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#211 - I know, that's why I near constantly tried to separate "C…  [+] (1 new reply) 11/08/2013 on feels right 0
#213 - swagbot (11/08/2013) [-]
Understood. Hence the Green Thumb on your OP







...and in an interesting way, you were actually completely right: The only way to really fix even clinical depression is to man up and actually solve ones' problems... it's just harder for them.
#209 - ...Yes, yes that is exactly what I am saying. Everyone who has…  [+] (9 new replies) 11/08/2013 on feels right 0
#212 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
Actually. I have tried to do something about it. Once I came off the drugs because they didn't work i went to see a councilor. Who actually understands how people with depression feel and how to handle it.

She took me a few steps on how to deal with it. Depression isn't something that vanishes but it can be made to be easier to cope with, and coping is a little different for everyone. Some harm themselves because the feeling of emotional numbness is broken by the stimulation of pain and the following releasing of endorphins into the system.

Some people it is destruction, taking control of something in a powerful way but sadly these are destructive means to something that can be helped in other ways. For me it was exercise, i felt useless, and unwanted and ugly and like i couldn't do something or be good at something and i was told to excersise, and i did. Every other day i do a routine and each time i can do it for a little longer which gives me a rather good sense of achievment. When i feel down i run or do jumps, just pushing myself to do something active. A few times though i have felt just too shoddy to even do it, which is where relapse can happen, where you just feel a sense of "what's the point?" and stop... which is where you need someone else to help, rather than handing you another potato and saying "pfft get over it already" you need someone to hand you a peeler, and go through it WITH you.

Depression is very real
I guess depression is a little like being colour blind, you can't really understand it unless you have it.
User avatar #216 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Sorry, *Posted in reply to you for the first time
User avatar #215 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well first off, none of what I posted in my reply was genuine, I was just angry.

I'm sorry about that. Please excuse my outburst and my immaturity for that brief period.

I assure you I believe none of what I posted below, but I am simply so frustrated and tired of explaining myself over, and over, and over. It seems that most of the hate I am acquiring here is not because of what I said, but because of what people THINK I said, and every second person seems to be trying so hard to put words into my mouth that you can see the strain they put into their arm.

As a genuine reply... No, I was not saying that at all, what I was saying was that effort breeds results (for the fifth time), and that it is better to try and make your circumstances better than complain of how they are not.

I'm well aware Depression is a disorder, as I have stated it in many comments multiple times, I am aware that some drugs don't work, I have explained why this was (that it was not caused by a chemical imbalance, I.E. something the drug was meant to fix), and in the off-chance it is NOT caused by attitude or mood, I am sure in my faith that there absolutely is something to help, some type of pill or system.

Perhaps I am to blame for being more rational for emotional, but I never realized why people let silly things bother-them. I know what over-thinking can do to a person, but surely this behaviour is not over-thinking. I fully admit this is something I do not understand, although I would surely like to.

Have you considered that your problems are not caused by a chemical imbalance, but rather, your circumstances?

You're right, such an action is awful and is why I'm against it. I do have an understanding on the subject, thank you; I am well acquainted with suffering, pain, sorrow, and crippling sadness, and more-so I am aware of what people with Depression go through. It's cute that so many people tell me I cannot understand, yet insist they understand the feelings of others themselves.
User avatar #218 - hydraetis (11/08/2013) [-]
My issue is that you claim to not understand but a lot of your arguments made it sound like you either thought you knew everything about it or that you refused to accept anything that everyone was saying.
User avatar #232 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well yes, that's really what you DO when you debate or have an opinion.

Well ya, how else would I get any type of point across. "I think it works like this, oh wait, it doesn't? Sorry, nevermind, I completely changed my views". I'm not a Wikipedia, I believe it works in a Black-And-White sense, and so far every piece of evidence that it doesn't has only been how people feel about it, even that guy studying to be a pharmacist. Really, me claiming to know about this is no different than them claiming they know about the experience of EVERYONE who's ever suffered from it. Furthermore, of course I will refuse to accept what someone is saying if I disagree with it, because in the end we're only throwing opinions at eachother; if they produced evidence or even a logical argument as to why it does NOT work in such a way, I would change my views.
User avatar #254 - hydraetis (11/09/2013) [-]
Depression turned me from being some super happy kid who could never be brought down into an apathetic bastard who has taken a knife to his neck multiple times just because he was bored and felt like seeing some blood.

Unless you can say that human nature is black and white (which it absolutely isn't, otherwise true communism and true capitalism would have worked), you can't say that mental problems like depression are as well. Even coming from my own completely cynical point of view I can tell this fact.

And if we go back to my argument about the common cold, you said that we don't have a cure for it because its always evolving. Well, if that can constantly change, then why can't depression and every other complex mental illness?
#217 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
If your truly understood, then you wouldn't be getting so many thumbs down. I have read your other comments....

you have said that there are new drugs coming out, this is true but no guarantee that they will work, and sometimes the side effects can be worse. Like suicidal thoughts.

The term "effort breeds content" is exactly what depressed people don't want to hear, it is another "if you try you will get better" and while this is half true it doesn't address the problem directly. For starters it is very hard to get motivation.

A good simile for this i read once is this (not exact quoting)
Depression is like being in a fast flowing river, with uneven ground and you are trying to reach the top. Each step is hard and you often find yourself stuck and clinging to a rock or branch to stay afloat. You see others passing you with ease saying "go on, it's not hard" or "just put your back into it" and then passing on without a helping hand, and so you stay stuck in the river, unable to move and watching everyone else pass you.

Depression is near impossible to get out of on your own, you need someone there to help. The reason for this is that your motivation is sapped and you really can't start something for yourself, that or you just see no point in doing so, and having someone there to push you forwards rather than just telling you to do it yourself is the key.

I can see what you are saying, but just one thing you need to see. Mental disorders never go away, but they can be made easier. In my case i have my councilor who i check up with once a week but what i didn't say was that it took someone close to me to address that i was suffering internally and made me go and see her.

For a long time i resisted.

I asked my friend for a lift to the post office and instead of taking me to where i wanted to be she took me to the councilor.

I still have depression, but it is much easier to deal with now and I would never have done it without a real kick up my arse.
User avatar #233 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Thumbs aren't for understanding, they're for opinions. The fact I'm thumbed down doesn't so much mean that I don't understand, it just means that what I have to say isn't popular; saying I'm wrong because of my red thumbs is like saying someone on the playground doesn't deserve happiness because most people bully him. You see?

Obviously not, otherwise I wouldn't have to reaffirm much of what I've already said. I could literally begin copy-pasting arguments just out of past things I've said at this point.

Yes, because Depressed people aren't having suicidal thoughts already... In any case, I've already talked about this too, and have already affirmed that any type of side-effect is worth it if it gives you life or peace of mind, after that it is just a matter of opinions. Just as well, it's true that having new ones come out isn't a guarantee they will work, but it does increase the likelihood that there is something for you.

Okay, so now you're saying that I'm wrong because you don't want to try. Alright then... In any case, yes, if you try, things get done, this is a common rule of life, effort breeds results. You're right, it doesn't; I apologize for placing my trust in people that they understand themselves on a personal level better than I do, and would know what makes them happy and seek that out. How so? Again, this is what I've been having trouble understanding; to me, the very IDEA of being content and happy is enough to motivate me.

And then you scorn them and say they must not understand, right? In any case, they've given you plenty of helping hands; self help groups, pills, systems, boards and forums, doctors, psychiatrists, and even personal things like what you enjoy, friends, and family. The problem is that many people who are Depressed don't see a point, and just try one of these things and give up for dead.

Well, in that case, I would like to become your friend. Perhaps we can help eachother.

Well why? Why did you put up such a fight?
#250 - Lacuna (11/09/2013) [-]
People with depression just can't get that motivation to try. Yes effort breeds results, but getting that effort is the hard part. But people with depression just can't. You seem to think that depressed people can just do it if they want to but a lot of them don't see themselves ever getting better, if you don't think it will work then why try? It is a vicious cycle and a truly sad one.

And yes, the idea of being happy would motivate people to do better. Like people who are overweight and think that being thinner would make them happier, they then go out and lose weight. Or people who want to learn another language. But depression works a little different, it plays on your mind and tells you that you can never get better, than you are useless and can't do anything, and that you aren't worth it, that being happy is beyond you and that you deserve to be unhappy. People who are depressed can't see a way out a lot of the time. I think this is the part that you don't understand

Yes effort breeds results.
The idea of being happier does create motivation.
People with depression can't see this. It isn't obvious to them and when the light is shone on them, they see it as out of reach. They don't try because it seems pointless. That is where the problem lies, low self esteem and seeing themselves as unworthy.

I resisted and fought help for a long time because I thought it was a waste of time. Pills were the easiest thing (I live in the UK so they are free) but they made me feel worse. I puked, got no sleep and so on.

