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#241 - Go and google Uganda's "Kill the Gays" Bill. It is c…  [+] (1 new reply) 08/08/2014 on Religion/Feminism post 0
#246 - cdroid (08/10/2014) [-]
Practically the entirety of the rest of the Christian community has openly denounced the actions of those for the bill in Uganda (which dropped the death penalty, not that it makes anything any better). This is exactly what I'm talking about; you're holding the actions of a few cultists against the Christian community as a whole.

Now let's talk about America. People who come out or are in support of homosexual marriage are typically practically considered heroes in America or at the very least brave. Business owners, teachers, pastors, political leaders have all done so with little to no consequence. Public figures hardly risk any negative attention anymore for doing so.
On the flip side, when someone says that they support traditional marriage, they receive negative reprocautions of all sorts. Businesses have been boycotted and teachers have been fired. Many people are afraid to support traditional marriage.

Yes, there are far more violent or at the least malicious pro-gay pickets than there are anti-gay. And usually people who simply don't want gay marriage are painted by the media as hateful people when they're having a peaceful gathering.
#236 - You're grasping at straws here and not getting the point. … 08/08/2014 on Religion/Feminism post 0
#235 - And if you want to know, Uganda is primarily Christian. … 08/08/2014 on Religion/Feminism post 0
#234 - LOL you want to bring up Africa? How about Uganda then, who wa…  [+] (3 new replies) 08/08/2014 on Religion/Feminism post 0
#239 - cdroid (08/08/2014) [-]
My point is a "simple" google search didn't bring it up. So how about you do me a favor and help me out since I can't find it? You're stating something as if it's common knowledge that really isn't. So instead of insulting me you could inform me as I asked you to the first 3 times.
User avatar #241 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
Go and google Uganda's "Kill the Gays" Bill. It is common knowledge for anyone who follows worlds news.

If you want to do a few quick numbers, I'll lay them out for you too. Uganda is 3/4 Christian. That's about 27 million Christians. Even if you want to say only 5 percent of them support "Kill the Gays" (more than that did), that's still MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS IN JUST ONE COUNTRY AGAINT HOMOSEXUALS. Now tell me how many homosexuals are anti-christian, let alone want to KILL them?

I didn't insult you a single time. All I'm saying is you are wrong. If you want to feel insulted by someone that pointing, go right ahead. I'm sure you're a perfectly fine person. That doesn't mean you can't be wrong.
#246 - cdroid (08/10/2014) [-]
Practically the entirety of the rest of the Christian community has openly denounced the actions of those for the bill in Uganda (which dropped the death penalty, not that it makes anything any better). This is exactly what I'm talking about; you're holding the actions of a few cultists against the Christian community as a whole.

Now let's talk about America. People who come out or are in support of homosexual marriage are typically practically considered heroes in America or at the very least brave. Business owners, teachers, pastors, political leaders have all done so with little to no consequence. Public figures hardly risk any negative attention anymore for doing so.
On the flip side, when someone says that they support traditional marriage, they receive negative reprocautions of all sorts. Businesses have been boycotted and teachers have been fired. Many people are afraid to support traditional marriage.

Yes, there are far more violent or at the least malicious pro-gay pickets than there are anti-gay. And usually people who simply don't want gay marriage are painted by the media as hateful people when they're having a peaceful gathering.
#233 - All those organizations want anti-gay laws. You're st…  [+] (3 new replies) 08/08/2014 on Religion/Feminism post 0
#240 - cdroid (08/08/2014) [-]
And I'm telling you you're wrong. Show me the mass of Christians who hate homosexuals. So far the closest you've come is cultists and you haven't shown me any solid evidence showing a mass of Christian hate.

I understand that all those organizations are anit-gay, but that doesn't pertain to discussing Christianity since only some of them are only loosely connected to Christianity.

I think it is likely that you are part of the LGBT community, or at least a supporter and I think it has been obvious that I am a Christian. I am yet to insult or belittle you but most of your arguments have been ad hominem (insults). Your statistics don't even hold up in your own human interaction.

