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#7 - The Riddler theorized that Batman actually got his wealth from…  [+] (29 replies) 11/24/2015 on The conspiracy is strong +9
#66 - bohemianblasphemy (11/25/2015) [-]
He did theorize in Arkham Origins that Batman must've been either Bruce Wayne or Harvey Dent (Two-Face), but he was never able to narrow it down further. However, it's implied that he believed it was Harvey more than Bruce. Even after Bruce's identity is revealed at the end of Arkham Knight , the Riddler still believes that he's just trying to fool everyone.
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#78 - captainfuckitall (11/25/2015) [-]
But wouldn't you be able to SEE if it was Harvey Dent via his face?
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#80 - bohemianblasphemy (11/25/2015) [-]
At that point in the timeline, I don't believe Dent became Two-Face yet. Then again, this is Arkham Origins we're talking about; I'd take it with a grain of salt.
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#26 - YllekNayr (11/25/2015) [-]
The Riddler's entire character is idiocy.
He would get away with literally every crime if he didn't have a compulsion to help Batman thwart himself.
Honestly, the Riddler probably knows but doesn't care.
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#28 - captainfuckitall (11/25/2015) [-]
He would, but he has obsessive compulsive disorder and likes being challenged too much. There was a comic featuring them that I read once where Batman busts in on yet another of the Riddler's plots and the Riddler is actually happy to see him, telling him that he wanted this time to be different, when we broke out, no more crime, but when he committed crime, he didn't want to leave anymore riddles, yet did anyways. He couldn't stop himself. The comic ends with the Riddler willingly being taken away by Batman while telling him "I think I may actually need help".
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#72 - ronyx (11/25/2015) [-]
wow post the comic pls
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#77 - captainfuckitall (11/25/2015) [-]
Sorry old chap, I have no idea what the name was, I only remember seeing it.
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#31 - YllekNayr (11/25/2015) [-]
He's not a great villain, is really what it boils down to
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#16 - angelusprimus (11/25/2015) [-]
Technically it could work.
Not on street level, no, but if Batman went high enough and took down crime bosses and cartels he could force them to transfer money from their secret accounts.
That's billions of dollars. One of the smaller cartels in Mexico got raided for 600.000.000$ few years ago, and that wasn't even all they had.
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#32 - Ruspanic (11/25/2015) [-]
I think there's enough gossip among Gotham's underworld that many people would know if Batman did something like this regularly. I think the Riddler and others have encountered Batman enough times to know robbing criminals would be out of character for him.
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#21 - captainfuckitall (11/25/2015) [-]
But he would still need someone to build his equipment, and so his influence is still required. Just as well, if what you said were the case, there would be far more people casually trying to take out Batman due to him being a drain on their funding.
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#23 - angelusprimus (11/25/2015) [-]
Well compared to Joker, Bane, Ras Al-Ghul and Killer Croc, normal gangbangers trying to kill him would be a relaxing night out. He single handedly took down Triads in Gotham over one weekend.
And with enough money its not that hard to find people to make stuff for you.
He could be working with geniuses who lost family to gang activity, who would be working mostly for revenge. He could BE a genius inventor.
Idea that he is funding his war on crime through criminal's money isn't too farfetched.
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#25 - captainfuckitall (11/25/2015) [-]
It isn't too far-fetched, but it's just improbable because of the time/effort that would take + the building of machines + his crime stopping activity. He's active every night and most days as far as I know, so building the machines himself would take a long, long time given their complexity, even if he WAS a genius, for example.

The "group effort" vein is the most likely, but given Batman's own tendency of paranoia, he's more likely to only give such reigns over when he is literally unable to do something himself. However, this is purely conjecture, as I have no idea HOW The Riddler would figure out Batman is paranoid unless he triggered his traps multiple times in advance and recognized the symptoms.