I didn't think anyone could help, people kept telling me to do things but getting anywhere good just seemed so far out of my reach, like this was who I was and there was no point in changing, that I couldn't change. I just took a real forceful push to get me to where i needed to be.

Don't just tell someone "You have to put effort in" because they just can't see it. you really have to push them into the first step or it never gets taken.
#202 - I never said it was, as a matter of fact, in many of my commen…  [+] (11 new replies) 11/08/2013 on feels right 0
#206 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
So you are basically saying "IT IS YOUR FAULT YOU HAVE DEPRESSION BECAUSE YOU AREN'T DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT, GET BETTER ALREADY, GOD!" which is what people with depression get all.the.time.

Depression is a disorder, sometimes the drugs don't work and in some cases they make you feel worse and it isn't always about what it in your life. Sadly Depression can just happen even if your life is great or not, it can pop up even if you feel like it shouldn't be happening.

I have had depression for a while, it isn't like it is always there. I can be happy a lot of the time, playing games and what not and then at some point during the day i start to feel down... and it doesn't get better and i just feel drained and tired, lacking the enthusiasm to eat or watch tv, play a game or go outside for a walk, I don't want to do anything and my lack of motivation gets frustraiting, like i want to be interested but just can't and i end up walking around the house for a while, then it gets worse and i start feeling like i can't do anything right, like i am useless and that because i have such little impact on the world no one will miss me when i am gone, and i start thinking about how much easier it would be on everyone else that i didn't exist... then i cry for a while and go to sleep if i can. Sometimes feel better the next day but this can go on for a few days, any little thing could set me off crying again. I remember once i dropped the lid to a jar of jam and that made me cry... for really no reason and it felt stupid to cry and something so small... but i did anyway. You know you are being silly, but you can't stop it.

I tried taking medication, but it actually made me feel a hell of a lot worse, it would make me vomit and tired, didn't want to get out of bed and it made my depression worse and last weeks rather than just a few hours/days.

Wallowing in self pity is an awful way to do it, you have no understanding on the subject and what people with depression go through.
User avatar #209 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
...Yes, yes that is exactly what I am saying. Everyone who has Depression is just a weak pathetic loser, and I am an ignorant asshole that you can feel superior over as you go to sleep.

Depression is not a disorder, it isn't even real, all drugs are bad, but they never make you feel worse and are in fact good, I'm just stupid because I'm conservative. Legalize it.

You don't have Depression, Depression isn't real, none of this is real, we all just live in a Matrix world, a Matrix world where apparently people substitute what I'm actually saying for what they want me to say.

You didn't try anything, you just did nothing, you dirty dirty hippie.

Wallowing in self-pity is awful, except when I do it, then I'm deep and misunderstood. You're right, I don't understand a single thing that a master like yourself can comprehend, but I'm still gonna think I'm better than you and I'm too stupid to listen.
#212 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
Actually. I have tried to do something about it. Once I came off the drugs because they didn't work i went to see a councilor. Who actually understands how people with depression feel and how to handle it.

She took me a few steps on how to deal with it. Depression isn't something that vanishes but it can be made to be easier to cope with, and coping is a little different for everyone. Some harm themselves because the feeling of emotional numbness is broken by the stimulation of pain and the following releasing of endorphins into the system.

Some people it is destruction, taking control of something in a powerful way but sadly these are destructive means to something that can be helped in other ways. For me it was exercise, i felt useless, and unwanted and ugly and like i couldn't do something or be good at something and i was told to excersise, and i did. Every other day i do a routine and each time i can do it for a little longer which gives me a rather good sense of achievment. When i feel down i run or do jumps, just pushing myself to do something active. A few times though i have felt just too shoddy to even do it, which is where relapse can happen, where you just feel a sense of "what's the point?" and stop... which is where you need someone else to help, rather than handing you another potato and saying "pfft get over it already" you need someone to hand you a peeler, and go through it WITH you.

Depression is very real
I guess depression is a little like being colour blind, you can't really understand it unless you have it.
User avatar #216 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Sorry, *Posted in reply to you for the first time
User avatar #215 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well first off, none of what I posted in my reply was genuine, I was just angry.

I'm sorry about that. Please excuse my outburst and my immaturity for that brief period.

I assure you I believe none of what I posted below, but I am simply so frustrated and tired of explaining myself over, and over, and over. It seems that most of the hate I am acquiring here is not because of what I said, but because of what people THINK I said, and every second person seems to be trying so hard to put words into my mouth that you can see the strain they put into their arm.

As a genuine reply... No, I was not saying that at all, what I was saying was that effort breeds results (for the fifth time), and that it is better to try and make your circumstances better than complain of how they are not.

I'm well aware Depression is a disorder, as I have stated it in many comments multiple times, I am aware that some drugs don't work, I have explained why this was (that it was not caused by a chemical imbalance, I.E. something the drug was meant to fix), and in the off-chance it is NOT caused by attitude or mood, I am sure in my faith that there absolutely is something to help, some type of pill or system.

Perhaps I am to blame for being more rational for emotional, but I never realized why people let silly things bother-them. I know what over-thinking can do to a person, but surely this behaviour is not over-thinking. I fully admit this is something I do not understand, although I would surely like to.

Have you considered that your problems are not caused by a chemical imbalance, but rather, your circumstances?

You're right, such an action is awful and is why I'm against it. I do have an understanding on the subject, thank you; I am well acquainted with suffering, pain, sorrow, and crippling sadness, and more-so I am aware of what people with Depression go through. It's cute that so many people tell me I cannot understand, yet insist they understand the feelings of others themselves.
User avatar #218 - hydraetis (11/08/2013) [-]
My issue is that you claim to not understand but a lot of your arguments made it sound like you either thought you knew everything about it or that you refused to accept anything that everyone was saying.
User avatar #232 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well yes, that's really what you DO when you debate or have an opinion.

Well ya, how else would I get any type of point across. "I think it works like this, oh wait, it doesn't? Sorry, nevermind, I completely changed my views". I'm not a Wikipedia, I believe it works in a Black-And-White sense, and so far every piece of evidence that it doesn't has only been how people feel about it, even that guy studying to be a pharmacist. Really, me claiming to know about this is no different than them claiming they know about the experience of EVERYONE who's ever suffered from it. Furthermore, of course I will refuse to accept what someone is saying if I disagree with it, because in the end we're only throwing opinions at eachother; if they produced evidence or even a logical argument as to why it does NOT work in such a way, I would change my views.
User avatar #254 - hydraetis (11/09/2013) [-]
Depression turned me from being some super happy kid who could never be brought down into an apathetic bastard who has taken a knife to his neck multiple times just because he was bored and felt like seeing some blood.

Unless you can say that human nature is black and white (which it absolutely isn't, otherwise true communism and true capitalism would have worked), you can't say that mental problems like depression are as well. Even coming from my own completely cynical point of view I can tell this fact.

And if we go back to my argument about the common cold, you said that we don't have a cure for it because its always evolving. Well, if that can constantly change, then why can't depression and every other complex mental illness?
#217 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
If your truly understood, then you wouldn't be getting so many thumbs down. I have read your other comments....

you have said that there are new drugs coming out, this is true but no guarantee that they will work, and sometimes the side effects can be worse. Like suicidal thoughts.

The term "effort breeds content" is exactly what depressed people don't want to hear, it is another "if you try you will get better" and while this is half true it doesn't address the problem directly. For starters it is very hard to get motivation.

A good simile for this i read once is this (not exact quoting)
Depression is like being in a fast flowing river, with uneven ground and you are trying to reach the top. Each step is hard and you often find yourself stuck and clinging to a rock or branch to stay afloat. You see others passing you with ease saying "go on, it's not hard" or "just put your back into it" and then passing on without a helping hand, and so you stay stuck in the river, unable to move and watching everyone else pass you.

Depression is near impossible to get out of on your own, you need someone there to help. The reason for this is that your motivation is sapped and you really can't start something for yourself, that or you just see no point in doing so, and having someone there to push you forwards rather than just telling you to do it yourself is the key.

I can see what you are saying, but just one thing you need to see. Mental disorders never go away, but they can be made easier. In my case i have my councilor who i check up with once a week but what i didn't say was that it took someone close to me to address that i was suffering internally and made me go and see her.

For a long time i resisted.

I asked my friend for a lift to the post office and instead of taking me to where i wanted to be she took me to the councilor.

I still have depression, but it is much easier to deal with now and I would never have done it without a real kick up my arse.
User avatar #233 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Thumbs aren't for understanding, they're for opinions. The fact I'm thumbed down doesn't so much mean that I don't understand, it just means that what I have to say isn't popular; saying I'm wrong because of my red thumbs is like saying someone on the playground doesn't deserve happiness because most people bully him. You see?

Obviously not, otherwise I wouldn't have to reaffirm much of what I've already said. I could literally begin copy-pasting arguments just out of past things I've said at this point.

