Dude stop commenting please. I just said simply and less arrogantly I dont really care what you believe in. Stop, just stop, I understand you love "God" but this is an atheists channel. Simply your long ass and repetitive comments are getting annoying. Just Saiyan.

My soul isn't bothered your starting to get annoying. Hmmmmmmmm it's interesting that you posted as anonymous.

Also thank you for your prayers but I think you shiuld pray more for yourself For Im not searching for eternal bliss anymore forI have found it :) The path of a christian is more dangerous painful tempting and filled with suffering than most but it leads to Jesus so irs all worth it :)

Dude stop commenting please. I just said simply and less arrogantly I dont really care what you believe in. Stop, just stop, I understand you love "God" but this is an atheists channel. Simply your long ass and repetitive comments are getting annoying. Just Saiyan.

My soul isn't bothered your starting to get annoying. Hmmmmmmmm it's interesting that you posted as anonymous.

If suffering is not "unreasonable pain" why do some people die due to suffering. You can ask for all the strength you want, but nothing is going to help you if you've lost 6 or 7 pints of blood...In a non-physical sense of suffering, still there is only so much that can be done. One has to realize that there comes a point where they have to move on. How can god control or affect what is going on in the human conscience and subconscience if both of those are built upon free-will. That is going against the "free" part of free will. I find it kind of funny how people talk about these"worldly pleasures" in a negative manner. They, along with everything, was created by god so why are the bad things? And once again, I have seen family members go to god for help with drug addiction but that had no affect at all. You previously said "God gives us suffering" so that's why I am going off of that, and from what I have heard from others, "he gives us suffering to grow and learn." What's the point of being human and having and understanding logic if you refuse to apply it to anything? Logic doesn't mess the bible up, the bible messes common sense up. And no, I don't think I can make any sense of how jesus or god came to be because there is no hard evidence supporting it. Yeah jesus may have been a guy a long time ago who helped people, but was he "godly" or whatever; most likely not. And yes it is crazy to believe god impregnated a woman without conception (sex). If jesus was human, what explains all of his non-human abilities? I can't cure people and I am sure you can't turn water into wine, and we are both humans. No one else can do what he "did" so therefore, his characteristics are not those of a human. If he hesitated so much, why did he help those in need, why did he make that blind man see? The fact is he "used" those abilities he had so therefore, he couldn't have had that much humility. So when god makes stuff levitate it's "godly powers" but...cont.

if I made stuff levitate that is magic and I am in huge trouble. That just doesn't add up.

Good argument, but there is no proof there is a creator. That's like going into school and having your teacher ask you what 2+2 is and you saying 17. She asks how and you say "it just is," she wouldn't give you a very good grade because there is no proof 2+2=17. He may have seen both sides, but he chose to allow both to happen instead of preventing it. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think the bible supported gambling...but when god does it it's ok. He "makes" the rules but doesn't seem to follow them. Well yes, with christianity if you do something bad all you have to do is repent and you're forgiven so in a sense no body should go to hell if that's all it takes. It just seems like a way to scare people instead of saying "don't do something or you will be damned, no exceptions." That way would make the world a lot better IMO. Well no all of those people may have saw mary, but that doesn't change the fact that ONE man created the image to show other people. As you say, people are full of sin and lying is one of those sins. And yeah I understand how the catholic church happened, but it seems like forced coincidence. People of the time needed something to follow and something seemed like it happened after someone asked for it and it gave people a "reason" to follow it. On top of that the whole praying thing doesn't make sense to me: if it happens, it was god, if it doesn't, god works in mysterious ways. So in that sense, something "proving god" HAS to happen if you say both outcomes are because of god. Would you mind explaining what happened to both of those saints. And like I said, I support your opinions, friend. You follow what you want to follow and be your own person in order to make yourself happy. And don't worry about it lol

Simple biology as in the basics of how life function. I meant it is simple because it is very basic knowledge of how parts of the body works. And no we aren't just bodies, but our "heart, souls and minds" (which I know you mean in a theoretical, mental manner, not physical) are all controlled by synapses in our brains. Those electrical pulses that go through our neurons are what control how we think. Yes, we have influence on how those synapse function to an extent due to environmental influences and the fashion in which one is raised. Every thing can be explained with technical terms and facts, although I am no expert in them. It's not a miracle, it's how the body of animals have changed and adapted over time.

Not miracles...simple biology. And for the thought; electrical currents being passed through neurons in our brains.

Lol simple biology?? Science is complex and beautiful in its complexity. And thats why that "simple biology" is a miracle. Because we arent just bodies, but hearts, souls, and minds too.

Simple biology as in the basics of how life function. I meant it is simple because it is very basic knowledge of how parts of the body works. And no we aren't just bodies, but our "heart, souls and minds" (which I know you mean in a theoretical, mental manner, not physical) are all controlled by synapses in our brains. Those electrical pulses that go through our neurons are what control how we think. Yes, we have influence on how those synapse function to an extent due to environmental influences and the fashion in which one is raised. Every thing can be explained with technical terms and facts, although I am no expert in them. It's not a miracle, it's how the body of animals have changed and adapted over time.

