profiles can determine potential reaction to almost any stimulus, and can lead to vastly reduced crime and injury rates. anyone can be pushed to murder, and there is a reason for anyone to commit any crime. the only way to prevent this is by identifying their limits. in addition to this, you can accurately predict social development and population dispersal within a sample group. you can also reduce misunderstandings and conflicts. also, why are you fighting the fact that people can be categorized? I think you have some deep-seated insecurity if you actually believe that people are that complex.. if you want to continue this futile endeavor of finding flaws in my arguments, I can do this all day, as I have written several research papers on this subject and am planning to pursue my doctorate in Behavioral Psychology. I suggest you figure out why this is so important to you before commenting again, because right now, it seems that you are just a sheep.

1: Let's make sure we're talking about the same thing here: Putting "label" like "alpha", "gamer" or "jock" on someone is not the same as a full psychological profile.

2: Say you can psychologically profile every person in the world, and you're able to predict how they will react in every situation, how would you use this information? At the moment at least, it's not feasible to observe every action of every person in the entire world, not to mention actually stopping them if they're about to break the law. Who would control such power?

3: I'm not saying that people CAN'T be categorized, I'm just saying that they're not accurate. However, I do realize that the things that drive people are relatively simple.
Also, I do have insecurities, and they have been getting gradually better since my childhood. At least partly because I started caring less about what other people think.

4: I'll just take for granted that you've actually got that Psych Master's. In any case, it doesn't give you limitless authority on this subject. Things can still be discussed.

5: "Being a sheep" = believing the same as everyone else. Most people think labels describe people quite accurately, therefore calling me a sheep makes no sense.

seriously? if this kind of examination was done more often we wouldn't have shit like some punks Columbining their schools or anywhere near as many corrupt politicians or and drug addicts. its called psychological profiling, and the only reason it doesn't work is because not enough people get examined. it should be a legal requirement to enroll in schools and any other government-funded institution.

Determining if someone has a serious mental illness is not the same as saying someone is "alpha" or "beta". By labeling people, and putting them into clearly defined groups, you remove the possbility for them to change.

People are complex and multi-faceted. It's just not possible to accurately describe someone with just one word, and therefore it is pointless, in my opinion.

profiles can determine potential reaction to almost any stimulus, and can lead to vastly reduced crime and injury rates. anyone can be pushed to murder, and there is a reason for anyone to commit any crime. the only way to prevent this is by identifying their limits. in addition to this, you can accurately predict social development and population dispersal within a sample group. you can also reduce misunderstandings and conflicts. also, why are you fighting the fact that people can be categorized? I think you have some deep-seated insecurity if you actually believe that people are that complex.. if you want to continue this futile endeavor of finding flaws in my arguments, I can do this all day, as I have written several research papers on this subject and am planning to pursue my doctorate in Behavioral Psychology. I suggest you figure out why this is so important to you before commenting again, because right now, it seems that you are just a sheep.

1: Let's make sure we're talking about the same thing here: Putting "label" like "alpha", "gamer" or "jock" on someone is not the same as a full psychological profile.

2: Say you can psychologically profile every person in the world, and you're able to predict how they will react in every situation, how would you use this information? At the moment at least, it's not feasible to observe every action of every person in the entire world, not to mention actually stopping them if they're about to break the law. Who would control such power?

3: I'm not saying that people CAN'T be categorized, I'm just saying that they're not accurate. However, I do realize that the things that drive people are relatively simple.
Also, I do have insecurities, and they have been getting gradually better since my childhood. At least partly because I started caring less about what other people think.

4: I'll just take for granted that you've actually got that Psych Master's. In any case, it doesn't give you limitless authority on this subject. Things can still be discussed.

5: "Being a sheep" = believing the same as everyone else. Most people think labels describe people quite accurately, therefore calling me a sheep makes no sense.

Misfits.

What show is that? I know that's the Tennantface, but who is under it?

Welp I replied to the wrong person.
Anyways, its from Misfits.

I'm thinking it's Nathan, from the show Misfits

bacon is bacon

well, I'm awake now.

like half the content here. puns are said on this site everytime and everywhere, and they can be much worse than the joke above.

Good point.

'twas merely a joke

I know. Just not a very good one.

like half the content here. puns are said on this site everytime and everywhere, and they can be much worse than the joke above.

Good point.

Yea he's got the same hair color as Catelyn Stark.

What if the carpenter or the groundskeeper happens to be Mexican?

Most illegal immigrants do pay taxes, though. If they buy anything they pay sales taxes. If they have a job they pay payroll taxes, and often even income taxes (they might use fraudulent Social Security numbers). If they own property they pay property taxes, and if they rent they indirectly pay the taxes that are factored into their rent.
However, they do not receive the same benefits that legal taxpayers receive, such as Social Security.

Oh, boy, here we go.

First of all, I'm not a liberal. I was simply informing you that you're wrong, and that illegal immigrants do usually pay taxes.

