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#86 - The Bible and other religion's doctrines were written a long t…  [+] (1 new reply) 08/24/2013 on N s s p 0
User avatar #89 - thereoncewasaman (08/24/2013) [-]
The problem with ignoring parts of the bible that are now rightly seen as barbaric is that it discredits the rest of the book; why believe any of it when so much has been shown to be wrong or evil.

I'm not even gonna argue on that one, if you actually think the only things you should believe in are things that haven't been completely disproven then you are lost.

In the case of Schrodingers cat though the reality that exists independently of us is a physical, tangible reality. I can't say you are wrong because you can't prove a negative, but it sounds a bit absurd.

Morality held in fear of divine wrath is a poor and unstable morality. Better to teach people empathy than to scare them into being good. Religion certainly discourages critical thinking, people don't have to question or discover things they are presented with an answer and they accept it without analyzing it. I haven't read Descartes' reasoning for god's existence, but I will say that we have no evidence to say god exists at all, so any line of reasoning built upon a shaky premise is inherently shaky, no matter how solid the logic within it is.

I actually believe religion was helpful in getting us to where we are today. There was a time were the threat of divine punishment was a useful deterrent, and without that fearful morality it might have been difficult for our race to survive. But we have advanced beyond the need for religion as a means of explanation or morality, and it does more harm than good. It's time for humankind to stop believing in fairy tales, we have outgrown them at this point in our maturation as a species.

It may be rude to say someone's beliefs are folly but it is far less rude than those beliefs themselves, which claim all who don't accept them are evil and will suffer for it.
#51 - That's not true. Both could be partially right or neither coul…  [+] (3 new replies) 08/24/2013 on N s s p 0
User avatar #61 - thereoncewasaman (08/24/2013) [-]
Why do you think atheists don't like religion? It's because most of those religions tell us that we are wrong, amoral, disgusting, perverse, and that we will burn in hell for not believing what they believe. While not all members of those religions agree with or preach those things they are still present in the religions doctrine, and that's something you can't ignore or change.

Moving on, you can't really definitively prove something doesn't exist, and because of that the best and most logical position to default to is disbelief, until evidence is provided to prove it. Saying that because something hasn't been disproven it is logical to believe in it is absurd and silly.

Schrodingers cat was a thought experiment he used to display how bizarre and absurd he found quantum mechanics. The cat in the box either is dead or isn't, and us observing it only changes its state in our own minds, because in a more absolute sense the observation changes nothing, reality is what it is beyond our perception.

Religion is not required to give people a moral code, we as humans do have an innate sense of right and wrong as a result of our high levels of intelligence and our ability to feel empathy. We can also be taught what is right and wrong without needing to invoke the threat of divine wrath. Even though religion does provide people with peace of mind and can give some (often flawed) morals it also indirectly discourages critical thinking and promotes accepting things to be true without any good evidence for them.

Having a moral code does not stop people from being rude; look at the countless people who promote awful things, call people awful names, tell them awful things will happen to them or deserve to happen to them, and all entirely because of the moral code they got from their religion. The world would be a less rude place if religion did not exist. It is not rude to point out the evils that are being caused by religion, its rude to take offense to the criticism.
User avatar #86 - bongobongo (08/24/2013) [-]
The Bible and other religion's doctrines were written a long time ago, in a different time. It is instinctual to discriminate based on differences, and that is something we can't ignore or change. But by choosing to ignore the part of the Bible that says we should stone non-Christians, we step above the baser instincts, and that which was written back when tribal connections actually mattered, no longer applies.

It is indeed logical to believe in something that hasn't been disproven, in fact that is the only thing you can believe in logically. Until it is proven false, it is not silly to believe in, rather it is exactly the same as any other fact you hold to be true. If tomorrow gravity was proven to not exist, it would still be logical to believe in it today.

I know what Schrodinger's cat was. Why couldn't the reality of my religious beliefs be what is beyond my perception, and until I actually observe God or whatever there is above us, in my mind it is in a state of existence?