Finally, you've argued that numbers matter more than percentages but I would argue the inverse since there is a far bigger Christian population than homosexual population.
User avatar #242 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
So its OK if thousands and thousands of christians want to kill homosexual, as long as it means the percentage is small? How does that even make sense?

Numbers matter more than percentages.
#245 - cdroid (08/10/2014) [-]
Now, what makes you think I'd argue that it's ever okay to want to kill homosexuals?
What I'd tell you is that the populace you describe does not exist within Christianity except for a sad few individuals who need help. The Christian community as a whole has openly denounced any behavior such as that and what I'm asking is why you are holding the actions of a few cultists who guise themselves as Christians against the community as a whole.

And you didn't answer any of my other questions. They were not rhetorical, I'm sorry if that was a confusion of yours. I actually did want an answer.
#225 - Seriously? This is the problem with you people that defend the…  [+] (3 new replies) 08/07/2014 on Religion/Feminism post 0
#231 - casualtyivvii (08/08/2014) [-]
You're right, people pick and choose, and that can be wrong. The chances of any organized ideology perfectly coinciding with your personal beliefs is pretty slim. I pick the "love thy neighbor" and "he who is without sin cast the first stone" parts. IDGAF what anyone believes, as long as their beliefs don't cause them to act in a way that hurts someone else. Chastising people who use the bible to make it OK for them to hurt anyone makes perfect sense, but it's just like condemning all liberals because these few decided to attack this man.
User avatar #226 - iviagic (08/07/2014) [-]
Like I said, I can easily pull out a verse that endorses love, tolerance, and respect for all life.

It's probably because the Bible that I'm referring to is the original Bible and not the altered version.
User avatar #236 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
You're grasping at straws here and not getting the point.

So just because the Bible says good things, its negates the bad things?

By that logic, it's OK if I'm a wife beating slave owner who can execute an entire family for the sins of the father....as long as I'm a good neighbor and feed the poor right?
#222 - What?? Just because the Bible says prostitution is pu…  [+] (6 new replies) 08/07/2014 on Religion/Feminism post 0
User avatar #224 - iviagic (08/07/2014) [-]
Oh, and it's also not enough that you read something. You must also interpret what you read. For instance, if the Bible says to be kind to thy neighbor, then you'll probably have a different interpretation as to what kind is and who your neighbors are as of now when compared to you rereading it 5 years in the future.

The problem I have with you and people with similar arguments is how you insist of oversimplifying the whole realm of discourse. Rather than treating this highly respected, multi-millenium old book as a complex piece of writing that has influenced humanity more than any other, you simply resort to cherry-picking a quote from the Bible and as if in real life you say "lel the bible is evil".

Overall, for every evil quote, you'll also find a good one. This goes back to interpretation.
User avatar #223 - iviagic (08/07/2014) [-]
I'm not gonna argue for the Bible. But it's really hard to agree with someone who cherrypicks his quotes instead of getting any form of context.

This applies to anything you read, really.
User avatar #225 - checkandmate (08/07/2014) [-]
Seriously? This is the problem with you people that defend the Bible without even reading it. Go read the Bible and tell me any single way to interpret this.

Peter 2:18: "Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel"

Advocating and fully supporting not only slavery, but also complete submission to a cruel owner. Go ahead and look for the context if you want and tell me what I'm missing.

People pick and choose the parts of the Bible they like, while ignoring the cruel aspects of it.
#231 - casualtyivvii (08/08/2014) [-]
You're right, people pick and choose, and that can be wrong. The chances of any organized ideology perfectly coinciding with your personal beliefs is pretty slim. I pick the "love thy neighbor" and "he who is without sin cast the first stone" parts. IDGAF what anyone believes, as long as their beliefs don't cause them to act in a way that hurts someone else. Chastising people who use the bible to make it OK for them to hurt anyone makes perfect sense, but it's just like condemning all liberals because these few decided to attack this man.
User avatar #226 - iviagic (08/07/2014) [-]
Like I said, I can easily pull out a verse that endorses love, tolerance, and respect for all life.

It's probably because the Bible that I'm referring to is the original Bible and not the altered version.
User avatar #236 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
You're grasping at straws here and not getting the point.

So just because the Bible says good things, its negates the bad things?

