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#155 - As a person who doesn't have Depression, perhaps you should re…  [+] (4 new replies) 11/08/2013 on feels right -1
#172 - organicglory (11/08/2013) [-]
don't pretend you understand something you know nothing about
User avatar #178 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
And you know that because you know me so well? Or do you just assume that because you don't want to risk the fact that I might be right. In any case it doesn't matter to me, you can call me ignorant if it makes you sleep better at night, but I assure you I certainly do know what I'm talking about. I have felt crippling doubt and sadness before, I have felt insecurity and self-hatred, I have felt pain and utter despair, and even lost more loved ones than I could ever be comfortable with.

Don't think for a single second that you are the only person that suffers. We all go through our own lives and experiences, and all of us struggle just the same.
User avatar #187 - organicglory (11/08/2013) [-]
bro, we all have out own problems, but none are all the same. As a kid who found his dead mom who committed suicide when I was 4 years old, raised by an abusive cunt of a stepmom and dad my whole life, then losing my dad to cancer last year, being one of the most hated kids in high school for no reason, I would have to say I have it worse than anyone I know. On top of that, I also have the chemical imbalance of seretonin in my brain, leading to severe depression nonetheless. If you're gonna call someone a little bitch for being depressed cause of shit like that, that makes you a fucking asshole. you can't fix every fucking wrong thing that happens.
User avatar #194 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
That's nice, although I didn't ask. Your personal struggles do not give you any more weight to your knowledge than mine, because it isn't about experience, it's about perspective.

I have never, not once, in any of my comments, or even my life, called someone a 'little bitch' for a genuine disorder. Which is why I said you should read more carefully. What I said was that you should always TRY to make your life better, regardless of motivation. Whether through pills, hard work, effort, or even just soul-searching. It is all those around me who have claimed that once you have it, your life is over and nothing can be done to fix it.
#97 - No it's not. I know what you've said is straight-forward, and … 11/08/2013 on feels right -3
#94 - Well, it's just like a sickness, you could choose to expose yo…  [+] (2 new replies) 11/08/2013 on feels right -2
User avatar #96 - hor (11/08/2013) [-]
The first comparison here is dealing with something completely different. The whole point I'm saying which I've said extremely straightforward is that it's against what some people believe. It's not your fault for believing anything.

The second one, you have a point. But if somebody is complaining to everyone around them, they're likely searching for attention or it's something that they'll get past quickly and don't need medication for. Often times people who are depressed don't tell a lot of people. Those are the people who actively try to change themselves for the better, but end up failing.

What I'm seeing here is that we're debating cases for different groups of people, which is why we've had so much trouble understanding each other. I'll put it like this: There are people who want attention and think they're depressed, there are people who aren't depressed but sad which is why they complain, there are people who try to be happy and end up happy, people who try to be happy and don't, people who don't try to be happy and instead wallow, people who don't believe in taking antidepressants, people who try them but get nowhere, and people who do take them and end up better off. That's really the problem with the whole depression debate is that now it's a really broad subject with a lot of different answers depending on the person and situation.
User avatar #97 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
No it's not. I know what you've said is straight-forward, and I've been trying to go with it, but it seems that we're having a misunderstanding. In any case, it is their fault if they believe something, simply because they chose to subscribe to those beliefs.

And now you see why people get annoyed when others continue to post about, complain, or draw attention to their "Depression", and why so many people treat it like a kiddie thing. Yes, but that's usually because they're trying to change it in the wrong ways and then give up. That's not expressly their fault, but it's more due to a lack of perspective.

I see what you mean, and please allow me to explain I don't mean any offense to genuine sufferer's. I know Depression is a real and serious thing, what I'm simply advocating is the fact that everything in the world can be achieved through effort, regardless of circumstances. I apologize for any type of miscommunications we may have had on my part.
#91 - That actually does make it a lot clearer and I thank you for i…  [+] (2 new replies) 11/08/2013 on feels right -2
User avatar #114 - mojado (11/08/2013) [-]
Well then my point is that it takes a lot of strength to keep moving. Depression drains you of everything. It is really hard to even want to try to get better. Sometimes that's why people complain. Because they really do want attention. They've made it to the point where they want people to tell them that things go better. Maybe they need to know that other people think they can make it. That's why people are getting mad at you. Yeah what you are saying has some truth to it, but that's what makes depression a bitch: It usually takes more than one person to get through it. If you don't feel like you can go on you need people to say "yes you can" not "quit bitching and get to work". I think that's mainly why people are getting mad at you. You are being insensitive.
User avatar #169 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Because if I tried to be sensitive, I would get the exact same result "Oh, you just don't understand" and they would make more excuses as to why I was wrong. People don't want to hear how they can make it because that means they're flawed for not making it, they want to hear about how there is no chance they COULD have made it, so when they fail it doesn't hit so hard. At least with me being blunt I'm not wasting their time.
#90 - Again, it's a matter of perspective. To me, it's worth it to t…  [+] (4 new replies) 11/08/2013 on feels right -2
User avatar #93 - hor (11/08/2013) [-]
What I'm saying is that sometimes you can't see something from that perspective, even if you try. As for the second, you're right, it is preference. But why would you have no right to complain when taking it is against what you believe or you don't want to take the risk of becoming addicted?
User avatar #94 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well, it's just like a sickness, you could choose to expose yourself to disease rather than not in an effort to strengthen your immune system, or even just because you don't think running from sickness is natural, or anything really, but if you got sick from doing that, intentionally throwing yourself into that situation, you have no right to complain about being sick.

For another example, it's just plain stupid to willingly starve yourself or go on a fast, and complain about how hungry you are to everyone around you.
User avatar #96 - hor (11/08/2013) [-]
The first comparison here is dealing with something completely different. The whole point I'm saying which I've said extremely straightforward is that it's against what some people believe. It's not your fault for believing anything.

The second one, you have a point. But if somebody is complaining to everyone around them, they're likely searching for attention or it's something that they'll get past quickly and don't need medication for. Often times people who are depressed don't tell a lot of people. Those are the people who actively try to change themselves for the better, but end up failing.

What I'm seeing here is that we're debating cases for different groups of people, which is why we've had so much trouble understanding each other. I'll put it like this: There are people who want attention and think they're depressed, there are people who aren't depressed but sad which is why they complain, there are people who try to be happy and end up happy, people who try to be happy and don't, people who don't try to be happy and instead wallow, people who don't believe in taking antidepressants, people who try them but get nowhere, and people who do take them and end up better off. That's really the problem with the whole depression debate is that now it's a really broad subject with a lot of different answers depending on the person and situation.
User avatar #97 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
No it's not. I know what you've said is straight-forward, and I've been trying to go with it, but it seems that we're having a misunderstanding. In any case, it is their fault if they believe something, simply because they chose to subscribe to those beliefs.

And now you see why people get annoyed when others continue to post about, complain, or draw attention to their "Depression", and why so many people treat it like a kiddie thing. Yes, but that's usually because they're trying to change it in the wrong ways and then give up. That's not expressly their fault, but it's more due to a lack of perspective.

I see what you mean, and please allow me to explain I don't mean any offense to genuine sufferer's. I know Depression is a real and serious thing, what I'm simply advocating is the fact that everything in the world can be achieved through effort, regardless of circumstances. I apologize for any type of miscommunications we may have had on my part.
#81 - Well we'd all rather genuinely be happy, but it's all a matter…  [+] (6 new replies) 11/08/2013 on feels right -1
User avatar #86 - hor (11/08/2013) [-]
No, if you don't, it's because you don't want to be fake, dependent, or slowly kill yourself with chemicals. Not to mention if you do become dependent, try to stop using them could actually worsen your depression and give you withdraw.

The problem with depression is the fact that you can't just appreciate something, even if you normally would.
User avatar #90 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Again, it's a matter of perspective. To me, it's worth it to try and be better, to you, it might not be. This is all well and good, but if you refuse to take something that could make you better, then you do not have a right to complain when you are not better. Simple.
User avatar #93 - hor (11/08/2013) [-]
What I'm saying is that sometimes you can't see something from that perspective, even if you try. As for the second, you're right, it is preference. But why would you have no right to complain when taking it is against what you believe or you don't want to take the risk of becoming addicted?
User avatar #94 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well, it's just like a sickness, you could choose to expose yourself to disease rather than not in an effort to strengthen your immune system, or even just because you don't think running from sickness is natural, or anything really, but if you got sick from doing that, intentionally throwing yourself into that situation, you have no right to complain about being sick.

For another example, it's just plain stupid to willingly starve yourself or go on a fast, and complain about how hungry you are to everyone around you.
User avatar #96 - hor (11/08/2013) [-]
The first comparison here is dealing with something completely different. The whole point I'm saying which I've said extremely straightforward is that it's against what some people believe. It's not your fault for believing anything.

The second one, you have a point. But if somebody is complaining to everyone around them, they're likely searching for attention or it's something that they'll get past quickly and don't need medication for. Often times people who are depressed don't tell a lot of people. Those are the people who actively try to change themselves for the better, but end up failing.

What I'm seeing here is that we're debating cases for different groups of people, which is why we've had so much trouble understanding each other. I'll put it like this: There are people who want attention and think they're depressed, there are people who aren't depressed but sad which is why they complain, there are people who try to be happy and end up happy, people who try to be happy and don't, people who don't try to be happy and instead wallow, people who don't believe in taking antidepressants, people who try them but get nowhere, and people who do take them and end up better off. That's really the problem with the whole depression debate is that now it's a really broad subject with a lot of different answers depending on the person and situation.
User avatar #97 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
No it's not. I know what you've said is straight-forward, and I've been trying to go with it, but it seems that we're having a misunderstanding. In any case, it is their fault if they believe something, simply because they chose to subscribe to those beliefs.

And now you see why people get annoyed when others continue to post about, complain, or draw attention to their "Depression", and why so many people treat it like a kiddie thing. Yes, but that's usually because they're trying to change it in the wrong ways and then give up. That's not expressly their fault, but it's more due to a lack of perspective.

