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So you think we just start shooting over disagreements? Man that must be some fucked up news coverage in your country about our country.
As in most countries murders in the US are of generally three types. Crimes of passion like a husband and wife or other relatives, also neighbors get in disputes that rage on for months or years until someone decides to win the dispute. Crimes, like during a robbery or gang activity and of course the crazy people going nuts and killing people. A fourth would be serial killers which to tell you the truth no one knows that much about, like how many they kill, they don't all advertise their killings by leaving the dead in an easy place to be found, setup in a certain way to make a show out of it like in movies. People just go missing and no one ever sees them again.
We don't have that many religious killings so I didn't include those. You see all kinds of people on FJ saying horrible things about Jews and Muslims but they don't go around killing them and since Muslims are much smaller % of our population they don't go Jihad as often as in Europe.
School shootings are horrible but they are a drop in the bucket compared to the number of young people killed in Chicago every year.
A city by the way where they have strict gun laws but they don't actually enforce them even when they catch violators. Why? Maybe cause it would look like the cops were picking on black people with the enforcement of those laws. White people there tend to keep their guns, even if illegally owned, in their home and do not go driving around with them.
We used to keep our crazy people in nuthouses. The same political types who used the courts to get them out of nuthouses are the same ones in favor of taking our guns. They had more than 20 chances to stop the recent Florida school shooting but cops are lazy just like other people can be lazy. That kid was reported, after 9/11 we had see something say something driven into our heads and after other school shootings it was driven further but it does no good to report if the cops won't do anything.
Our guns are the only guarantee our constitution has, without an armed populace the left in this country would try to rule us like they were Stalin.
not disagreeing with you but you do realize that 2 of your 3 reasons people kill each other are literally people killing each other over disagreements contradicting your very first line
Yeah but family and neighbors take awhile to go off on each other. I was talking like strangers do not just meet up, disagree on politics or something else and begin firing.
Take away all the gun rights in the US isn't going to magically fix the problems. People are still going to kill each other. People that want guns will still get them. AT this point it would be far to hard to get ride of guns. As a gun owner myself I do think allowing just anyone to own a gun is a bad idea. There should be limitations.
Instead of getting ride of a single way we kill each other because it will just happen in other ways we should work on the reasons why we are killing each other. Guns are not the issues people are the issues. The focus should be on improving education and mental health in the us not guns. If anything trying to get ride of guns is just putting more of them on the streets. People are stalking up on guns and ammo even people that didn't own a gun before because everyone is worried about losing the right to own a gun.
I'm sorry I do agree with some of your points but making it harder for people to kill should not be seen as a bad thing.
Like, that's why we banned bombs. Why are guns getting a pass but bombs aren't?
Bombs are illegal yet people still blow shit up. Make guns illegal people are still going to get shot. People get stab all the time do you want to make knives illegal? Hell you can kill people with out a tool. Making it illegal to own a gun in the us is just going to get more people shot with illegal guns. That's going to open up a much larger illegal gun trade in the us.
Making guns illegal in other places might have work in the us however there is already far to many guns and far to many ways to get an illegal gun as it is. Getting ride of a way to kill someone will not stop the deaths here the people are what need to be fixed they are the ones that need the attention and recourse spent on them they need the help and getting ride of legal guns will not help them.
I hate that argument so much. Yes you can get killed with a knife but that's not the knife's
You can get hit with a car, but that's not the car's
. when you kill someone with it, you are misusing it.
Gun's are literally for 3 things:
1. Killing animals
2. Killing people
3. Threatening to kill animals/people.
When they kill people, those lunatics are literally using guns for their intended purpose for guns have no other uses.
Though I did see a guy on youtube cut down a tree with one. So that was pretty cool.
You got a point with that but that argument aside making guns illegal still isn't gonna help anything in the us. All it's gonna done is piss off a ton of gun lovers and potentially rise the amount of gun related deaths.
See you say that, but around the world (such as Australia or the UK) banning guns worked. So you really have no proof, only speculation.
Nevertheless, you wouldn't have to ban guns (which I agree would be monumentally difficult in the US) you would just have to make them harder to get. Restrict them, police them etc.
In what way would you say that things like the Australia method worked?
