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#79 - But must the lack of goodness be so complete in some cases? Fo…  [+] (1 reply) 08/21/2012 on Think about these... 0
#80 - anon (08/21/2012) [-]
Addressing the first issue: By taking that choice off the table he is limiting free will and by very definition any restraint of free will destroys it completely.

I think Jesus was a pretty convincing argument, other than that wouldn't any definitive action by God remove the faith that is central to the belief in him. If there was proof then you wouldn't need to choose to believe in him, you wouldn't be able to deny his existence.

As for the other stuff I have no idea. I struggle with the same questions.

The last point, Hell is not so much a prison of pain as it is a place separate from God, it is simply existing distinctly separated from the power and love of God.
#72 - I've heard that before as well. If you describe it as a lack o…  [+] (3 replies) 08/21/2012 on Think about these... 0
#75 - anon (08/21/2012) [-]
Then we wouldn't have free will, God could surely destroy evil in a moment but in doing so he would destroy any free will we as humans have to choose.
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#79 - cheesymuffins (08/21/2012) [-]
But must the lack of goodness be so complete in some cases? For example, a young child is abused, raped, and murdered. The person who did those things was definitely lacking a large amount of goodness, but couldn't the choice of abusing, raping, and murdering the child be taken off the table? Or, if that isn't possible, couldn't a god intent on keeping free will, but still omnibenevolent/potent/scient provide some more convincing arguments via direct contact, miracles, signs, etc to the murderer to make him choose something else?

What about cases that don't involve human choice, like deadly incurable diseases, fatal accidents, attacks by wildlife, or possible apocalyptic events (like the meteorite that destroyed the dinosaurs)?

And if god gave us free will to choose what we want, why would he punish us eternally for wrong choices? Why give entities free will but only provide one positive option? (I recognize that you didn't mention any particular belief in this particular circumstance, but it is common to many christian theologies.)
#80 - anon (08/21/2012) [-]
Addressing the first issue: By taking that choice off the table he is limiting free will and by very definition any restraint of free will destroys it completely.

I think Jesus was a pretty convincing argument, other than that wouldn't any definitive action by God remove the faith that is central to the belief in him. If there was proof then you wouldn't need to choose to believe in him, you wouldn't be able to deny his existence.

As for the other stuff I have no idea. I struggle with the same questions.

The last point, Hell is not so much a prison of pain as it is a place separate from God, it is simply existing distinctly separated from the power and love of God.
#68 - Not a christian, but was raised that way. Here's my understand…  [+] (5 replies) 08/21/2012 on Think about these... +4
#71 - anon (08/21/2012) [-]
i am lds but heres my opinion upon the whole why evil exists problem in your responce.
Evil is the lack of good. The lack of morality (or to some, faith is included) makes them evil. You cannot describe cold, thus except as the lack of heat. Evil is an example of the lack of good. Heard something like that from a source that claims to be Einstein, but stuck with me.
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#72 - cheesymuffins (08/21/2012) [-]
I've heard that before as well. If you describe it as a lack of good, does that mean people can be born inherently good, or inherently lacking good? Why would a god who is omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient allow so much lack of good, or allow it at all? Surely a god would rather a completely good world, or find ways of diminishing any gaps in goodness.
#75 - anon (08/21/2012) [-]
Then we wouldn't have free will, God could surely destroy evil in a moment but in doing so he would destroy any free will we as humans have to choose.
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#79 - cheesymuffins (08/21/2012) [-]
But must the lack of goodness be so complete in some cases? For example, a young child is abused, raped, and murdered. The person who did those things was definitely lacking a large amount of goodness, but couldn't the choice of abusing, raping, and murdering the child be taken off the table? Or, if that isn't possible, couldn't a god intent on keeping free will, but still omnibenevolent/potent/scient provide some more convincing arguments via direct contact, miracles, signs, etc to the murderer to make him choose something else?

What about cases that don't involve human choice, like deadly incurable diseases, fatal accidents, attacks by wildlife, or possible apocalyptic events (like the meteorite that destroyed the dinosaurs)?

And if god gave us free will to choose what we want, why would he punish us eternally for wrong choices? Why give entities free will but only provide one positive option? (I recognize that you didn't mention any particular belief in this particular circumstance, but it is common to many christian theologies.)
#80 - anon (08/21/2012) [-]
Addressing the first issue: By taking that choice off the table he is limiting free will and by very definition any restraint of free will destroys it completely.

I think Jesus was a pretty convincing argument, other than that wouldn't any definitive action by God remove the faith that is central to the belief in him. If there was proof then you wouldn't need to choose to believe in him, you wouldn't be able to deny his existence.

As for the other stuff I have no idea. I struggle with the same questions.

The last point, Hell is not so much a prison of pain as it is a place separate from God, it is simply existing distinctly separated from the power and love of God.
#75 - Looks like maybe a Russian from WW2. Killed before slinging a grenade.  [+] (2 replies) 08/17/2012 on Rhumba Beat 0
#98 - anon (08/17/2012) [-]
Looks like someone who once had a family that loved him. I bet his Wife died wondering where his body was.
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#105 - DropDeadShred (08/17/2012) [-]
Nah, she probably died thinking "oh shit I'm dying"