Just as well, while it's totally true that regular gangsters are just child's play for him, you would still see a LOT more of them go after the Batman. I mean, if you had the money and manpower, would YOU let the guy who kicked the hell out of you AND constantly steals from you get away with it?
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#17 - pandasecret (11/25/2015) [-]
Is your avatar the character from the game Chibi Knights? I haven't seen that game in ages!
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#11 - Ruspanic (11/25/2015) [-]
Batman doesn't have to be rich, he could just be funded by someone rich.
Example, Terry McGinnis. Or he might even be secretly funded by the government, for all the average person knows.
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#20 - captainfuckitall (11/25/2015) [-]
That's true, and while very plausible, it's much more difficult to figure out than acting as if Batman and Funder were the same person, so I think The Riddler would go with that first.
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#30 - Ruspanic (11/25/2015) [-]
Maybe. A Terry McGinnis type scenario seems more plausible in my mind. A billionaire like Bruce Wayne is in the spotlight quite a lot and might have trouble concealing his activities.The most effective Batman would be someone with no family and few Earthly attachments, who could be Batman full time without worrying about other responsibilities or maintaining a legitimate facade. Such a person's true identity would be much less of a burden on him than Bruce Wayne's, because he wouldn't have to worry about endangering his family or losing his job or whatever if he was discovered. Especially if his wealthy backer remains anonymous.

Or imagine if Batman was someone like Marvel's Black Widow, a superhero who has no civilian life at all, whose true identity is protected by the government. It'd be much less of a hassle than having to sneak around and lead a double life the way the real Batman does.
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#33 - captainfuckitall (11/25/2015) [-]
Yes, but keep in mind that it would also be more difficult to figure out his identity that way. I maintain that the Riddler would exhaust the 'easier' trails first, ESPECIALLY if he knew of Batman's Paranoia. The best way to figure this out would be to see at what times Batman was active. Batman is highly trained and probably needs little sleep, so there would be a 2-4 hour gap between his sprees. If there was a substantial gap, such as 8 hours or 12 or 16, he would obviously have a social life and circle that he adheres to (unless he is just super tired and sleeps a lot, which in the case of a highly trained Batman is even MORE unlikely).

The government backing Batman is unlikely, because he neither acts politically nor with gusto. Black Widow makes sense because she assassinates high profile targets, but Batman only focuses on crime in Gotham. It wouldn't be plausible unless there was some grand 'clean up' scheme involving a costumed hero, which in itself would be less efficient than just donating more to the police force.
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#34 - Ruspanic (11/25/2015) [-]
I suppose it depends on whether the Riddler is relying mostly on deduction or investigation. If it's down to several broad possibilities (billionaire vs sponsored vigilante vs government agent, for example), and he has to investigate each of those possibilities separately, then sure, maybe he'll check the easiest route first. But even that might not necessarily be the case if he thinks that each possibility has a different probability - for example, if he thinks there's only 5% chance that Batman is a billionaire leading a dual life, vs 65% chance of him having a billionaire's backing, or something.

Black Widow was a loose analogy. Perhaps Batman is secretly employed by Gotham's local or state government rather than the feds, as a deniable asset. What Batman does isn't legal, but it is effective, so perhaps they use him for things the police can't handle easily. And the police don't know about it. The Suicide Squad is an example of the government doing something very similar, though not for vigilantism and not with the consent of the participants. But there've been other instances of the government sponsoring superheroes as well, like when Superman worked for the Reagan administration in The Dark Knight Returns, or when President Lex Luthor hired Captain Atom, Power Girl, Starfire and others as official government-sponsored heroes.
Or perhaps he's one of many such government agents: after all, every major city in DC's America has at least one costumed vigilante based in it. Coincidence?
If we didn't already know who Batman was and how he got his tech, there'd be a shitton of possibilities.
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#22 - sugoi (11/25/2015) [-]
So the riddler would go with the "funder is same person" route just because it was easier and not because it was the truth?

I mean that's pretty dumb, ouchie my brain hurts cbf figuring out batmans identity fuck it I'll go with the theory that requires less work.
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#24 - captainfuckitall (11/25/2015) [-]
It's not that, it's just that both are viable, except one is easier to follow, so you may as well follow THAT route first. No point making things harder for yourself.
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#38 - sugoi (11/25/2015) [-]
So with no other reason other than "one is easier" you just follow that one.
Well okay then top detective work there riddler.
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#39 - captainfuckitall (11/25/2015) [-]
What the fuck are you talking about?

