The theater on the mainland Asia was UTTERLY pointless, because the could do nothing to avert the fall of Japan, since they had no way to get there, if we ignore the obvious logistical problems. As for Huge garrison force on their mainland, I have already told you that japan was on the brink of famine because their seas were cut off, and good deal of their cities destroyed. They were far from being combat-ready.

Also, I would like to hear what kind of ¨new and improved¨ equipment could they had developed in a country completely cut off from the rest of the world, on the brink of famine, and with shortage of materials, not to mention being completely cut off oil.

¨not to mention, supply ships could stll make it through¨

Nope. Naval vessels of the kind of size required to support a whole army would be quickly noticed and sunk by the US blockades.

I mean, that was the entire point of those blockades.

¨The entire civilian population was obligated to defend japan, alongside the Army.¨

You can have a billions of conscripts and it still wont mean shit if you cant feed them, clothe them and equip them well enough to combat the likes of US military.

Yeah good luck swimming from central Asia back to Japan on top of a horse. The point was that: 1. they had no logistical support from the Japanese islands while being at the arm´s length away from Chinese, and 2. they did not have any way to get back to Japan in the case of invasion, due to the obliteration of Japanese navy, and naval blockade from US, thus making them irrelevant when discussing the the warranty of usage of nuclear weapons.

The theater on the mainland Asia was UTTERLY pointless, because the could do nothing to avert the fall of Japan, since they had no way to get there, if we ignore the obvious logistical problems. As for Huge garrison force on their mainland, I have already told you that japan was on the brink of famine because their seas were cut off, and good deal of their cities destroyed. They were far from being combat-ready.

Also, I would like to hear what kind of ¨new and improved¨ equipment could they had developed in a country completely cut off from the rest of the world, on the brink of famine, and with shortage of materials, not to mention being completely cut off oil.

¨not to mention, supply ships could stll make it through¨

Nope. Naval vessels of the kind of size required to support a whole army would be quickly noticed and sunk by the US blockades.

I mean, that was the entire point of those blockades.

¨The entire civilian population was obligated to defend japan, alongside the Army.¨

You can have a billions of conscripts and it still wont mean shit if you cant feed them, clothe them and equip them well enough to combat the likes of US military.

Even if food was abundant in central Asia, They would have no way of transporting it around due to the shortage of fuel, which means that the fact they were stationed in central asia only serves to add to their disadvantageous situation.

Also, an army relies not only on food, but also on fuel, ammunition, surplus equipment (clothing, weapon and vehicle parts) and so on. Even ignoring the famine, how are you going to transport that back and forth without fuel? And besides, now that I think about it, the whole point about Japanese army stationed on mainland is moot either way, because with their navy destroyed and seas blockaded, there was no way for them to get back to japan anyways.

Yeah good luck swimming from central Asia back to Japan on top of a horse. The point was that: 1. they had no logistical support from the Japanese islands while being at the arm´s length away from Chinese, and 2. they did not have any way to get back to Japan in the case of invasion, due to the obliteration of Japanese navy, and naval blockade from US, thus making them irrelevant when discussing the the warranty of usage of nuclear weapons.

The theater on the mainland Asia was UTTERLY pointless, because the could do nothing to avert the fall of Japan, since they had no way to get there, if we ignore the obvious logistical problems. As for Huge garrison force on their mainland, I have already told you that japan was on the brink of famine because their seas were cut off, and good deal of their cities destroyed. They were far from being combat-ready.

Also, I would like to hear what kind of ¨new and improved¨ equipment could they had developed in a country completely cut off from the rest of the world, on the brink of famine, and with shortage of materials, not to mention being completely cut off oil.

¨not to mention, supply ships could stll make it through¨

Nope. Naval vessels of the kind of size required to support a whole army would be quickly noticed and sunk by the US blockades.

I mean, that was the entire point of those blockades.

¨The entire civilian population was obligated to defend japan, alongside the Army.¨

You can have a billions of conscripts and it still wont mean shit if you cant feed them, clothe them and equip them well enough to combat the likes of US military.

¨Maybe the japanese didnt surrender because their land army was still fully intact?¨

Hello! Even civilians were subject to sub starvation rationing, how the hell do you think they would feed their army?

