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#127 - nigeltheoutlaw (03/13/2014) [-]
The prime difference there is that the South willingly entered into the Union and left when things in Congress didn't go the way they wanted, while America rebelled due to being forced to be under England's thumb and taxed and controlled without representation. So yes, I can consider myself an American patriot just fine, but a rebel flag is not since it represents a group of people who quit America when things didn't go their way in the legislative body.
#135 - nigeltheoutlaw (03/13/2014) [-]
There's no need to. You are correct, but the initial argument here was that the U.S. flag was unpatriotic. However, American rebellion was the cause of no representation in an unagreed upon system, and Southern rebellion was a rebellion in spite of fair representation in an agreed upon system merely because they did not get their way. You can't equivocate the two as the base reasons are different.
#136 - themabymaby (03/13/2014) [-]
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While it IS true that the american revolution was justified, it was a rebellion, and therefore "Unpatriotic".
#142 - nigeltheoutlaw (03/13/2014) [-]
#172 - anonymous (03/13/2014) [-]
They willingly joined and were able to willingly leave, there was nothing against secession in the US constitution at the time and they were well within their legal rights.
#192 - nigeltheoutlaw (03/13/2014) [-]
Just because something isn't explicitly prohibited in the Constitution doesn't make it unjustified or unpatriotic. Flag burning isn't prohibited in the Constitution, but nobody would argue that somebody who does that is correct. They joined a system, worked within it, then rebelled when they didn't get their way, which is as un-American as you can get.
#195 - vegeta (03/13/2014) [-]
America was built on the foundation of patriotism, and not patriotism for your country, but for the people. the UK learned that the hard way. it's not about having a central government it's about fighting for freedom, true freedom.
what everyone doesn't realize is that a true patriot isn't someone who fights for his country, it's someone who fights for his way of life.
that's what people are trying to say when they fly the confederate flag, they are saying, you can take away everything you want from them, but you can't take away how they feel about their homeland.
actually it's also quite common for people who fly the rebel flag to fly the American flag above it.
They don't discredit the country they live in, they are supporting their way of life, which is the exact reason why pilgrims came in a boat of shit and disease to here in the first place.
Hell the pilgrims were somewhat kind and supportive to the natives, it was the governmental forces that were the real issue. namely conquistadors and people toting guns and armor as though it were just as necessary to have as food and water.
My point is, is that the confederate flag is a sign of true patriotism in the eyes of the beholders, and who are we to take it away.
the nazi flag is a sign of mass genocide and imperial law that not only was the enemy of an entire world war, but was also the direct cause of the world war. where as the confederates didn't start a war, they simply seceded because they were being just as unheard and just as poor as the people who they had tending their fields. The northern cool states relied on the year round growing the south could do, and not giving up the technologies that would have gotten rid of the need for slavery in the first place.
It's like being a company that needs millions of iphones and being told you couldn't have people over seas manufacture it.
if it weren't for that slave who physically built your computer you wouldn't be arguing now.
#196 - nigeltheoutlaw (03/13/2014) [-]
Hmm, you raise valid point with the " the confederate flag is a sign of true patriotism in the eyes of the beholders", so I'll concede that rebel flags are not objectively unpatriotic as I said before. However, in my eyes, they're still the flags of un-American rebels, so it's still subjectively true for me.
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