"Yeah I could call my friend to see where they are, but I could ALSO look all over town for them..."

You have two choices, there's a prize at the top of a hill you can grab, you can either run up a little slope, OR you can go through a treacherous rock climb, both options have a 50% chance of letting you reach the top, which are you gonna do first?

If you obviously don't understand following the path of least resistance as far as it leads, you are either TRYING to be difficult or you're genuinely handicapped. Either way, please never attempt to raise children.
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#40 - sugoi (11/25/2015) [-]
Are you stupid? They lead to completely different goals.

This isn't schrodingers batman, there is no "path of least resistance" there is only one correct bath, either your theory is wrong or it's correct. It's to completely ignore the possibility of Batman having a benefactor with absolutely no evidence for it is completely retarded.
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#41 - captainfuckitall (11/25/2015) [-]
Never once did I say the Riddler would completely ignore it, I said that out of the TWO VIABLE OPTIONS (that is, that he has a benefactor or he IS the one), in his attempts to FIGURE IT OUT, he has to FOLLOW ONE TRAIL until it REACHES A CONCLUSION, that conclusion may be BATMAN'S IDENTITY, or it may lead to a DEAD END. IN THIS CASE, with BOTH VIABLE OPTIONS, EACH OF WHICH MAY BE TRUE AND LIKELY, the Riddler would follow THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE until it is either proven BATMAN'S IDENTITY or leads to a DEAD END, at which case he will MOVE ONTO THE NEXT ONE, CONTINUING UNTIL ALL VIABLE THEORIES ARE EXHAUSTED, STARTING FROM MOST LIKELY TO LEAST LIKELY IN A FASHION THAT ALSO BENEFITS EFFICIENCY IN THE TIME IT WILL TAKE TO REACH A CONCLUSION.

Do you understand now or do I have to enunciate more or make it even simpler?
>Inb4 "I was just pretending to be retarded to frustrate you"
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#42 - sugoi (11/25/2015) [-]
No I'm pretty sure you're the retard here trying to frustrate.

Since you know, you could just multi-task and follow both, shit aint complicated since you're supposed to draw your conclusions from the evidence you find not find evidence based on a pre-mature conclusion you've already made.

But I guess that way of thinking must have eluded you.
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#43 - captainfuckitall (11/25/2015) [-]
Except juggling a dozen theories at once isn't efficient at all.

"STARTING FROM MOST LIKELY TO LEAST LIKELY IN A FASHION THAT ALSO BENEFITS EFFICIENCY IN THE TIME IT WILL TAKE TO REACH A CONCLUSION. " Already covered your second statement. I find it funny how you claim multi-tasking eludes me when you are unable to imagine someone switching their workload over new evidence they found.
#10 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
"I'm not even half as smart as the Riddler and it's simple as hell."

It helps that you already know the answer, dipshit...
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#18 - captainfuckitall (11/25/2015) [-]
Nowhere in there did I suggest anything other than information that could be picked up by simple public news reports and witness testimonies of the Batman. The Riddler himself had multiple run-ins with him, and so could verify.

Don't get all pissy pants because there's a flaw in your favourite comics, it happens to everyone.
#16 - It's a parody.  [+] (2 replies) 11/24/2015 on No double standards here..... +1
#23 - anon (11/24/2015) [-]
It's not a very good parody.
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#24 - erotictentacle (11/24/2015) [-]
You're not a very good parody!
#14 - Technically, knowledge of how to do something doesn't equate t…  [+] (2 replies) 11/24/2015 on comic +21
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#19 - heartlessrobot (11/24/2015) [-]
If you know everything, you know how to achieve omnipotence through rhythmic clapping.
It can be completely ridiculous and you still know it, because it goes under everything.
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#25 - captainfuckitall (11/24/2015) [-]
Not necessarily. That's like saying you know how to get rid of gravity for everyone ever by dropping a feather.

You have achieved a state of "all knowing", but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING is possible. You wouldn't have an answer to a paradox, for example, because there is no answer. Likewise, there is no way to get rid of all gravity on Earth via dropping a feather on the ground plainly.