Yes, because Depressed people aren't having suicidal thoughts already... In any case, I've already talked about this too, and have already affirmed that any type of side-effect is worth it if it gives you life or peace of mind, after that it is just a matter of opinions. Just as well, it's true that having new ones come out isn't a guarantee they will work, but it does increase the likelihood that there is something for you.

Okay, so now you're saying that I'm wrong because you don't want to try. Alright then... In any case, yes, if you try, things get done, this is a common rule of life, effort breeds results. You're right, it doesn't; I apologize for placing my trust in people that they understand themselves on a personal level better than I do, and would know what makes them happy and seek that out. How so? Again, this is what I've been having trouble understanding; to me, the very IDEA of being content and happy is enough to motivate me.

And then you scorn them and say they must not understand, right? In any case, they've given you plenty of helping hands; self help groups, pills, systems, boards and forums, doctors, psychiatrists, and even personal things like what you enjoy, friends, and family. The problem is that many people who are Depressed don't see a point, and just try one of these things and give up for dead.

Well, in that case, I would like to become your friend. Perhaps we can help eachother.

Well why? Why did you put up such a fight?
#250 - Lacuna (11/09/2013) [-]
People with depression just can't get that motivation to try. Yes effort breeds results, but getting that effort is the hard part. But people with depression just can't. You seem to think that depressed people can just do it if they want to but a lot of them don't see themselves ever getting better, if you don't think it will work then why try? It is a vicious cycle and a truly sad one.

And yes, the idea of being happy would motivate people to do better. Like people who are overweight and think that being thinner would make them happier, they then go out and lose weight. Or people who want to learn another language. But depression works a little different, it plays on your mind and tells you that you can never get better, than you are useless and can't do anything, and that you aren't worth it, that being happy is beyond you and that you deserve to be unhappy. People who are depressed can't see a way out a lot of the time. I think this is the part that you don't understand

Yes effort breeds results.
The idea of being happier does create motivation.
People with depression can't see this. It isn't obvious to them and when the light is shone on them, they see it as out of reach. They don't try because it seems pointless. That is where the problem lies, low self esteem and seeing themselves as unworthy.

I resisted and fought help for a long time because I thought it was a waste of time. Pills were the easiest thing (I live in the UK so they are free) but they made me feel worse. I puked, got no sleep and so on.

I didn't think anyone could help, people kept telling me to do things but getting anywhere good just seemed so far out of my reach, like this was who I was and there was no point in changing, that I couldn't change. I just took a real forceful push to get me to where i needed to be.

Don't just tell someone "You have to put effort in" because they just can't see it. you really have to push them into the first step or it never gets taken.
#195 - Not necessarily. It's complicated for different reasons, but i…  [+] (13 new replies) 11/08/2013 on feels right 0
User avatar #200 - hydraetis (11/08/2013) [-]
Which is not just simply downing anti-depressants.
User avatar #202 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
I never said it was, as a matter of fact, in many of my comments including my first, I mentioned many ways for one to help with Depression. Regardless of what people THINK I said, I promise that all I actually said in a nutshell was that Effort breeds Results, and that it is better to try with no motivation than wallow in self pity.
#206 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
So you are basically saying "IT IS YOUR FAULT YOU HAVE DEPRESSION BECAUSE YOU AREN'T DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT, GET BETTER ALREADY, GOD!" which is what people with depression get all.the.time.

Depression is a disorder, sometimes the drugs don't work and in some cases they make you feel worse and it isn't always about what it in your life. Sadly Depression can just happen even if your life is great or not, it can pop up even if you feel like it shouldn't be happening.

I have had depression for a while, it isn't like it is always there. I can be happy a lot of the time, playing games and what not and then at some point during the day i start to feel down... and it doesn't get better and i just feel drained and tired, lacking the enthusiasm to eat or watch tv, play a game or go outside for a walk, I don't want to do anything and my lack of motivation gets frustraiting, like i want to be interested but just can't and i end up walking around the house for a while, then it gets worse and i start feeling like i can't do anything right, like i am useless and that because i have such little impact on the world no one will miss me when i am gone, and i start thinking about how much easier it would be on everyone else that i didn't exist... then i cry for a while and go to sleep if i can. Sometimes feel better the next day but this can go on for a few days, any little thing could set me off crying again. I remember once i dropped the lid to a jar of jam and that made me cry... for really no reason and it felt stupid to cry and something so small... but i did anyway. You know you are being silly, but you can't stop it.

I tried taking medication, but it actually made me feel a hell of a lot worse, it would make me vomit and tired, didn't want to get out of bed and it made my depression worse and last weeks rather than just a few hours/days.

Wallowing in self pity is an awful way to do it, you have no understanding on the subject and what people with depression go through.
User avatar #209 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
...Yes, yes that is exactly what I am saying. Everyone who has Depression is just a weak pathetic loser, and I am an ignorant asshole that you can feel superior over as you go to sleep.

Depression is not a disorder, it isn't even real, all drugs are bad, but they never make you feel worse and are in fact good, I'm just stupid because I'm conservative. Legalize it.

You don't have Depression, Depression isn't real, none of this is real, we all just live in a Matrix world, a Matrix world where apparently people substitute what I'm actually saying for what they want me to say.

You didn't try anything, you just did nothing, you dirty dirty hippie.

Wallowing in self-pity is awful, except when I do it, then I'm deep and misunderstood. You're right, I don't understand a single thing that a master like yourself can comprehend, but I'm still gonna think I'm better than you and I'm too stupid to listen.
#212 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
Actually. I have tried to do something about it. Once I came off the drugs because they didn't work i went to see a councilor. Who actually understands how people with depression feel and how to handle it.

She took me a few steps on how to deal with it. Depression isn't something that vanishes but it can be made to be easier to cope with, and coping is a little different for everyone. Some harm themselves because the feeling of emotional numbness is broken by the stimulation of pain and the following releasing of endorphins into the system.

Some people it is destruction, taking control of something in a powerful way but sadly these are destructive means to something that can be helped in other ways. For me it was exercise, i felt useless, and unwanted and ugly and like i couldn't do something or be good at something and i was told to excersise, and i did. Every other day i do a routine and each time i can do it for a little longer which gives me a rather good sense of achievment. When i feel down i run or do jumps, just pushing myself to do something active. A few times though i have felt just too shoddy to even do it, which is where relapse can happen, where you just feel a sense of "what's the point?" and stop... which is where you need someone else to help, rather than handing you another potato and saying "pfft get over it already" you need someone to hand you a peeler, and go through it WITH you.

Depression is very real
I guess depression is a little like being colour blind, you can't really understand it unless you have it.
User avatar #216 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Sorry, *Posted in reply to you for the first time
User avatar #215 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well first off, none of what I posted in my reply was genuine, I was just angry.

I'm sorry about that. Please excuse my outburst and my immaturity for that brief period.

I assure you I believe none of what I posted below, but I am simply so frustrated and tired of explaining myself over, and over, and over. It seems that most of the hate I am acquiring here is not because of what I said, but because of what people THINK I said, and every second person seems to be trying so hard to put words into my mouth that you can see the strain they put into their arm.

As a genuine reply... No, I was not saying that at all, what I was saying was that effort breeds results (for the fifth time), and that it is better to try and make your circumstances better than complain of how they are not.

I'm well aware Depression is a disorder, as I have stated it in many comments multiple times, I am aware that some drugs don't work, I have explained why this was (that it was not caused by a chemical imbalance, I.E. something the drug was meant to fix), and in the off-chance it is NOT caused by attitude or mood, I am sure in my faith that there absolutely is something to help, some type of pill or system.

Perhaps I am to blame for being more rational for emotional, but I never realized why people let silly things bother-them. I know what over-thinking can do to a person, but surely this behaviour is not over-thinking. I fully admit this is something I do not understand, although I would surely like to.

Have you considered that your problems are not caused by a chemical imbalance, but rather, your circumstances?

You're right, such an action is awful and is why I'm against it. I do have an understanding on the subject, thank you; I am well acquainted with suffering, pain, sorrow, and crippling sadness, and more-so I am aware of what people with Depression go through. It's cute that so many people tell me I cannot understand, yet insist they understand the feelings of others themselves.
User avatar #218 - hydraetis (11/08/2013) [-]
My issue is that you claim to not understand but a lot of your arguments made it sound like you either thought you knew everything about it or that you refused to accept anything that everyone was saying.
User avatar #232 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well yes, that's really what you DO when you debate or have an opinion.