By that logic, it's OK if I'm a wife beating slave owner who can execute an entire family for the sins of the father....as long as I'm a good neighbor and feed the poor right?
#220 - I'm sorry, are you actually ignoring the decades and centuries…  [+] (6 new replies) 08/07/2014 on Religion/Feminism post 0
#228 - cdroid (08/07/2014) [-]
I did a google search "Homosexual killings by Christians" and all I found was Christians being killed in Africa. How about you help me out here if it's so simple.
User avatar #235 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
And if you want to know, Uganda is primarily Christian.

And what does Christians dying have to do with the hate on homosexuals? Its not like gay people killed those Christians. That's only a problem in North Africa because there's extremist Islamist rising up. That's completely irrelevant to our conversation.
User avatar #234 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
LOL you want to bring up Africa? How about Uganda then, who was close to passing A LAW FOR KILLING HOMOSEXUALS.

Don't be a fucking moron and selectively see what you want. There's been killings of homosexuals by Christians throughout history. Are you seriously going to say homosexuals did that to Christians too? That is a complete fucking lie. Don't ignore facts dude.
#239 - cdroid (08/08/2014) [-]
My point is a "simple" google search didn't bring it up. So how about you do me a favor and help me out since I can't find it? You're stating something as if it's common knowledge that really isn't. So instead of insulting me you could inform me as I asked you to the first 3 times.
User avatar #241 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
Go and google Uganda's "Kill the Gays" Bill. It is common knowledge for anyone who follows worlds news.

If you want to do a few quick numbers, I'll lay them out for you too. Uganda is 3/4 Christian. That's about 27 million Christians. Even if you want to say only 5 percent of them support "Kill the Gays" (more than that did), that's still MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS IN JUST ONE COUNTRY AGAINT HOMOSEXUALS. Now tell me how many homosexuals are anti-christian, let alone want to KILL them?

I didn't insult you a single time. All I'm saying is you are wrong. If you want to feel insulted by someone that pointing, go right ahead. I'm sure you're a perfectly fine person. That doesn't mean you can't be wrong.
#246 - cdroid (08/10/2014) [-]
Practically the entirety of the rest of the Christian community has openly denounced the actions of those for the bill in Uganda (which dropped the death penalty, not that it makes anything any better). This is exactly what I'm talking about; you're holding the actions of a few cultists against the Christian community as a whole.

Now let's talk about America. People who come out or are in support of homosexual marriage are typically practically considered heroes in America or at the very least brave. Business owners, teachers, pastors, political leaders have all done so with little to no consequence. Public figures hardly risk any negative attention anymore for doing so.
On the flip side, when someone says that they support traditional marriage, they receive negative reprocautions of all sorts. Businesses have been boycotted and teachers have been fired. Many people are afraid to support traditional marriage.

Yes, there are far more violent or at the least malicious pro-gay pickets than there are anti-gay. And usually people who simply don't want gay marriage are painted by the media as hateful people when they're having a peaceful gathering.
#218 - Look them all up. THEY ARE ALL ANTI-GAY. Not just Westboro Bap…  [+] (5 new replies) 08/07/2014 on Religion/Feminism post 0
#229 - cdroid (08/07/2014) [-]
Westboro is the only church you mentioned... the rest are all just organizations, some of which founded by Christian cultists. You can't possibly want to hold the actions of cultists against the rest of Christians?
User avatar #233 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
All those organizations want anti-gay laws.

You're still not getting the damn point. It doesn't matter if most Christians don't hate homosexuals. What matters is by plain NUMBERS, there are way more Christians who hate homosexuals than vice versa.

Get. It. Through. Your. Skull. Man.
#240 - cdroid (08/08/2014) [-]
And I'm telling you you're wrong. Show me the mass of Christians who hate homosexuals. So far the closest you've come is cultists and you haven't shown me any solid evidence showing a mass of Christian hate.

I understand that all those organizations are anit-gay, but that doesn't pertain to discussing Christianity since only some of them are only loosely connected to Christianity.

I think it is likely that you are part of the LGBT community, or at least a supporter and I think it has been obvious that I am a Christian. I am yet to insult or belittle you but most of your arguments have been ad hominem (insults). Your statistics don't even hold up in your own human interaction.

