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| #99 - well you obviously dont know anything about starwars cause the… [+] (1 new reply) | 01/09/2016 on Need more lightsabers | 0 |
 I know there are lightsaber resistant materials. Don't assume I don't. You obviously don't know a lot about it if you think every lightsaber is made of the stuff. It's a very rare material. There is Mandalorian Steel, but that doesn't do a whole lot. Cortosis is the most effective lightsaber resistant material yes, but it is also an incredibly rare material. Not something people casually make a saber out of. Your counter argument is basically "well it'll be made out of strong material". The thing is that is then creating a biased fight. You're essentially just trying to stack the odds in your favor. I mean, if you get to throw in an extra variable then I'll toss in one too. The swordsman will have Cortosis armor and another lightsaber. This is a hypothetical fight between two average people. The average lightsaber isn't made out of lightsaber resistant materials. Look at Darth Maul's. That thing was cut in half. Anakins first lightsaber was also cut by a basic industrial blade. Most lightsabers are not heavily reinforced. It would be fairly pointless. It would be far easier and cheaper to just replace your lightsaber. Most lightsaber users don't come across someone who can effectively cut a lightsaber handle so they don't see the point in reinforcing them. | ||
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| #88 - why dont you go look up some videos of spear vs sword fights y… [+] (3 new replies) | 01/09/2016 on Need more lightsabers | -1 |
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wertologist (01/09/2016) [-]  Do you not realize a lightsaber could very easily chop that blade off? If you try to keep the hilt out of range of the lightsaber you are leaving yourself very open. "why the hell would I give my opponent an opening!?" Nobody intentionally gives an opening. It just happens. "making a spear into a lightsaber spear would bascially make it even better than before " A lightsaber will make the wapon better for obvious reasons of being able to cut in any way and through most materials, but if you come across a lightsaber the spear is a horrible weapon. Land a blow on the handle and your spear is fucked. Look at this picture for a clearer example. Yes you have greater reach with the spear, but your opponent doesn't need to try to hit you. All they have to do is hit the completely unguarded hilt. In the old days this wasn't a problem with the weapon because a sword wasn't likely to lob the blade clean off, but with lightsabers simply touching the hilt will with the saber will render the spear a useless stick. All lightsabers share that problem, but with a spear lightsaber you are shoving the hilt in your opponent's direction for an easy hit. Real spear like weapons(not lightsaber) didn't have the threat of the blade being lobbed off. Unless you got a good hard swing at the pole, you were not likely to cleave it off. The pole could be used as part of the weapon. If the enemy managed to get by for a swing you could at least attempt to swing the other side of the pole to try to block, but that doesn't work when it's a lightsaber. The lightsaber will cut clean through it like wet paper. Yes, the spear will give you good reach, but the hilt is very vulnerable. With a sword saber you can at least move the hilt out of the way and still defend with the blade. With a double bladed lightsaber you can swing the hilt out of the way and counter with a swing of the other side as you swing it back. With the spear, if you pull it out of the way you are also pulling your only offensive tool away and leaving yourself open for them to get close. When they get close you have no defense. That is why a lightsaber spear is very ineffective. The very vulnerable hilt and the the fact you are defenseless if they get by the blade. In a lightsaber duel, you have to only use the blades. The handle is not part usefull. You can't use a lightsaber spear the same way you would use a regular spear. A regular spear shaft is at least somewhat usable to block a blade swipe. A lightsaber spear's shaft cannot stop a blade so your only offensive and defensive abilities is the smaller blade. Even if you are very skilled with the weapon, you can only rely on the blade part. The shaft cannot be used to block at all. If you try to block with the shaft, then you lose your lightsaber. All they have to do is land a single blow on any part of the upper shaft past your hands and your entire weapon is fucked. Yes the sword can't reach you while you keep your distance, but all they would have to do is hit the very vulnerable shaft. Do you see the flaws in the weapon now? #99 -