Well ya, how else would I get any type of point across. "I think it works like this, oh wait, it doesn't? Sorry, nevermind, I completely changed my views". I'm not a Wikipedia, I believe it works in a Black-And-White sense, and so far every piece of evidence that it doesn't has only been how people feel about it, even that guy studying to be a pharmacist. Really, me claiming to know about this is no different than them claiming they know about the experience of EVERYONE who's ever suffered from it. Furthermore, of course I will refuse to accept what someone is saying if I disagree with it, because in the end we're only throwing opinions at eachother; if they produced evidence or even a logical argument as to why it does NOT work in such a way, I would change my views.
User avatar #254 - hydraetis (11/09/2013) [-]
Depression turned me from being some super happy kid who could never be brought down into an apathetic bastard who has taken a knife to his neck multiple times just because he was bored and felt like seeing some blood.

Unless you can say that human nature is black and white (which it absolutely isn't, otherwise true communism and true capitalism would have worked), you can't say that mental problems like depression are as well. Even coming from my own completely cynical point of view I can tell this fact.

And if we go back to my argument about the common cold, you said that we don't have a cure for it because its always evolving. Well, if that can constantly change, then why can't depression and every other complex mental illness?
#217 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
If your truly understood, then you wouldn't be getting so many thumbs down. I have read your other comments....

you have said that there are new drugs coming out, this is true but no guarantee that they will work, and sometimes the side effects can be worse. Like suicidal thoughts.

The term "effort breeds content" is exactly what depressed people don't want to hear, it is another "if you try you will get better" and while this is half true it doesn't address the problem directly. For starters it is very hard to get motivation.

A good simile for this i read once is this (not exact quoting)
Depression is like being in a fast flowing river, with uneven ground and you are trying to reach the top. Each step is hard and you often find yourself stuck and clinging to a rock or branch to stay afloat. You see others passing you with ease saying "go on, it's not hard" or "just put your back into it" and then passing on without a helping hand, and so you stay stuck in the river, unable to move and watching everyone else pass you.

Depression is near impossible to get out of on your own, you need someone there to help. The reason for this is that your motivation is sapped and you really can't start something for yourself, that or you just see no point in doing so, and having someone there to push you forwards rather than just telling you to do it yourself is the key.

I can see what you are saying, but just one thing you need to see. Mental disorders never go away, but they can be made easier. In my case i have my councilor who i check up with once a week but what i didn't say was that it took someone close to me to address that i was suffering internally and made me go and see her.

For a long time i resisted.

I asked my friend for a lift to the post office and instead of taking me to where i wanted to be she took me to the councilor.

I still have depression, but it is much easier to deal with now and I would never have done it without a real kick up my arse.
User avatar #233 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Thumbs aren't for understanding, they're for opinions. The fact I'm thumbed down doesn't so much mean that I don't understand, it just means that what I have to say isn't popular; saying I'm wrong because of my red thumbs is like saying someone on the playground doesn't deserve happiness because most people bully him. You see?

Obviously not, otherwise I wouldn't have to reaffirm much of what I've already said. I could literally begin copy-pasting arguments just out of past things I've said at this point.

Yes, because Depressed people aren't having suicidal thoughts already... In any case, I've already talked about this too, and have already affirmed that any type of side-effect is worth it if it gives you life or peace of mind, after that it is just a matter of opinions. Just as well, it's true that having new ones come out isn't a guarantee they will work, but it does increase the likelihood that there is something for you.

Okay, so now you're saying that I'm wrong because you don't want to try. Alright then... In any case, yes, if you try, things get done, this is a common rule of life, effort breeds results. You're right, it doesn't; I apologize for placing my trust in people that they understand themselves on a personal level better than I do, and would know what makes them happy and seek that out. How so? Again, this is what I've been having trouble understanding; to me, the very IDEA of being content and happy is enough to motivate me.

And then you scorn them and say they must not understand, right? In any case, they've given you plenty of helping hands; self help groups, pills, systems, boards and forums, doctors, psychiatrists, and even personal things like what you enjoy, friends, and family. The problem is that many people who are Depressed don't see a point, and just try one of these things and give up for dead.

Well, in that case, I would like to become your friend. Perhaps we can help eachother.

Well why? Why did you put up such a fight?
#250 - Lacuna (11/09/2013) [-]
People with depression just can't get that motivation to try. Yes effort breeds results, but getting that effort is the hard part. But people with depression just can't. You seem to think that depressed people can just do it if they want to but a lot of them don't see themselves ever getting better, if you don't think it will work then why try? It is a vicious cycle and a truly sad one.

And yes, the idea of being happy would motivate people to do better. Like people who are overweight and think that being thinner would make them happier, they then go out and lose weight. Or people who want to learn another language. But depression works a little different, it plays on your mind and tells you that you can never get better, than you are useless and can't do anything, and that you aren't worth it, that being happy is beyond you and that you deserve to be unhappy. People who are depressed can't see a way out a lot of the time. I think this is the part that you don't understand

Yes effort breeds results.
The idea of being happier does create motivation.
People with depression can't see this. It isn't obvious to them and when the light is shone on them, they see it as out of reach. They don't try because it seems pointless. That is where the problem lies, low self esteem and seeing themselves as unworthy.

I resisted and fought help for a long time because I thought it was a waste of time. Pills were the easiest thing (I live in the UK so they are free) but they made me feel worse. I puked, got no sleep and so on.

I didn't think anyone could help, people kept telling me to do things but getting anywhere good just seemed so far out of my reach, like this was who I was and there was no point in changing, that I couldn't change. I just took a real forceful push to get me to where i needed to be.

Don't just tell someone "You have to put effort in" because they just can't see it. you really have to push them into the first step or it never gets taken.
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#193 - xkeiko (11/08/2013) [-]
Because, as you stated, it's mental. That's much more complicated.

It is not a parasite you can blow up with medicine.
User avatar #195 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Not necessarily. It's complicated for different reasons, but if you got a psychiatrist and a biologist in a room and asked them which one was harder to pin, they would surely get into a fist-fight.

It's not a parasite, but it is a disorder and a problem, and if a problem can be caused it can be fixed, it's just a matter of finding the right thing to fix it with.
User avatar #200 - hydraetis (11/08/2013) [-]
Which is not just simply downing anti-depressants.
User avatar #202 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
I never said it was, as a matter of fact, in many of my comments including my first, I mentioned many ways for one to help with Depression. Regardless of what people THINK I said, I promise that all I actually said in a nutshell was that Effort breeds Results, and that it is better to try with no motivation than wallow in self pity.
#206 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
So you are basically saying "IT IS YOUR FAULT YOU HAVE DEPRESSION BECAUSE YOU AREN'T DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT, GET BETTER ALREADY, GOD!" which is what people with depression get all.the.time.

Depression is a disorder, sometimes the drugs don't work and in some cases they make you feel worse and it isn't always about what it in your life. Sadly Depression can just happen even if your life is great or not, it can pop up even if you feel like it shouldn't be happening.

I have had depression for a while, it isn't like it is always there. I can be happy a lot of the time, playing games and what not and then at some point during the day i start to feel down... and it doesn't get better and i just feel drained and tired, lacking the enthusiasm to eat or watch tv, play a game or go outside for a walk, I don't want to do anything and my lack of motivation gets frustraiting, like i want to be interested but just can't and i end up walking around the house for a while, then it gets worse and i start feeling like i can't do anything right, like i am useless and that because i have such little impact on the world no one will miss me when i am gone, and i start thinking about how much easier it would be on everyone else that i didn't exist... then i cry for a while and go to sleep if i can. Sometimes feel better the next day but this can go on for a few days, any little thing could set me off crying again. I remember once i dropped the lid to a jar of jam and that made me cry... for really no reason and it felt stupid to cry and something so small... but i did anyway. You know you are being silly, but you can't stop it.

I tried taking medication, but it actually made me feel a hell of a lot worse, it would make me vomit and tired, didn't want to get out of bed and it made my depression worse and last weeks rather than just a few hours/days.

Wallowing in self pity is an awful way to do it, you have no understanding on the subject and what people with depression go through.
User avatar #209 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
...Yes, yes that is exactly what I am saying. Everyone who has Depression is just a weak pathetic loser, and I am an ignorant asshole that you can feel superior over as you go to sleep.

Depression is not a disorder, it isn't even real, all drugs are bad, but they never make you feel worse and are in fact good, I'm just stupid because I'm conservative. Legalize it.

You don't have Depression, Depression isn't real, none of this is real, we all just live in a Matrix world, a Matrix world where apparently people substitute what I'm actually saying for what they want me to say.

You didn't try anything, you just did nothing, you dirty dirty hippie.

Wallowing in self-pity is awful, except when I do it, then I'm deep and misunderstood. You're right, I don't understand a single thing that a master like yourself can comprehend, but I'm still gonna think I'm better than you and I'm too stupid to listen.
#212 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
Actually. I have tried to do something about it. Once I came off the drugs because they didn't work i went to see a councilor. Who actually understands how people with depression feel and how to handle it.

She took me a few steps on how to deal with it. Depression isn't something that vanishes but it can be made to be easier to cope with, and coping is a little different for everyone. Some harm themselves because the feeling of emotional numbness is broken by the stimulation of pain and the following releasing of endorphins into the system.