Decrease in murder? Australia actually saw an immediate increase in murder the year after their gun ban, and then it has been decreasing since then. But you know what's interesting about that decrease? America, without having such extreme gun control, has had an even greater decrease in murder rates in the same time period.
Decrease in violent crime? Sorry to say it, but Australia has actually seen a large increase in their rate of violent crime since their gun ban, while America has seen a significant decrease. Speaking of violent crime, isn't the UK known as the violent crime capital of Europe? At the very least, it has a much higher rate of violent crime than America.
As well, if banning guns works, then why is it that some of the places in America that are most well known for crime and murder (Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, DC, etc) also have so much gun control that they basically ban guns? On the same note, why is it that the 3 states in America with the absolute lowest rate of violent crime in the country also have some of the least gun control, and some of the most gun ownership?
"Gun's are literally for 3 things: 1. Killing animals 2. Killing people 3. Threatening to kill animals/people."
You forgot the purpose of "shooting at paper," which is their most common use. Hell, there was just an Olympic event that involved shooting, yet nobody was harmed.
Think of it this way: More than 99.99% of guns in America are never used to harm anyone. So if the vast majority don't actually kill or injure people, then does it make sense to say that their only use is for killing or injuring people? Are there any other tools out there that are almost always used for something other than their supposed only purpose?
"Like, that's why we banned bombs. Why are guns getting a pass but bombs aren't?"
There's actually a specific reason for that. Bombs are an indiscriminate weapon. When you set off a bomb, you don't know who's going to be injured. You can't effectively use a bomb for self-defense. Same applies for other explosives, and chemical/biological weapons.
A gun, on the other hand, is not an indiscriminate weapon. In order to use it, you have to directly point it at whatever you're using it against. You can't accidentally kill someone with a gun, other than through user error. If you want to shoot something, it requires that you point it at the target and pull the trigger. As well, studies have shown it to be the best self-defense tool out there, giving victims of crime a much higher chance of escaping a situation unharmed than any other method, including stalling, calling police, and fighting back with fists.
And of course, we can't forget the numbers for self-defense. The low estimate for the number of cases of defensive gun use (DGU) per year by the CDC is 500,000. Compare that to the around 11,000 gun-related homicides per year (which also includes justified homicide, police shootings, accidents, etc, as well as murders (of which around 80% of gun-related murders are from criminals who aren't allowed to own guns, and is usually gangs shooting gangs). That means that for every homicide with a gun, about 50 people used a gun to stop a crime.
The fact of the matter is that guns in America are almost always used for completely lawful purposes, and are often used for self-defense. I appreciate that you want to decrease violence, and I totally understand why. But gun restrictions aren't the way to do it. I would be concerned about anything that could possibly make it harder for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves.
First you say guns should be banned as you compared them to how bombs are banned. Now you say they don't have to be banned they should just be harder to get witch I already said. in my first post I said "As a gun owner myself I do think allowing just anyone to own a gun is a bad idea. There should be limitations." I may not have out right said guns should be harder to get but it's clearly implied.
So what is your argument here?
Also, banned guns in the UK and Australia might have worked but banning them in the US would only piss tons of people off and massively increase the amount of illegal guns and It's already almost as easy to buy an illegal gun as a legal on over here. The gun culture is far to different over here it would never work because it would be impossible to do. Do you even realize how many guns are in this country? Just counting legal guns there is almost as many guns as people. You add in the unknown amount of illegal guns and you would never get ride of guns in the US.
Wow. You're making it sound like you have a terribly violent culture over there. Sorry mate :/
Also, I mentioned in my first post that I would only be after making the harder to get - sorry if that didn't come across properly.
And lastly is it really that easy to get illegal guns? Like, do you, as an average citizen know a guy who sells them?
I wouldn't say it's really all violent but people like there guns more than they should. You can have perfectly reasonable citizen that will flip shit as soon as you start talking about gun rights.
I can't say what it's like in more rural areas but I live in a decent city we don't really have gang issues here like other places or drivebys crazy shit like that but I know more than one person that I could buy and illegal gun from. They are just collectors but still they still selling illegal guns with out permanents to sell guns, no background checks, no serial numbers on them. I could get anything form a 9mm handgun that would be legal to buy from a proper gun seller to a mac10 or an ak in less than an hour if I had the money to buy them.
why do bombings still kill more people than shootings, aren't they illegal?
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