I see what you mean, and please allow me to explain I don't mean any offense to genuine sufferer's. I know Depression is a real and serious thing, what I'm simply advocating is the fact that everything in the world can be achieved through effort, regardless of circumstances. I apologize for any type of miscommunications we may have had on my part.
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#73 - I like the cut of your jib. A lot of people don't appreciate t…  [+] (1 new reply) 11/08/2013 on feels right -5
User avatar #75 - ehzio (11/08/2013) [-]
It's blunt but people just need to understand that this is you. Are you going to let yourself down because of something that upsets you for a short period of time? Are you really going to just think of now and never of the future? You can't change the past but you can sure fucking hell change your attitude for the change of future.
#70 - So it's not impossible, it's just hard work. But in a…  [+] (1 new reply) 11/08/2013 on feels right -2
#72 - nandaaz (11/08/2013) [-]
You're right, I should have said it a bit differently:
It's impossilble for ME to describe depression to someone who hasn't experienced it.

also noticed a mistake in the end of the sentence and fixed it
#68 - Okay...So? That doesn't answer my question, you just described…  [+] (8 new replies) 11/08/2013 on feels right 0
#104 - vobilitus (11/08/2013) [-]
It doesn't seem as though you completely understand the issue.

Depression causes you to become melancholic. In turn, the melancholia causes a crippling self-doubt and as a result, motivation is zero.
I don't expect you to understand, but have you ever lost a great deal of blood? That feeling when you lose all of your strength, and all of your capacity for actions, as well as the energy to do anything but lie down and sleep or relax - that is sort of what it feels like, only it's not something that gets better over time. You wake up every day, and that feeling is still there, robbing you of everything.

What little respite one may find from that feeling of melancholia is quickly swept away when things start to get complicated.
Doing something is nearly impossible, because you're broken.

Again, I don't expect you to understand, but I hope that this helps.
User avatar #168 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Indeed, I might not, that's exactly what I'm trying to do, yet everyone either tells me I can't possibly understand or that I'm flat out wrong. Not much help if you ask me.

I don't see why you don't expect me to understand. Depression isn't this grand, evasive thing, it can be easily seen and defined. But anyways, I totally get it and know exactly what you were trying to describe, but even if you lost all that blood, if your one true love is screaming to you for help upstairs, I'm willing to bet my own life that you wouldn't let a loss of blood stop you from coming to their rescue. That's what it is with my view, that effort breeds results, obviously, as sitting around does nothing.
#224 - vobilitus (11/08/2013) [-]
Oh, sure. But is that really a fair example?

Even with a broken leg, you'd rush (or crawl) to the rescue of somebody you cared for. That doesn't make the broken leg less of a serious issue.

The thing is that depression makes you want to do nothing. Your brain convinces you that you'll fail in some way, and you'll get hurt on some level.
I think that you should study this subject in more depth if you really want to understand, because it's not so easy as to just "do something".
User avatar #226 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
I never said it didn't. I understand that Depression is a very serious and real issue that must be solved, what I'm saying, and what I've always been saying, is that only effort breeds results, and that sitting down and sulking does nothing. I'm not saying they are whining or attention whoring or weak willed or anything, what I'm literally saying is "Doing something is better than nothing, even if you don't feel like it is".
#231 - vobilitus (11/08/2013) [-]
Yeah, of course it is - usually.

What I thought you meant was that kind of retarded "Well, the world is your oyster. Climb a mountain and you'll get better, Bro."-stuff.

However, doing something is difficult in that particular state of mind, just as it's difficult to move on broken legs.
Your self-esteem plummets, and you avoid getting help, because you think that your condition is somehow less serious than somebody else's, and you don't want to waste anybody's time.

I understand that you feel that one should do something, but it's that very thing which is impossible for most people with depression.
Your reasoning is sound, were it not for the human factor.
User avatar #234 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Ya, that's what everyone thinks I'm saying...

But then you're still just doing it to yourself, that doesn't change the issue. I understand it's difficult to move on broken legs, but surely you don't just say "No, I'm not going to try and move or heal them at all" and just sit there. I understand that many people do try to help themselves, but in the end they just bandage their arm instead; there are many reasons that one might have Depression, and addressing only one or two of them is sure to fail.

Mm, if you say so.
#236 - vobilitus (11/08/2013) [-]
This is why people don't expect you to understand; because you haven't experienced it first-hand.

I respect you as an individual, but I think that you're wrong, and I doubt that we'll come to a consensus here.
How about we just end this conversation and go our seperate ways, rather than bang on about what we think and feel?
User avatar #237 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
You don't know that. That's why I'm astounded by the hypocrisy of people on this picture, because they constantly talk about how it's impossible for someone to understand, then immediately turn and talk as if they understand the experience of every person around them.

Very well, that seems the most reasonable. Have a good day sir, and enjoy the rest of your life.
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#60 - Anything is better than doing nothing, isn't it?  [+] (10 new replies) 11/08/2013 on feels right 0
User avatar #63 - vincentlaw (11/08/2013) [-]
that depends on if they're truly depressed or not. it gets to a point where doing anything seems pointless in helping you out of it, you don't enjoy anything really. all of the things you used to enjoy all seems stale and boring, the only reason you still continue to do them is because you used to enjoy them. and when that happens, it's pretty damn hard to find something that you do enjoy and makes you happy.
User avatar #68 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Okay...So? That doesn't answer my question, you just described why you don't FEEL like doing anything.
#104 - vobilitus (11/08/2013) [-]
It doesn't seem as though you completely understand the issue.

Depression causes you to become melancholic. In turn, the melancholia causes a crippling self-doubt and as a result, motivation is zero.
I don't expect you to understand, but have you ever lost a great deal of blood? That feeling when you lose all of your strength, and all of your capacity for actions, as well as the energy to do anything but lie down and sleep or relax - that is sort of what it feels like, only it's not something that gets better over time. You wake up every day, and that feeling is still there, robbing you of everything.

What little respite one may find from that feeling of melancholia is quickly swept away when things start to get complicated.
Doing something is nearly impossible, because you're broken.

Again, I don't expect you to understand, but I hope that this helps.
User avatar #168 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Indeed, I might not, that's exactly what I'm trying to do, yet everyone either tells me I can't possibly understand or that I'm flat out wrong. Not much help if you ask me.

I don't see why you don't expect me to understand. Depression isn't this grand, evasive thing, it can be easily seen and defined. But anyways, I totally get it and know exactly what you were trying to describe, but even if you lost all that blood, if your one true love is screaming to you for help upstairs, I'm willing to bet my own life that you wouldn't let a loss of blood stop you from coming to their rescue. That's what it is with my view, that effort breeds results, obviously, as sitting around does nothing.
#224 - vobilitus (11/08/2013) [-]
Oh, sure. But is that really a fair example?

Even with a broken leg, you'd rush (or crawl) to the rescue of somebody you cared for. That doesn't make the broken leg less of a serious issue.

The thing is that depression makes you want to do nothing. Your brain convinces you that you'll fail in some way, and you'll get hurt on some level.
I think that you should study this subject in more depth if you really want to understand, because it's not so easy as to just "do something".
User avatar #226 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
I never said it didn't. I understand that Depression is a very serious and real issue that must be solved, what I'm saying, and what I've always been saying, is that only effort breeds results, and that sitting down and sulking does nothing. I'm not saying they are whining or attention whoring or weak willed or anything, what I'm literally saying is "Doing something is better than nothing, even if you don't feel like it is".
#231 - vobilitus (11/08/2013) [-]
Yeah, of course it is - usually.

What I thought you meant was that kind of retarded "Well, the world is your oyster. Climb a mountain and you'll get better, Bro."-stuff.

However, doing something is difficult in that particular state of mind, just as it's difficult to move on broken legs.
Your self-esteem plummets, and you avoid getting help, because you think that your condition is somehow less serious than somebody else's, and you don't want to waste anybody's time.

I understand that you feel that one should do something, but it's that very thing which is impossible for most people with depression.
Your reasoning is sound, were it not for the human factor.
User avatar #234 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Ya, that's what everyone thinks I'm saying...

But then you're still just doing it to yourself, that doesn't change the issue. I understand it's difficult to move on broken legs, but surely you don't just say "No, I'm not going to try and move or heal them at all" and just sit there. I understand that many people do try to help themselves, but in the end they just bandage their arm instead; there are many reasons that one might have Depression, and addressing only one or two of them is sure to fail.

Mm, if you say so.
#236 - vobilitus (11/08/2013) [-]
This is why people don't expect you to understand; because you haven't experienced it first-hand.

I respect you as an individual, but I think that you're wrong, and I doubt that we'll come to a consensus here.
How about we just end this conversation and go our seperate ways, rather than bang on about what we think and feel?
User avatar #237 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
You don't know that. That's why I'm astounded by the hypocrisy of people on this picture, because they constantly talk about how it's impossible for someone to understand, then immediately turn and talk as if they understand the experience of every person around them.

Very well, that seems the most reasonable. Have a good day sir, and enjoy the rest of your life.
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#64 - nandaaz (11/08/2013) [-]
Actually, the reason it's impossible for me to describe it is because I am just really really really bad in trying to explain things.... One of my many shortcomings....
User avatar #70 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
So it's not impossible, it's just hard work.

But in any case, that's not what you said anyways, what you said was "It's impossible to describe depression to someone who doesn't have it"
#72 - nandaaz (11/08/2013) [-]
You're right, I should have said it a bit differently:
It's impossilble for ME to describe depression to someone who hasn't experienced it.

also noticed a mistake in the end of the sentence and fixed it
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User avatar #129 - hanabro (11/08/2013) [-]
Probably because if you "solved" your depression, you weren't depressed. You were sad. Being depressed isn't anything that you can will yourself out of. It's not something that you can fix with a pat on the back. It takes a lot more than that. As a general rule, if you can say what you're depressed about, you aren't depressed at all.

Comparing being sad to depression is like eating at Olive Garden and telling everyone that you've been to Italy. It's just not at all the same, and if you were truly, actually depressed, then you would know enough to understand that.
User avatar #166 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Oh, I see, please, continue to tell me about how I don't understand, yet you, for some odd reason, seem to have perfect insight into it.

I find it strange, that everyone says I fail to understand, yet looks at themselves with this absolute confidence that they, of COURSE know exactly what it is, and what it is for everyone else as well. Because, obviously, experience is a substitute for wisdom, right?
#219 - thecrayzeeman (11/08/2013) [-]
He has a point though.

Fake depression is when you can pinpoint it's cause, and when you can get rid of it easily.

Real depression - well I can't explain it, but I'll try with a personal example: It was a Friday, I had no schoolwork to do, the weather was cloudy just the way I like it , all I had was go to school, chill for a few hours, go home and play video games, or watch a movie, whatever. And I had the whole weekend infront of me.

And yet, I've felt hopeless, miserable, worthless, hateful, angry, sad, etc. It felt like a demon was clawing it's way through my soul. I wanted to just disappear, just quit until it goes away. I've lost the will to exist. And it wasn't just that day, the feeling continued on for weeks, I've tried to sort of shut it out by doing what makes me happy, but it was still in the background of everything I did, this constant dread following me, like a noose around my neck waiting to be pulled.

