Look, man. There is no justification for suicide. There is no justification for suicidal thoughts. It's absolute foolishness, and you shouldn't be accepting of foolishness. The right thing to do is not to "understand" a person's depression and let them be with a laissez faire sort of policy, but to pull them out of that rut when they can't pull themselves. But this content... It does the exact opposite of that.

Just because a doctor affirms the idea that the symptom is the cause doesn't mean it's any less a result of one's own lack of moral courage. If a person isn't going to fight for their life, you don't show that the other side is greener, you fight for them until they're strong enough to fight for themselves!

You have been rather inspirational this whole time. but there was one thing that has been egging on at me through reading your conversation (it's the only point i disagree with you)

You should know (seeing you went through depression) that it isn't as simple as "growing the fuck up" to me that came off as a bit condescending. Dont take this the wrong way, you seem you have been through a lot. but some people have much bigger problems other than adolescent self-pity and are a lot harder to overcome than deciding one day you wake up and decide you will do something productive and grow up and out of your depression (which is what it seemed you said. sorry if i'm wrong.)

I'm aware that self-pity isn't the only way people rationalize suicide, but no matter the magnitude of a problem, taking personal responsibility for it is the first step to overcoming it.

You're helping justify the stupidity of suicide. "They feel that it's their only choice, therefore it is OK," would be an accurate summation of your point thus far.

No, an accurate summation would be, this is how the person feels. I can't argue with a brick wall. I'm done here.

Look, man. There is no justification for suicide. There is no justification for suicidal thoughts. It's absolute foolishness, and you shouldn't be accepting of foolishness. The right thing to do is not to "understand" a person's depression and let them be with a laissez faire sort of policy, but to pull them out of that rut when they can't pull themselves. But this content... It does the exact opposite of that.

... I know depression is caused by chemical deficiencies, but it's not something that is beyond control, and it's not something that is a separate entity that can control people's lives. You're pretending a symptom is a cause.

Actually, if you really did have depression, as in, diagnosed by a doctor, then no, you are not in control. At least for the time being.

Just because a doctor affirms the idea that the symptom is the cause doesn't mean it's any less a result of one's own lack of moral courage. If a person isn't going to fight for their life, you don't show that the other side is greener, you fight for them until they're strong enough to fight for themselves!

You have been rather inspirational this whole time. but there was one thing that has been egging on at me through reading your conversation (it's the only point i disagree with you)

You should know (seeing you went through depression) that it isn't as simple as "growing the fuck up" to me that came off as a bit condescending. Dont take this the wrong way, you seem you have been through a lot. but some people have much bigger problems other than adolescent self-pity and are a lot harder to overcome than deciding one day you wake up and decide you will do something productive and grow up and out of your depression (which is what it seemed you said. sorry if i'm wrong.)

I'm aware that self-pity isn't the only way people rationalize suicide, but no matter the magnitude of a problem, taking personal responsibility for it is the first step to overcoming it.

Well, if you think there's a pot of gold at the end of the suicide rainbow and that killing yourself represents "relief" and "hope," you shouldn't be talking to him, either.

You're not trolling me right? I said that's the perspective of a suicidal person, I didn't say it's going to bring any sort of happiness.

You're helping justify the stupidity of suicide. "They feel that it's their only choice, therefore it is OK," would be an accurate summation of your point thus far.

No, an accurate summation would be, this is how the person feels. I can't argue with a brick wall. I'm done here.

Look, man. There is no justification for suicide. There is no justification for suicidal thoughts. It's absolute foolishness, and you shouldn't be accepting of foolishness. The right thing to do is not to "understand" a person's depression and let them be with a laissez faire sort of policy, but to pull them out of that rut when they can't pull themselves. But this content... It does the exact opposite of that.

No, it's not a "mental disorder." It's the delusion that self-pity is justified and the false rationalization that the world is culpable for one's own mistakes. I was depressed because I thought I was worthless. I'm not depressed any more because I know that focusing on one's worthlessness does nothing but perpetuate it. I'm not depressed any more not because I "woke up one day and said 'I'm all grown up now,'" but because over the course of a couple years I decided to enable myself instead of being a leech that moans to itself about how parasitic it is.

You should take a course in psychology at your local community college or something. "It's not a mental disorder" might have been one of the most ignorant comments I've ever read.

... I know depression is caused by chemical deficiencies, but it's not something that is beyond control, and it's not something that is a separate entity that can control people's lives. You're pretending a symptom is a cause.

Actually, if you really did have depression, as in, diagnosed by a doctor, then no, you are not in control. At least for the time being.

Just because a doctor affirms the idea that the symptom is the cause doesn't mean it's any less a result of one's own lack of moral courage. If a person isn't going to fight for their life, you don't show that the other side is greener, you fight for them until they're strong enough to fight for themselves!

You have been rather inspirational this whole time. but there was one thing that has been egging on at me through reading your conversation (it's the only point i disagree with you)

You should know (seeing you went through depression) that it isn't as simple as "growing the fuck up" to me that came off as a bit condescending. Dont take this the wrong way, you seem you have been through a lot. but some people have much bigger problems other than adolescent self-pity and are a lot harder to overcome than deciding one day you wake up and decide you will do something productive and grow up and out of your depression (which is what it seemed you said. sorry if i'm wrong.)

I'm aware that self-pity isn't the only way people rationalize suicide, but no matter the magnitude of a problem, taking personal responsibility for it is the first step to overcoming it.