Some people it is destruction, taking control of something in a powerful way but sadly these are destructive means to something that can be helped in other ways. For me it was exercise, i felt useless, and unwanted and ugly and like i couldn't do something or be good at something and i was told to excersise, and i did. Every other day i do a routine and each time i can do it for a little longer which gives me a rather good sense of achievment. When i feel down i run or do jumps, just pushing myself to do something active. A few times though i have felt just too shoddy to even do it, which is where relapse can happen, where you just feel a sense of "what's the point?" and stop... which is where you need someone else to help, rather than handing you another potato and saying "pfft get over it already" you need someone to hand you a peeler, and go through it WITH you.

Depression is very real
I guess depression is a little like being colour blind, you can't really understand it unless you have it.
User avatar #216 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Sorry, *Posted in reply to you for the first time
User avatar #215 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well first off, none of what I posted in my reply was genuine, I was just angry.

I'm sorry about that. Please excuse my outburst and my immaturity for that brief period.

I assure you I believe none of what I posted below, but I am simply so frustrated and tired of explaining myself over, and over, and over. It seems that most of the hate I am acquiring here is not because of what I said, but because of what people THINK I said, and every second person seems to be trying so hard to put words into my mouth that you can see the strain they put into their arm.

As a genuine reply... No, I was not saying that at all, what I was saying was that effort breeds results (for the fifth time), and that it is better to try and make your circumstances better than complain of how they are not.

I'm well aware Depression is a disorder, as I have stated it in many comments multiple times, I am aware that some drugs don't work, I have explained why this was (that it was not caused by a chemical imbalance, I.E. something the drug was meant to fix), and in the off-chance it is NOT caused by attitude or mood, I am sure in my faith that there absolutely is something to help, some type of pill or system.

Perhaps I am to blame for being more rational for emotional, but I never realized why people let silly things bother-them. I know what over-thinking can do to a person, but surely this behaviour is not over-thinking. I fully admit this is something I do not understand, although I would surely like to.

Have you considered that your problems are not caused by a chemical imbalance, but rather, your circumstances?

You're right, such an action is awful and is why I'm against it. I do have an understanding on the subject, thank you; I am well acquainted with suffering, pain, sorrow, and crippling sadness, and more-so I am aware of what people with Depression go through. It's cute that so many people tell me I cannot understand, yet insist they understand the feelings of others themselves.
User avatar #218 - hydraetis (11/08/2013) [-]
My issue is that you claim to not understand but a lot of your arguments made it sound like you either thought you knew everything about it or that you refused to accept anything that everyone was saying.
User avatar #232 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well yes, that's really what you DO when you debate or have an opinion.

Well ya, how else would I get any type of point across. "I think it works like this, oh wait, it doesn't? Sorry, nevermind, I completely changed my views". I'm not a Wikipedia, I believe it works in a Black-And-White sense, and so far every piece of evidence that it doesn't has only been how people feel about it, even that guy studying to be a pharmacist. Really, me claiming to know about this is no different than them claiming they know about the experience of EVERYONE who's ever suffered from it. Furthermore, of course I will refuse to accept what someone is saying if I disagree with it, because in the end we're only throwing opinions at eachother; if they produced evidence or even a logical argument as to why it does NOT work in such a way, I would change my views.
User avatar #254 - hydraetis (11/09/2013) [-]
Depression turned me from being some super happy kid who could never be brought down into an apathetic bastard who has taken a knife to his neck multiple times just because he was bored and felt like seeing some blood.

Unless you can say that human nature is black and white (which it absolutely isn't, otherwise true communism and true capitalism would have worked), you can't say that mental problems like depression are as well. Even coming from my own completely cynical point of view I can tell this fact.

And if we go back to my argument about the common cold, you said that we don't have a cure for it because its always evolving. Well, if that can constantly change, then why can't depression and every other complex mental illness?
#217 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
If your truly understood, then you wouldn't be getting so many thumbs down. I have read your other comments....

you have said that there are new drugs coming out, this is true but no guarantee that they will work, and sometimes the side effects can be worse. Like suicidal thoughts.

The term "effort breeds content" is exactly what depressed people don't want to hear, it is another "if you try you will get better" and while this is half true it doesn't address the problem directly. For starters it is very hard to get motivation.

A good simile for this i read once is this (not exact quoting)
Depression is like being in a fast flowing river, with uneven ground and you are trying to reach the top. Each step is hard and you often find yourself stuck and clinging to a rock or branch to stay afloat. You see others passing you with ease saying "go on, it's not hard" or "just put your back into it" and then passing on without a helping hand, and so you stay stuck in the river, unable to move and watching everyone else pass you.

Depression is near impossible to get out of on your own, you need someone there to help. The reason for this is that your motivation is sapped and you really can't start something for yourself, that or you just see no point in doing so, and having someone there to push you forwards rather than just telling you to do it yourself is the key.

I can see what you are saying, but just one thing you need to see. Mental disorders never go away, but they can be made easier. In my case i have my councilor who i check up with once a week but what i didn't say was that it took someone close to me to address that i was suffering internally and made me go and see her.

For a long time i resisted.

I asked my friend for a lift to the post office and instead of taking me to where i wanted to be she took me to the councilor.

I still have depression, but it is much easier to deal with now and I would never have done it without a real kick up my arse.
User avatar #233 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Thumbs aren't for understanding, they're for opinions. The fact I'm thumbed down doesn't so much mean that I don't understand, it just means that what I have to say isn't popular; saying I'm wrong because of my red thumbs is like saying someone on the playground doesn't deserve happiness because most people bully him. You see?

Obviously not, otherwise I wouldn't have to reaffirm much of what I've already said. I could literally begin copy-pasting arguments just out of past things I've said at this point.

Yes, because Depressed people aren't having suicidal thoughts already... In any case, I've already talked about this too, and have already affirmed that any type of side-effect is worth it if it gives you life or peace of mind, after that it is just a matter of opinions. Just as well, it's true that having new ones come out isn't a guarantee they will work, but it does increase the likelihood that there is something for you.

Okay, so now you're saying that I'm wrong because you don't want to try. Alright then... In any case, yes, if you try, things get done, this is a common rule of life, effort breeds results. You're right, it doesn't; I apologize for placing my trust in people that they understand themselves on a personal level better than I do, and would know what makes them happy and seek that out. How so? Again, this is what I've been having trouble understanding; to me, the very IDEA of being content and happy is enough to motivate me.

And then you scorn them and say they must not understand, right? In any case, they've given you plenty of helping hands; self help groups, pills, systems, boards and forums, doctors, psychiatrists, and even personal things like what you enjoy, friends, and family. The problem is that many people who are Depressed don't see a point, and just try one of these things and give up for dead.

Well, in that case, I would like to become your friend. Perhaps we can help eachother.

Well why? Why did you put up such a fight?
#250 - Lacuna (11/09/2013) [-]
People with depression just can't get that motivation to try. Yes effort breeds results, but getting that effort is the hard part. But people with depression just can't. You seem to think that depressed people can just do it if they want to but a lot of them don't see themselves ever getting better, if you don't think it will work then why try? It is a vicious cycle and a truly sad one.

And yes, the idea of being happy would motivate people to do better. Like people who are overweight and think that being thinner would make them happier, they then go out and lose weight. Or people who want to learn another language. But depression works a little different, it plays on your mind and tells you that you can never get better, than you are useless and can't do anything, and that you aren't worth it, that being happy is beyond you and that you deserve to be unhappy. People who are depressed can't see a way out a lot of the time. I think this is the part that you don't understand

Yes effort breeds results.
The idea of being happier does create motivation.
People with depression can't see this. It isn't obvious to them and when the light is shone on them, they see it as out of reach. They don't try because it seems pointless. That is where the problem lies, low self esteem and seeing themselves as unworthy.

I resisted and fought help for a long time because I thought it was a waste of time. Pills were the easiest thing (I live in the UK so they are free) but they made me feel worse. I puked, got no sleep and so on.

I didn't think anyone could help, people kept telling me to do things but getting anywhere good just seemed so far out of my reach, like this was who I was and there was no point in changing, that I couldn't change. I just took a real forceful push to get me to where i needed to be.

Don't just tell someone "You have to put effort in" because they just can't see it. you really have to push them into the first step or it never gets taken.
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User avatar #182 - xeternalx (11/08/2013) [-]
thank you very much, i'm glad you're a good person, i look forward to any future chat's we may have. I'll remember your advice.
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User avatar #187 - organicglory (11/08/2013) [-]
bro, we all have out own problems, but none are all the same. As a kid who found his dead mom who committed suicide when I was 4 years old, raised by an abusive cunt of a stepmom and dad my whole life, then losing my dad to cancer last year, being one of the most hated kids in high school for no reason, I would have to say I have it worse than anyone I know. On top of that, I also have the chemical imbalance of seretonin in my brain, leading to severe depression nonetheless. If you're gonna call someone a little bitch for being depressed cause of shit like that, that makes you a fucking asshole. you can't fix every fucking wrong thing that happens.
User avatar #194 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
That's nice, although I didn't ask. Your personal struggles do not give you any more weight to your knowledge than mine, because it isn't about experience, it's about perspective.