And yes, I did have suicidal thoughts, but I have those almost every day, so it was nothing out of the ordinary I'm missing a few screws in my head by a few I mean a fuckton , but that was the time I've actually wanted to go through with it, just to fucking end it. Luckily, my mind sees it as a sign of weakness, so I know I'll never actually kill myself, but trust me, seeing every knife as an exit path is not pleasant, especially when you're actually, for lack of a better word, motivated to kill yourself.
User avatar #229 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
I see. So to you, if someone can manage to solve their problem, it automatically means it wasn't bad, regardless of the effort or strain they put into solving it? Wow, and people say I'M the asshole...

Well it's a shame you feel that way about yourself, because I certainly don't see you that way. Perhaps your problem is deeper than that, I'm going to assume you've tried taking pills and changing your circumstances, so I will simply say that perhaps your problem is more internal. You may have something in your subconscious bugging you or bringing you down that you just can't sort, or maybe you subconsciously don't like yourself or any of your traits and thus see self-destruction as a way out, when an even better way out would be to try and improve yourself, and realize the boundless potential that I know you have.
#245 - thecrayzeeman (11/08/2013) [-]
You're putting words in my mouth. I said if you can get rid of your depression easily, then it probably wasn't serious. If it takes serious effort, it's a whole different thing.

However "fake depressions" can actually bolster the effects of real ones, which is a real pain in the ass.

Also, that was a long time ago, I've learned how to successfully shut it out now, I've managed it, but some people have a much more severe problem.
User avatar #247 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Perhaps, and I apologize for that, but it's not as if I was incorrect. It seems many people are judging a level of suffering based upon how easy it is to deal with, which would mean that a child experiencing the death of his parents is less traumatizing than a tween losing her cell-phone if the aforementioned child happens to handle it better.

I'm glad you've had success in this endeavour, and I certainly hope it never comes back to haunt you. If you ever need to talk, feel free to find me and I will be glad to be your friend.
User avatar #223 - hanabro (11/08/2013) [-]
This is me. This, right here, is true depression.

Saying you can will away depression is like telling yourself to will away brain cancer: If you truly have it, it's not that simple. Nowadays, people throw around "depressed" if they're sad for more than a couple hours about something.

My family has a history of suicidal depression. I've got it too. Medicine doesn't help, it just makes me feel completely empty, which makes it worse.
User avatar #230 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Eh. I wouldn't exactly judge the amount of pain someone goes through by exactly how easily they solved it, that just seems unfair; that's literally saying "Oh, you've never actually broken your arm before, and if you managed to pop it back in and heal it yourself it means that it never was broken".

I never said you could will-away Depression. What I'm saying, and been saying this entire time, is that effort breeds results, and you can only change when you try. If you just sit and do nothing, nothing will ever get better.

Well I've seen first-hand how the apple can fall far from the tree. Perhaps you're stuck in this rut of Depression because you've convinced yourself that there is no way out.
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User avatar #79 - hor (11/08/2013) [-]
Not really, no. Antidepressants make you feel happy, but you can tell everything's still off. It's like being in a trance. I'd rather be genuinely happy than forcing myself to be happy with chemicals all the time. As for trying to change or grow, it's not that simple. There are some people who don't try to change, yes. But, there's also people who actually try to be happy and just can't feel so. It's hard to enjoy something when you feel like everything's going to hell, even if you're having fun or doing something. At the end of the day, you're still the same person with the same problems. You can't just will emotions away sometimes. You can't just say, "I'm going to be happy today," and suddenly feel happy.
User avatar #81 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well we'd all rather genuinely be happy, but it's all a matter of preference I suppose.

Very well, fine, you don't have to take the pills and it is perfectly within your right not to do so. But if you don't, you have no right to complain about how you feel. Simple. If you don't TRY to get better, don't complain when shit sucks.

Usually, the problem with people being happy is a matter of perspective and view, rather than circumstances. You can feel as happy with a cup of tea as you do at the concert of your favourite band, depending upon how much you appreciate it.
User avatar #86 - hor (11/08/2013) [-]
No, if you don't, it's because you don't want to be fake, dependent, or slowly kill yourself with chemicals. Not to mention if you do become dependent, try to stop using them could actually worsen your depression and give you withdraw.

The problem with depression is the fact that you can't just appreciate something, even if you normally would.
User avatar #90 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Again, it's a matter of perspective. To me, it's worth it to try and be better, to you, it might not be. This is all well and good, but if you refuse to take something that could make you better, then you do not have a right to complain when you are not better. Simple.
User avatar #93 - hor (11/08/2013) [-]
What I'm saying is that sometimes you can't see something from that perspective, even if you try. As for the second, you're right, it is preference. But why would you have no right to complain when taking it is against what you believe or you don't want to take the risk of becoming addicted?
User avatar #94 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well, it's just like a sickness, you could choose to expose yourself to disease rather than not in an effort to strengthen your immune system, or even just because you don't think running from sickness is natural, or anything really, but if you got sick from doing that, intentionally throwing yourself into that situation, you have no right to complain about being sick.

For another example, it's just plain stupid to willingly starve yourself or go on a fast, and complain about how hungry you are to everyone around you.
User avatar #96 - hor (11/08/2013) [-]
The first comparison here is dealing with something completely different. The whole point I'm saying which I've said extremely straightforward is that it's against what some people believe. It's not your fault for believing anything.

The second one, you have a point. But if somebody is complaining to everyone around them, they're likely searching for attention or it's something that they'll get past quickly and don't need medication for. Often times people who are depressed don't tell a lot of people. Those are the people who actively try to change themselves for the better, but end up failing.

What I'm seeing here is that we're debating cases for different groups of people, which is why we've had so much trouble understanding each other. I'll put it like this: There are people who want attention and think they're depressed, there are people who aren't depressed but sad which is why they complain, there are people who try to be happy and end up happy, people who try to be happy and don't, people who don't try to be happy and instead wallow, people who don't believe in taking antidepressants, people who try them but get nowhere, and people who do take them and end up better off. That's really the problem with the whole depression debate is that now it's a really broad subject with a lot of different answers depending on the person and situation.
User avatar #97 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
No it's not. I know what you've said is straight-forward, and I've been trying to go with it, but it seems that we're having a misunderstanding. In any case, it is their fault if they believe something, simply because they chose to subscribe to those beliefs.

And now you see why people get annoyed when others continue to post about, complain, or draw attention to their "Depression", and why so many people treat it like a kiddie thing. Yes, but that's usually because they're trying to change it in the wrong ways and then give up. That's not expressly their fault, but it's more due to a lack of perspective.

I see what you mean, and please allow me to explain I don't mean any offense to genuine sufferer's. I know Depression is a real and serious thing, what I'm simply advocating is the fact that everything in the world can be achieved through effort, regardless of circumstances. I apologize for any type of miscommunications we may have had on my part.
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User avatar #88 - mojado (11/08/2013) [-]
Actually let me take a crack at explaining things. To build on your house burning down thing, depression would be more like the smoke that the fire is making. You try everything you can to escape but you don't really see where your going. Taking a pill would be like finding a flashlight. It helps but its not going to solve all of your sadness. Its different for everyone too. I believe that some people can pull themselves out of it, but many people can't. Saying "just make yourself happy" is like looking at someone under a fairly heavy rock and saying "just push it off". Sure its possible for some people but not everyone can just do it.
User avatar #91 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
That actually does make it a lot clearer and I thank you for it, good sir.

However, you are mistaken; I wasn't saying "Just make yourself happy", what I was saying was exactly what you described, that you keep wading through this smoke trying to find a way out, rather than just sitting there and crying about how you wish you COULD find an exit. You see?

Everyone seems to be upset with me, not because I'm saying Depression can be solved, but because I'm saying it can be solved with hard work and effort; and apparently many people don't like that.
User avatar #114 - mojado (11/08/2013) [-]
Well then my point is that it takes a lot of strength to keep moving. Depression drains you of everything. It is really hard to even want to try to get better. Sometimes that's why people complain. Because they really do want attention. They've made it to the point where they want people to tell them that things go better. Maybe they need to know that other people think they can make it. That's why people are getting mad at you. Yeah what you are saying has some truth to it, but that's what makes depression a bitch: It usually takes more than one person to get through it. If you don't feel like you can go on you need people to say "yes you can" not "quit bitching and get to work". I think that's mainly why people are getting mad at you. You are being insensitive.
User avatar #169 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Because if I tried to be sensitive, I would get the exact same result "Oh, you just don't understand" and they would make more excuses as to why I was wrong. People don't want to hear how they can make it because that means they're flawed for not making it, they want to hear about how there is no chance they COULD have made it, so when they fail it doesn't hit so hard. At least with me being blunt I'm not wasting their time.
User avatar #42 - marcassin (11/07/2013) [-]
on't get me wrong i know i think in the wrong way, that why depression is a ill. But for the burning house it more feels like you're paralyse in a burning house
User avatar #49 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Hmm, I see. That makes it a bit clearer for me, thank you.
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User avatar #20 - thegoodgatsby (11/08/2013) [-]
1. I think it's an interesting turn to see Spider-Man in a more anti-hero role, and it's setting up for a huge crossover event with the other Spider-Men.
2. Doctor Octopus was Spider-Man's biggest villain until the Gwen Stacy incident, and he's arguably the smartest.
3. It's still Peter's brain, so he has most of Peter's memories, and when he saw how hard Peter's life was, it changed him or some shit. I don't read the series, but this is what I know.
User avatar #21 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
It would be interesting, but it's not Spiderman, it's Doctor Octopus with his brain.

While that's true, he certainly wasn't his deadliest or even the one he had the biggest attachment with.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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#46 - nandaaz (11/07/2013) [-]
It's just impossible to really describe depression to someone who hasn't actually been depressed.
When you're depressed, you feel like nothing can help you feel better, not even if you would win 10 million dollars, or suddenly got together with the love of your life. You just lose the will to fight for your life...
User avatar #51 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Really? Here, hold on.

Going into a black hole, you feel nothing; despite the fact you are ripped apart, stretched from infinity to infinity, incinerated and frozen simultaneously, and crushed by an infinite amount of weight, you feel nothing, nor do you even die. You never really go into the black-hole (or rather, perceive that you do), because your nerves and body and senses are stretched so far that the electrons carrying signals to your brain cannot possibly reach it, thus no new information presents itself. Which is funny, because you're actually dead, but you do not perceive the fact you are dead.