´The battle of the reichstag also wasnt the last battle in, or around Berlin¨

It was the last battle that mattered, as the government and the core of Germany was conquered and captured. Marking the fall of the third Reich and the end of war in Europe.

And seriously you calling other people stupid does not sound very convincing, especially when I take a look at your grammar.

Also, in your latest reply, you did not offer any argument at all to what I have said about the shortage of resources that Japanese military suffered. Only responding that their land army was fully intact, which is moot, because Japanese were neither economically nor logistically capable of up-keeping their land army, due to the shortages of food and equipment.

Even if food was abundant in central Asia, They would have no way of transporting it around due to the shortage of fuel, which means that the fact they were stationed in central asia only serves to add to their disadvantageous situation.

Also, an army relies not only on food, but also on fuel, ammunition, surplus equipment (clothing, weapon and vehicle parts) and so on. Even ignoring the famine, how are you going to transport that back and forth without fuel? And besides, now that I think about it, the whole point about Japanese army stationed on mainland is moot either way, because with their navy destroyed and seas blockaded, there was no way for them to get back to japan anyways.

Yeah good luck swimming from central Asia back to Japan on top of a horse. The point was that: 1. they had no logistical support from the Japanese islands while being at the arm´s length away from Chinese, and 2. they did not have any way to get back to Japan in the case of invasion, due to the obliteration of Japanese navy, and naval blockade from US, thus making them irrelevant when discussing the the warranty of usage of nuclear weapons.

The theater on the mainland Asia was UTTERLY pointless, because the could do nothing to avert the fall of Japan, since they had no way to get there, if we ignore the obvious logistical problems. As for Huge garrison force on their mainland, I have already told you that japan was on the brink of famine because their seas were cut off, and good deal of their cities destroyed. They were far from being combat-ready.

Also, I would like to hear what kind of ¨new and improved¨ equipment could they had developed in a country completely cut off from the rest of the world, on the brink of famine, and with shortage of materials, not to mention being completely cut off oil.

¨not to mention, supply ships could stll make it through¨

Nope. Naval vessels of the kind of size required to support a whole army would be quickly noticed and sunk by the US blockades.

I mean, that was the entire point of those blockades.

¨The entire civilian population was obligated to defend japan, alongside the Army.¨

You can have a billions of conscripts and it still wont mean shit if you cant feed them, clothe them and equip them well enough to combat the likes of US military.

(Your quote from comment #199) ¨Dude, Japan refused multiple surrender offers, and Germans accepted the surrender as soon as hitler died.¨

(My quote from comment #216) ¨No, German troops continued to fight on until soviets have took Reichstag.¨

(Your quote from comment #227) Lol so you rip some wikipedia quotes off the web in an effort to deter me? i even took my time to read them, they raised a victory banner, doesnt mean the germans shit their pants and instantly threw down their arms you twat.

You are fuckin with me, aren't you?

There is just no way there is anyone as retarded as you. You said, that Germans surrendered as soon as Hitler committed suicide, to whcij I replied, that it was false, and that they only surrendered AFTER Reichstag was conquered, to which you replied that the fact I posted a Wikipedia article proving I was right ¨doesn't mean the germans shit their pants and instantly threw down their arms you twat.¨ Which is practically WHAT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME.

¨ive studied WW2 for fun since i was a small boy¨

When did you start? Yesterday?

And I will repeat this again, (And I will just copy and paste this crap, because busting my fingers on the propaganda filled toilet bowl that you have for a head is just not worth it)

¨I ask of you again, how the hell do you think that a nation, with army, that is completely decimated, with no fuel to power their vehicles and no navy to speak of, on the brink of famine, with most of their cities destroyed, would have kept fighting? That is just completely impossible. Japanese knew themselves that they would return to stone age unless they surrendered EVEN WITHOUT HAVING NUKES DROPPED ON THEM!!!

Besides, US government intercepted transmissions between Japanese and soviets, where Japanese government asked soviets to be their middlemen during the peace talk negotiations.¨

¨Maybe the japanese didnt surrender because their land army was still fully intact?¨

Hello! Even civilians were subject to sub starvation rationing, how the hell do you think they would feed their army?