dukeexeter (01/09/2016) [-] well you obviously dont know anything about starwars cause there are materials that resist lightsaber blades The Qinata (a lightsaber spear basically) had a handle wrappped entirely of Cortosis-fiber. If you struck this with another lightsaber it would short out the lightsaber. So it would be a huge advantage for the lightsaber spear user. I know there are lightsaber resistant materials. Don't assume I don't. You obviously don't know a lot about it if you think every lightsaber is made of the stuff. It's a very rare material. There is Mandalorian Steel, but that doesn't do a whole lot. Cortosis is the most effective lightsaber resistant material yes, but it is also an incredibly rare material. Not something people casually make a saber out of. Your counter argument is basically "well it'll be made out of strong material". The thing is that is then creating a biased fight. You're essentially just trying to stack the odds in your favor. I mean, if you get to throw in an extra variable then I'll toss in one too. The swordsman will have Cortosis armor and another lightsaber. This is a hypothetical fight between two average people. The average lightsaber isn't made out of lightsaber resistant materials. Look at Darth Maul's. That thing was cut in half. Anakins first lightsaber was also cut by a basic industrial blade. Most lightsabers are not heavily reinforced. It would be fairly pointless. It would be far easier and cheaper to just replace your lightsaber. Most lightsaber users don't come across someone who can effectively cut a lightsaber handle so they don't see the point in reinforcing them. | ||
| #84 - but what you seem to underestimate is how hard it is to get pa… [+] (5 new replies) | 01/09/2016 on Need more lightsabers | -1 |
| You're making it sound like it's superior to a sword in every way. Its strength is in its reach, but it's the weapon's biggest flaw as well. It is very much possible to get around it. It would be much easier to beat a lightsaber version than a real one. That pole handle is very vulnerable. You keep ignoring my point. It's not a debate on how hard it would be to get past it or how easy. It's that if you do then there is no defense whatsoever. It's not even an impossible feat either. It can obviously be done. If two force sensitive fights got into a serious duel then likely whomever had the spear would lose. You can't keep the enemy at bay forever. All they have to do is stay out of range of the blade and wait for an opening. They could chop at the base of the blade and cut the whole blade off. We're not talking about medieval weapons. We're talking about how they would transition to a lightsaber. Spear type weapons like the glaive and halberds had the advantage of greater reach and the option of putting more weight and power into your strikes without putting yourself in a vulnerable spot. The thing is that would not affect a lightsaber. Those things weight practically nothing. A little extra weight into it really won't change much so you're just left with a greater reach. Spears are also very different than lightsaber spears. Spears are not good for slashing. You can slash with them, but they aren't very effective that way. They are mainly meant for stabbing. A lightsaber spear can slash and stab with the same effectiveness. Not all weapons will work the same if they in a lightsaber form. Lightsabers don't matter what way you use them. As long as the blade touches something, it will do equal damage. It's common sense, man. I'm not trying to sound like a dick. It's just pretty easy to find the flaws in every weapon by looking at them or how they are used. If you show me a weapon, I can probably tell you how it's best used and what its weakness is. #88 -
dukeexeter (01/09/2016) [-] why dont you go look up some videos of spear vs sword fights you'll see what I've been telling you. You keep ignoring the fact that it is not easy to get past. Yes, it is possible. Is it easy? No. "All they have to do is stay out of range and wait for an opening" why the hell would I give my opponent an opening!? I'm gonna sit back and wait for him to try and do something to me I have the range on him. "A lightsaber spear can slash and stab with the same effectiveness." yea exactly what im saying, making a spear into a lightsaber spear would bascially make it even better than before #98 -
wertologist (01/09/2016) [-] Do you not realize a lightsaber could very easily chop that blade off? If you try to keep the hilt out of range of the lightsaber you are leaving yourself very open. "why the hell would I give my opponent an opening!?" Nobody intentionally gives an opening. It just happens. "making a spear into a lightsaber spear would bascially make it even better than before " A lightsaber will make the wapon better for obvious reasons of being able to cut in any way and through most materials, but if you come across a lightsaber the spear is a horrible weapon. Land a blow on the handle and your spear is fucked. Look at this picture for a clearer example. Yes you have greater reach with the spear, but your opponent doesn't need to try to hit you. All they have to do is hit the completely unguarded hilt. In the old days this wasn't a problem with the weapon because a sword wasn't likely to lob the blade clean off, but with lightsabers simply touching the hilt will with the saber will render the spear a useless stick. All lightsabers share that problem, but with a spear lightsaber