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#283 - noblexfenrir (03/02/2013) [-]
Trying to start a shitstorm/Informing people of how this actually works.
I hardly care if it does or doesn't start one, I do care however, that people actually understand WHY these two are not compatible. I've seen very few posts doing so, instead people assume because one person of a specific faith also was a scientist that must mean the two are compatible ideas. This is flawed.
#287 - noblexfenrir (03/02/2013) [-]
Where did I not explain my position?
Science is based on distinct properties that are not compatible with religion in the sense of applying it to your worldview. Science inherently derives it's foundation from evidence and logical processes, where as religion is based in faith and magic *(or presuppositions to vague occurrences if "magic" offends)* , hence someone can believe in both but this is only at an individual level since anyone can believe what they want, however the 2 as separate entities in their own right cannot be compatible and will conflict.
#289 - thesovereigngrave (03/02/2013) [-]
I still don't see how exactly that means that they are inherently in conflict and aren't compatible. The existence of God/Gods is a matter of faith because it can be neither proven nor disproven, there is no evidence either way, science is completely separate from belief in a God/Gods.
#290 - noblexfenrir (03/02/2013) [-]
Do you personally believe in a religion in which the deity did not create the universe?
Because that is the only form of religion that would remotely not conflict with science. Any interaction with this universe would also have to be held up through faith by the individual. Since science explicitly deals with what can be proven, and applies evidence based suppositions, having a supernatural entity with no evidence outside of faith create/interact/cause/etc anything in this reality would directly contradict the scientific process.
You also run into many more incompatibilities when you get into the specifics of certain religions such as the abrahamic ones.
You see, having faith in something that is directly involved with our own reality, doesn't work. We need evidence and testing, something religions cannot provide yet they seek to make determinations of said reality.
#291 - thesovereigngrave (03/02/2013) [-]
The issue here is that we have two completely different viewpoints. My viewpoint is that if it's something that is completely impossible to prove or disprove, it falls completely outside the realm of science.
People who don't believe in a God also have no evidence outside of their own belief that there is no God.
#292 - noblexfenrir (03/02/2013) [-]
Something that falls completely outside the realm of science yet allows theists to make claims of reality? No that isn't how it works.
Also, you don't "disprove" god, you prove it. If there is no evidence, we as humans who are not omniscient concede to non-existence. It's foolish to say "You cannot prove or disprove, therefor I believe it to be proven". The only evidence for disproving something is to disprove the evidence for the affirmative, if the affirmative has no evidence, we don't believe it.
#293 - thesovereigngrave (03/02/2013) [-]
And yet people who don't believe in God are saying that "You cannot prove or disprove, therefore I believe it to be proven" for the idea that there is no God. The argument can go both ways.
One could say that to disprove that there is no God, you'd have to disprove the evidence that there is no God, which doesn't exist. The logic ends up being that neither can possibly be true, since there's no evidence to prove either point, but that's not even possible.
#294 - noblexfenrir (03/02/2013) [-]
"And yet people who don't believe in God are saying that "You cannot prove or disprove, therefore I believe it to be proven" for the idea that there is no God. The argument can go both ways.
No it can't, because that isn't how humans determine reality. I'm not saying there is no god at all, I'm saying your claim of one is false due to a lack of evidence. Because as I said, without evidence, we do not concede to existence, we refer to non-existence.
I'm assuming you believe in every alien abduction story you hear correct? Otherwise, you are using the same reasoning, except applying it to a different matter. Or big foot, loch ness, invisible dragons, etc etc etc.
"One could say that to disprove that there is no God, you'd have to disprove the evidence that there is no God, which doesn't exist. The logic ends up being that neither can possibly be true, since there's no evidence to prove either point, but that's not even possible."
You are acting like disproving your claim is in itself a claim, again I'm not saying there is no god, I'm saying the claim you are making is unsupported, therefor we revert to non-existence until new evidence arises.
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