´The battle of the reichstag also wasnt the last battle in, or around Berlin¨

It was the last battle that mattered, as the government and the core of Germany was conquered and captured. Marking the fall of the third Reich and the end of war in Europe.

And seriously you calling other people stupid does not sound very convincing, especially when I take a look at your grammar.

Also, in your latest reply, you did not offer any argument at all to what I have said about the shortage of resources that Japanese military suffered. Only responding that their land army was fully intact, which is moot, because Japanese were neither economically nor logistically capable of up-keeping their land army, due to the shortages of food and equipment.

Even if food was abundant in central Asia, They would have no way of transporting it around due to the shortage of fuel, which means that the fact they were stationed in central asia only serves to add to their disadvantageous situation.

Also, an army relies not only on food, but also on fuel, ammunition, surplus equipment (clothing, weapon and vehicle parts) and so on. Even ignoring the famine, how are you going to transport that back and forth without fuel? And besides, now that I think about it, the whole point about Japanese army stationed on mainland is moot either way, because with their navy destroyed and seas blockaded, there was no way for them to get back to japan anyways.

Yeah good luck swimming from central Asia back to Japan on top of a horse. The point was that: 1. they had no logistical support from the Japanese islands while being at the arm´s length away from Chinese, and 2. they did not have any way to get back to Japan in the case of invasion, due to the obliteration of Japanese navy, and naval blockade from US, thus making them irrelevant when discussing the the warranty of usage of nuclear weapons.

The theater on the mainland Asia was UTTERLY pointless, because the could do nothing to avert the fall of Japan, since they had no way to get there, if we ignore the obvious logistical problems. As for Huge garrison force on their mainland, I have already told you that japan was on the brink of famine because their seas were cut off, and good deal of their cities destroyed. They were far from being combat-ready.

Also, I would like to hear what kind of ¨new and improved¨ equipment could they had developed in a country completely cut off from the rest of the world, on the brink of famine, and with shortage of materials, not to mention being completely cut off oil.

¨not to mention, supply ships could stll make it through¨

Nope. Naval vessels of the kind of size required to support a whole army would be quickly noticed and sunk by the US blockades.

I mean, that was the entire point of those blockades.

¨The entire civilian population was obligated to defend japan, alongside the Army.¨

You can have a billions of conscripts and it still wont mean shit if you cant feed them, clothe them and equip them well enough to combat the likes of US military.

I ask of you again, how the hell do you think that a nation, with army, that is completely decimated, with no fuel to power their vehicles and no navy to speak of, on the brink of famine, with most of their cities destroyed, would have kept fighting? That is just completely impossible. Japanese knew themselves that they would return to stone age unless they surrendered EVEN WITHOUT HAVING NUKES DROPPED ON THEM!!!

. Besides, US government intercepted transmissions between Japanese and soviets, where Japanese government asked soviets to be their middlemen during the peace talk negotiations.

Also, about Reichstag:

In the early hours of 29 April the Soviet 3rd Shock Army crossed the Moltke bridge and started to fan out into the surrounding streets and buildings.[82] The initial assaults on buildings, including the Ministry of the Interior, were hampered by the lack of supporting artillery. It was not until the damaged bridges were repaired that artillery could be moved up in support.[83] At 04:00 hours, in the Führerbunker, Hitler signed his last will and testament and, shortly afterwards, married Eva Braun.[84] At dawn the Soviets pressed on with their assault in the south-east. After very heavy fighting they managed to capture Gestapo headquarters on Prinz-Albrechtstrasse, but a Waffen-SS counter-attack forced the Soviets to withdraw from the building.[85] To the south-west the 8th Guards Army attacked north across the Landwehr canal into the Tiergarten.[86]