No, they shouldn't be in the country illegally, nor should they be receiving benefits or voting or using fake SS numbers, etc. But that doesn't mean you have to pretend they're worthless or lazy or evil, or that they contribute nothing or that they're foreign invaders or that they're trying to undermine America or some similar bullshit.

"Keep America American" is a meaningless and vaguely racist slogan that appeals to people who think American is something other than a nationality, the sort of people who believe in "purity" and thing there's such thing as a "true American". What the fuck does that even mean?

Look, I agree with you that people should come to this country legally and stay here legally, if they're going to stay. And the shouldn't forge their documents. No shit.
But the illegality of their presence here does not necessarily make them less productive. It also doesn't make them evil. They didn't come here because they are malicious, they came here looking for jobs and opportunities that they couldn't get in their home country, in order to support themselves and their families.

Your bit about gangs is a different matter entirely, as most gangs are not made up of illegal immigrants (although I guess it depends on where you live). The reasons for the racial disparities in crime and poverty is a complex discussion that has little or nothing to do with inherent racial characteristics and more with the cycle of poverty, the aftermath of segregation, the development of racial subcultures, drugs and the drug war, welfare, etc.

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"In the situation you named I expect the kid to see all this around him and say "damn... I want to get the hell out of here ASAP!" and focus more on school so he can get out... if he knows that this cycle of poverty exists it's all the more reason to break it."
First of all, even if he does manage to graduate, the school did not equip him with sufficient skills to be a valuable worker or even to attend a decent college. He might come out without adequate math skills or even full literacy, and it's very difficult for someone like that to find a well-paying job. In many cities, minimum wage doesn't even cover half the rent of a small apartment.
What often happens in the worst ghettos is people simply do not plan for the future, because they do not expect to live long enough for it to matter. For that reason many of them start using drugs as an escape, which obviously makes things worse.
And then all this delinquency and despair and violence and drug use integrates itself into the culture of the neighborhood, and as it becomes increasingly normal it also becomes harder to resist.
And then when you have kids, your kids will likely go through the same things and have the same problems, and in the long run it gets worse and worse.

I go to college in Baltimore, and this exact thing actually happens in West Baltimore and other neighborhoods in the city. The reason for the racial correlation here is largely because the city used to be heavily segregated, and the de jure and de facto disadvantaged black neighborhoods became the ghettos that exist today, post-segregation. And it got even worse as the middle-class black people did just what you said and moved out of the city, taking their skills with them.

There's also something called social identity theory, which is why races tend to form cohesive groups based simply on shared ancestry and appearance.

"There are people here who want to support their families as well but can't because of illegal immigrants"
Really? Do you have evidence that this happens?
By hiring cheap labor, private businesses are able to lower costs and therefore increase profit. With higher profits, they can afford to lower prices and also to expand and therefore create even more jobs while increasing production. Since illegal immigrants are usually low-skilled and have limited English proficiency, they aren't suitable for every position and are usually used for manual-labor type jobs, while low-skilled Americans are pushed toward jobs like cashiers or waiters which require more communication. It's not strictly a "stealing our jobs" scenario.
I'll also point out that the jobs were not yours to begin with. You're not entitled to be hired, and private businesses don't owe you anything.

"Yes it doesn't show causation 100% of the time, but the majority of the time it does. Almost every time practically. So much so in fact that the chance that it doesn't is basically dismissible entirely."
Not only is this logically fallacious, it is also incorrect.
Suppose you read this stat:
"In homes with guns, the homicide of a household member is almost 3 times more likely to occur than in homes without guns."
That implies that having a gun makes you more likely to be murdered. But maybe those gun owners have guns because they live somewhere where they're more likely to be murdered. How can you tell from the statistic alone?

"I will not research those factors at all, i'm going to focus on the undeniable math and statistics and facts"
Then frankly you are an idiot and your research is worthless. You're not trying to observe reality or discover anything, you're trying to validate your own opinion. The fact that black Americans commit a disproportionate number of crimes does not tell you why that is the case, and that is insufficient data to form a conclusion.

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Reached the reply limit here as well.

"Fixing their own country" is much easier said than done, and it's not something that the average family feels itself capable of doing. They don't set out to fix their country or ruin ours, they just want to support their families like the rest of us. Breaking the law shouldn't be the way to do it, but the motive warrants some sympathy.

What's the thesis of your paper? That certain races are inherently more prone to crime?
Correlation doesn't imply causation. Perhaps you should investigate some of those factors I mentioned earlier, instead of dismissing them as excuses.
It's all well and good to preach personal responsibility, but people aren't islands and our will isn't purely free. We are susceptible to outside influences and act accordingly.
If you live in a poor inner-city neighborhood, attend a low-performing and underfunded school, and are constantly surrounded by gangs and drug users - all through no fault of your own - do you think you're likely to go on and become a successful entrepreneur or something?

Only if you're a weakling from Riverrun or the Trident.

He does have the hair color that seems to predominate in those parts of Westeros.

Yea he's got the same hair color as Catelyn Stark.