There. I just described what it felt like to fall into a black hole, despite the fact I have never been in one myself (granted, I suppose I did get some help from Scientists studying them and describing what it would be like from their point of view). Saying something is "impossible" to convey due to a lack of experience is a cop-out, it just means you either don't understand it enough yourself, or cannot think of anything else to say to support your side.

I know full well what it means to be sad and to lose the things you love, and furthermore I know what it's like to lose your will to live, I could even describe it to you where you have failed, if you like.
#64 - nandaaz (11/08/2013) [-]
Actually, the reason it's impossible for me to describe it is because I am just really really really bad in trying to explain things.... One of my many shortcomings....
User avatar #70 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
So it's not impossible, it's just hard work.

But in any case, that's not what you said anyways, what you said was "It's impossible to describe depression to someone who doesn't have it"
#72 - nandaaz (11/08/2013) [-]
You're right, I should have said it a bit differently:
It's impossilble for ME to describe depression to someone who hasn't experienced it.

also noticed a mistake in the end of the sentence and fixed it
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User avatar #150 - hydraetis (11/08/2013) [-]
We don't have a cure for the fucking common cold. How are we going to have a "cure" for deep-rooted mental and emotional issues?
User avatar #183 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
That's because the common cold is a constantly changing and mutating virus/bacteria, which is also why it's rarely, if ever, life-threatening.

We also have cures for the most horrible illnesses and fatal wounds on the planet, how could we NOT have cures for one of the most researched and talked about mental illnesses on the planet?
#193 - xkeiko (11/08/2013) [-]
Because, as you stated, it's mental. That's much more complicated.

It is not a parasite you can blow up with medicine.
User avatar #195 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Not necessarily. It's complicated for different reasons, but if you got a psychiatrist and a biologist in a room and asked them which one was harder to pin, they would surely get into a fist-fight.

It's not a parasite, but it is a disorder and a problem, and if a problem can be caused it can be fixed, it's just a matter of finding the right thing to fix it with.
User avatar #200 - hydraetis (11/08/2013) [-]
Which is not just simply downing anti-depressants.
User avatar #202 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
I never said it was, as a matter of fact, in many of my comments including my first, I mentioned many ways for one to help with Depression. Regardless of what people THINK I said, I promise that all I actually said in a nutshell was that Effort breeds Results, and that it is better to try with no motivation than wallow in self pity.
#206 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
So you are basically saying "IT IS YOUR FAULT YOU HAVE DEPRESSION BECAUSE YOU AREN'T DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT, GET BETTER ALREADY, GOD!" which is what people with depression get all.the.time.

Depression is a disorder, sometimes the drugs don't work and in some cases they make you feel worse and it isn't always about what it in your life. Sadly Depression can just happen even if your life is great or not, it can pop up even if you feel like it shouldn't be happening.

I have had depression for a while, it isn't like it is always there. I can be happy a lot of the time, playing games and what not and then at some point during the day i start to feel down... and it doesn't get better and i just feel drained and tired, lacking the enthusiasm to eat or watch tv, play a game or go outside for a walk, I don't want to do anything and my lack of motivation gets frustraiting, like i want to be interested but just can't and i end up walking around the house for a while, then it gets worse and i start feeling like i can't do anything right, like i am useless and that because i have such little impact on the world no one will miss me when i am gone, and i start thinking about how much easier it would be on everyone else that i didn't exist... then i cry for a while and go to sleep if i can. Sometimes feel better the next day but this can go on for a few days, any little thing could set me off crying again. I remember once i dropped the lid to a jar of jam and that made me cry... for really no reason and it felt stupid to cry and something so small... but i did anyway. You know you are being silly, but you can't stop it.

I tried taking medication, but it actually made me feel a hell of a lot worse, it would make me vomit and tired, didn't want to get out of bed and it made my depression worse and last weeks rather than just a few hours/days.

Wallowing in self pity is an awful way to do it, you have no understanding on the subject and what people with depression go through.
User avatar #209 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
...Yes, yes that is exactly what I am saying. Everyone who has Depression is just a weak pathetic loser, and I am an ignorant asshole that you can feel superior over as you go to sleep.

Depression is not a disorder, it isn't even real, all drugs are bad, but they never make you feel worse and are in fact good, I'm just stupid because I'm conservative. Legalize it.

You don't have Depression, Depression isn't real, none of this is real, we all just live in a Matrix world, a Matrix world where apparently people substitute what I'm actually saying for what they want me to say.

You didn't try anything, you just did nothing, you dirty dirty hippie.

Wallowing in self-pity is awful, except when I do it, then I'm deep and misunderstood. You're right, I don't understand a single thing that a master like yourself can comprehend, but I'm still gonna think I'm better than you and I'm too stupid to listen.
#212 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
Actually. I have tried to do something about it. Once I came off the drugs because they didn't work i went to see a councilor. Who actually understands how people with depression feel and how to handle it.

She took me a few steps on how to deal with it. Depression isn't something that vanishes but it can be made to be easier to cope with, and coping is a little different for everyone. Some harm themselves because the feeling of emotional numbness is broken by the stimulation of pain and the following releasing of endorphins into the system.

Some people it is destruction, taking control of something in a powerful way but sadly these are destructive means to something that can be helped in other ways. For me it was exercise, i felt useless, and unwanted and ugly and like i couldn't do something or be good at something and i was told to excersise, and i did. Every other day i do a routine and each time i can do it for a little longer which gives me a rather good sense of achievment. When i feel down i run or do jumps, just pushing myself to do something active. A few times though i have felt just too shoddy to even do it, which is where relapse can happen, where you just feel a sense of "what's the point?" and stop... which is where you need someone else to help, rather than handing you another potato and saying "pfft get over it already" you need someone to hand you a peeler, and go through it WITH you.

Depression is very real
I guess depression is a little like being colour blind, you can't really understand it unless you have it.
User avatar #216 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Sorry, *Posted in reply to you for the first time
User avatar #215 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well first off, none of what I posted in my reply was genuine, I was just angry.

I'm sorry about that. Please excuse my outburst and my immaturity for that brief period.

I assure you I believe none of what I posted below, but I am simply so frustrated and tired of explaining myself over, and over, and over. It seems that most of the hate I am acquiring here is not because of what I said, but because of what people THINK I said, and every second person seems to be trying so hard to put words into my mouth that you can see the strain they put into their arm.

As a genuine reply... No, I was not saying that at all, what I was saying was that effort breeds results (for the fifth time), and that it is better to try and make your circumstances better than complain of how they are not.

I'm well aware Depression is a disorder, as I have stated it in many comments multiple times, I am aware that some drugs don't work, I have explained why this was (that it was not caused by a chemical imbalance, I.E. something the drug was meant to fix), and in the off-chance it is NOT caused by attitude or mood, I am sure in my faith that there absolutely is something to help, some type of pill or system.

Perhaps I am to blame for being more rational for emotional, but I never realized why people let silly things bother-them. I know what over-thinking can do to a person, but surely this behaviour is not over-thinking. I fully admit this is something I do not understand, although I would surely like to.

Have you considered that your problems are not caused by a chemical imbalance, but rather, your circumstances?

You're right, such an action is awful and is why I'm against it. I do have an understanding on the subject, thank you; I am well acquainted with suffering, pain, sorrow, and crippling sadness, and more-so I am aware of what people with Depression go through. It's cute that so many people tell me I cannot understand, yet insist they understand the feelings of others themselves.
User avatar #218 - hydraetis (11/08/2013) [-]
My issue is that you claim to not understand but a lot of your arguments made it sound like you either thought you knew everything about it or that you refused to accept anything that everyone was saying.
User avatar #232 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well yes, that's really what you DO when you debate or have an opinion.

Well ya, how else would I get any type of point across. "I think it works like this, oh wait, it doesn't? Sorry, nevermind, I completely changed my views". I'm not a Wikipedia, I believe it works in a Black-And-White sense, and so far every piece of evidence that it doesn't has only been how people feel about it, even that guy studying to be a pharmacist. Really, me claiming to know about this is no different than them claiming they know about the experience of EVERYONE who's ever suffered from it. Furthermore, of course I will refuse to accept what someone is saying if I disagree with it, because in the end we're only throwing opinions at eachother; if they produced evidence or even a logical argument as to why it does NOT work in such a way, I would change my views.
User avatar #254 - hydraetis (11/09/2013) [-]
Depression turned me from being some super happy kid who could never be brought down into an apathetic bastard who has taken a knife to his neck multiple times just because he was bored and felt like seeing some blood.

Unless you can say that human nature is black and white (which it absolutely isn't, otherwise true communism and true capitalism would have worked), you can't say that mental problems like depression are as well. Even coming from my own completely cynical point of view I can tell this fact.

And if we go back to my argument about the common cold, you said that we don't have a cure for it because its always evolving. Well, if that can constantly change, then why can't depression and every other complex mental illness?
#217 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
If your truly understood, then you wouldn't be getting so many thumbs down. I have read your other comments....

you have said that there are new drugs coming out, this is true but no guarantee that they will work, and sometimes the side effects can be worse. Like suicidal thoughts.

The term "effort breeds content" is exactly what depressed people don't want to hear, it is another "if you try you will get better" and while this is half true it doesn't address the problem directly. For starters it is very hard to get motivation.

A good simile for this i read once is this (not exact quoting)
Depression is like being in a fast flowing river, with uneven ground and you are trying to reach the top. Each step is hard and you often find yourself stuck and clinging to a rock or branch to stay afloat. You see others passing you with ease saying "go on, it's not hard" or "just put your back into it" and then passing on without a helping hand, and so you stay stuck in the river, unable to move and watching everyone else pass you.

Depression is near impossible to get out of on your own, you need someone there to help. The reason for this is that your motivation is sapped and you really can't start something for yourself, that or you just see no point in doing so, and having someone there to push you forwards rather than just telling you to do it yourself is the key.

I can see what you are saying, but just one thing you need to see. Mental disorders never go away, but they can be made easier. In my case i have my councilor who i check up with once a week but what i didn't say was that it took someone close to me to address that i was suffering internally and made me go and see her.

For a long time i resisted.

I asked my friend for a lift to the post office and instead of taking me to where i wanted to be she took me to the councilor.

I still have depression, but it is much easier to deal with now and I would never have done it without a real kick up my arse.
User avatar #233 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Thumbs aren't for understanding, they're for opinions. The fact I'm thumbed down doesn't so much mean that I don't understand, it just means that what I have to say isn't popular; saying I'm wrong because of my red thumbs is like saying someone on the playground doesn't deserve happiness because most people bully him. You see?

Obviously not, otherwise I wouldn't have to reaffirm much of what I've already said. I could literally begin copy-pasting arguments just out of past things I've said at this point.