you are shoving the hilt in your opponent's direction for an easy hit. Real spear like weapons(not lightsaber) didn't have the threat of the blade being lobbed off. Unless you got a good hard swing at the pole, you were not likely to cleave it off. The pole could be used as part of the weapon. If the enemy managed to get by for a swing you could at least attempt to swing the other side of the pole to try to block, but that doesn't work when it's a lightsaber. The lightsaber will cut clean through it like wet paper. Yes, the spear will give you good reach, but the hilt is very vulnerable. With a sword saber you can at least move the hilt out of the way and still defend with the blade. With a double bladed lightsaber you can swing the hilt out of the way and counter with a swing of the other side as you swing it back. With the spear, if you pull it out of the way you are also pulling your only offensive tool away and leaving yourself open for them to get close. When they get close you have no defense. That is why a lightsaber spear is very ineffective. The very vulnerable hilt and the the fact you are defenseless if they get by the blade. In a lightsaber duel, you have to only use the blades. The handle is not part usefull. You can't use a lightsaber spear the same way you would use a regular spear. A regular spear shaft is at least somewhat usable to block a blade swipe. A lightsaber spear's shaft cannot stop a blade so your only offensive and defensive abilities is the smaller blade. Even if you are very skilled with the weapon, you can only rely on the blade part. The shaft cannot be used to block at all. If you try to block with the shaft, then you lose your lightsaber. All they have to do is land a single blow on any part of the upper shaft past your hands and your entire weapon is fucked. Yes the sword can't reach you while you keep your distance, but all they would have to do is hit the very vulnerable shaft. Do you see the flaws in the weapon now? #99 -
dukeexeter (01/09/2016) [-] well you obviously dont know anything about starwars cause there are materials that resist lightsaber blades The Qinata (a lightsaber spear basically) had a handle wrappped entirely of Cortosis-fiber. If you struck this with another lightsaber it would short out the lightsaber. So it would be a huge advantage for the lightsaber spear user. I know there are lightsaber resistant materials. Don't assume I don't. You obviously don't know a lot about it if you think every lightsaber is made of the stuff. It's a very rare material. There is Mandalorian Steel, but that doesn't do a whole lot. Cortosis is the most effective lightsaber resistant material yes, but it is also an incredibly rare material. Not something people casually make a saber out of. Your counter argument is basically "well it'll be made out of strong material". The thing is that is then creating a biased fight. You're essentially just trying to stack the odds in your favor. I mean, if you get to throw in an extra variable then I'll toss in one too. The swordsman will have Cortosis armor and another lightsaber. This is a hypothetical fight between two average people. The average lightsaber isn't made out of lightsaber resistant materials. Look at Darth Maul's. That thing was cut in half. Anakins first lightsaber was also cut by a basic industrial blade. Most lightsabers are not heavily reinforced. It would be fairly pointless. It would be far easier and cheaper to just replace your lightsaber. Most lightsaber users don't come across someone who can effectively cut a lightsaber handle so they don't see the point in reinforcing them. | ||
| #78 - yea but the problem is getting past the weapon's range to get … [+] (7 new replies) | 01/09/2016 on Need more lightsabers | 0 |
| That's not my point at all. My point is that if the combatant gets past then you have no defense. I know that's its strength. That's really all it has if it's a lightsaber. It's still possible to get by it and if they do, you're fucked. That's my point. I'm not talking about skill or someones hypothetical ability to get by it or not. I'm saying it's a very impractical weapon for saber dueling. If they are dead equal in skill with each weapon it would come down to if the swordsman can get by the blade or not. Why do you automatically assume that it's an unstoppable weapon that no one can pass? That is the weapon's biggest flaw. Get by the blade and you win. There simply is no defense past the blade. If you tried to block with the handle then the saber would just cut right through it and go into you. There is no defense capabilities when they get close. A spear lightsaber is just a really long handle that can be broken with a small blade. One swipe good swipe at the handle and you now have a dagger. Another big weakness of a lightsaber spear is you can very easily chop the top of the handle off. It's harder to pull it away from a blade trying to cut the dangerous part off. Pull it too far away and you've just opened yourself for them to get close enough to where the weapon is useless. That weapon does not transition well into a lightsaber. Very impractical. #84 -