Finally, you've argued that numbers matter more than percentages but I would argue the inverse since there is a far bigger Christian population than homosexual population.
User avatar #242 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
So its OK if thousands and thousands of christians want to kill homosexual, as long as it means the percentage is small? How does that even make sense?

Numbers matter more than percentages.
#245 - cdroid (08/10/2014) [-]
Now, what makes you think I'd argue that it's ever okay to want to kill homosexuals?
What I'd tell you is that the populace you describe does not exist within Christianity except for a sad few individuals who need help. The Christian community as a whole has openly denounced any behavior such as that and what I'm asking is why you are holding the actions of a few cultists who guise themselves as Christians against the community as a whole.

And you didn't answer any of my other questions. They were not rhetorical, I'm sorry if that was a confusion of yours. I actually did want an answer.
#217 - Yeah... you actually haven't read the Old and New Testaments, …  [+] (8 new replies) 08/07/2014 on Religion/Feminism post 0
User avatar #219 - iviagic (08/07/2014) [-]
It's irrelevant as to whether or not I've read them; I'm not a Christian/Catholic.

I'm saying this as a person who has common sense. You can point out verses of war, violence, terror, hate, oppression, etc. but you also have to consider that just because the Bible mentions something vindictive, doesn't mean the Bible agrees with it.
User avatar #222 - checkandmate (08/07/2014) [-]
What??

Just because the Bible says prostitution is punished by burning the woman alive (Leviticus 21:9) doesn't mean the Bible believes it?

That's what you call a contradiction and circular reasoning buddy.
User avatar #224 - iviagic (08/07/2014) [-]
Oh, and it's also not enough that you read something. You must also interpret what you read. For instance, if the Bible says to be kind to thy neighbor, then you'll probably have a different interpretation as to what kind is and who your neighbors are as of now when compared to you rereading it 5 years in the future.

The problem I have with you and people with similar arguments is how you insist of oversimplifying the whole realm of discourse. Rather than treating this highly respected, multi-millenium old book as a complex piece of writing that has influenced humanity more than any other, you simply resort to cherry-picking a quote from the Bible and as if in real life you say "lel the bible is evil".

Overall, for every evil quote, you'll also find a good one. This goes back to interpretation.
User avatar #223 - iviagic (08/07/2014) [-]
I'm not gonna argue for the Bible. But it's really hard to agree with someone who cherrypicks his quotes instead of getting any form of context.

This applies to anything you read, really.
User avatar #225 - checkandmate (08/07/2014) [-]
Seriously? This is the problem with you people that defend the Bible without even reading it. Go read the Bible and tell me any single way to interpret this.

Peter 2:18: "Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel"

Advocating and fully supporting not only slavery, but also complete submission to a cruel owner. Go ahead and look for the context if you want and tell me what I'm missing.

People pick and choose the parts of the Bible they like, while ignoring the cruel aspects of it.
#231 - casualtyivvii (08/08/2014) [-]
You're right, people pick and choose, and that can be wrong. The chances of any organized ideology perfectly coinciding with your personal beliefs is pretty slim. I pick the "love thy neighbor" and "he who is without sin cast the first stone" parts. IDGAF what anyone believes, as long as their beliefs don't cause them to act in a way that hurts someone else. Chastising people who use the bible to make it OK for them to hurt anyone makes perfect sense, but it's just like condemning all liberals because these few decided to attack this man.
User avatar #226 - iviagic (08/07/2014) [-]
Like I said, I can easily pull out a verse that endorses love, tolerance, and respect for all life.

It's probably because the Bible that I'm referring to is the original Bible and not the altered version.
User avatar #236 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
You're grasping at straws here and not getting the point.

So just because the Bible says good things, its negates the bad things?

By that logic, it's OK if I'm a wife beating slave owner who can execute an entire family for the sins of the father....as long as I'm a good neighbor and feed the poor right?
#147 - American Family Association Parents Action League West…  [+] (8 new replies) 08/07/2014 on Religion/Feminism post +1
#159 - dehumanizer (08/07/2014) [-]
its called atheism
#157 - cdroid (08/07/2014) [-]
Churches and pastors have openly denounced these groups... Explain to me how you can hold them against Christians as a whole?
Westboro Baptist church doesn't even believe in what are considered the tenets of Christianity so the best way to define them is as a cult.