Yes, because Depressed people aren't having suicidal thoughts already... In any case, I've already talked about this too, and have already affirmed that any type of side-effect is worth it if it gives you life or peace of mind, after that it is just a matter of opinions. Just as well, it's true that having new ones come out isn't a guarantee they will work, but it does increase the likelihood that there is something for you.

Okay, so now you're saying that I'm wrong because you don't want to try. Alright then... In any case, yes, if you try, things get done, this is a common rule of life, effort breeds results. You're right, it doesn't; I apologize for placing my trust in people that they understand themselves on a personal level better than I do, and would know what makes them happy and seek that out. How so? Again, this is what I've been having trouble understanding; to me, the very IDEA of being content and happy is enough to motivate me.

And then you scorn them and say they must not understand, right? In any case, they've given you plenty of helping hands; self help groups, pills, systems, boards and forums, doctors, psychiatrists, and even personal things like what you enjoy, friends, and family. The problem is that many people who are Depressed don't see a point, and just try one of these things and give up for dead.

Well, in that case, I would like to become your friend. Perhaps we can help eachother.

Well why? Why did you put up such a fight?
#250 - Lacuna (11/09/2013) [-]
People with depression just can't get that motivation to try. Yes effort breeds results, but getting that effort is the hard part. But people with depression just can't. You seem to think that depressed people can just do it if they want to but a lot of them don't see themselves ever getting better, if you don't think it will work then why try? It is a vicious cycle and a truly sad one.

And yes, the idea of being happy would motivate people to do better. Like people who are overweight and think that being thinner would make them happier, they then go out and lose weight. Or people who want to learn another language. But depression works a little different, it plays on your mind and tells you that you can never get better, than you are useless and can't do anything, and that you aren't worth it, that being happy is beyond you and that you deserve to be unhappy. People who are depressed can't see a way out a lot of the time. I think this is the part that you don't understand

Yes effort breeds results.
The idea of being happier does create motivation.
People with depression can't see this. It isn't obvious to them and when the light is shone on them, they see it as out of reach. They don't try because it seems pointless. That is where the problem lies, low self esteem and seeing themselves as unworthy.

I resisted and fought help for a long time because I thought it was a waste of time. Pills were the easiest thing (I live in the UK so they are free) but they made me feel worse. I puked, got no sleep and so on.

I didn't think anyone could help, people kept telling me to do things but getting anywhere good just seemed so far out of my reach, like this was who I was and there was no point in changing, that I couldn't change. I just took a real forceful push to get me to where i needed to be.

Don't just tell someone "You have to put effort in" because they just can't see it. you really have to push them into the first step or it never gets taken.
User avatar #127 - hudis (11/08/2013) [-]
You are the same guy who posted this a few days ago:_ "[...] people show you who they really are when they're in a corner; if they stand up to you, you treat them with respect, if they are submissive, you may treat them as you please."_, and then admitted to being a Satanist. I'm sorry, but that's not really a solid foundation on which to assume that you are wise or unbiased, nor that you are not being judgemental. You seem to have a very harsh view on the world and the people in it. I'm just wondering where it comes from. Having read through this discussion here, it seems more like you're here to win the argument than to actually get anything out of it, to be frank.
User avatar #189 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well, I'm not sure what my past comments have to do about it, you could simply ask me.

Yes, I have what some would consider a very harsh view of the world, while I on the other hand just consider it black and white. To me, variables and compromises just tend to be excuses to avoid the bigger picture, and so that's what I try to focus on. If you're being more specific, it probably comes from a firm sense of personal-responsibility and justice, which in turn stems from pained childhood memories.

Hmm...now that I think about it, you are right, I may have missed the mark and may just be trying to soothe my ego rather than learn, in which case I apologize (although, if you'd check my other comments below or on this page, I think you'll find I'm quite willing to learn and understand, but people would just rather pass me off than explain). I'm also sorry if I seem cruel or insensitive to you, I just prefer to be blunt about things, as I don't appreciate people wasting my time or beating around the bush, I would like to extend the same courtesy.
User avatar #136 - neptomite (11/08/2013) [-]
honestly, i think that people who have said harsh view dont understand the world completely. i really cant explain it further, yes there is corruption and evil, but not everyone is just looking out for themselves
User avatar #190 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
You misunderstand, I am not a cynic, I believe that people are wonderful and that we're meant to help eachother, and that there is far more good in this world than there is evil. I simply see it in a more black-and-white perspective.
User avatar #112 - salmonofdoubt (11/08/2013) [-]
You must be fun at parties.
User avatar #191 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
I'm not trying to have a party.
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User avatar #30 - marcassin (11/07/2013) [-]
And sorry, but the "you just have to make yourself happy." is a proof you don't understand how it feels. And again no hae on you, just make yourself happy is probably the most difficult things on earth, even if you're not depressed. You have to understand that things that use to makes you happy don't work anymore, of course you try to go out with friends, eat a good lunch with your familly, have fun, but after all that it just the same thing, you end up with your thought, alone in your head.
User avatar #27 - marcassin (11/07/2013) [-]
but you seems to not understand, maybe i not express mysefl the right way too . When you are really depressed you CANT take pills, it's simple as that. You must have strong circle of friend/family to force you to do it. i not claim to be wise, i just tell you my "story" . And when i sid you don't or can't understand i don't say you're stupid or whatever. Just as human can't understand how it feels to fly cause we're not able to do it
User avatar #38 - captainfuckitall (11/07/2013) [-]
Perhaps you're right, I don't understand, but that certainly isn't for a lack of trying...

Well thank you for telling me your story, sir, but I still don't see it. I mean, if your house is burning down, you escape, or try to put it out, or rebuild, you don't sit there and think about all the ways your house shouldn't have burnt down, or all the things you're going to lose, or just "don't feel like leaving", you just get out of there.

Because you're trying to achieve happiness in the wrong way. You're trying to reach out and grab it as if it's something to be attained, but it's not, it's something that you have to cultivate from inside yourself.
User avatar #88 - mojado (11/08/2013) [-]
Actually let me take a crack at explaining things. To build on your house burning down thing, depression would be more like the smoke that the fire is making. You try everything you can to escape but you don't really see where your going. Taking a pill would be like finding a flashlight. It helps but its not going to solve all of your sadness. Its different for everyone too. I believe that some people can pull themselves out of it, but many people can't. Saying "just make yourself happy" is like looking at someone under a fairly heavy rock and saying "just push it off". Sure its possible for some people but not everyone can just do it.
User avatar #91 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
That actually does make it a lot clearer and I thank you for it, good sir.

However, you are mistaken; I wasn't saying "Just make yourself happy", what I was saying was exactly what you described, that you keep wading through this smoke trying to find a way out, rather than just sitting there and crying about how you wish you COULD find an exit. You see?

Everyone seems to be upset with me, not because I'm saying Depression can be solved, but because I'm saying it can be solved with hard work and effort; and apparently many people don't like that.
User avatar #114 - mojado (11/08/2013) [-]
Well then my point is that it takes a lot of strength to keep moving. Depression drains you of everything. It is really hard to even want to try to get better. Sometimes that's why people complain. Because they really do want attention. They've made it to the point where they want people to tell them that things go better. Maybe they need to know that other people think they can make it. That's why people are getting mad at you. Yeah what you are saying has some truth to it, but that's what makes depression a bitch: It usually takes more than one person to get through it. If you don't feel like you can go on you need people to say "yes you can" not "quit bitching and get to work". I think that's mainly why people are getting mad at you. You are being insensitive.
User avatar #169 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Because if I tried to be sensitive, I would get the exact same result "Oh, you just don't understand" and they would make more excuses as to why I was wrong. People don't want to hear how they can make it because that means they're flawed for not making it, they want to hear about how there is no chance they COULD have made it, so when they fail it doesn't hit so hard. At least with me being blunt I'm not wasting their time.
User avatar #42 - marcassin (11/07/2013) [-]
on't get me wrong i know i think in the wrong way, that why depression is a ill. But for the burning house it more feels like you're paralyse in a burning house
User avatar #49 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Hmm, I see. That makes it a bit clearer for me, thank you.
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#23 - nandaaz (11/07/2013) [-]
The side-effects are actually enough reason not to take them for a large number of people, because those would make their life even more miserable..
Less libido/erectile disfunction would certainly ruin the mood.
Suicide thoughts was already explained by you.
Changes in your behaviour will often occur, and not many people are happy with that.
Not everybody who is depressed will get the idea of taking anti-depression pills, it's just not something you think about when you're depressed (and I mean just depressed, not some disorder that makes you depressed)
People are afraid of getting addicted. So people who need pills might get talked out of using pills by family/friends.
There's also people who are resistant or allergic to them, so they can't take them either.
User avatar #35 - captainfuckitall (11/07/2013) [-]
Libido becomes less important as you get older. Besides, if you're that depressed, sex shouldn't be your first priority.
It's better to try and cure yourself and die trying than living with it and dying anyways.
I fail to see how that's a bad thing, considering your behaviour is probably something that adds to your depression.
While that may be true, that still doesn't give you a right to complain. Just because you don't FEEL like doing anything doesn't mean you can't.
Better to be addicted than dead.
Eh, there are new pills getting pumped out all the time, I'm sure there's one that they are not resistance or allergic to, considering that Depression is one of the most well studied and researched mental disorders in the world.

Yet there are plenty of ways to get money. People get rich all the time, there are even people who are literally famous because they're famous. Furthermore, I personally know a man who is in a tough situation. He has no house, no family, no friends, not a penny to his name, and doesn't even have a drivers license. How do I know? Because I'm renting him a room. Anyways, he goes on and on about how he has no money, how if only he had this or this (which would actually be rather cheap) he could get back on his feet, then every paycheck he goes to a bar, or go smokes weed, or spends it on women, and every month it's the same god-damn thing. It's actually very easy to get money, most people just don't know how to save.

Eh, beat the shit out of them. Bullies tend to stop when they realize you won't take their shit.

Indeed that's true, but as I already talked about there are pills and systems to solve or even to help cope with that type of thing.

Because they're not depressed over a chemical reaction, they're usually depressed over some stupid teenage drama, so what would a pill do? It's called "Teenage phase" for a reason.

Maybe I just don't get it because I'm a rational person, but to me it still seems pretty simple. Problem = needing fixing.
#46 - nandaaz (11/07/2013) [-]
It's just impossible to really describe depression to someone who hasn't actually been depressed.
When you're depressed, you feel like nothing can help you feel better, not even if you would win 10 million dollars, or suddenly got together with the love of your life. You just lose the will to fight for your life...
User avatar #51 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Really? Here, hold on.