dukeexeter (01/09/2016) [-] but what you seem to underestimate is how hard it is to get past the weapon yes i understand it is possible to get by and yes if they get past the tip of it you're gonna have a bad time, but they are ways to counter that if you are trained properly do some research about polearms and swords in the middle ages, if spears were so shit why were they so commonly used You're making it sound like it's superior to a sword in every way. Its strength is in its reach, but it's the weapon's biggest flaw as well. It is very much possible to get around it. It would be much easier to beat a lightsaber version than a real one. That pole handle is very vulnerable. You keep ignoring my point. It's not a debate on how hard it would be to get past it or how easy. It's that if you do then there is no defense whatsoever. It's not even an impossible feat either. It can obviously be done. If two force sensitive fights got into a serious duel then likely whomever had the spear would lose. You can't keep the enemy at bay forever. All they have to do is stay out of range of the blade and wait for an opening. They could chop at the base of the blade and cut the whole blade off. We're not talking about medieval weapons. We're talking about how they would transition to a lightsaber. Spear type weapons like the glaive and halberds had the advantage of greater reach and the option of putting more weight and power into your strikes without putting yourself in a vulnerable spot. The thing is that would not affect a lightsaber. Those things weight practically nothing. A little extra weight into it really won't change much so you're just left with a greater reach. Spears are also very different than lightsaber spears. Spears are not good for slashing. You can slash with them, but they aren't very effective that way. They are mainly meant for stabbing. A lightsaber spear can slash and stab with the same effectiveness. Not all weapons will work the same if they in a lightsaber form. Lightsabers don't matter what way you use them. As long as the blade touches something, it will do equal damage. It's common sense, man. I'm not trying to sound like a dick. It's just pretty easy to find the flaws in every weapon by looking at them or how they are used. If you show me a weapon, I can probably tell you how it's best used and what its weakness is. #88 -
dukeexeter (01/09/2016) [-] why dont you go look up some videos of spear vs sword fights you'll see what I've been telling you. You keep ignoring the fact that it is not easy to get past. Yes, it is possible. Is it easy? No. "All they have to do is stay out of range and wait for an opening" why the hell would I give my opponent an opening!? I'm gonna sit back and wait for him to try and do something to me I have the range on him. "A lightsaber spear can slash and stab with the same effectiveness." yea exactly what im saying, making a spear into a lightsaber spear would bascially make it even better than before #98 -
wertologist (01/09/2016) [-] Do you not realize a lightsaber could very easily chop that blade off? If you try to keep the hilt out of range of the lightsaber you are leaving yourself very open. "why the hell would I give my opponent an opening!?" Nobody intentionally gives an opening. It just happens. "making a spear into a lightsaber spear would bascially make it even better than before " A lightsaber will make the wapon better for obvious reasons of being able to cut in any way and through most materials, but if you come across a lightsaber the spear is a horrible weapon. Land a blow on the handle and your spear is fucked. Look at this picture for a clearer example. Yes you have greater reach with the spear, but your opponent doesn't need to try to hit you. All they have to do is hit the completely unguarded hilt. In the old days this wasn't a problem with the weapon because a sword wasn't likely to lob the blade clean off, but with lightsabers simply touching the hilt will with the saber will render the spear a useless stick. All lightsabers share that problem, but with a spear lightsaber you are shoving the hilt in your opponent's direction for an easy hit. Real spear like weapons(not lightsaber) didn't have the threat of the blade being lobbed off. Unless you got a good hard swing at the pole, you were not likely to cleave it off. The pole could be used as part of the weapon. If the enemy managed to get by for a swing you could at least attempt to swing the other side of the pole to try to block, but that doesn't work when it's a lightsaber. The lightsaber will cut clean through it like wet paper. Yes, the spear will give you good reach, but the hilt is very vulnerable. With a sword saber you can at least move the hilt out of the way and still defend with the blade. With a double bladed lightsaber you can swing the hilt out of the way and counter with a swing of the other side as you swing it back. With the spear, if you pull it out of the way you are also pulling your only offensive tool away and leaving yourself open for them to get close. When they get close you have no defense. That is why a lightsaber spear is