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#76 - You need to blow his/her butthole in struggle number 12. 06/08/2014 on Cat compilation number two! 0
#17 - djunkiemonkie* 05/18/2014 on byfidelsbeard's profile 0
#101 - Oh my God! It's a revolver!  [+] (1 new reply) 04/02/2014 on fuckin asians 0
#106 - schmettermuschi (04/02/2014) [-]
**schmettermuschi rolled image** then lets SPIN that bastard!!
#15 - Nee, dat is op zich al een slechte grap, en zo werkt 1 april niet. 04/01/2014 on byfidelsbeard's profile 0
#97 - No because in communism the state should be completely abolished. 03/23/2014 on Communism; now with free... -1
#16 - There is no unemployment in communist countries. Capitalis…  [+] (26 new replies) 03/22/2014 on Communism; now with free... +3
User avatar #32 - nought (03/22/2014) [-]
simply untrue, no type of government can 100% manage every single person entering, leaving, retiring, or quitting the labor force. There will always be some frictional unemployment
User avatar #42 - jewishcommunazi (03/23/2014) [-]
It was usually <1% if I'm not mistaken though, so it's still pretty decent.
User avatar #46 - nought (03/23/2014) [-]
let's take a look at two successful communist countries with <1% unemployment: soviet union and North Korea! Oh wait! The soviet union collapsed, with a huge recessionary period following. I don't think I need to say anything about north korea best korea btw inb4 china officially has capitalism with chinese characteristics
User avatar #50 - jewishcommunazi (03/23/2014) [-]
Except they both went to shit after capitalist / market reforms. China did fine with the reforms unlike the other two, I have to admit.
User avatar #68 - thefates (03/23/2014) [-]
Russia was just fine when it got capitalist reforms from Lenin and his policy of, as he said, "Taking one step backwards to take 2 steps forwards." However, Russia only went down after the capitalist reforms were removed by Stalin. Russia was simply to large to be supported by only communism.
North Korea has no capitalist reforms and has never left the 1980s as well as cut itself off from the rest of the world so that their country doesn't know they're crap.
In some school I can't remember they did a study on one specific class for the entire student body to see. They told the class that whatever the highest score was on any test everyone would get to have that same score no matter who did the work. Because of this, anyone who normally didn't care about school got perfect grades and anyone who always cared and tried hard also got perfect grades as usual. However, as these kids get getting good grades they did less and less until they did almost nothing at all and there were only a few kids left supporting it all. Those kids eventually grew tired and everyone's grades all together plummeted in the class because no one was there to do the work. The only thing that the History professor who instituted the rule had to say was, "This is why true communism does not work."
This is the same reason that many soviet era buildings are unstable and dangerous. Workers just didn't want to put in any effort and the architects could get away with engineering pieces of crap.
People are naturally lazy and if don't give someone an incentive for being active it's not going to happen.
User avatar #83 - jewishcommunazi (03/23/2014) [-]
Lenin supported a gradual change towards socialism rather than immediate change. Considering the conditions, certain capitalist-oriented policies were necessary for some time, but just like war communism, the NEP was also a necessary temporary policy.

North Norea has a market economy and a system of hierarchy according to what I saw. It might not be that reliable so I have no certainties, but North Korea abandoned socialism ideologically a long time ago, so they might've gotten rid of some of the economic parts.

A moneyless society can find other incentives to work besides money. For example: you work harder, people will respect you more for your contribution, if you don't people won't respect you that much. Also, the USSR never left the socialist stage, which means people were still paid according to their work.
User avatar #84 - thefates (03/23/2014) [-]
But there was no way that anyone could tell who was the best because everyone did only what they had to in order to get paid. Remember, they were paid for quantity of work not quality.
User avatar #88 - jewishcommunazi (03/23/2014) [-]
Yes, but that's how it worked everywhere else, demand was bigger than supply and factories had to focus on producing more and more all over the world.
User avatar #90 - thefates (03/23/2014) [-]
Then how come infrastructure isn't shit all over the world because of the lack of competent architecture? Really, even though there was more incentive to work because there was socialism there still wasn't enough especially for people who didn't or couldn't work in factories. There was an ex-soviet Russian guy who visited our school who said he personally did not work much during that era (upon being questioned by a student who wasn't me about it). He had an office job and all the work he did was only enough to get what he needed to live. Communism has no basis for success and is an unattainable ideal. Humans are simply to selfish to work for next to nothing.
User avatar #93 - jewishcommunazi (03/23/2014) [-]
Human behaviour is largely influenced by societal values.
User avatar #55 - nought (03/23/2014) [-]
Really? I wasn't aware North Korea put in capitalist reforms. And I thought it was obvious the reforms, specifically glasnost put in at the very end, had nothing to do with the collapse as it had already been going on internally for many years. People are way too greedy for communism to work on a large scale, and the only thing that came out was overspending on military and a complete lack of a domestic economy.
User avatar #64 - jewishcommunazi (03/23/2014) [-]
Most of the reforms that caused the USSR to colapse (in my opinion) were the ones introduced by Kruschov and Brejnev, especially Brejnev. About North Korea, there's some documentary about it, but I don't remember which, they rejected communism before the USSR collapsed and even estabilished some kind of hierarchies. Their current ideas aren't exactly capitalist, but they're explicitly opposed to the revolutionary left.