Going into a black hole, you feel nothing; despite the fact you are ripped apart, stretched from infinity to infinity, incinerated and frozen simultaneously, and crushed by an infinite amount of weight, you feel nothing, nor do you even die. You never really go into the black-hole (or rather, perceive that you do), because your nerves and body and senses are stretched so far that the electrons carrying signals to your brain cannot possibly reach it, thus no new information presents itself. Which is funny, because you're actually dead, but you do not perceive the fact you are dead.

There. I just described what it felt like to fall into a black hole, despite the fact I have never been in one myself (granted, I suppose I did get some help from Scientists studying them and describing what it would be like from their point of view). Saying something is "impossible" to convey due to a lack of experience is a cop-out, it just means you either don't understand it enough yourself, or cannot think of anything else to say to support your side.

I know full well what it means to be sad and to lose the things you love, and furthermore I know what it's like to lose your will to live, I could even describe it to you where you have failed, if you like.
#64 - nandaaz (11/08/2013) [-]
Actually, the reason it's impossible for me to describe it is because I am just really really really bad in trying to explain things.... One of my many shortcomings....
User avatar #70 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
So it's not impossible, it's just hard work.

But in any case, that's not what you said anyways, what you said was "It's impossible to describe depression to someone who doesn't have it"
#72 - nandaaz (11/08/2013) [-]
You're right, I should have said it a bit differently:
It's impossilble for ME to describe depression to someone who hasn't experienced it.

also noticed a mistake in the end of the sentence and fixed it
#24 - nandaaz (11/07/2013) [-]
And about improving your life when depressed, here are some reasons that isn't very simple:
-Some are depressed because their life circumstances are shitty, and they can't do anything about it (in the near future), like being poor.
-Some are depressed because of bullies, and while I do agree there IS a way to get rid of bullies, I must say that it's absolutely not easy, so people will often walk around with mental scars for years.
-Some are depressed because of a disorder, like Blarge and Daemmerung already talked about.
-Over 80% of teenagers between 12-16 will get depressed for a few months/years, for no apparent reason. Because society knows this is normal, not much is done about it, even though they might commit suicide. This includes not giving them pills, because if those teenagers DON'T deal with it, they will have a bigger chance of resorting to medication later in life, even when they don't need it.
-When you're depressed, you don't think about making your life better. Depending on the type/seriousness of your depression (I'm not educated about this as Daemmerung but I have some knowledge) you might think things ranging from "Man, I'm feeling a bit down.. I'm gonna lie in bed" to "I just want this (emotional) pain to end... I'm going to jump in front of a train tonight".
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User avatar #17 - marcassin (11/07/2013) [-]
just sometimes being deprssed makes you unable to solve or even try to. That's what the post from tumb explain, and why lots of people can't understand. I don't "hate" on you cause you can't understand, i hope you'll never can if it means you'll never be really depressed. But the fact is the "real" depression thing is a black hole, it sucks your energy, your willing, and all the joy you had or could have.
#25 - nandaaz (11/07/2013) [-]
While english isn't your mother language, you explained depression in the best way one could ever explain it.
User avatar #22 - captainfuckitall (11/07/2013) [-]
And? If it's caused by a chemical imbalance, you get a pill, it fixes it, then you just make yourself happy.

If it's not caused by a chemical imbalance, you just have to make yourself happy.

Either way, actually trying is better than not doing anything at all, no?

Eh, see, you had my respect until the whole "You can't understand" shpeel. Experience is not indicative to wisdom, there are plenty of people who make the same mistakes over and over and never learn, because it's not about experience, it's about a point of view.
User avatar #30 - marcassin (11/07/2013) [-]
And sorry, but the "you just have to make yourself happy." is a proof you don't understand how it feels. And again no hae on you, just make yourself happy is probably the most difficult things on earth, even if you're not depressed. You have to understand that things that use to makes you happy don't work anymore, of course you try to go out with friends, eat a good lunch with your familly, have fun, but after all that it just the same thing, you end up with your thought, alone in your head.
User avatar #27 - marcassin (11/07/2013) [-]
but you seems to not understand, maybe i not express mysefl the right way too . When you are really depressed you CANT take pills, it's simple as that. You must have strong circle of friend/family to force you to do it. i not claim to be wise, i just tell you my "story" . And when i sid you don't or can't understand i don't say you're stupid or whatever. Just as human can't understand how it feels to fly cause we're not able to do it
User avatar #38 - captainfuckitall (11/07/2013) [-]
Perhaps you're right, I don't understand, but that certainly isn't for a lack of trying...

Well thank you for telling me your story, sir, but I still don't see it. I mean, if your house is burning down, you escape, or try to put it out, or rebuild, you don't sit there and think about all the ways your house shouldn't have burnt down, or all the things you're going to lose, or just "don't feel like leaving", you just get out of there.

Because you're trying to achieve happiness in the wrong way. You're trying to reach out and grab it as if it's something to be attained, but it's not, it's something that you have to cultivate from inside yourself.
User avatar #88 - mojado (11/08/2013) [-]
Actually let me take a crack at explaining things. To build on your house burning down thing, depression would be more like the smoke that the fire is making. You try everything you can to escape but you don't really see where your going. Taking a pill would be like finding a flashlight. It helps but its not going to solve all of your sadness. Its different for everyone too. I believe that some people can pull themselves out of it, but many people can't. Saying "just make yourself happy" is like looking at someone under a fairly heavy rock and saying "just push it off". Sure its possible for some people but not everyone can just do it.
User avatar #91 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
That actually does make it a lot clearer and I thank you for it, good sir.

However, you are mistaken; I wasn't saying "Just make yourself happy", what I was saying was exactly what you described, that you keep wading through this smoke trying to find a way out, rather than just sitting there and crying about how you wish you COULD find an exit. You see?

Everyone seems to be upset with me, not because I'm saying Depression can be solved, but because I'm saying it can be solved with hard work and effort; and apparently many people don't like that.
User avatar #114 - mojado (11/08/2013) [-]
Well then my point is that it takes a lot of strength to keep moving. Depression drains you of everything. It is really hard to even want to try to get better. Sometimes that's why people complain. Because they really do want attention. They've made it to the point where they want people to tell them that things go better. Maybe they need to know that other people think they can make it. That's why people are getting mad at you. Yeah what you are saying has some truth to it, but that's what makes depression a bitch: It usually takes more than one person to get through it. If you don't feel like you can go on you need people to say "yes you can" not "quit bitching and get to work". I think that's mainly why people are getting mad at you. You are being insensitive.
User avatar #169 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Because if I tried to be sensitive, I would get the exact same result "Oh, you just don't understand" and they would make more excuses as to why I was wrong. People don't want to hear how they can make it because that means they're flawed for not making it, they want to hear about how there is no chance they COULD have made it, so when they fail it doesn't hit so hard. At least with me being blunt I'm not wasting their time.
User avatar #42 - marcassin (11/07/2013) [-]
on't get me wrong i know i think in the wrong way, that why depression is a ill. But for the burning house it more feels like you're paralyse in a burning house
User avatar #49 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Hmm, I see. That makes it a bit clearer for me, thank you.
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User avatar #19 - Daemmerung (11/07/2013) [-]
I don't have extra luxuries. After my semester cost and my heart meds (I have extra nerve endings in my heart, options are either surgery or medication, and school gives me no recuperation time, so...), I can barely afford meals. I rely exclusively on the free bus passes the school gives out to get to school, because they don't have on-campus housing for grad students. If I had to pay for gas, I'd either have to choose between discontinuing my heart meds and dying from heart failure a little down the line, or discontinuing my one-to-on-rare-occasions-two meals a day and potentially starving myself out.

And as far as trying to tell me that refractory cases are not legitimate, and that we have to have something that works, please, do remember that this is my primary area of study. I am, at this point, less than 2 years from my doctorate. Refractory cases happen, and it sucks for the people that get stuck with them. The fact that psychiatric disorders are actually my specialization in the field of pharmacy also renders your assumption that you have more academic experience with depression (what with you "studying" it on "numerous occasions") most likely a moot point. You know, if your lack of pertinent information and obvious bias on the subject didn't do so already (it kinda does).

I ended with that cop-out, as you call it, because, frankly, I didn't want to end by telling you that you are a clearly underinformed individual, because I did not want to offend. I was also at the character limit. However, I seem to have struck a nerve, and apologize for such.

Anyways, I am done arguing. Maybe study for a few more occasions. Keep an open mind while doing so, and you might learn something.
User avatar #32 - captainfuckitall (11/07/2013) [-]
And you have no friends? No family? Can't take out any type of loans? Don't have insurance? If you were having that many issues, I would be happy to loan you some money indefinitely provided you paid it back at some point.

I never said they weren't legitimate, what I said was that it's hard to imagine that one of the most studied psychological disorders (which you already know, I'm sure) is 'so confusing' that we don't have a solution to nearly every form. I know full well what your area of study is, as you already said it was as a Pharmacist, and as far as I know, you're not obligated to study anything, nor does it give you more authority than your average doctor or psychiatrist (which is also why so many people consider them useless). Well, for all your specializations, it seems your colleges disagree with you:forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/can-pharmacist-specialize.680896/ As noted in their own post, your profession is quite new and thus has very few 'solid' specializations, and even now trying to look them up, I can't find much to go on. I never said I knew more than you, what I said was your 'experience' having it doesn't count for wisdom. I also like how you put my assertions in quotation marks, implying I was lying or embellishing when, chances are, you're doing it far more than I am. I'm not bias, what I'm saying is genuine and comes from critical thinking and my own experiences; realistically, I'm just as 'bias' as you are, having it.

It isn't called anything else, it IS a cop-out, because experience does not substitute for wisdom, and saying someone cannot understand unless they experience is simply idiotic. You haven't struck a nerve, I'm completely calm and pride myself on my patience; my writing may seem aggravated because it is blunt, but I promise that I myself am not aggravated, I just do not like having my time wasted, and thus extend the same courtesy to others.

Eh, I fail to see how anything you have said refutes my first comment.
User avatar #150 - hydraetis (11/08/2013) [-]
We don't have a cure for the fucking common cold. How are we going to have a "cure" for deep-rooted mental and emotional issues?
User avatar #183 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
That's because the common cold is a constantly changing and mutating virus/bacteria, which is also why it's rarely, if ever, life-threatening.

We also have cures for the most horrible illnesses and fatal wounds on the planet, how could we NOT have cures for one of the most researched and talked about mental illnesses on the planet?
#193 - xkeiko (11/08/2013) [-]
Because, as you stated, it's mental. That's much more complicated.

