What it is Ninjeh is that they have no argument base, so they only go after the small pieces they think they can win against, but missing the rest of the post means everyone knows they're failing anyway.

See but here's the real nasty part there. The above is the worst case scenario. But you've got women intentionally putting holes in condoms, lying about their birth control, or liqouring people up so that they can't make a proper decision and/or control what their doing in a proper means.

These things happen, and have happened on more than just a handful of occasions, so instead of running from the problem at hand and demanding I 'grow up' why don't you actually sit the fuck down and think through some of the real issues that can lead to the entrapment of someone?

That and you still haven't addressed the fact that a woman(in a first world country where they fully have that freedom of choice) is never actually forced to carry a child.

Going even further past that, you said this-

as long as people have sex with people who care about each other and themselves, coming to an agreement shouldn't be too hard to do.

-But do you have any idea how many abusive relationships there are out there, for the man or the woman, emotionally or physically.

But again, if you're only argument is women CHOOSE to carry the baby then men should be forced to pay. Because clearly that makes sense.

That's like saying if I choose not to work for the rest of my life you should have to pay for me. Makes no sense.

What it is Ninjeh is that they have no argument base, so they only go after the small pieces they think they can win against, but missing the rest of the post means everyone knows they're failing anyway.

Ahh, I thought you just meant her overall skill, which makes her a formidible opponent in her own right.