Now here's the kicker; there are 450,000 churches in america and you just named one that is anti gay. Please explaing to me how that dictates the norm?
User avatar #218 - checkandmate (08/07/2014) [-]
Look them all up. THEY ARE ALL ANTI-GAY. Not just Westboro Baptist.

And you still aren't getting the point, are you? I'm NOT TALKING ABOUT MAJORITYS. I'm talking about sheer numbers: BY NUMBERS, there are exponentially more Christians that are anti-gay than homosexuals that are anti-Christiam.
#229 - cdroid (08/07/2014) [-]
Westboro is the only church you mentioned... the rest are all just organizations, some of which founded by Christian cultists. You can't possibly want to hold the actions of cultists against the rest of Christians?
User avatar #233 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
All those organizations want anti-gay laws.

You're still not getting the damn point. It doesn't matter if most Christians don't hate homosexuals. What matters is by plain NUMBERS, there are way more Christians who hate homosexuals than vice versa.

Get. It. Through. Your. Skull. Man.
#240 - cdroid (08/08/2014) [-]
And I'm telling you you're wrong. Show me the mass of Christians who hate homosexuals. So far the closest you've come is cultists and you haven't shown me any solid evidence showing a mass of Christian hate.

I understand that all those organizations are anit-gay, but that doesn't pertain to discussing Christianity since only some of them are only loosely connected to Christianity.

I think it is likely that you are part of the LGBT community, or at least a supporter and I think it has been obvious that I am a Christian. I am yet to insult or belittle you but most of your arguments have been ad hominem (insults). Your statistics don't even hold up in your own human interaction.

Finally, you've argued that numbers matter more than percentages but I would argue the inverse since there is a far bigger Christian population than homosexual population.
User avatar #242 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
So its OK if thousands and thousands of christians want to kill homosexual, as long as it means the percentage is small? How does that even make sense?

Numbers matter more than percentages.
#245 - cdroid (08/10/2014) [-]
Now, what makes you think I'd argue that it's ever okay to want to kill homosexuals?
What I'd tell you is that the populace you describe does not exist within Christianity except for a sad few individuals who need help. The Christian community as a whole has openly denounced any behavior such as that and what I'm asking is why you are holding the actions of a few cultists who guise themselves as Christians against the community as a whole.

And you didn't answer any of my other questions. They were not rhetorical, I'm sorry if that was a confusion of yours. I actually did want an answer.
#140 - I'm not saying that it represents the majority. I'm saying mor… 08/07/2014 on Religion/Feminism post 0
#137 - Yeah,only that's empirically and completely false. Christians …  [+] (9 new replies) 08/07/2014 on Religion/Feminism post 0
#160 - cdroid (08/07/2014) [-]
I could care less what Muslims do, are you holding Christians responsible for Muslim actions?

If it's factual cite your source.
User avatar #220 - checkandmate (08/07/2014) [-]
I'm sorry, are you actually ignoring the decades and centuries of homosexual killings by Christian churches? A simple google search will tell you that.
#228 - cdroid (08/07/2014) [-]
I did a google search "Homosexual killings by Christians" and all I found was Christians being killed in Africa. How about you help me out here if it's so simple.
User avatar #235 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
And if you want to know, Uganda is primarily Christian.

And what does Christians dying have to do with the hate on homosexuals? Its not like gay people killed those Christians. That's only a problem in North Africa because there's extremist Islamist rising up. That's completely irrelevant to our conversation.
User avatar #234 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
LOL you want to bring up Africa? How about Uganda then, who was close to passing A LAW FOR KILLING HOMOSEXUALS.

Don't be a fucking moron and selectively see what you want. There's been killings of homosexuals by Christians throughout history. Are you seriously going to say homosexuals did that to Christians too? That is a complete fucking lie. Don't ignore facts dude.
#239 - cdroid (08/08/2014) [-]
My point is a "simple" google search didn't bring it up. So how about you do me a favor and help me out since I can't find it? You're stating something as if it's common knowledge that really isn't. So instead of insulting me you could inform me as I asked you to the first 3 times.
User avatar #241 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
Go and google Uganda's "Kill the Gays" Bill. It is common knowledge for anyone who follows worlds news.