It is not a parasite you can blow up with medicine.
User avatar #195 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Not necessarily. It's complicated for different reasons, but if you got a psychiatrist and a biologist in a room and asked them which one was harder to pin, they would surely get into a fist-fight.

It's not a parasite, but it is a disorder and a problem, and if a problem can be caused it can be fixed, it's just a matter of finding the right thing to fix it with.
User avatar #200 - hydraetis (11/08/2013) [-]
Which is not just simply downing anti-depressants.
User avatar #202 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
I never said it was, as a matter of fact, in many of my comments including my first, I mentioned many ways for one to help with Depression. Regardless of what people THINK I said, I promise that all I actually said in a nutshell was that Effort breeds Results, and that it is better to try with no motivation than wallow in self pity.
#206 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
So you are basically saying "IT IS YOUR FAULT YOU HAVE DEPRESSION BECAUSE YOU AREN'T DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT, GET BETTER ALREADY, GOD!" which is what people with depression get all.the.time.

Depression is a disorder, sometimes the drugs don't work and in some cases they make you feel worse and it isn't always about what it in your life. Sadly Depression can just happen even if your life is great or not, it can pop up even if you feel like it shouldn't be happening.

I have had depression for a while, it isn't like it is always there. I can be happy a lot of the time, playing games and what not and then at some point during the day i start to feel down... and it doesn't get better and i just feel drained and tired, lacking the enthusiasm to eat or watch tv, play a game or go outside for a walk, I don't want to do anything and my lack of motivation gets frustraiting, like i want to be interested but just can't and i end up walking around the house for a while, then it gets worse and i start feeling like i can't do anything right, like i am useless and that because i have such little impact on the world no one will miss me when i am gone, and i start thinking about how much easier it would be on everyone else that i didn't exist... then i cry for a while and go to sleep if i can. Sometimes feel better the next day but this can go on for a few days, any little thing could set me off crying again. I remember once i dropped the lid to a jar of jam and that made me cry... for really no reason and it felt stupid to cry and something so small... but i did anyway. You know you are being silly, but you can't stop it.

I tried taking medication, but it actually made me feel a hell of a lot worse, it would make me vomit and tired, didn't want to get out of bed and it made my depression worse and last weeks rather than just a few hours/days.

Wallowing in self pity is an awful way to do it, you have no understanding on the subject and what people with depression go through.
User avatar #209 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
...Yes, yes that is exactly what I am saying. Everyone who has Depression is just a weak pathetic loser, and I am an ignorant asshole that you can feel superior over as you go to sleep.

Depression is not a disorder, it isn't even real, all drugs are bad, but they never make you feel worse and are in fact good, I'm just stupid because I'm conservative. Legalize it.

You don't have Depression, Depression isn't real, none of this is real, we all just live in a Matrix world, a Matrix world where apparently people substitute what I'm actually saying for what they want me to say.

You didn't try anything, you just did nothing, you dirty dirty hippie.

Wallowing in self-pity is awful, except when I do it, then I'm deep and misunderstood. You're right, I don't understand a single thing that a master like yourself can comprehend, but I'm still gonna think I'm better than you and I'm too stupid to listen.
#212 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
Actually. I have tried to do something about it. Once I came off the drugs because they didn't work i went to see a councilor. Who actually understands how people with depression feel and how to handle it.

She took me a few steps on how to deal with it. Depression isn't something that vanishes but it can be made to be easier to cope with, and coping is a little different for everyone. Some harm themselves because the feeling of emotional numbness is broken by the stimulation of pain and the following releasing of endorphins into the system.

Some people it is destruction, taking control of something in a powerful way but sadly these are destructive means to something that can be helped in other ways. For me it was exercise, i felt useless, and unwanted and ugly and like i couldn't do something or be good at something and i was told to excersise, and i did. Every other day i do a routine and each time i can do it for a little longer which gives me a rather good sense of achievment. When i feel down i run or do jumps, just pushing myself to do something active. A few times though i have felt just too shoddy to even do it, which is where relapse can happen, where you just feel a sense of "what's the point?" and stop... which is where you need someone else to help, rather than handing you another potato and saying "pfft get over it already" you need someone to hand you a peeler, and go through it WITH you.

Depression is very real
I guess depression is a little like being colour blind, you can't really understand it unless you have it.
User avatar #216 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Sorry, *Posted in reply to you for the first time
User avatar #215 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well first off, none of what I posted in my reply was genuine, I was just angry.

I'm sorry about that. Please excuse my outburst and my immaturity for that brief period.

I assure you I believe none of what I posted below, but I am simply so frustrated and tired of explaining myself over, and over, and over. It seems that most of the hate I am acquiring here is not because of what I said, but because of what people THINK I said, and every second person seems to be trying so hard to put words into my mouth that you can see the strain they put into their arm.

As a genuine reply... No, I was not saying that at all, what I was saying was that effort breeds results (for the fifth time), and that it is better to try and make your circumstances better than complain of how they are not.

I'm well aware Depression is a disorder, as I have stated it in many comments multiple times, I am aware that some drugs don't work, I have explained why this was (that it was not caused by a chemical imbalance, I.E. something the drug was meant to fix), and in the off-chance it is NOT caused by attitude or mood, I am sure in my faith that there absolutely is something to help, some type of pill or system.

Perhaps I am to blame for being more rational for emotional, but I never realized why people let silly things bother-them. I know what over-thinking can do to a person, but surely this behaviour is not over-thinking. I fully admit this is something I do not understand, although I would surely like to.

Have you considered that your problems are not caused by a chemical imbalance, but rather, your circumstances?

You're right, such an action is awful and is why I'm against it. I do have an understanding on the subject, thank you; I am well acquainted with suffering, pain, sorrow, and crippling sadness, and more-so I am aware of what people with Depression go through. It's cute that so many people tell me I cannot understand, yet insist they understand the feelings of others themselves.
User avatar #218 - hydraetis (11/08/2013) [-]
My issue is that you claim to not understand but a lot of your arguments made it sound like you either thought you knew everything about it or that you refused to accept anything that everyone was saying.
User avatar #232 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well yes, that's really what you DO when you debate or have an opinion.

Well ya, how else would I get any type of point across. "I think it works like this, oh wait, it doesn't? Sorry, nevermind, I completely changed my views". I'm not a Wikipedia, I believe it works in a Black-And-White sense, and so far every piece of evidence that it doesn't has only been how people feel about it, even that guy studying to be a pharmacist. Really, me claiming to know about this is no different than them claiming they know about the experience of EVERYONE who's ever suffered from it. Furthermore, of course I will refuse to accept what someone is saying if I disagree with it, because in the end we're only throwing opinions at eachother; if they produced evidence or even a logical argument as to why it does NOT work in such a way, I would change my views.
User avatar #254 - hydraetis (11/09/2013) [-]
Depression turned me from being some super happy kid who could never be brought down into an apathetic bastard who has taken a knife to his neck multiple times just because he was bored and felt like seeing some blood.

Unless you can say that human nature is black and white (which it absolutely isn't, otherwise true communism and true capitalism would have worked), you can't say that mental problems like depression are as well. Even coming from my own completely cynical point of view I can tell this fact.

And if we go back to my argument about the common cold, you said that we don't have a cure for it because its always evolving. Well, if that can constantly change, then why can't depression and every other complex mental illness?
#217 - Lacuna (11/08/2013) [-]
If your truly understood, then you wouldn't be getting so many thumbs down. I have read your other comments....

you have said that there are new drugs coming out, this is true but no guarantee that they will work, and sometimes the side effects can be worse. Like suicidal thoughts.

The term "effort breeds content" is exactly what depressed people don't want to hear, it is another "if you try you will get better" and while this is half true it doesn't address the problem directly. For starters it is very hard to get motivation.

A good simile for this i read once is this (not exact quoting)
Depression is like being in a fast flowing river, with uneven ground and you are trying to reach the top. Each step is hard and you often find yourself stuck and clinging to a rock or branch to stay afloat. You see others passing you with ease saying "go on, it's not hard" or "just put your back into it" and then passing on without a helping hand, and so you stay stuck in the river, unable to move and watching everyone else pass you.

Depression is near impossible to get out of on your own, you need someone there to help. The reason for this is that your motivation is sapped and you really can't start something for yourself, that or you just see no point in doing so, and having someone there to push you forwards rather than just telling you to do it yourself is the key.

I can see what you are saying, but just one thing you need to see. Mental disorders never go away, but they can be made easier. In my case i have my councilor who i check up with once a week but what i didn't say was that it took someone close to me to address that i was suffering internally and made me go and see her.

For a long time i resisted.

I asked my friend for a lift to the post office and instead of taking me to where i wanted to be she took me to the councilor.

I still have depression, but it is much easier to deal with now and I would never have done it without a real kick up my arse.
User avatar #233 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Thumbs aren't for understanding, they're for opinions. The fact I'm thumbed down doesn't so much mean that I don't understand, it just means that what I have to say isn't popular; saying I'm wrong because of my red thumbs is like saying someone on the playground doesn't deserve happiness because most people bully him. You see?

Obviously not, otherwise I wouldn't have to reaffirm much of what I've already said. I could literally begin copy-pasting arguments just out of past things I've said at this point.

Yes, because Depressed people aren't having suicidal thoughts already... In any case, I've already talked about this too, and have already affirmed that any type of side-effect is worth it if it gives you life or peace of mind, after that it is just a matter of opinions. Just as well, it's true that having new ones come out isn't a guarantee they will work, but it does increase the likelihood that there is something for you.

Okay, so now you're saying that I'm wrong because you don't want to try. Alright then... In any case, yes, if you try, things get done, this is a common rule of life, effort breeds results. You're right, it doesn't; I apologize for placing my trust in people that they understand themselves on a personal level better than I do, and would know what makes them happy and seek that out. How so? Again, this is what I've been having trouble understanding; to me, the very IDEA of being content and happy is enough to motivate me.

And then you scorn them and say they must not understand, right? In any case, they've given you plenty of helping hands; self help groups, pills, systems, boards and forums, doctors, psychiatrists, and even personal things like what you enjoy, friends, and family. The problem is that many people who are Depressed don't see a point, and just try one of these things and give up for dead.

Well, in that case, I would like to become your friend. Perhaps we can help eachother.

Well why? Why did you put up such a fight?
#250 - Lacuna (11/09/2013) [-]
People with depression just can't get that motivation to try. Yes effort breeds results, but getting that effort is the hard part. But people with depression just can't. You seem to think that depressed people can just do it if they want to but a lot of them don't see themselves ever getting better, if you don't think it will work then why try? It is a vicious cycle and a truly sad one.