very ineffective. The very vulnerable hilt and the the fact you are defenseless if they get by the blade. In a lightsaber duel, you have to only use the blades. The handle is not part usefull. You can't use a lightsaber spear the same way you would use a regular spear. A regular spear shaft is at least somewhat usable to block a blade swipe. A lightsaber spear's shaft cannot stop a blade so your only offensive and defensive abilities is the smaller blade. Even if you are very skilled with the weapon, you can only rely on the blade part. The shaft cannot be used to block at all. If you try to block with the shaft, then you lose your lightsaber. All they have to do is land a single blow on any part of the upper shaft past your hands and your entire weapon is fucked. Yes the sword can't reach you while you keep your distance, but all they would have to do is hit the very vulnerable shaft. Do you see the flaws in the weapon now? #99 -
dukeexeter (01/09/2016) [-] well you obviously dont know anything about starwars cause there are materials that resist lightsaber blades The Qinata (a lightsaber spear basically) had a handle wrappped entirely of Cortosis-fiber. If you struck this with another lightsaber it would short out the lightsaber. So it would be a huge advantage for the lightsaber spear user. I know there are lightsaber resistant materials. Don't assume I don't. You obviously don't know a lot about it if you think every lightsaber is made of the stuff. It's a very rare material. There is Mandalorian Steel, but that doesn't do a whole lot. Cortosis is the most effective lightsaber resistant material yes, but it is also an incredibly rare material. Not something people casually make a saber out of. Your counter argument is basically "well it'll be made out of strong material". The thing is that is then creating a biased fight. You're essentially just trying to stack the odds in your favor. I mean, if you get to throw in an extra variable then I'll toss in one too. The swordsman will have Cortosis armor and another lightsaber. This is a hypothetical fight between two average people. The average lightsaber isn't made out of lightsaber resistant materials. Look at Darth Maul's. That thing was cut in half. Anakins first lightsaber was also cut by a basic industrial blade. Most lightsabers are not heavily reinforced. It would be fairly pointless. It would be far easier and cheaper to just replace your lightsaber. Most lightsaber users don't come across someone who can effectively cut a lightsaber handle so they don't see the point in reinforcing them. | ||
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| #201 - Whatever dude you believe your far fetched theory or whaterver… [+] (2 new replies) | 01/08/2016 on Jedi school tuition fees... | +1 |
 lmao calling what I'm saying a far fetched theory. I'd call it common sense but you do you man #239 -
anon (01/09/2016) [-] Different person here, commenting anon and not coming back. Can confirm, sword and staff are INCREDIBLY different to use. The weight distribution and reach are very different, and therefore the swinging and maneuvering are COMPLETELY different. If you don't believe me, go pick up a bo-staff and train with it. It doesn't take long to be as far along with it as Rey was. Now take fencing classes. You're going to get your ass kicked against any fencer with experience. For years. Rey is a living plothole/deus ex. She has no reason to be skilled with the lightsaber OR with piloting/repairing the Millennium Falcon, though that's another topic entirely. | ||
| #195 - no dude, just no. Let it go. It's not the same. Also who even … [+] (4 new replies) | 01/08/2016 on Jedi school tuition fees... | +2 |
| ...have you seen the movie? Rey is very much skilled with a staff. and I understand that an amateur swordsman is nothing compared to master, but you are definitely blowing way out of proportion the difficulty of using a sword effectively. anyone with a good sense of hand-eye coordination could catch on pretty easily. Lets not forget that Rey was a very agile and able bodied person fighting a master who has been terribly injured. It's not that far fetched that rey was able to do what she did. #201 -
dukeexeter (01/08/2016) [-] Whatever dude you believe your far fetched theory or whaterver I'm done lmao calling what I'm saying a far fetched theory. I'd call it common sense but you do you man #239 -
anon (01/09/2016) [-] Different person here, commenting anon and not coming back. Can confirm, sword and staff are INCREDIBLY different to use. The weight distribution and reach are very different, and therefore the swinging and maneuvering are COMPLETELY different. If you don't believe me, go pick up a bo-staff and train with it. It doesn't take long to be as far along with it as Rey was. Now take fencing classes. You're going to get your ass kicked against any fencer with experience. For years. Rey is a living plothole/deus ex. She has no reason to be skilled with the lightsaber OR with piloting/repairing the Millennium Falcon, though that's another topic entirely. | ||
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