If you want to do a few quick numbers, I'll lay them out for you too. Uganda is 3/4 Christian. That's about 27 million Christians. Even if you want to say only 5 percent of them support "Kill the Gays" (more than that did), that's still MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS IN JUST ONE COUNTRY AGAINT HOMOSEXUALS. Now tell me how many homosexuals are anti-christian, let alone want to KILL them?

I didn't insult you a single time. All I'm saying is you are wrong. If you want to feel insulted by someone that pointing, go right ahead. I'm sure you're a perfectly fine person. That doesn't mean you can't be wrong.
#246 - cdroid (08/10/2014) [-]
Practically the entirety of the rest of the Christian community has openly denounced the actions of those for the bill in Uganda (which dropped the death penalty, not that it makes anything any better). This is exactly what I'm talking about; you're holding the actions of a few cultists against the Christian community as a whole.

Now let's talk about America. People who come out or are in support of homosexual marriage are typically practically considered heroes in America or at the very least brave. Business owners, teachers, pastors, political leaders have all done so with little to no consequence. Public figures hardly risk any negative attention anymore for doing so.
On the flip side, when someone says that they support traditional marriage, they receive negative reprocautions of all sorts. Businesses have been boycotted and teachers have been fired. Many people are afraid to support traditional marriage.

Yes, there are far more violent or at the least malicious pro-gay pickets than there are anti-gay. And usually people who simply don't want gay marriage are painted by the media as hateful people when they're having a peaceful gathering.
User avatar #140 - checkandmate (08/07/2014) [-]
I'm not saying that it represents the majority. I'm saying more Christians hate homosexuals than vice versa.
#116 - He didn't attack the priest. He stated what the religion this …  [+] (10 new replies) 08/07/2014 on Religion/Feminism post 0
User avatar #181 - iviagic (08/07/2014) [-]
And that would be wrong.

His religion is not the culprit; it's simply the individual kings and oppressors that utilized Christianity as a tool to establish and maintain a grip on their people.

If not in religion, an oppressor will do it in the name of social darwinism and progression as we've seen in WW1 and WW2.
User avatar #217 - checkandmate (08/07/2014) [-]
Yeah... you actually haven't read the Old and New Testaments, have you?
User avatar #219 - iviagic (08/07/2014) [-]
It's irrelevant as to whether or not I've read them; I'm not a Christian/Catholic.

I'm saying this as a person who has common sense. You can point out verses of war, violence, terror, hate, oppression, etc. but you also have to consider that just because the Bible mentions something vindictive, doesn't mean the Bible agrees with it.
User avatar #222 - checkandmate (08/07/2014) [-]
What??

Just because the Bible says prostitution is punished by burning the woman alive (Leviticus 21:9) doesn't mean the Bible believes it?

That's what you call a contradiction and circular reasoning buddy.
User avatar #224 - iviagic (08/07/2014) [-]
Oh, and it's also not enough that you read something. You must also interpret what you read. For instance, if the Bible says to be kind to thy neighbor, then you'll probably have a different interpretation as to what kind is and who your neighbors are as of now when compared to you rereading it 5 years in the future.

The problem I have with you and people with similar arguments is how you insist of oversimplifying the whole realm of discourse. Rather than treating this highly respected, multi-millenium old book as a complex piece of writing that has influenced humanity more than any other, you simply resort to cherry-picking a quote from the Bible and as if in real life you say "lel the bible is evil".

Overall, for every evil quote, you'll also find a good one. This goes back to interpretation.
User avatar #223 - iviagic (08/07/2014) [-]
I'm not gonna argue for the Bible. But it's really hard to agree with someone who cherrypicks his quotes instead of getting any form of context.

This applies to anything you read, really.
User avatar #225 - checkandmate (08/07/2014) [-]
Seriously? This is the problem with you people that defend the Bible without even reading it. Go read the Bible and tell me any single way to interpret this.