And yes, the idea of being happy would motivate people to do better. Like people who are overweight and think that being thinner would make them happier, they then go out and lose weight. Or people who want to learn another language. But depression works a little different, it plays on your mind and tells you that you can never get better, than you are useless and can't do anything, and that you aren't worth it, that being happy is beyond you and that you deserve to be unhappy. People who are depressed can't see a way out a lot of the time. I think this is the part that you don't understand

Yes effort breeds results.
The idea of being happier does create motivation.
People with depression can't see this. It isn't obvious to them and when the light is shone on them, they see it as out of reach. They don't try because it seems pointless. That is where the problem lies, low self esteem and seeing themselves as unworthy.

I resisted and fought help for a long time because I thought it was a waste of time. Pills were the easiest thing (I live in the UK so they are free) but they made me feel worse. I puked, got no sleep and so on.

I didn't think anyone could help, people kept telling me to do things but getting anywhere good just seemed so far out of my reach, like this was who I was and there was no point in changing, that I couldn't change. I just took a real forceful push to get me to where i needed to be.

Don't just tell someone "You have to put effort in" because they just can't see it. you really have to push them into the first step or it never gets taken.
User avatar #127 - hudis (11/08/2013) [-]
You are the same guy who posted this a few days ago:_ "[...] people show you who they really are when they're in a corner; if they stand up to you, you treat them with respect, if they are submissive, you may treat them as you please."_, and then admitted to being a Satanist. I'm sorry, but that's not really a solid foundation on which to assume that you are wise or unbiased, nor that you are not being judgemental. You seem to have a very harsh view on the world and the people in it. I'm just wondering where it comes from. Having read through this discussion here, it seems more like you're here to win the argument than to actually get anything out of it, to be frank.
User avatar #189 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
Well, I'm not sure what my past comments have to do about it, you could simply ask me.

Yes, I have what some would consider a very harsh view of the world, while I on the other hand just consider it black and white. To me, variables and compromises just tend to be excuses to avoid the bigger picture, and so that's what I try to focus on. If you're being more specific, it probably comes from a firm sense of personal-responsibility and justice, which in turn stems from pained childhood memories.

Hmm...now that I think about it, you are right, I may have missed the mark and may just be trying to soothe my ego rather than learn, in which case I apologize (although, if you'd check my other comments below or on this page, I think you'll find I'm quite willing to learn and understand, but people would just rather pass me off than explain). I'm also sorry if I seem cruel or insensitive to you, I just prefer to be blunt about things, as I don't appreciate people wasting my time or beating around the bush, I would like to extend the same courtesy.
User avatar #136 - neptomite (11/08/2013) [-]
honestly, i think that people who have said harsh view dont understand the world completely. i really cant explain it further, yes there is corruption and evil, but not everyone is just looking out for themselves
User avatar #190 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
You misunderstand, I am not a cynic, I believe that people are wonderful and that we're meant to help eachother, and that there is far more good in this world than there is evil. I simply see it in a more black-and-white perspective.
User avatar #112 - salmonofdoubt (11/08/2013) [-]
You must be fun at parties.
User avatar #191 - captainfuckitall (11/08/2013) [-]
I'm not trying to have a party.

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User avatar #489 - myfourthaccount (07/18/2014) [-]
dude, you're like my most favorite person on earth right now haha
User avatar #487 - imvlad (05/04/2014) [-]
you brought shame to your house
User avatar #483 - aerosol (04/22/2014) [-]
Have you by chance had an older account here before?
User avatar #484 to #483 - captainfuckitall (04/22/2014) [-]
Yes I have. My first username was Hiimquinn, but it was deleted for some reason I never found, so I just made another.
#485 to #484 - aerosol (04/22/2014) [-]
Oh. Never mind then. I saw someone call you Dave and I mistook you for someone else.
User avatar #486 to #485 - captainfuckitall (04/22/2014) [-]
It's fine. It was a joke from a picture a while back where a man was looking out the window and saw a dog and his owner walking down the street. The dog barked at another, bigger dog, and his owner just turned and said "See, this is why you have no ******* mates, Dave".
User avatar #481 - iforgotmyothername (03/20/2014) [-]
you are one cool tempered potato compared to me, bringing my fury upon your wrongness. i salute you, and thumbed up all your comments in the a capella debate.
User avatar #482 to #481 - captainfuckitall (03/20/2014) [-]
It's alright, I apologize for making you upset, but you don't need to thumb my posts up. Thumbs are a way to express positivity or negativity toward any type of comments; if you do not like them, it is perfectly within your right to thumb them down.
User avatar #474 - aherorising (11/20/2013) [-]
you're a really cool bro
#471 - shiifter (10/06/2013) [-]
This still makes me giggle.

Oh and by the way, i never actually thumbed you down. I just said that i did.
User avatar #472 to #471 - captainfuckitall (10/06/2013) [-]
The thing is, the way I found OUT you gave me those thumbs was because of the question mark, which allows people to see who voted on content. I could only KNOW it was you if you had thumbed them down, which you did.

And now you not only prove to be an idiot, but a liar as well.
#473 to #472 - shiifter (10/12/2013) [-]
Wait? You still remembered that? That's hilarious.

By the way, i screencapped this. it's like a trophy.
User avatar #468 - satrenkotheone (09/22/2013) [-]
I would just like to say thank you.
#466 - anonymous (08/25/2013) [-]
Due to your pointlessly rude comment on the post "Jesus ain't got time for **** ",

I have gone through 20 of your previous comments and thumbed them all down.

You're also a stupid, unfunny, tryhard feelfag. Exactly the kind of user that this site is infamous for.
User avatar #467 to #466 - captainfuckitall (08/25/2013) [-]
I wasn't pointlessly rude. If you read it more carefully, you would find I am not insulting your god or faith, but rather, the people who spread it about; and even they are just doing it to themselves, while I am mearly making an observation

It's ironic you call me tryhard, considering you just went through the time to thumb-down my last 20 comments as if it would have any effect on me personally or my ranking here. It's also odd you call me stupid, considering you were the one who read it uncorrectly. And I think the fact I have so many comment thumbs anyways (including my own jesus comment) speaks to the point that I am, in fact, quite hilarious. "Feelfag", is that supposed to be a derogatory term for someone who is passionate about certain things? If so, then I take pride in it, as it is only through passion that things grow.

Considering you are pretentious, arrogant, immature, and without a sense of humour; you fit the criteria for '12 year old funnyjunker' far better than I do.
#463 - captainspankmonkey (07/16/2013) [-]
Hey, I would just like to say thank you for telling me to get an account.   
Yea I know, odd thing to give thanks for when I could have gotten one easily but then again, I was a dumb bastard then and could not think very well.   
I notice your comments from time to time and get some good knowledge off of them, mainly the Lovecraft related ones.   
But like I said, thank you very much and continue to be awesome.
Hey, I would just like to say thank you for telling me to get an account.
Yea I know, odd thing to give thanks for when I could have gotten one easily but then again, I was a dumb bastard then and could not think very well.
I notice your comments from time to time and get some good knowledge off of them, mainly the Lovecraft related ones.
But like I said, thank you very much and continue to be awesome.
User avatar #464 to #463 - captainfuckitall (07/16/2013) [-]
You are just a wonderful person, you know that? Thank you very much for your kind words and appreciation, and I'm glad you have made an account and made many friends here, including myself
#465 to #464 - captainspankmonkey (07/16/2013) [-]
You're welcome, good sir.
You're welcome, good sir.
User avatar #461 - potgardener (06/01/2013) [-]
youre pretty ****** in the head if beating a kid is a good idea, parents would need to hit their kids if they taught them what was right and wrong from the beginning
User avatar #462 to #461 - captainfuckitall (06/01/2013) [-]
It's ironic how you talk about avoiding situations, when your very comment isn't needed considering I already explained, about five times now, that I do not mean you must 'abuse' your children in order to get good results. My comment, and all the comments afterwards, were about how when compassion and support fails you must turn to punishment and discipline, including simply smacking your kid upside the head

Perhaps you should read more and get better informed before jumping to opinions, yes?
#459 - bossdelainternet (05/11/2013) [-]
I'd just like to say thank you for created one of the funniest  threads i've seen this year.   
To sum up why i thought it was so funny, a quote...   
"Most people would say 'I lost. I give up.', but you, you just keep trying. You're like the Dominican Republic, always killing the guy in charge and saying 'Ah, this new guy, this new guy's gonna get it right!'." - Family Guy
I'd just like to say thank you for created one of the funniest threads i've seen this year.
To sum up why i thought it was so funny, a quote...
"Most people would say 'I lost. I give up.', but you, you just keep trying. You're like the Dominican Republic, always killing the guy in charge and saying 'Ah, this new guy, this new guy's gonna get it right!'." - Family Guy
User avatar #460 to #459 - captainfuckitall (05/11/2013) [-]
I'm not sure whether I should take that as a compliment or an insult

I choose the former

Thank you, good sir
#453 - WhattheNorris (11/12/2012) [-]
I just thought I'd let you know that I just did an awful thing and quoted your majestic deep words of death wisdom onto my facebook. I gave you credit, but as part of my shame for stealing I thought I'd tell you. That was honestly one of the best things I've ever read.

Which is also why I screencapped it. Don't worry I swear I'm not going to try to get to frontpage with it I just wanted to save it.
User avatar #454 to #453 - captainfuckitall (11/12/2012) [-]
Not at all, I am not concerned with thumbs in the least. If you would like to post it, by all means do so, if you'd like to take credit, do so as well; I care not for material value or fame, as long as comprehend and understand the message
#455 to #454 - WhattheNorris (11/12/2012) [-]
Oh man you just keep getting better:)    
   
But I wouldn't dare steal your credit.
Oh man you just keep getting better:)

But I wouldn't dare steal your credit.
#449 - captainspankmonkey (02/27/2012) [-]
Internet problems
That is why :P
User avatar #450 to #460 - captainfuckitall (02/27/2012) [-]
ahhh, haha, sorry then :P
#447 - anonymous (09/26/2011) [-]
you're a lovely person
User avatar #448 to #458 - captainfuckitall (09/26/2011) [-]
awe, thank you, kind stranger :3

that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside :D
#444 - captainspankmonkey (08/22/2011) [-]
Im becoming level 28 soon
User avatar #445 to #454 - captainfuckitall (08/22/2011) [-]
sooooooooooooooooon............
User avatar #446 to #455 - captainspankmonkey (08/22/2011) [-]
very soooooooooooooooooooooon......
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