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#89 - Womens Study Major (04/09/2014) [-]
I guarantee I can get you 100 times out of 100 with a gun, lol.
Have fun thinking you're superior for practicing a useless thing.
#88 - Womens Study Major (04/09/2014) [-]
Yeah cause people who don't actually murder each other aren't practicing real medieval combat lol
#41 - xardian (04/09/2014) [-]
Here's my opinion, I'm trained in kendo, if you know that you wont need to practice eastern martial arts, the problem with it is that it is unbelievable useless in learning to really feel the weapon, the only aim in it is to learn techniques and combine them.
But the most important thing is that the western martial arts haven't constantly been part of the culture... so you actually have no credibility... compared to a kendo master
You could invent your own techniques, and train them that would be just as good
If you are talented in martial arts and don't just think up stupid shit
But anyways, I'm not saying that what you are doing is supid, I think it is great, it's not about the techniques but about the expirience in fighting different enemys...
#60 - angelusprimus (04/09/2014) [-]
Every martial art sucks if its used for things that's not designed for.
Its not flowing or pretty like aikido or judo, but trying to take down someone wearing 25 lbs of metal armor with that type of martial art will at very least be useless and at most get you broken limbs.
European middle ages martial arts were designed to take down armored opponents, so they are not flowing or pretty, but they are very efficient for what they do.
#105 - angelusprimus (04/09/2014) [-]
Japanese armor is different. While heavy, very little of it is metal, except for chain shirt, and weight is distributed differently, far more of it being on the shoulders and the hips then in european armor.
Armor is not a fixed point weight, like a backpack, its distributed. And since judo depends on very precise lever principle suddenly your opponent has weight points at completely wrong body parts making your non grappling moves pretty useless.
And with grappling, it still works, BUT you end up on the floor, grappled with someone who has 25 lbs of steel on them.
Even a relatively light punch becomes a big problem if hand is in a gauntlet.
Mind you, I'm not saying european martial art was superior, or that judo isn't a very useful martial art. I'm just saying that they both exist for different purporses, and are good at what they need to do.
#109 - aytoktonik (04/10/2014) [-]
What I mentioned above however was not to challenge it's actual efficiency in the combat field but to ask why it has never been refined . What I mean by refined ?
I mean that when the Jujitsu came onto schools it changed a bit adding more strikes and faster movements and footwork because you had to deal with yourself and the opponent or opponents carrying much less weight. However reading some manuscripts in unarmed medieval I saw that there was almost no striking involved .
Also did the lineage of your martial arts continues or you just study under a martial artists who studied the medieval scripts and if that is the case do you see any stuff rom modern or other than medieval tratidional martial arts being poured into yours ?
#111 - angelusprimus (04/10/2014) [-]
Well, the main change of evolution of ju jitsu and judo is that they evolved and became sports. In actual Edo period battle field using modern ju jitsu or judo would get you quickly killed.
Idea of reconstruction of middle age martial arts is to recreate them as they were, not as a sport. Somewhat naive idea if you ask me, but that's what we are trying to do. So they are not refined in same way asian martial arts are, they are tools of reneisscance battle field, not a competetive sport.
There is striking but very little of it with fists. Using fists against even just chainmail wearing opponent is practice in self harm. Elbows and knees are much more used. There are strikes done with hand but they are very specific, like throat punches.
And what is being done today is a reconstruction. Unfortunately medival combat was lost, as practice died out with advent of firearms. Sadly we europeans did not preserve our heritage like asians did.
So now the attempt is to reconstruct the old styles of combat, with sword, dagger, shield, stave and unarmed as closely as possible, without borrowing from any other martial arts. Everyone studies and everyone researches using as much material we can get our hands on.
Right now there are no masters. We just don't think anyone living right now has knowledge and skills necessary to be considered a master. Highest rank is provost, which is like a senior student or journeyman.
#112 - aytoktonik (04/10/2014) [-]
You are right but I am not talking about the sport versions but more for the versions that were taught in schools before the large sportification of jujitsu . So you don't try to borrow moves and techniques from other martial arts . I have studied some medieval manuscripts because I am interested in war and martial arts history mainly martial arts and I witnessed that the knees are done not in the way that are done in arts like muay thai or shidokan kyokushin etc but are executed more the way a amateur would execute the knee strike . I understand that a lot of things change with the armour on but for example do you practice the knee like muay thai or like the manuscripts showed ? I am not trying to defy you but I am interested in martial arts history and it's quite difficult to find medieval martial arta knowledge in Greece
#114 - angelusprimus (04/10/2014) [-]
Its fun to talk about.
Its executed like the manuscript shows.
BUT drawings in manuscripts are static so you have to adapt to them. doing it exactly how manuscript shows costs too much balance so people who are working on it kept trying it out, in armor and out, until they found the most efficient way to do it.
lol and then they argued about it. and did the experiments dozen more times in a dozen more groups until they came up with a strike that is closest to the manual and still very efficient.
The moves themselves seem rather amateurish, until you try it out with a knee length chain shirt. I've practiced kyokushin karate for about 12 years, and moves I had from it become tangly and disbalancing. also if enemy is in the chain shirt, they land in heaviest armored areas.
While manuscript moves, quick and dirty are designed to keep your balance and hit in areas that are not as heavily armored.
By the way there are manuscripts about fighting armed but not armored opponent, from late renaissance, in italy mostly. Those are more flowing and polished moves, but not as much worked on so far.
#108 - aytoktonik (04/10/2014) [-]
You are correct about that but you can still overcome that problem with hip throws I am not entirely sure . Also the groundfighting obsession did not exist usually when the commbatants where in the ground a pull your tanto and stab the motherfucker policy was followed.
#110 - angelusprimus (04/10/2014) [-]
Hip throws are possible, but very dangerous to execute, because mail shirt goes down to the knees, and adding to that thigh and shin armor, fully armored person will have disproprtionate weight in lower half, hip throw can end up, very easily, in a broken thigh bone.
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