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|#578 - The only problem I have with this whole gun control issue is t… [+] (6 new replies)||01/18/2013 on Oh Obama||0|
#632 - knuckleheaded (01/18/2013) [-]
Frankly I haven't heard a single logical defense on the republican side for why we shouldnt have stricter gun laws, unless you count the "fight the government"/doomsday preppers BS. Also the largely Repub funded NRA decided to blame violent video games, of all things, when studies the world over have shown there are no ties between violent media and violent reality. I just mowed down four freight trucks in a driveby on sleeping dogs with a submachinegun, does that mean I'll leave my house and go do it in real life too? No. At least the prez is doing something. Not to mention the heavier penalties for a gun related crime and more background checks for gun purchases. Those are proposals that might actually make a difference.
#708 - bumpin (01/18/2013) [-]
Really? Not even one logical argument? How about the fact that its in the Constitution for one. The reason the founders put the right to bear arms in the Constitution was so that the people could protect themselves not from each other, but from the government. Disarmament is the precursor to Tyranny. People like Chavez and Fidel Castro made disarmament their first priority after taking power. Its much easier to control an unarmed population. I'm not saying that our government is that way, but by the way things have been going, its safe to assume that something fishy is going on. Secondly, the NRA doesn't speak for all Republicans or gun owners. Most people who want more gun control have probably never used a gun in their life. Some people make a living selling and using guns. Making it harder to own guns will only weaken our economy even more. Lastly, I'd like to point out that I'm not a Republican and I do believe things like background checks are a good idea. But I believe it is very Unconstitutional to "ban" any type of weapon, and the fact that Obama is using executive orders to do so is, in my opinion, tyrannical.
#757 - knuckleheaded (01/19/2013) [-]
I should've clarified; by logical, I did not mean the second amendment. If that is the only defense a gun owner can come up with for owning a so called "assault weapon", then I think it's questionable they deserve to buy any at all. We need to have smarter reasons for owning guns than the fact that a piece of paper from 220 years ago says we can, and so far, it's the only one I've heard given by the conservative bigot side of the media. You make a great argument for it, and I honestly have to applaud you for that. Thank you!
My point with bringing up the NRA was that, though they don't speak for all, they are a key voice in defending gun rights, but instead of using logical, sound arguments such as you posited, they went for misdirection first thing. It's disappointing when the one organization for defending a right can't even do it well.
There's so much more discussion that needs to be had on this issue, and not enough people who know what they're talking about to have it.
#763 - bumpin (01/19/2013) [-]
I completely agree! You sir are a gentlemen and a scholar. Most people would just bash me for being a gun nut, but at least you had the decency to help me understand where you're coming from. I think the term "assault rifle" needs clarification. Usually, people who hunt like to have things like shotguns or rifles because they can increase the chances of hitting the target. But I digress. I agree, the NRA is going about this the wrong way and it only convinces me more that we may need a third party in America to come and work for THE PEOPLE and not for themselves. But that's just my opinion. I really hope we have more discussions like this in the future, you are actually intelligent and informed when it comes to these issues lol XD
#592 - 2scared2login (01/18/2013) [-]
watch fox and you will see the conservative bigot view.
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