By the next day, 30 April, the Soviets had solved their bridging problems and with artillery support at 06:00 they launched an attack on the Reichstag, but because of German entrenchments and support from 12.8 cm guns 2 km (1.2 mi) away on the roof of the Zoo flak tower, in Berlin Zoo, it was not until that evening that the Soviets were able to enter the building.[87] The Reichstag had not been in use since when it burned in February 1933 and its interior resembled a rubble heap more than a government building. The German troops inside made excellent use of this and were heavily entrenched.[88] Fierce room-to-room fighting ensued. At that point there was still a large contingent of German soldiers in the basement who launched counter-attacks against the Red Army.[88] Finally, on 2 May 1945 the Red Army controlled the building entirely.[89] The famous photo of the two soldiers planting the flag on the roof of the building is a re-enactment photo taken the day after the building was taken.[90] However, to the Soviets the event as represented by the photo became symbolic of their victory demonstrating that the Battle of Berlin, as well as the Eastern Front hostilities as whole, ended with the total Soviet victory.[91] As the 756th Regiment's commander Zinchenko had stated in his order to Battalion Commander Neustroev "...the Supreme High Command...and the entire Soviet People order you to erect the victory banner on the roof above Berlin".[88]

Quote from wikipedia

Here you fucking ignorant cunt, it pisses me off I need to post it because your government does shitty job at educating you about anything outside America.

(Your quote from comment #199) ¨Dude, Japan refused multiple surrender offers, and Germans accepted the surrender as soon as hitler died.¨

(My quote from comment #216) ¨No, German troops continued to fight on until soviets have took Reichstag.¨

(Your quote from comment #227) Lol so you rip some wikipedia quotes off the web in an effort to deter me? i even took my time to read them, they raised a victory banner, doesnt mean the germans shit their pants and instantly threw down their arms you twat.

You are fuckin with me, aren't you?

There is just no way there is anyone as retarded as you. You said, that Germans surrendered as soon as Hitler committed suicide, to whcij I replied, that it was false, and that they only surrendered AFTER Reichstag was conquered, to which you replied that the fact I posted a Wikipedia article proving I was right ¨doesn't mean the germans shit their pants and instantly threw down their arms you twat.¨ Which is practically WHAT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME.

¨ive studied WW2 for fun since i was a small boy¨

When did you start? Yesterday?

And I will repeat this again, (And I will just copy and paste this crap, because busting my fingers on the propaganda filled toilet bowl that you have for a head is just not worth it)

¨I ask of you again, how the hell do you think that a nation, with army, that is completely decimated, with no fuel to power their vehicles and no navy to speak of, on the brink of famine, with most of their cities destroyed, would have kept fighting? That is just completely impossible. Japanese knew themselves that they would return to stone age unless they surrendered EVEN WITHOUT HAVING NUKES DROPPED ON THEM!!!

Besides, US government intercepted transmissions between Japanese and soviets, where Japanese government asked soviets to be their middlemen during the peace talk negotiations.¨

¨Maybe the japanese didnt surrender because their land army was still fully intact?¨

Hello! Even civilians were subject to sub starvation rationing, how the hell do you think they would feed their army?

´The battle of the reichstag also wasnt the last battle in, or around Berlin¨

It was the last battle that mattered, as the government and the core of Germany was conquered and captured. Marking the fall of the third Reich and the end of war in Europe.

And seriously you calling other people stupid does not sound very convincing, especially when I take a look at your grammar.

Also, in your latest reply, you did not offer any argument at all to what I have said about the shortage of resources that Japanese military suffered. Only responding that their land army was fully intact, which is moot, because Japanese were neither economically nor logistically capable of up-keeping their land army, due to the shortages of food and equipment.

Even if food was abundant in central Asia, They would have no way of transporting it around due to the shortage of fuel, which means that the fact they were stationed in central asia only serves to add to their disadvantageous situation.

Also, an army relies not only on food, but also on fuel, ammunition, surplus equipment (clothing, weapon and vehicle parts) and so on. Even ignoring the famine, how are you going to transport that back and forth without fuel? And besides, now that I think about it, the whole point about Japanese army stationed on mainland is moot either way, because with their navy destroyed and seas blockaded, there was no way for them to get back to japan anyways.

Yeah good luck swimming from central Asia back to Japan on top of a horse. The point was that: 1. they had no logistical support from the Japanese islands while being at the arm´s length away from Chinese, and 2. they did not have any way to get back to Japan in the case of invasion, due to the obliteration of Japanese navy, and naval blockade from US, thus making them irrelevant when discussing the the warranty of usage of nuclear weapons.