Peter 2:18: "Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel"

Advocating and fully supporting not only slavery, but also complete submission to a cruel owner. Go ahead and look for the context if you want and tell me what I'm missing.

People pick and choose the parts of the Bible they like, while ignoring the cruel aspects of it.
#231 - casualtyivvii (08/08/2014) [-]
You're right, people pick and choose, and that can be wrong. The chances of any organized ideology perfectly coinciding with your personal beliefs is pretty slim. I pick the "love thy neighbor" and "he who is without sin cast the first stone" parts. IDGAF what anyone believes, as long as their beliefs don't cause them to act in a way that hurts someone else. Chastising people who use the bible to make it OK for them to hurt anyone makes perfect sense, but it's just like condemning all liberals because these few decided to attack this man.
User avatar #226 - iviagic (08/07/2014) [-]
Like I said, I can easily pull out a verse that endorses love, tolerance, and respect for all life.

It's probably because the Bible that I'm referring to is the original Bible and not the altered version.
User avatar #236 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
You're grasping at straws here and not getting the point.

So just because the Bible says good things, its negates the bad things?

By that logic, it's OK if I'm a wife beating slave owner who can execute an entire family for the sins of the father....as long as I'm a good neighbor and feed the poor right?
#113 - Yes, because this totally represents the majority, right? …  [+] (21 new replies) 08/07/2014 on Religion/Feminism post +13
#134 - cdroid (08/07/2014) [-]
That's how I feel every time I see a picture showing "christians" hating on gays. Have you stopped to consider that the majority has already been grossly misrepresented and perhaps this post is how things actually typically are?
User avatar #147 - checkandmate (08/07/2014) [-]
American Family Association
Parents Action League
Westboro Baptist Church
Traditional Values Coalition
Ruth Institute
United Families International
Heterosexuals Organized for a Moral Environment (H.O.M.E.)

Just to name a hanful of anti-gay organizations. How many gay organizations exist that are anti-christian?

Tell me how this post represents how things "actually typically are" again?
#159 - dehumanizer (08/07/2014) [-]
its called atheism
#157 - cdroid (08/07/2014) [-]
Churches and pastors have openly denounced these groups... Explain to me how you can hold them against Christians as a whole?
Westboro Baptist church doesn't even believe in what are considered the tenets of Christianity so the best way to define them is as a cult.

Now here's the kicker; there are 450,000 churches in america and you just named one that is anti gay. Please explaing to me how that dictates the norm?
User avatar #218 - checkandmate (08/07/2014) [-]
Look them all up. THEY ARE ALL ANTI-GAY. Not just Westboro Baptist.

And you still aren't getting the point, are you? I'm NOT TALKING ABOUT MAJORITYS. I'm talking about sheer numbers: BY NUMBERS, there are exponentially more Christians that are anti-gay than homosexuals that are anti-Christiam.
#229 - cdroid (08/07/2014) [-]
Westboro is the only church you mentioned... the rest are all just organizations, some of which founded by Christian cultists. You can't possibly want to hold the actions of cultists against the rest of Christians?
User avatar #233 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
All those organizations want anti-gay laws.

You're still not getting the damn point. It doesn't matter if most Christians don't hate homosexuals. What matters is by plain NUMBERS, there are way more Christians who hate homosexuals than vice versa.

Get. It. Through. Your. Skull. Man.
#240 - cdroid (08/08/2014) [-]
And I'm telling you you're wrong. Show me the mass of Christians who hate homosexuals. So far the closest you've come is cultists and you haven't shown me any solid evidence showing a mass of Christian hate.

I understand that all those organizations are anit-gay, but that doesn't pertain to discussing Christianity since only some of them are only loosely connected to Christianity.

I think it is likely that you are part of the LGBT community, or at least a supporter and I think it has been obvious that I am a Christian. I am yet to insult or belittle you but most of your arguments have been ad hominem (insults). Your statistics don't even hold up in your own human interaction.

Finally, you've argued that numbers matter more than percentages but I would argue the inverse since there is a far bigger Christian population than homosexual population.
User avatar #242 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
So its OK if thousands and thousands of christians want to kill homosexual, as long as it means the percentage is small? How does that even make sense?