Obviously religion isn't required to have a moral code. It just gives extra incentive to have one, which some people desperately need. Religion doesn't discourage critical thinking, in fact it fosters it. Some of the greatest philosophy was on the existence of God. Descartes' reasoning for the existence of God is extremely analytical and thought-provoking. To truly believe in a higher power takes examining what that higher power means to you, and why you would believe in it.

I think the world would be incredibly ruder without religion, because we would have a background of lawlessness from back when religion actually kept people in check.

It's not rude to point out the evils that are being caused by religion, it's rude to call someone else's beliefs a folly.

For the record, I'm a Quaker.
User avatar #89 - thereoncewasaman (08/24/2013) [-]
The problem with ignoring parts of the bible that are now rightly seen as barbaric is that it discredits the rest of the book; why believe any of it when so much has been shown to be wrong or evil.

I'm not even gonna argue on that one, if you actually think the only things you should believe in are things that haven't been completely disproven then you are lost.

In the case of Schrodingers cat though the reality that exists independently of us is a physical, tangible reality. I can't say you are wrong because you can't prove a negative, but it sounds a bit absurd.

Morality held in fear of divine wrath is a poor and unstable morality. Better to teach people empathy than to scare them into being good. Religion certainly discourages critical thinking, people don't have to question or discover things they are presented with an answer and they accept it without analyzing it. I haven't read Descartes' reasoning for god's existence, but I will say that we have no evidence to say god exists at all, so any line of reasoning built upon a shaky premise is inherently shaky, no matter how solid the logic within it is.

I actually believe religion was helpful in getting us to where we are today. There was a time were the threat of divine punishment was a useful deterrent, and without that fearful morality it might have been difficult for our race to survive. But we have advanced beyond the need for religion as a means of explanation or morality, and it does more harm than good. It's time for humankind to stop believing in fairy tales, we have outgrown them at this point in our maturation as a species.

It may be rude to say someone's beliefs are folly but it is far less rude than those beliefs themselves, which claim all who don't accept them are evil and will suffer for it.
#319 - **bongobongo rolled a random comment #21 posted by jaked … 08/22/2013 on This Guy 0
#70 - Rich enough to have a trellis, a gazebo and a hammock? My mom …  [+] (1 new reply) 08/22/2013 on Take out the dog +1
#102 - anonymous (08/22/2013) [-]
Then you're a nigger and taking advantage of the system. You don't need food-stamps.
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#83 - **bongobongo rolled a random image posted in comment #53 at…  [+] (2 new replies) 08/21/2013 on Puppy +25
#86 - neznanc (08/21/2013) [-]
catch grenades?
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#90 - **bongobongo rolled a random image posted in comment #312483… 07/31/2013 on help me!!! +2
#18 - This is why I haven't eaten at all today 07/29/2013 on description -2
#1 - I see four bitches. 07/29/2013 on Faceswapping done right 0
#187 - Did you know cats purr at a frequency which can heal bone?  [+] (1 new reply) 07/29/2013 on Almost Reading 0
User avatar #212 - siridontcare (07/29/2013) [-]
wait what? please tell me more!
#24 - I think lightbulb had a heart attack 07/24/2013 on Old people are awesome 0
#88 - I do. 07/22/2013 on Royal Exitement. +2
#13 - Picture 07/22/2013 on Royal Exitement. +18
#132 - William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy were both jewish, actually. 07/19/2013 on The Derpsons 0
#23 - That awkward moment when I'm using an IBM ThinkPad right now... 07/14/2013 on Keyboard nipple things -... +1
#10 - **bongobongo rolled a random image posted in comment #520733… 07/14/2013 on WIN 0
#769 - The last game I played was Candy Crush... 07/13/2013 on Win 0
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#101 - **bongobongo rolled a random image posted in comment #8 at … 07/13/2013 on automatic toilet -1
#10 - Serves him for not being white. 07/13/2013 on I left the school +1
#8 - **bongobongo rolled a random image posted in comment #6685 … 07/13/2013 on Speed Metal. 0
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