"People are way too greedy for communism to work on a large scale..."

That's why communists don't believe it will be achieved over a few days (except maybe according to the anarchists, but I don't know much about their tactics to achieve it so I don't really know), "from each according to his ability to each according to his work" makes it so that the ones who benefit society the most are the ones who are the most benefitted.
User avatar #67 - nought (03/23/2014) [-]
Or you create a welfare state with freeloaders everywhere. There's no incentive to work hard, because you'll make just as much as the next guy.
User avatar #69 - jewishcommunazi (03/23/2014) [-]
That's not how socialist states worked.

'Accordingly, the individual producer receives back from society -- after the deductions have been made -- exactly what he gives to it.'
- Critique of the Gotha Program

' ARTICLE 12. In the U.S.S.R. work is a duty and a matter of honour for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: "He who does not work, neither shall he eat."

The principle applied in the U.S.S.R. is that of socialism : "From each according to his ability, to each according to his work." '
- Soviet constitution
User avatar #82 - nought (03/23/2014) [-]
So if you don't eat if you don't work, and if you're paid how hard you work, you're not upholding the idea of "common ownership", so isn't it just capitalism? And if you have a state controlled market, why would you expect the state to do a better job allocating resources than individual interests? This is not to say there should be no regulation, but communist countries too often end up with corrupt officials and dictators.
User avatar #85 - jewishcommunazi (03/23/2014) [-]
Yes, but common ownership for the means of production.
I believe a partial fix to corruption and dictatorship is democratic centralism and a few purges.
User avatar #21 - allamericandude (03/22/2014) [-]
It's actually really easy to have zero unemployment. The trick is to simply take a job that could be done by a machine, and replace it with 300 workers off the street. Instead of using dump trucks and digging machines to build a road, just use a thousand youths with shovels! It's horribly inefficient, and it creates a drag on the economy because it stifles innovation and takes those workers away from doing better things with their time. The wages are usually pretty shit, too. But hey, zero unemployment!
User avatar #45 - jewishcommunazi (03/23/2014) [-]
Yeah, but they managed very low unemployment rates without doing that.
User avatar #96 - allamericandude (03/23/2014) [-]
Who did?
User avatar #98 - jewishcommunazi (03/23/2014) [-]
The most known example is the USSR with its first 5-year plan. If I'm not mistaken, employment was close to 100%, even though the USSR modernized its economy faster than any country had ever been able to.
User avatar #100 - allamericandude (03/23/2014) [-]
The five year plan was doing exactly what I talked about. The jobs weren't created out of necessity from the market (as they should be). The government simply created them out of thin air. This gave the appearance that their economy was advancing quickly--which it was in a sense, but there was no substance to it.

It's a common strategy among authoritarian governments (communist or capitalist) as a last ditch effort to kick-start the economy. The US tried a similar thing in the 30's with its public works programs, among other things. But these efforts actually prolonged the Great Depression--most countries had seen some sort of recovery by that time, we didn't fully recover until a few years after WWII.
User avatar #101 - jewishcommunazi (03/23/2014) [-]
Would a yugoslav-style economy be more acceptable in your opinion?
User avatar #102 - allamericandude (03/23/2014) [-]
Poor Yugoslavia has been so fucked by wars, Soviet-era politics, and mismanagement that it hasn't had much chance to even have an economy. It's practically a third-world country.

So, no.
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User avatar #103 - jewishcommunazi (03/23/2014) [-]
Pretty much every former yugoslav I met misses it, even though it was doomed to instability since it was estabilished.
User avatar #99 - jewishcommunazi (03/23/2014) [-]
Country or set of countries, since the USSR was about 14 countries.
#17 - Look at that filthy capitalist. With your money in his pockets… 03/16/2014 on AMERICA +1
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#11 - Kids age 8 and 10 are legally required to have a babysitter in the US?  [+] (1 new reply) 03/03/2014 on Hes right 0
User avatar #14 - assdoreponyfucker (03/03/2014) [-]
i believe its 13 or 14 you can stay home by yourself in the us, but i could be wrong. i'd come back home 2 hours before my mother would be there ever since i was 9
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User avatar #17 to #16 - byfidelsbeard ONLINE (05/18/2014) [-]
User avatar #14 - demonssoul (04/01/2014) [-]
Deze grap was toch beter geweest:

User avatar #15 to #14 - byfidelsbeard ONLINE (04/01/2014) [-]
Nee, dat is op zich al een slechte grap, en zo werkt 1 april niet.
User avatar #11 - demonssoul (03/05/2014) [-]

Voor het geval dat ge het gemist hebt
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User avatar #8 - demonssoul (02/20/2014) [-]

Wie wil er nu géén wizard (tovenaar) zijn?
#9 to #8 - byfidelsbeard ONLINE (02/21/2014) [-]
Bij Fidels baard! Nog acht jaartjes wachten. We mogen trots zijn.
User avatar #7 to #6 - byfidelsbeard ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
Alleen sta ik wel altijd op rond 10 uur, en ik denk niet dat gij aan wetenschap doet. En de gedachte dat ik een sociaal leven heb, is al helemaal belachelijk.
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User avatar #2 to #1 - demonssoul (12/10/2013) [-]

Antisemitisme is wel populair tegenwoordig precies.
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