Numbers matter more than percentages.
#245 - cdroid (08/10/2014) [-]
Now, what makes you think I'd argue that it's ever okay to want to kill homosexuals?
What I'd tell you is that the populace you describe does not exist within Christianity except for a sad few individuals who need help. The Christian community as a whole has openly denounced any behavior such as that and what I'm asking is why you are holding the actions of a few cultists who guise themselves as Christians against the community as a whole.

And you didn't answer any of my other questions. They were not rhetorical, I'm sorry if that was a confusion of yours. I actually did want an answer.
#137 - checkandmate (08/07/2014) [-]
Yeah,only that's empirically and completely false. Christians and Muslims are FACTUALLY known to hate, bully, beat, and even kill homosexuals. How many homosexuals are known for that?

Christians have anti-gay parades. Homosexuals have gay pride parades, not anti-christian parades.
#160 - cdroid (08/07/2014) [-]
I could care less what Muslims do, are you holding Christians responsible for Muslim actions?

If it's factual cite your source.
User avatar #220 - checkandmate (08/07/2014) [-]
I'm sorry, are you actually ignoring the decades and centuries of homosexual killings by Christian churches? A simple google search will tell you that.
#228 - cdroid (08/07/2014) [-]
I did a google search "Homosexual killings by Christians" and all I found was Christians being killed in Africa. How about you help me out here if it's so simple.
User avatar #235 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
And if you want to know, Uganda is primarily Christian.

And what does Christians dying have to do with the hate on homosexuals? Its not like gay people killed those Christians. That's only a problem in North Africa because there's extremist Islamist rising up. That's completely irrelevant to our conversation.
User avatar #234 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
LOL you want to bring up Africa? How about Uganda then, who was close to passing A LAW FOR KILLING HOMOSEXUALS.

Don't be a fucking moron and selectively see what you want. There's been killings of homosexuals by Christians throughout history. Are you seriously going to say homosexuals did that to Christians too? That is a complete fucking lie. Don't ignore facts dude.
#239 - cdroid (08/08/2014) [-]
My point is a "simple" google search didn't bring it up. So how about you do me a favor and help me out since I can't find it? You're stating something as if it's common knowledge that really isn't. So instead of insulting me you could inform me as I asked you to the first 3 times.
User avatar #241 - checkandmate (08/08/2014) [-]
Go and google Uganda's "Kill the Gays" Bill. It is common knowledge for anyone who follows worlds news.

If you want to do a few quick numbers, I'll lay them out for you too. Uganda is 3/4 Christian. That's about 27 million Christians. Even if you want to say only 5 percent of them support "Kill the Gays" (more than that did), that's still MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS IN JUST ONE COUNTRY AGAINT HOMOSEXUALS. Now tell me how many homosexuals are anti-christian, let alone want to KILL them?

I didn't insult you a single time. All I'm saying is you are wrong. If you want to feel insulted by someone that pointing, go right ahead. I'm sure you're a perfectly fine person. That doesn't mean you can't be wrong.
#246 - cdroid (08/10/2014) [-]
Practically the entirety of the rest of the Christian community has openly denounced the actions of those for the bill in Uganda (which dropped the death penalty, not that it makes anything any better). This is exactly what I'm talking about; you're holding the actions of a few cultists against the Christian community as a whole.

Now let's talk about America. People who come out or are in support of homosexual marriage are typically practically considered heroes in America or at the very least brave. Business owners, teachers, pastors, political leaders have all done so with little to no consequence. Public figures hardly risk any negative attention anymore for doing so.
On the flip side, when someone says that they support traditional marriage, they receive negative reprocautions of all sorts. Businesses have been boycotted and teachers have been fired. Many people are afraid to support traditional marriage.

Yes, there are far more violent or at the least malicious pro-gay pickets than there are anti-gay. And usually people who simply don't want gay marriage are painted by the media as hateful people when they're having a peaceful gathering.
User avatar #140 - checkandmate (08/07/2014) [-]
I'm not saying that it represents the majority. I'm saying more Christians hate homosexuals than vice versa.
User avatar #119 - aesis (08/07/2014) [-]
Unfortunately it's these people who get noticed and who create an image for everyone else.
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