I have never, not once, in any of my comments, or even my life, called someone a 'little bitch' for a genuine disorder. Which is why I said you should read more carefully. What I said was that you should always TRY to make your life better, regardless of motivation. Whether through pills, hard work, effort, or even just soul-searching. It is all those around me who have claimed that once you have it, your life is over and nothing can be done to fix it.
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User avatar #176 - xeternalx (11/08/2013) [-]
i thank you very much, I've actually been feeling suicidal for a little bit now, so i'll keep in mind that there's someone who will listen. Thank you again.
User avatar #181 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
It's my pleasure. As hard as it is for me to admit I've been in that spot before, so I know how much a friend can help; but never forget that your foremost friend is you. You can do anything you want in this world, and I promise that there is not a single thing that hard work does not yield. If I were to tell you that you have more potential than you could ever know, I would only be affirming truth.
User avatar #182 - xeternalx (11/08/2013) [-]
thank you very much, i'm glad you're a good person, i look forward to any future chat's we may have. I'll remember your advice.
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#224 - vobilitus (11/08/2013) [-]
Oh, sure. But is that really a fair example?

Even with a broken leg, you'd rush (or crawl) to the rescue of somebody you cared for. That doesn't make the broken leg less of a serious issue.

The thing is that depression makes you want to do nothing. Your brain convinces you that you'll fail in some way, and you'll get hurt on some level.
I think that you should study this subject in more depth if you really want to understand, because it's not so easy as to just "do something".
User avatar #226 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
I never said it didn't. I understand that Depression is a very serious and real issue that must be solved, what I'm saying, and what I've always been saying, is that only effort breeds results, and that sitting down and sulking does nothing. I'm not saying they are whining or attention whoring or weak willed or anything, what I'm literally saying is "Doing something is better than nothing, even if you don't feel like it is".
#231 - vobilitus (11/08/2013) [-]
Yeah, of course it is - usually.

What I thought you meant was that kind of retarded "Well, the world is your oyster. Climb a mountain and you'll get better, Bro."-stuff.

However, doing something is difficult in that particular state of mind, just as it's difficult to move on broken legs.
Your self-esteem plummets, and you avoid getting help, because you think that your condition is somehow less serious than somebody else's, and you don't want to waste anybody's time.

I understand that you feel that one should do something, but it's that very thing which is impossible for most people with depression.
Your reasoning is sound, were it not for the human factor.
User avatar #234 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Ya, that's what everyone thinks I'm saying...

But then you're still just doing it to yourself, that doesn't change the issue. I understand it's difficult to move on broken legs, but surely you don't just say "No, I'm not going to try and move or heal them at all" and just sit there. I understand that many people do try to help themselves, but in the end they just bandage their arm instead; there are many reasons that one might have Depression, and addressing only one or two of them is sure to fail.

Mm, if you say so.
#236 - vobilitus (11/08/2013) [-]
This is why people don't expect you to understand; because you haven't experienced it first-hand.

I respect you as an individual, but I think that you're wrong, and I doubt that we'll come to a consensus here.
How about we just end this conversation and go our seperate ways, rather than bang on about what we think and feel?
User avatar #237 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
You don't know that. That's why I'm astounded by the hypocrisy of people on this picture, because they constantly talk about how it's impossible for someone to understand, then immediately turn and talk as if they understand the experience of every person around them.

Very well, that seems the most reasonable. Have a good day sir, and enjoy the rest of your life.
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#219 - thecrayzeeman (11/08/2013) [-]
He has a point though.

Fake depression is when you can pinpoint it's cause, and when you can get rid of it easily.

Real depression - well I can't explain it, but I'll try with a personal example: It was a Friday, I had no schoolwork to do, the weather was cloudy just the way I like it , all I had was go to school, chill for a few hours, go home and play video games, or watch a movie, whatever. And I had the whole weekend infront of me.

And yet, I've felt hopeless, miserable, worthless, hateful, angry, sad, etc. It felt like a demon was clawing it's way through my soul. I wanted to just disappear, just quit until it goes away. I've lost the will to exist. And it wasn't just that day, the feeling continued on for weeks, I've tried to sort of shut it out by doing what makes me happy, but it was still in the background of everything I did, this constant dread following me, like a noose around my neck waiting to be pulled.

And yes, I did have suicidal thoughts, but I have those almost every day, so it was nothing out of the ordinary I'm missing a few screws in my head by a few I mean a fuckton , but that was the time I've actually wanted to go through with it, just to fucking end it. Luckily, my mind sees it as a sign of weakness, so I know I'll never actually kill myself, but trust me, seeing every knife as an exit path is not pleasant, especially when you're actually, for lack of a better word, motivated to kill yourself.
User avatar #229 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
I see. So to you, if someone can manage to solve their problem, it automatically means it wasn't bad, regardless of the effort or strain they put into solving it? Wow, and people say I'M the asshole...

Well it's a shame you feel that way about yourself, because I certainly don't see you that way. Perhaps your problem is deeper than that, I'm going to assume you've tried taking pills and changing your circumstances, so I will simply say that perhaps your problem is more internal. You may have something in your subconscious bugging you or bringing you down that you just can't sort, or maybe you subconsciously don't like yourself or any of your traits and thus see self-destruction as a way out, when an even better way out would be to try and improve yourself, and realize the boundless potential that I know you have.
#245 - thecrayzeeman (11/08/2013) [-]
You're putting words in my mouth. I said if you can get rid of your depression easily, then it probably wasn't serious. If it takes serious effort, it's a whole different thing.

However "fake depressions" can actually bolster the effects of real ones, which is a real pain in the ass.

Also, that was a long time ago, I've learned how to successfully shut it out now, I've managed it, but some people have a much more severe problem.
User avatar #247 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Perhaps, and I apologize for that, but it's not as if I was incorrect. It seems many people are judging a level of suffering based upon how easy it is to deal with, which would mean that a child experiencing the death of his parents is less traumatizing than a tween losing her cell-phone if the aforementioned child happens to handle it better.

I'm glad you've had success in this endeavour, and I certainly hope it never comes back to haunt you. If you ever need to talk, feel free to find me and I will be glad to be your friend.
User avatar #223 - hanabro (11/08/2013) [-]
This is me. This, right here, is true depression.

Saying you can will away depression is like telling yourself to will away brain cancer: If you truly have it, it's not that simple. Nowadays, people throw around "depressed" if they're sad for more than a couple hours about something.

My family has a history of suicidal depression. I've got it too. Medicine doesn't help, it just makes me feel completely empty, which makes it worse.
User avatar #230 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Eh. I wouldn't exactly judge the amount of pain someone goes through by exactly how easily they solved it, that just seems unfair; that's literally saying "Oh, you've never actually broken your arm before, and if you managed to pop it back in and heal it yourself it means that it never was broken".

I never said you could will-away Depression. What I'm saying, and been saying this entire time, is that effort breeds results, and you can only change when you try. If you just sit and do nothing, nothing will ever get better.

Well I've seen first-hand how the apple can fall far from the tree. Perhaps you're stuck in this rut of Depression because you've convinced yourself that there is no way out.
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User avatar #242 - onewithpokerface (11/08/2013) [-]
Yes, it does depend on the person. It is not objective, it is subjective. But obviously, those who can "will" it over don't suffer from depression, because as I said, it's the inability to will it over. If someone were to be sad or "depressed" for a day, and then will it over, I'm not saying they didn't suffer, but depression is conventionally defined as something that goes on for a long period of time, with the inability to change.

Let's take me for example. My grandfather recently was diagnosed with multiple myeloma, a blood plasma cancer. Normally, cancer is a very difficult subject for families. However, my mother and I, along with grandpa and his wife, took the news quite well, almost casually. All it means for us is he has a bit less time with us and he has to take about 15 pills a day to counteract it and be able to live comfortably. We're visiting him about three times a week as well to help him ease into the new lifestyle.

Whereas cancer may be a cause for depression in others, we are not affected by it to such an extent because it was very "on the table, here it is, and here's how we can manage it". So objectively, this is a bad thing to happen, but subjectively, we are not depressed about it.
User avatar #244 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
While that may be true, saying that just because someone is able to fix their problem, they have no problem, is quite a selfish thing to say in my eyes. That's like saying that just because someone is successful, they must have a shitty personal life.

