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#40 - somekindofname (11/18/2014) [-]
Actually how do we know that? No one would know what was inside that library, the records burnt with it and books didn't exactly get mass produced (Gutenberg wasn't born yet, and china weren't exactly in the closet neighborhood to put it that way).
Even in that era priceless works would be kept in one place, and scholars were renowned for having studied in Alexandria, no?
And where did the eqyptians keep the information and holy texts of and empire almost as old as human history? All we know of egypt today stems from the walls of their pyramids (amazing buildings that we have had problems with, well into the modern era)?
Where did all the information about this civilization go? They wouldn't just write it all down on the walls of pharaohs, no? Even if only the information of Egypt was lost, it's still a massive loss for our species as a whole seeing as they were one of the early originators of our world.
I'm really curious, like really curious. Historyexplain?
#53 - castlelord (11/18/2014) [-]
I can not say I am well schooled on the matter of Egyptians, but I do know answers to your questions.
It is true what you say that books weren't mass produced, however, books were still copied between libraries and most importantly: They were translated.
The translations are important as it meant one book was then transported to a different place, one wouldn't have much use for a Celtic book in Alexandria for example. So translated versions of books survived, the Vatican library holds such books for example. You can see digital scans of such books here: digital.vatlib.it/en/ (They even have Aztec writing!)
And yes, some people were known for studying in Alexandria, but the majority of people often chose to study under great people rather than read their way to knowledge as Egypt wasn't exactly the promised land for many people of non Egyptian decent. (The royal family was 100% Greek sure, but the people spoke Egyptian) Think of Socrates and Plato. (And the fact that Socrates taught Alexander the great)
The Egyptians had records sure, but the problem with a good amount is that they were written on wood and papyrus, two things that don't survive well in deserts. Another important bit to remember here is the sheer time span between the Ancient Egyptians and the same people under Rome. (The pyramids of Giza were built some 2500 years before the Romans came along)
On the information: We didn't lose any information really as I said, the reason for this is that people at the time were not huge readers, the fancied the teacher student type of learning where master craftsmen taught students their skills so that they would live on. And yeah, they didn't only write it down on walls, but the walls are best known as Stone doesn't crumble under the sun like wood does. Multiple papyri have been found, but a lot of them are damaged and repairs take time, so we'll just have to wait and see.
Feel free to ask questions as before.
#38 - somekindofname (11/18/2014) [-]
Ok, I see your point and will retract red thumb from Kulamia. Still, if the library had lasted it would probably have held copies of philosphical works and something about the pyramids.
Possibly even how the roman arcitecture worked which we wouldn't figure out untill several thousand years later. And since most of important Europe (at the time) got sacked and burnt by barbarians, gots, huns and vandals +++ I would have preffered that an important, if nothing else, copyhouse was kept so that we had anything other than scattered documents (I know we have more, but a possible concentrated mass of documents, well preserved history and philosphy would have been nice).
What we had in later eras was random tidbits found in the attics of closters and churches from the roman era. And extremely strong arcitecture that stands today and would not be found again untill we finally realized how to copy it... in the 19th or 20th century, I mean fucking seriously? But I will retract the red thumb for I now see his point... and you weren't anon right now btw.
Have a green thumb. And thanks for sources.
#60 - castlelord (11/18/2014) [-]
I didn't see your last message, feel free to ignore this post.
The first answer here might sound tacky and rude, but it is hard to avoid:
Roman architecture wasn't really lost there. Why? Because the Romans never fancied the library. The Romans preferred keeping their written stuff closer to home in Rome, Athens, Herculaneum and other cities such as Massilia.
The main library was damaged under Cesar in 48BC while the great roman engineering wonders such as the Colosseum were made in 70AD and the Pantheon in 126AD so information regarding their construction wouldn't really have been lost there. Roman engineering was lost due to a wide number of reasons including the attacks on Constantinople under the East Roman Empire.
On the second paragraph: These copy houses exited you know: We call them two things today: Churches and the Vatican. Yes, the church played a huge role in keeping ancient texts safe during the harsh times caused by the fall of the western Roman empire. They worked really hard to salvage all they could and store it in a safe way, one way was that they sent it out of the Western Empire into the Eastern one. (Athens was liked for this) Aye, we lost some works during these times, but none of scientific importance, the cultural hit was decent though.
Another important thing to mention here is that a lot of roman technology wasn't kept around because people stopped using it, large cities fell out of fashion during the times after the fall of Western Rome so people didn't need aqueducts or great concrete buildings. This is also why a lot of these buildings are shabby today as people stopped taking care of them. (Another is the fact that people used to steal stuff from them) The kinda special thing here is that Roman concrete isn't that hard to replicate, people just didn't really consider using volcanic ash in it for a good while after the Romans crumbled.
Ah yes, I forgot to remove the anon bit when the text got too long. Happy to help though.
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