First guy is right though. Except the bullshit about hugging and being more generous. Violence cannot be stopped with more violence. We have to do things the old Western way let them in and let them fall. Let them fall hard. Let them feel the weight of their own beliefs. Offer them freedom and nothing more. If they decide not to integrate, shun them. Cut them off. Let them bleed themselves dry. When they finally pick themselves back up they will be better, smarter, stronger, and able to integrate.

Right now they're barbaric. They haven't gone through what the West did in the reformation period. They haven't sacrificed millions of their own for the cause of freedom. That's the one solution and the one thing that the West can't do for them.

We defend ourselves and give aid to only those who have proven themselves and deserve respect. Perhaps we can even learn something from them. But as it stands they are a violent, fanatic people. We cannot allow them to offend our freedoms, but just as well we cannot be consumed by hate.

The problem with that concept of integration isn't "let us all integrate" it's "you integrate into us".

In this situation, yeah - fuck those guys causing problems over there. But is it really integration when you expect newcomers to throw away everything and be just like you? That seems more like absorption. "Welcome! Now act like white people or die like a dog." about sums up most of Western history. I'm not even being racist or anti-white or wtfever you ingrates will blast me with for that, it's just historical facts what with British Empire expansion and colonization, and what was done to the Native Americans and shit like that.

I think cultural enrichment is a good thing. But I think any extremist needs to die. Got guys trying to fuck up the country and hurt its people? Kill them. But hating all of them just means the REAL refugees who desperately need your help are probably gonna end up dead at your fence. It's real easy for us to get hoity-toity 'keep those savages out' about it, but we never consider it could damn well happen to us, too.

Cultural enrichment only works when the values are not antithetical. And in this case, they are. Sharia is the exact opposite of due process, freedom of speech, separation of Church and State, and other values that Western Europeans fought, bled, and died to not only develop, but protect. There is no "integration." In this case it is the road to war.

There are deep philosophical values that Westerners hold that Muslim countries as well as Muslim people (in general) from those countries do not hold. For example, the capacity to empathize and accept other people. Look at the immigration policy of Islamic countries and take a closer look at Israel as well. And the refugees have been taking advantage of this. They are pushing, testing the waters, seeing how the West will react to their aggression. And so far they're not impressed, and the extremists will push this until the EU is ISIL if they can, while other Muslims will sit idle or even cheer them on.

Do you know what Europeans saw when they got to the Americas? Cannibals who would kill and eat other Native American tribes. People who had hardly any concept of property. People who went to war over which God was the rain god (something reminiscent of their own brutal history). They also saw peaceful tribes who would participate in trading, and who they were more than happy to accept to certain degrees. Sadly it wasn't perfect but Western culture at that time, while still brutal, was no more brutal than native tribes in Africa or the Americas, but so much stronger and so much more reasonable. If you think the Spanish were brutal to the Aztecs, look how brutal the Aztecs were to the Aztecs. After seeing what the Aztecs did to their own people, the Spanish were probably so desensitized to the brutality that they couldn't even see the Aztecs as people anymore. Same goes to Africa.