Hmm, well I'm very sorry for your circumstances with your grandfather, and I really wish it didn't have to be like that, but I'm also happy that you are all able to deal with it so well and I truly do hope for the best for you and your family.
User avatar #249 - onewithpokerface (11/08/2013) [-]
Fixing the problem means you have no problem though. I'm not saying by "getting over" depression, the person is no longer sad or does not occasionally become upset over this issue, I'm saying it does not become a long withstanding problem like depression is.

And thank you for the words of reassurance.
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User avatar #221 - AresX (11/08/2013) [-]
I'm just saying I've done everything I can about it and it's simply just not so black and white. I claim to understand due to the unbelievable large amount of papers I've read on the topic during my stay in suicide watch.

If it was because of me, I would just cheer the fuck up, being this depressed for no reason makes no fucking sense. But the problem is, I can't, simple as that. I can wake up every morning with a smile on my face and say 'Fuck depression! I'm going to be happy motherfucker!" and go through the day surrounding myself with people and activities that I enjoy but no matter what, the feeling never goes away. There's an invisible weight in my chest that never ceases.

I get where you're coming from, you look at all these sad people and think "Man they really need to appreciate what they have in life and stop whining!". If only it were that simple, I really wish it were...

I've tried for years and years to get rid of this shit (by socializing, hobbies, therapy, medicine, hospitalization, relationships, exercise, etc.) but it doesn't go away, it's like a second shadow.

Most people can turn it around, I do admit that, but it's a long process, and sadly I'm not one of them.

I'm tired, completely drained, and I only have one thing left to try to finally be happy, but I'm deciding until new year's about that. I hope other people have more options than I.

So yes, I have taken action, and to no avail. Hopefully this helps you understand and empathize with what some people are stuck going through.

I just wish I could feel okay for once...
User avatar #228 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Are you sure? I'm not trying to demean you, sir. I'm actually curious. If it's not caused by a chemical reaction of course it's not going to be fixed by pills, and if it's not caused by circumstances than changing them does nothing. Perhaps you're simply paying more attention to one than the other. Again, strange, because I'm sure that if I read all that and done all that research, people would still fine a way to spit out that "I don't understand shit because I haven't been there".

Maybe because you're looking at it in the wrong way. You might think that your sadness is something detectable, as in you'd KNOW why, but if people knew why they had self-doubt it could be solved easily. Perhaps your problem is a subconscious one, something you simply sorted into the back of your mind and so it affects your conscious thought.

That's not what I think at all. For the seventh time (I'm not kidding, I'm actually getting REALLY frustrated with constantly having to explain myself because people either can't read clearly or try to shove words in my mouth) I'm not trying to degrade or belittle people with a serious mental illness, I am not a malicious person, and I would never want to hurt someone already in so much pain, what I'm saying, and what I've been saying this whole time is that "Effort breeds results, and doing something is better than convincing yourself nothing will make it better"

Than, again, perhaps your problem is a more personal one. The one constant and common denominator within all these actions is you, maybe there's something about you personally that you find inadequate.

Hmm, well I really hope you don't kill yourself or waste that precious life of yours. In the event that you feel down or out, I would like to extend the olive branch of friendship, and please know that you may talk to me at any time to vent, listen, or just have a proper chat.

I do empathize with people who have Depression, more than those here seem to realize.
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#246 - skorchy (11/08/2013) [-]
You sir. This world needs more people like you. =]
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User avatar #222 - nigeltheoutlaw (11/08/2013) [-]
I haven't, but I don't say that I don't understand a mental illness, then proceed to criticize the people with the mental illness when I have zero understanding of their circumstances or what causes them. That's apparent by your belittling of people that don't like to take the medication or that say the medication doesn't work.
User avatar #227 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well then in that case, the only difference between you and me when talking about a subject is that I admit an ignorance on some level, and seek to improve.

1. I didn't criticize people. What I said was that if you are unwilling to try and help yourself, you cannot expect anyone else to try and help you. Some people see this as advice while others see it as criticism (And I can tell you exactly why, too...)

2. I didn't belittle people. What I said was that pills can be a cure, and that if you are unwilling to take something that could help you (regardless of your personal standing or belief), see above. Someone not taking a pill for a personal belief is no different than someone not getting a vaccine because they think it gives you autism, but if someone told you that to your face, you'd call them an idiot. The only difference between the two is the sensitivity of the situation.

3. I didn't belittle people who say that medication doesn't work, either. What I said was that, if people think "Oh, I've tried countless medications and none of them have done anything for me", then perhaps your problem is not a chemical one (something the pills are supposed to fix), but rather, a circumstantial one

You see, this is why I tell people to read more clearly and to try not to put words into my mouth. It never seems to stick though.
#239 - nigeltheoutlaw (11/08/2013) [-]
I don't need to admit ignorance here since, as someone with severe clinical depression, I actually know what I am talking about. You're an uneducated person from the outside looking in.

I was typing a long response to you, but I don't have the energy. Congratulations, you win.
User avatar #240 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Ah, you don't have anything to say, so you just call me ignorant and let it go. That's the way to show that you're more informed than myself...
#241 - nigeltheoutlaw (11/08/2013) [-]
yfw

Part of depression is a loss of motivation, and I didn't care much what a dude on the internet thought anyways.
User avatar #243 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Actually my face has more of a bemused expression. I'm trying very hard to understand exactly how someone couldn't have motivation to improve their own life, and so far the only real argument given is "But I just don't feel like it, I don't have the energy, it's too hard".

I do like debating, but it's not as if I ENJOY being the asshole of the group, and in many of my comments you can see me desperately trying to grasp exactly what the other person means (and in a few cases, congratulating them for making a good example), it's not as if I'm not trying to understand.
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#172 - organicglory (11/08/2013) [-]
don't pretend you understand something you know nothing about
User avatar #178 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
And you know that because you know me so well? Or do you just assume that because you don't want to risk the fact that I might be right. In any case it doesn't matter to me, you can call me ignorant if it makes you sleep better at night, but I assure you I certainly do know what I'm talking about. I have felt crippling doubt and sadness before, I have felt insecurity and self-hatred, I have felt pain and utter despair, and even lost more loved ones than I could ever be comfortable with.

Don't think for a single second that you are the only person that suffers. We all go through our own lives and experiences, and all of us struggle just the same.
User avatar #187 - organicglory (11/08/2013) [-]
bro, we all have out own problems, but none are all the same. As a kid who found his dead mom who committed suicide when I was 4 years old, raised by an abusive cunt of a stepmom and dad my whole life, then losing my dad to cancer last year, being one of the most hated kids in high school for no reason, I would have to say I have it worse than anyone I know. On top of that, I also have the chemical imbalance of seretonin in my brain, leading to severe depression nonetheless. If you're gonna call someone a little bitch for being depressed cause of shit like that, that makes you a fucking asshole. you can't fix every fucking wrong thing that happens.
User avatar #194 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
That's nice, although I didn't ask. Your personal struggles do not give you any more weight to your knowledge than mine, because it isn't about experience, it's about perspective.

I have never, not once, in any of my comments, or even my life, called someone a 'little bitch' for a genuine disorder. Which is why I said you should read more carefully. What I said was that you should always TRY to make your life better, regardless of motivation. Whether through pills, hard work, effort, or even just soul-searching. It is all those around me who have claimed that once you have it, your life is over and nothing can be done to fix it.
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User avatar #96 - hor (11/08/2013) [-]
The first comparison here is dealing with something completely different. The whole point I'm saying which I've said extremely straightforward is that it's against what some people believe. It's not your fault for believing anything.

The second one, you have a point. But if somebody is complaining to everyone around them, they're likely searching for attention or it's something that they'll get past quickly and don't need medication for. Often times people who are depressed don't tell a lot of people. Those are the people who actively try to change themselves for the better, but end up failing.

What I'm seeing here is that we're debating cases for different groups of people, which is why we've had so much trouble understanding each other. I'll put it like this: There are people who want attention and think they're depressed, there are people who aren't depressed but sad which is why they complain, there are people who try to be happy and end up happy, people who try to be happy and don't, people who don't try to be happy and instead wallow, people who don't believe in taking antidepressants, people who try them but get nowhere, and people who do take them and end up better off. That's really the problem with the whole depression debate is that now it's a really broad subject with a lot of different answers depending on the person and situation.
User avatar #97 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
No it's not. I know what you've said is straight-forward, and I've been trying to go with it, but it seems that we're having a misunderstanding. In any case, it is their fault if they believe something, simply because they chose to subscribe to those beliefs.

And now you see why people get annoyed when others continue to post about, complain, or draw attention to their "Depression", and why so many people treat it like a kiddie thing. Yes, but that's usually because they're trying to change it in the wrong ways and then give up. That's not expressly their fault, but it's more due to a lack of perspective.