The theater on the mainland Asia was UTTERLY pointless, because the could do nothing to avert the fall of Japan, since they had no way to get there, if we ignore the obvious logistical problems. As for Huge garrison force on their mainland, I have already told you that japan was on the brink of famine because their seas were cut off, and good deal of their cities destroyed. They were far from being combat-ready.

Also, I would like to hear what kind of ¨new and improved¨ equipment could they had developed in a country completely cut off from the rest of the world, on the brink of famine, and with shortage of materials, not to mention being completely cut off oil.

¨not to mention, supply ships could stll make it through¨

Nope. Naval vessels of the kind of size required to support a whole army would be quickly noticed and sunk by the US blockades.

I mean, that was the entire point of those blockades.

¨The entire civilian population was obligated to defend japan, alongside the Army.¨

You can have a billions of conscripts and it still wont mean shit if you cant feed them, clothe them and equip them well enough to combat the likes of US military.

No, German troops continued to fight on until soviets have took Reichstag. I mean did you even try to read up on what happened back then? Jesus Christ world is bigger than just America, you know?

Also the whole argument is not about the fact that US ended the war but in what manner. They inhumanely murdered over 200 thousands of civilians of a country that was about to surrender. When a military of a certain country commits atrocities, you punish their officials, not civilians that mostly have nothing to do with that.

¨An invasion would of probably killed a majority of the Japanese in their homeland.¨

Do you honestly think that Japanese citizenry would STAND for that? considering the state of their military and their economy?

I ask of you again, how the hell do you think that a nation, with army, that is completely decimated, with no fuel to power their vehicles and no navy to speak of, on the brink of famine, with most of their cities destroyed, would have kept fighting? That is just completely impossible. Japanese knew themselves that they would return to stone age unless they surrendered EVEN WITHOUT HAVING NUKES DROPPED ON THEM!!!

. Besides, US government intercepted transmissions between Japanese and soviets, where Japanese government asked soviets to be their middlemen during the peace talk negotiations.

Also, about Reichstag:

In the early hours of 29 April the Soviet 3rd Shock Army crossed the Moltke bridge and started to fan out into the surrounding streets and buildings.[82] The initial assaults on buildings, including the Ministry of the Interior, were hampered by the lack of supporting artillery. It was not until the damaged bridges were repaired that artillery could be moved up in support.[83] At 04:00 hours, in the Führerbunker, Hitler signed his last will and testament and, shortly afterwards, married Eva Braun.[84] At dawn the Soviets pressed on with their assault in the south-east. After very heavy fighting they managed to capture Gestapo headquarters on Prinz-Albrechtstrasse, but a Waffen-SS counter-attack forced the Soviets to withdraw from the building.[85] To the south-west the 8th Guards Army attacked north across the Landwehr canal into the Tiergarten.[86]

By the next day, 30 April, the Soviets had solved their bridging problems and with artillery support at 06:00 they launched an attack on the Reichstag, but because of German entrenchments and support from 12.8 cm guns 2 km (1.2 mi) away on the roof of the Zoo flak tower, in Berlin Zoo, it was not until that evening that the Soviets were able to enter the building.[87] The Reichstag had not been in use since when it burned in February 1933 and its interior resembled a rubble heap more than a government building. The German troops inside made excellent use of this and were heavily entrenched.[88] Fierce room-to-room fighting ensued. At that point there was still a large contingent of German soldiers in the basement who launched counter-attacks against the Red Army.[88] Finally, on 2 May 1945 the Red Army controlled the building entirely.[89] The famous photo of the two soldiers planting the flag on the roof of the building is a re-enactment photo taken the day after the building was taken.[90] However, to the Soviets the event as represented by the photo became symbolic of their victory demonstrating that the Battle of Berlin, as well as the Eastern Front hostilities as whole, ended with the total Soviet victory.[91] As the 756th Regiment's commander Zinchenko had stated in his order to Battalion Commander Neustroev "...the Supreme High Command...and the entire Soviet People order you to erect the victory banner on the roof above Berlin".[88]

Quote from wikipedia

Here you fucking ignorant cunt, it pisses me off I need to post it because your government does shitty job at educating you about anything outside America.

