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#524 - Alright, this is the statement where I start to actually reali…  [+] (1 new reply) 04/10/2014 on Hugging a woman = raping her 0
User avatar #526 - smokingman (04/10/2014) [-]
No problem, I too get quite heated up when it comes to debates.

I'm italian, my english isn't the best when it comes to conveying an opinion. I get why you'd misunderstand me.
#519 - Until there is a way to pinpoint the people who will become ra… 04/10/2014 on Hugging a woman = raping her 0
#512 - Are you an idiot? You LITERALLY responded to my post claiming …  [+] (3 new replies) 04/10/2014 on Hugging a woman = raping her +1
User avatar #518 - smokingman (04/10/2014) [-]
So what, I agree with you.Some of them do it for power.
Not all of them, there are also plenty of dudebros who fuck drunk chicks and think it's okay.

We aren't talking about poor african countries.
We're talking about western industrialized countries.
Very, very different situations, very different societies.

"Women who carry self defence tools, or who are trained in self defence are going to be more likely to escape from a potential rape than someone who has no training and no items to defend herself with.
A quick google search for self defence against rape rings up tons of results on articles and pages telling women where to attack if they feel they are about to raped, some also suggest taking a self defence class like krav maga or to carry items like mace or tazers."

True, and I'm not arguing against this, I'm arguing that we should teach kinds that nudity is normal, and that nude women aren't any more vulnerable than nude men.
See, we don't call sluts women who wear pants. We used to.
Things change, things will change.
I'm arguing that we should teach people that taking advantage of a woman (or man) is disgusting, whatever the context.
You see, even the most stupid people will hardly do a thing, if convinced of its immorality.

Of course, there will always be evil people.
But I don't always wear a helmet because something may fall on my head.
Women shouldn't carry tasers and learn krav maga because some shithead can't control himself.

They do have to worry, but they shouldn't.
And we have the duty to change things, so that they do not have to constantly worry about this.


User avatar #524 - chieflongnap (04/10/2014) [-]
Alright, this is the statement where I start to actually realize what you truly are saying and I will apologize for being a douchebag.

The statement that caught me before though was " you WILL NOT fix it by telling people to dress up and carry self-defense tools. " Sure that may be true, but it will help significantly.

Yes society should agree that it is normal for women to walk around either half naked or fully nude. Will all of society agree? Probably not. But I do agree that people should realize that it isn't bad for a woman to be partially naked.

I agree with the rest of what you said though, and apologize for the last comment I had made. I think I was interpreting your message a little bit differently for some reason.

Anyway since I've realized I was being an idiot. I bid you good day.
User avatar #526 - smokingman (04/10/2014) [-]
No problem, I too get quite heated up when it comes to debates.

I'm italian, my english isn't the best when it comes to conveying an opinion. I get why you'd misunderstand me.
#489 - But it doesn't matter. Have murderers disappeared? Have physic…  [+] (2 new replies) 04/10/2014 on Hugging a woman = raping her 0
User avatar #510 - smokingman (04/10/2014) [-]
They might not have dissapeared, but their frequence has lessened.
There are less murders than there used to be.
There are less teen pregnancies, despite the "my times" talks.
There are also less rapes, in countries that educate their youths to proper sexual behaviour.

These people might not stop, but many, amny peaple will.
Again, not all rapists are serial rapists or psychologically disturbed individuals.
There are husbands (and wives) who rape, there are disgruntled fiancees, soldiers, blah blah blah.
User avatar #519 - chieflongnap (04/10/2014) [-]
Until there is a way to pinpoint the people who will become rapists before they rape, it most likely isn't going to end.

You don't seem to get the idea that I'm not for rape. I just don't believe you spouting that women should always go around half naked is a viable way to end rape. As stated above, rapists don't rape because the woman is sexy. Being half naked isn't going to deter rapists. In fact, I feel it would provide a better target for rapists because they may think that since she is wearing less, she has less area to hide a potential weapon.

(By the way, where I live it is perfectly legal for women to walk around that way)

Sure education against the issue is fantastic, and all people should know the facts about rape. But the majority of people who also share this view believe that the only way to stop rape is to teach only men that no means no. I don't believe this is the best way to go about the issue. I believe legitimate classes, taught by an expert who has studied the statistics and circumstances surrounding rape is the only way to get the best results.
#478 - "When an individual commits rape, he is interested in ove…  [+] (4 new replies) 04/10/2014 on Hugging a woman = raping her 0
User avatar #482 - smokingman (04/10/2014) [-]
But that says nothing about "30 years that yelling and playing commercials and putting up posters calling all men rapists and telling rapists not to rape".
User avatar #489 - chieflongnap (04/10/2014) [-]
But it doesn't matter. Have murderers disappeared? Have physical assaults stopped? Have robberies ended? The answer is no. The only is general education of the populace. A rapist isn't in a sound state of mind. He isn't going to end his game because people are shouting that it isn't right. They get off on what they're doing.

I forgot to save the link, but a few weeks ago I had read that a lot of sadist rapists claim that they don't get sexually stimulated under consenting conditions and they they can only get off if they are dominating, harming and just controlling the other party without consent. These types of people aren't going to stop just because people put up posters or play commercials. Human beings aren't that simple, especially when they clearly have a different cognitive state than the general populace.
User avatar #510 - smokingman (04/10/2014) [-]
They might not have dissapeared, but their frequence has lessened.
There are less murders than there used to be.
There are less teen pregnancies, despite the "my times" talks.
There are also less rapes, in countries that educate their youths to proper sexual behaviour.