I see what you mean, and please allow me to explain I don't mean any offense to genuine sufferer's. I know Depression is a real and serious thing, what I'm simply advocating is the fact that everything in the world can be achieved through effort, regardless of circumstances. I apologize for any type of miscommunications we may have had on my part.
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User avatar #114 - mojado (11/08/2013) [-]
Well then my point is that it takes a lot of strength to keep moving. Depression drains you of everything. It is really hard to even want to try to get better. Sometimes that's why people complain. Because they really do want attention. They've made it to the point where they want people to tell them that things go better. Maybe they need to know that other people think they can make it. That's why people are getting mad at you. Yeah what you are saying has some truth to it, but that's what makes depression a bitch: It usually takes more than one person to get through it. If you don't feel like you can go on you need people to say "yes you can" not "quit bitching and get to work". I think that's mainly why people are getting mad at you. You are being insensitive.
User avatar #169 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Because if I tried to be sensitive, I would get the exact same result "Oh, you just don't understand" and they would make more excuses as to why I was wrong. People don't want to hear how they can make it because that means they're flawed for not making it, they want to hear about how there is no chance they COULD have made it, so when they fail it doesn't hit so hard. At least with me being blunt I'm not wasting their time.

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#513 - Ken M (02/16/2015) [-]
I thought I'd waste some time also, and FIX yo' thumbs ;)
#514 to #513 - Ken M (02/16/2015) [-]
Love, luluwho
#505 - thediablo (01/26/2015) [-]
Man, I think I love you
Man, I think I love you
User avatar #506 to #505 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (01/26/2015) [-]
Haha, where the hell did that come from?
User avatar #507 to #506 - thediablo (01/26/2015) [-]
I saw that kind of argument that you had and I liked not only what you said but the way you said it, I think you did it pretty cool and everything

if you meant the gif it's from Soul Eater
User avatar #508 to #507 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (01/26/2015) [-]
That's the first time I heard that. Generally, my abrasive and blunt speech drives most people to dislike me, not give me affection. You're a sweetheart, though.

Haha, no, I did not mean the gif.
User avatar #509 to #508 - thediablo (01/26/2015) [-]
I feel the same way about myself, I have to say that if those speeches were used against me I would feel a little bit upset, but you ask for clear answers and sources, and you try to make the other person think before they speak, I like that in general, not just mindless bashing ahaha
User avatar #510 to #509 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (01/26/2015) [-]
Well I'm certainly glad you can see the good in my speaking skills. Frankly, I do it to get to the point. I hate having my time wasted for any reason, and so I extend that courtesy to others and try not to waste anyone else's time either; which leads me to being very blunt and brutal in my words so that they cannot be confused or misheard. Though I admit I was frustrated in that debate.
User avatar #511 to #510 - thediablo (01/26/2015) [-]
most of them are frustrating anyway

and yeah, it sucks when people start to get offtrack because of a single comment that you used as an example or something, it's proof that they are desperately trying to derail the conversation to their favor
User avatar #512 to #511 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (01/26/2015) [-]
Oh well. When you get into a debate with someone, the point should be because you are trying to change your own views, not theirs.

If someone doesn't want to believe something, they won't. End of story. You could use all the proof you want to tell someone the colour of the sky is blue, but if they want it to be green, it will be and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

Thus, the only person you should be focused on changing in a debate is yourself, and only do so to get more perspective on the issues important to you.
User avatar #498 - gugek (12/30/2014) [-]
Hey! Good afternoon. I hope the rest of your day is awesome and tomorrow is freaking fantastic!
#492 - miia ONLINE (12/13/2014) [-]
User avatar #494 to #492 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (12/13/2014) [-]
Well aren't you a sweetheart for helping me get over my fear
#495 to #494 - miia ONLINE (12/13/2014) [-]
im actually about to go to bed but hi
User avatar #499 to #495 - aurumleo (01/08/2015) [-]
Who's the artist? Sauce?
User avatar #500 to #499 - miia ONLINE (01/08/2015) [-]
i dont remember and its too late for me to find out
reverse search it
#501 to #500 - aurumleo (01/08/2015) [-]
I found it! The artist's nukomasu. Thanks, Miia. If it weren't for that image, I won't find it.
User avatar #496 to #495 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (12/13/2014) [-]
Well don't let me keep you. Hi back, and feel free to continue the conversation any time.
User avatar #503 to #502 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (01/09/2015) [-]
Hello again.
#504 to #503 - miia ONLINE (01/09/2015) [-]
hello

i am exhausted
User avatar #490 - commencingfailure (09/30/2014) [-]
******* retard compares the IS to today's feminists. One could say ignorance is an everspreading cancer, you did your job to increase the spread.
User avatar #491 to #490 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/30/2014) [-]
You seem REALLY mad, friend. Perhaps you should calm down and take some ass ointment before you need to see a doctor
User avatar #489 - myfourthaccount (07/18/2014) [-]
dude, you're like my most favorite person on earth right now haha
User avatar #487 - imvlad (05/04/2014) [-]
you brought shame to your house
User avatar #483 - aerosol ONLINE (04/22/2014) [-]
Have you by chance had an older account here before?
User avatar #484 to #483 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (04/22/2014) [-]
Yes I have. My first username was Hiimquinn, but it was deleted for some reason I never found, so I just made another.
#485 to #484 - aerosol ONLINE (04/22/2014) [-]
Oh. Never mind then. I saw someone call you Dave and I mistook you for someone else.
User avatar #486 to #485 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (04/22/2014) [-]
It's fine. It was a joke from a picture a while back where a man was looking out the window and saw a dog and his owner walking down the street. The dog barked at another, bigger dog, and his owner just turned and said "See, this is why you have no ******* mates, Dave".
User avatar #481 - iforgotmyothername (03/20/2014) [-]
you are one cool tempered potato compared to me, bringing my fury upon your wrongness. i salute you, and thumbed up all your comments in the a capella debate.
User avatar #482 to #481 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (03/20/2014) [-]
It's alright, I apologize for making you upset, but you don't need to thumb my posts up. Thumbs are a way to express positivity or negativity toward any type of comments; if you do not like them, it is perfectly within your right to thumb them down.
User avatar #474 - aherorising (11/20/2013) [-]
you're a really cool bro
#471 - shiifter (10/06/2013) [-]
This still makes me giggle.

Oh and by the way, i never actually thumbed you down. I just said that i did.
User avatar #472 to #471 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (10/06/2013) [-]
The thing is, the way I found OUT you gave me those thumbs was because of the question mark, which allows people to see who voted on content. I could only KNOW it was you if you had thumbed them down, which you did.

And now you not only prove to be an idiot, but a liar as well.
#473 to #472 - shiifter (10/12/2013) [-]
Wait? You still remembered that? That's hilarious.

By the way, i screencapped this. it's like a trophy.
User avatar #468 - satrenkotheone ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
I would just like to say thank you.
User avatar #469 to #468 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
For?
#466 - Ken M (08/25/2013) [-]
Due to your pointlessly rude comment on the post "Jesus ain't got time for **** ",

I have gone through 20 of your previous comments and thumbed them all down.

You're also a stupid, unfunny, tryhard feelfag. Exactly the kind of user that this site is infamous for.
User avatar #467 to #466 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (08/25/2013) [-]
I wasn't pointlessly rude. If you read it more carefully, you would find I am not insulting your god or faith, but rather, the people who spread it about; and even they are just doing it to themselves, while I am mearly making an observation

It's ironic you call me tryhard, considering you just went through the time to thumb-down my last 20 comments as if it would have any effect on me personally or my ranking here. It's also odd you call me stupid, considering you were the one who read it uncorrectly. And I think the fact I have so many comment thumbs anyways (including my own jesus comment) speaks to the point that I am, in fact, quite hilarious. "Feelfag", is that supposed to be a derogatory term for someone who is passionate about certain things? If so, then I take pride in it, as it is only through passion that things grow.

Considering you are pretentious, arrogant, immature, and without a sense of humour; you fit the criteria for '12 year old funnyjunker' far better than I do.
#463 - captainspankmonkey (07/16/2013) [-]
Hey, I would just like to say thank you for telling me to get an account.   
Yea I know, odd thing to give thanks for when I could have gotten one easily but then again, I was a dumb bastard then and could not think very well.   
I notice your comments from time to time and get some good knowledge off of them, mainly the Lovecraft related ones.   
But like I said, thank you very much and continue to be awesome.
Hey, I would just like to say thank you for telling me to get an account.
Yea I know, odd thing to give thanks for when I could have gotten one easily but then again, I was a dumb bastard then and could not think very well.
I notice your comments from time to time and get some good knowledge off of them, mainly the Lovecraft related ones.
But like I said, thank you very much and continue to be awesome.
User avatar #464 to #463 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (07/16/2013) [-]
You are just a wonderful person, you know that? Thank you very much for your kind words and appreciation, and I'm glad you have made an account and made many friends here, including myself
#465 to #464 - captainspankmonkey (07/16/2013) [-]
You're welcome, good sir.
You're welcome, good sir.
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