(Your quote from comment #199) ¨Dude, Japan refused multiple surrender offers, and Germans accepted the surrender as soon as hitler died.¨

(My quote from comment #216) ¨No, German troops continued to fight on until soviets have took Reichstag.¨

(Your quote from comment #227) Lol so you rip some wikipedia quotes off the web in an effort to deter me? i even took my time to read them, they raised a victory banner, doesnt mean the germans shit their pants and instantly threw down their arms you twat.

You are fuckin with me, aren't you?

There is just no way there is anyone as retarded as you. You said, that Germans surrendered as soon as Hitler committed suicide, to whcij I replied, that it was false, and that they only surrendered AFTER Reichstag was conquered, to which you replied that the fact I posted a Wikipedia article proving I was right ¨doesn't mean the germans shit their pants and instantly threw down their arms you twat.¨ Which is practically WHAT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME.

¨ive studied WW2 for fun since i was a small boy¨

When did you start? Yesterday?

And I will repeat this again, (And I will just copy and paste this crap, because busting my fingers on the propaganda filled toilet bowl that you have for a head is just not worth it)

¨I ask of you again, how the hell do you think that a nation, with army, that is completely decimated, with no fuel to power their vehicles and no navy to speak of, on the brink of famine, with most of their cities destroyed, would have kept fighting? That is just completely impossible. Japanese knew themselves that they would return to stone age unless they surrendered EVEN WITHOUT HAVING NUKES DROPPED ON THEM!!!

Besides, US government intercepted transmissions between Japanese and soviets, where Japanese government asked soviets to be their middlemen during the peace talk negotiations.¨

¨Maybe the japanese didnt surrender because their land army was still fully intact?¨

Hello! Even civilians were subject to sub starvation rationing, how the hell do you think they would feed their army?

´The battle of the reichstag also wasnt the last battle in, or around Berlin¨

It was the last battle that mattered, as the government and the core of Germany was conquered and captured. Marking the fall of the third Reich and the end of war in Europe.

And seriously you calling other people stupid does not sound very convincing, especially when I take a look at your grammar.

Also, in your latest reply, you did not offer any argument at all to what I have said about the shortage of resources that Japanese military suffered. Only responding that their land army was fully intact, which is moot, because Japanese were neither economically nor logistically capable of up-keeping their land army, due to the shortages of food and equipment.

Even if food was abundant in central Asia, They would have no way of transporting it around due to the shortage of fuel, which means that the fact they were stationed in central asia only serves to add to their disadvantageous situation.

Also, an army relies not only on food, but also on fuel, ammunition, surplus equipment (clothing, weapon and vehicle parts) and so on. Even ignoring the famine, how are you going to transport that back and forth without fuel? And besides, now that I think about it, the whole point about Japanese army stationed on mainland is moot either way, because with their navy destroyed and seas blockaded, there was no way for them to get back to japan anyways.

Yeah good luck swimming from central Asia back to Japan on top of a horse. The point was that: 1. they had no logistical support from the Japanese islands while being at the arm´s length away from Chinese, and 2. they did not have any way to get back to Japan in the case of invasion, due to the obliteration of Japanese navy, and naval blockade from US, thus making them irrelevant when discussing the the warranty of usage of nuclear weapons.

The theater on the mainland Asia was UTTERLY pointless, because the could do nothing to avert the fall of Japan, since they had no way to get there, if we ignore the obvious logistical problems. As for Huge garrison force on their mainland, I have already told you that japan was on the brink of famine because their seas were cut off, and good deal of their cities destroyed. They were far from being combat-ready.

Also, I would like to hear what kind of ¨new and improved¨ equipment could they had developed in a country completely cut off from the rest of the world, on the brink of famine, and with shortage of materials, not to mention being completely cut off oil.

¨not to mention, supply ships could stll make it through¨

Nope. Naval vessels of the kind of size required to support a whole army would be quickly noticed and sunk by the US blockades.

I mean, that was the entire point of those blockades.