"I grew the fuck up."
I'm not the one who needs help here.

Sorry, meant to send that to Anon.

Well, if you think there's a pot of gold at the end of the suicide rainbow and that killing yourself represents "relief" and "hope," you shouldn't be talking to him, either.

You're not trolling me right? I said that's the perspective of a suicidal person, I didn't say it's going to bring any sort of happiness.

You're helping justify the stupidity of suicide. "They feel that it's their only choice, therefore it is OK," would be an accurate summation of your point thus far.

No, an accurate summation would be, this is how the person feels. I can't argue with a brick wall. I'm done here.

Look, man. There is no justification for suicide. There is no justification for suicidal thoughts. It's absolute foolishness, and you shouldn't be accepting of foolishness. The right thing to do is not to "understand" a person's depression and let them be with a laissez faire sort of policy, but to pull them out of that rut when they can't pull themselves. But this content... It does the exact opposite of that.

I have. I've been depressed for the majority of my life. And I grew up.

"Then I grew up."

You don't just realize one day, "oh shit I should stop being such a baby." All that means is you had symptoms of depression, but you never HAD depression. Again, it's a mental disorder, it's not something you can snap out of just because you've matured. By the way, way to downthumb all my comments, I haven't been the one doing it to you.

No, it's not a "mental disorder." It's the delusion that self-pity is justified and the false rationalization that the world is culpable for one's own mistakes. I was depressed because I thought I was worthless. I'm not depressed any more because I know that focusing on one's worthlessness does nothing but perpetuate it. I'm not depressed any more not because I "woke up one day and said 'I'm all grown up now,'" but because over the course of a couple years I decided to enable myself instead of being a leech that moans to itself about how parasitic it is.

You should take a course in psychology at your local community college or something. "It's not a mental disorder" might have been one of the most ignorant comments I've ever read.

... I know depression is caused by chemical deficiencies, but it's not something that is beyond control, and it's not something that is a separate entity that can control people's lives. You're pretending a symptom is a cause.

Actually, if you really did have depression, as in, diagnosed by a doctor, then no, you are not in control. At least for the time being.

Just because a doctor affirms the idea that the symptom is the cause doesn't mean it's any less a result of one's own lack of moral courage. If a person isn't going to fight for their life, you don't show that the other side is greener, you fight for them until they're strong enough to fight for themselves!

You have been rather inspirational this whole time. but there was one thing that has been egging on at me through reading your conversation (it's the only point i disagree with you)

You should know (seeing you went through depression) that it isn't as simple as "growing the fuck up" to me that came off as a bit condescending. Dont take this the wrong way, you seem you have been through a lot. but some people have much bigger problems other than adolescent self-pity and are a lot harder to overcome than deciding one day you wake up and decide you will do something productive and grow up and out of your depression (which is what it seemed you said. sorry if i'm wrong.)

I'm aware that self-pity isn't the only way people rationalize suicide, but no matter the magnitude of a problem, taking personal responsibility for it is the first step to overcoming it.

I didn't ignore what anyone said. There is no "relief" in death, and suicide is a coward's way out of facing personal responsibility and helping themselves. But, if you think "dreading the real world" is a worthy excuse for taking one's own life, why are you acting like I'm the stupid one here?

Why don't you try and battle depression? It's a mental disorder. It always feels like a losing battle. Go through it yourself then try and say that again.

I have. I've been depressed for the majority of my life. And I grew up.

"Then I grew up."

You don't just realize one day, "oh shit I should stop being such a baby." All that means is you had symptoms of depression, but you never HAD depression. Again, it's a mental disorder, it's not something you can snap out of just because you've matured. By the way, way to downthumb all my comments, I haven't been the one doing it to you.

No, it's not a "mental disorder." It's the delusion that self-pity is justified and the false rationalization that the world is culpable for one's own mistakes. I was depressed because I thought I was worthless. I'm not depressed any more because I know that focusing on one's worthlessness does nothing but perpetuate it. I'm not depressed any more not because I "woke up one day and said 'I'm all grown up now,'" but because over the course of a couple years I decided to enable myself instead of being a leech that moans to itself about how parasitic it is.

You should take a course in psychology at your local community college or something. "It's not a mental disorder" might have been one of the most ignorant comments I've ever read.

... I know depression is caused by chemical deficiencies, but it's not something that is beyond control, and it's not something that is a separate entity that can control people's lives. You're pretending a symptom is a cause.

Actually, if you really did have depression, as in, diagnosed by a doctor, then no, you are not in control. At least for the time being.

Just because a doctor affirms the idea that the symptom is the cause doesn't mean it's any less a result of one's own lack of moral courage. If a person isn't going to fight for their life, you don't show that the other side is greener, you fight for them until they're strong enough to fight for themselves!

You have been rather inspirational this whole time. but there was one thing that has been egging on at me through reading your conversation (it's the only point i disagree with you)

You should know (seeing you went through depression) that it isn't as simple as "growing the fuck up" to me that came off as a bit condescending. Dont take this the wrong way, you seem you have been through a lot. but some people have much bigger problems other than adolescent self-pity and are a lot harder to overcome than deciding one day you wake up and decide you will do something productive and grow up and out of your depression (which is what it seemed you said. sorry if i'm wrong.)

I'm aware that self-pity isn't the only way people rationalize suicide, but no matter the magnitude of a problem, taking personal responsibility for it is the first step to overcoming it.