These people might not stop, but many, amny peaple will.
Again, not all rapists are serial rapists or psychologically disturbed individuals.
There are husbands (and wives) who rape, there are disgruntled fiancees, soldiers, blah blah blah.
User avatar #519 - chieflongnap (04/10/2014) [-]
Until there is a way to pinpoint the people who will become rapists before they rape, it most likely isn't going to end.

You don't seem to get the idea that I'm not for rape. I just don't believe you spouting that women should always go around half naked is a viable way to end rape. As stated above, rapists don't rape because the woman is sexy. Being half naked isn't going to deter rapists. In fact, I feel it would provide a better target for rapists because they may think that since she is wearing less, she has less area to hide a potential weapon.

(By the way, where I live it is perfectly legal for women to walk around that way)

Sure education against the issue is fantastic, and all people should know the facts about rape. But the majority of people who also share this view believe that the only way to stop rape is to teach only men that no means no. I don't believe this is the best way to go about the issue. I believe legitimate classes, taught by an expert who has studied the statistics and circumstances surrounding rape is the only way to get the best results.
#466 - This is actually perceived to be true. It's pretty much the sa…  [+] (6 new replies) 04/10/2014 on Hugging a woman = raping her 0
User avatar #467 - smokingman (04/10/2014) [-]
"source"
User avatar #478 - chieflongnap (04/10/2014) [-]
"When an individual commits rape, he is interested in overpowering and possessing complete control and dominance over his victim. Victims are often viewed by the rapists as weak and easily dominated....their primary interests are self-gratification, dominance, and control."

There are generally 3 types of rapists: Anger, Power, and Sadistic.

They all have a different methodology but generally all get off on the power over the victim.

www.csom.org/train/supervision/short/01_02_03.html It starts about halfway down. Took me 5 seconds in google.
User avatar #482 - smokingman (04/10/2014) [-]
But that says nothing about "30 years that yelling and playing commercials and putting up posters calling all men rapists and telling rapists not to rape".
User avatar #489 - chieflongnap (04/10/2014) [-]
But it doesn't matter. Have murderers disappeared? Have physical assaults stopped? Have robberies ended? The answer is no. The only is general education of the populace. A rapist isn't in a sound state of mind. He isn't going to end his game because people are shouting that it isn't right. They get off on what they're doing.

I forgot to save the link, but a few weeks ago I had read that a lot of sadist rapists claim that they don't get sexually stimulated under consenting conditions and they they can only get off if they are dominating, harming and just controlling the other party without consent. These types of people aren't going to stop just because people put up posters or play commercials. Human beings aren't that simple, especially when they clearly have a different cognitive state than the general populace.
User avatar #510 - smokingman (04/10/2014) [-]
They might not have dissapeared, but their frequence has lessened.
There are less murders than there used to be.
There are less teen pregnancies, despite the "my times" talks.
There are also less rapes, in countries that educate their youths to proper sexual behaviour.

These people might not stop, but many, amny peaple will.
Again, not all rapists are serial rapists or psychologically disturbed individuals.
There are husbands (and wives) who rape, there are disgruntled fiancees, soldiers, blah blah blah.
User avatar #519 - chieflongnap (04/10/2014) [-]
Until there is a way to pinpoint the people who will become rapists before they rape, it most likely isn't going to end.

You don't seem to get the idea that I'm not for rape. I just don't believe you spouting that women should always go around half naked is a viable way to end rape. As stated above, rapists don't rape because the woman is sexy. Being half naked isn't going to deter rapists. In fact, I feel it would provide a better target for rapists because they may think that since she is wearing less, she has less area to hide a potential weapon.

(By the way, where I live it is perfectly legal for women to walk around that way)

Sure education against the issue is fantastic, and all people should know the facts about rape. But the majority of people who also share this view believe that the only way to stop rape is to teach only men that no means no. I don't believe this is the best way to go about the issue. I believe legitimate classes, taught by an expert who has studied the statistics and circumstances surrounding rape is the only way to get the best results.
#463 - Rape has been stated by criminologists to be about the power. …  [+] (1 new reply) 04/10/2014 on Hugging a woman = raping her 0
User avatar #471 - smokingman (04/10/2014) [-]
I fyou read my posts (lots of them on this page), you'll see that I repeatedly say that what we need to change is the percieved "vulnerability" of attractive attire.

And how do we do that?
By NORMALIZING it.
As I've already said, we've gottent past the victorian sexual standards.
We've gotten past the 50's standards.
People don't see women in pants as vulnerable since a fuckload of years.
They've gotten used to it.

And that's what we should do, get people used to nudity.

Yes, the currents state of things makes so that women have to fend for themselves.
But it doesn't have to stay as it is.
Things change, and we have to make so that they change.
#247 - But one of the biggest issues with everyone discussing this to… 04/10/2014 on Hugging a woman = raping her 0
#175 - This kind of stuff actually happens. A lot of smaller breeds c…  [+] (2 new replies) 04/07/2014 on I had fantasized about this... +4
#176 - dehnoobshow (04/07/2014) [-]
I don't understand how people do nothing to those dogs.
If I had one and it started thinking it owned me, I'd have slapped it. If It wanted to fight back, I'm the goddamn human. Women who do nothing because ''It's so cute'' is the reason why I mainly date cat people.
#203 - swagbot (04/07/2014) [-]
Ugh... IMO toy dogs are turds (not 'small dogs' - corgis, terriers, and dachshunds are cool).

People should just stop buying them... and I'd even be okay with ostracizing people who continue to produce demand for those inbred, schizophrenic toy dogs.

<-- The shit that nature makes is cool. The shit that human super-inbreeding makes is weird :\
#171 - All canines have these teeth in their mouth, incidentally refe… 04/07/2014 on I had fantasized about this... +3
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