¨The entire civilian population was obligated to defend japan, alongside the Army.¨

You can have a billions of conscripts and it still wont mean shit if you cant feed them, clothe them and equip them well enough to combat the likes of US military.

Their military was fucked up even before they dropped the nukes. And the problem is not that the civilians ended dying by their hand, no, the problem is that they had used a weapon of mass destruction in two densely populated cities, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS NOT NECESSARY killing at least two hundred thousands of civilians immediately, and several times more than over time due to the effects of radiation.

But Germans did not accept the terms of surrendering, not did they try to negotiate in any for or way,

German civilians died because the German military kept fighting even though Berlin was already defeated, with no signs of surrender either. If they were trying to negotiate terms to surrender, and soviets launched a fucking nuke at Berlin, I would have criticized them all the same.

Also, while yes, Japanese military committed horrible atrocities, only the MILITARY should have been held responsible for those things, not their CIVILIANS, you get it?

No, German troops continued to fight on until soviets have took Reichstag. I mean did you even try to read up on what happened back then? Jesus Christ world is bigger than just America, you know?

Also the whole argument is not about the fact that US ended the war but in what manner. They inhumanely murdered over 200 thousands of civilians of a country that was about to surrender. When a military of a certain country commits atrocities, you punish their officials, not civilians that mostly have nothing to do with that.

¨An invasion would of probably killed a majority of the Japanese in their homeland.¨

Do you honestly think that Japanese citizenry would STAND for that? considering the state of their military and their economy?

I ask of you again, how the hell do you think that a nation, with army, that is completely decimated, with no fuel to power their vehicles and no navy to speak of, on the brink of famine, with most of their cities destroyed, would have kept fighting? That is just completely impossible. Japanese knew themselves that they would return to stone age unless they surrendered EVEN WITHOUT HAVING NUKES DROPPED ON THEM!!!

. Besides, US government intercepted transmissions between Japanese and soviets, where Japanese government asked soviets to be their middlemen during the peace talk negotiations.

Also, about Reichstag:

In the early hours of 29 April the Soviet 3rd Shock Army crossed the Moltke bridge and started to fan out into the surrounding streets and buildings.[82] The initial assaults on buildings, including the Ministry of the Interior, were hampered by the lack of supporting artillery. It was not until the damaged bridges were repaired that artillery could be moved up in support.[83] At 04:00 hours, in the Führerbunker, Hitler signed his last will and testament and, shortly afterwards, married Eva Braun.[84] At dawn the Soviets pressed on with their assault in the south-east. After very heavy fighting they managed to capture Gestapo headquarters on Prinz-Albrechtstrasse, but a Waffen-SS counter-attack forced the Soviets to withdraw from the building.[85] To the south-west the 8th Guards Army attacked north across the Landwehr canal into the Tiergarten.[86]

By the next day, 30 April, the Soviets had solved their bridging problems and with artillery support at 06:00 they launched an attack on the Reichstag, but because of German entrenchments and support from 12.8 cm guns 2 km (1.2 mi) away on the roof of the Zoo flak tower, in Berlin Zoo, it was not until that evening that the Soviets were able to enter the building.[87] The Reichstag had not been in use since when it burned in February 1933 and its interior resembled a rubble heap more than a government building. The German troops inside made excellent use of this and were heavily entrenched.[88] Fierce room-to-room fighting ensued. At that point there was still a large contingent of German soldiers in the basement who launched counter-attacks against the Red Army.[88] Finally, on 2 May 1945 the Red Army controlled the building entirely.[89] The famous photo of the two soldiers planting the flag on the roof of the building is a re-enactment photo taken the day after the building was taken.[90] However, to the Soviets the event as represented by the photo became symbolic of their victory demonstrating that the Battle of Berlin, as well as the Eastern Front hostilities as whole, ended with the total Soviet victory.[91] As the 756th Regiment's commander Zinchenko had stated in his order to Battalion Commander Neustroev "...the Supreme High Command...and the entire Soviet People order you to erect the victory banner on the roof above Berlin".[88]

Quote from wikipedia

Here you fucking ignorant cunt, it pisses me off I need to post it because your government does shitty job at educating you about anything outside America.

(Your quote from comment #199) ¨Dude, Japan refused multiple surrender offers, and Germans accepted the surrender as soon as hitler died.¨

(My quote from comment #216) ¨No, German troops continued to fight on until soviets have took Reichstag.¨

(Your quote from comment #227) Lol so you rip some wikipedia quotes off the web in an effort to deter me? i even took my time to read them, they raised a victory banner, doesnt mean the germans shit their pants and instantly threw down their arms you twat.

You are fuckin with me, aren't you?

There is just no way there is anyone as retarded as you. You said, that Germans surrendered as soon as Hitler committed suicide, to whcij I replied, that it was false, and that they only surrendered AFTER Reichstag was conquered, to which you replied that the fact I posted a Wikipedia article proving I was right ¨doesn't mean the germans shit their pants and instantly threw down their arms you twat.¨ Which is practically WHAT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME.

¨ive studied WW2 for fun since i was a small boy¨

When did you start? Yesterday?

And I will repeat this again, (And I will just copy and paste this crap, because busting my fingers on the propaganda filled toilet bowl that you have for a head is just not worth it)

¨I ask of you again, how the hell do you think that a nation, with army, that is completely decimated, with no fuel to power their vehicles and no navy to speak of, on the brink of famine, with most of their cities destroyed, would have kept fighting? That is just completely impossible. Japanese knew themselves that they would return to stone age unless they surrendered EVEN WITHOUT HAVING NUKES DROPPED ON THEM!!!

Besides, US government intercepted transmissions between Japanese and soviets, where Japanese government asked soviets to be their middlemen during the peace talk negotiations.¨

¨Maybe the japanese didnt surrender because their land army was still fully intact?¨

Hello! Even civilians were subject to sub starvation rationing, how the hell do you think they would feed their army?

´The battle of the reichstag also wasnt the last battle in, or around Berlin¨

It was the last battle that mattered, as the government and the core of Germany was conquered and captured. Marking the fall of the third Reich and the end of war in Europe.

And seriously you calling other people stupid does not sound very convincing, especially when I take a look at your grammar.

Also, in your latest reply, you did not offer any argument at all to what I have said about the shortage of resources that Japanese military suffered. Only responding that their land army was fully intact, which is moot, because Japanese were neither economically nor logistically capable of up-keeping their land army, due to the shortages of food and equipment.

Even if food was abundant in central Asia, They would have no way of transporting it around due to the shortage of fuel, which means that the fact they were stationed in central asia only serves to add to their disadvantageous situation.

Also, an army relies not only on food, but also on fuel, ammunition, surplus equipment (clothing, weapon and vehicle parts) and so on. Even ignoring the famine, how are you going to transport that back and forth without fuel? And besides, now that I think about it, the whole point about Japanese army stationed on mainland is moot either way, because with their navy destroyed and seas blockaded, there was no way for them to get back to japan anyways.

Yeah good luck swimming from central Asia back to Japan on top of a horse. The point was that: 1. they had no logistical support from the Japanese islands while being at the arm´s length away from Chinese, and 2. they did not have any way to get back to Japan in the case of invasion, due to the obliteration of Japanese navy, and naval blockade from US, thus making them irrelevant when discussing the the warranty of usage of nuclear weapons.

The theater on the mainland Asia was UTTERLY pointless, because the could do nothing to avert the fall of Japan, since they had no way to get there, if we ignore the obvious logistical problems. As for Huge garrison force on their mainland, I have already told you that japan was on the brink of famine because their seas were cut off, and good deal of their cities destroyed. They were far from being combat-ready.

Also, I would like to hear what kind of ¨new and improved¨ equipment could they had developed in a country completely cut off from the rest of the world, on the brink of famine, and with shortage of materials, not to mention being completely cut off oil.

¨not to mention, supply ships could stll make it through¨

Nope. Naval vessels of the kind of size required to support a whole army would be quickly noticed and sunk by the US blockades.

I mean, that was the entire point of those blockades.

¨The entire civilian population was obligated to defend japan, alongside the Army.¨

You can have a billions of conscripts and it still wont mean shit if you cant feed them, clothe them and equip them well enough to combat the likes of US military.