Like I have been saying, all of those videos and pictures can be made by anyone with access to photo shop or CGI programs. Look at all of these movies out today with aliens and shit running around that look so realistic." in fact no human in the world has the right to look down on anyone else." Quote from a previous comment. If you don't look down on people then you have to consider them equals or greater. I believe I previously explained the whole, without a creator the created wouldn't have done anything in the first place which links humans mistakes to this higher power. lol, Once again AD(after death) would insinuate he was a zombie, but I get what you're saying. 1) Suffering is a gift now? "gee, thanks for taking my arm away god, that thing was a pest!" 2) Tell that to all of the drug addicts who OD'd. 3) Kids who watch their parents be brutally murdered then are forced to go through many houses for foster care probably don't have much joy in their lives. 4) If you don't deserve love from this guy you worship, what's the point. There is no completeness in your beliefs if you don't think you're good enough. 5) Well for one, Jesus was not a normal human at all...he was a part of god(or something like that) who forced himself into the womb of a virgin in order to walk the earth. By that sense, he isn't human at all. Along with that, he was magic, which is frowned upon by the bible. I appreciate that, but it isn't your fault or anyone else but the perpetrator's fault for what has happened. There's nothing you can do about the past.
All in all, I greatly respect you for having this love for your beliefs; that's how everyone should be. Furthermore, I'm glad we could have this conversation without turning into a fight along with the name calling. I'm sorry if I offended you at all during this, friend, for that wasn't my intentions. I appreciate this conversation and wish you the best in your future. Take it easy.

Finally just because I dont deserve his love doenst mean he doesnt love me :)

Btw you misunderstood suffering, its not unreasonable pain, and you dont ask for it but for the strength to fight through it for it. Akes our souls stronger. Drug addicts are alsoa unfortunate example of how much we really need god. For no matter how much we indulge our selves in worldly pleasures to satisfy our desires, we will never quench our thirst. The only way to find peace and love is through jesus and if anything he will overquench your thirst lol :). Like I said before god doesnt give us suffering but the strength to overcome it. Finally, lolwutt?? See your trying to use logic again and of course it messes the bible up for u. Do u really think you can make sense out of how jesus came to be? God made the stars, pluto, and mars. Him managing to make a woman he created pregnant with his son isnt crazy at all compared tobthat lol. And jesus was human through that. Yes he still had all of his godly powers but he also had our desires, temptations, and struggles. Jesus if anything hesitated to do miracles out of his humilty lol. He wasnt magic he is god.Hope I managed to make a least a little sense with this reply lol. Btw Im glad we r having this discussion too and no u have never offended u and I hope I havent offended u either. God bless :)

If suffering is not "unreasonable pain" why do some people die due to suffering. You can ask for all the strength you want, but nothing is going to help you if you've lost 6 or 7 pints of blood...In a non-physical sense of suffering, still there is only so much that can be done. One has to realize that there comes a point where they have to move on. How can god control or affect what is going on in the human conscience and subconscience if both of those are built upon free-will. That is going against the "free" part of free will. I find it kind of funny how people talk about these"worldly pleasures" in a negative manner. They, along with everything, was created by god so why are the bad things? And once again, I have seen family members go to god for help with drug addiction but that had no affect at all. You previously said "God gives us suffering" so that's why I am going off of that, and from what I have heard from others, "he gives us suffering to grow and learn." What's the point of being human and having and understanding logic if you refuse to apply it to anything? Logic doesn't mess the bible up, the bible messes common sense up. And no, I don't think I can make any sense of how jesus or god came to be because there is no hard evidence supporting it. Yeah jesus may have been a guy a long time ago who helped people, but was he "godly" or whatever; most likely not. And yes it is crazy to believe god impregnated a woman without conception (sex). If jesus was human, what explains all of his non-human abilities? I can't cure people and I am sure you can't turn water into wine, and we are both humans. No one else can do what he "did" so therefore, his characteristics are not those of a human. If he hesitated so much, why did he help those in need, why did he make that blind man see? The fact is he "used" those abilities he had so therefore, he couldn't have had that much humility. So when god makes stuff levitate it's "godly powers" but...cont.

if I made stuff levitate that is magic and I am in huge trouble. That just doesn't add up.

Yeah then human accomplishments must also be linked to our creator no? Like I said, God saw all of the possible futures for us when he created us, he saw that the pastor could choose to rape, but also so the good the pastor could do. In fact, for every rape, murder, slander, gossip, bully, suicide he saw sacrifice, love, forgiveness, joy, genorosity, creation, and patience. Think of it like this, when he created Mother Teresa, he saw the sin she could, but also saw the good. this is the gamble he has made out of love and faith in us when he created us. He saw the struggles, pains, and suffering in our way in this life and had the faith in us that we can overcome it and be filled with even more love. As christian, I believe that our good is so much stronger than our sin, as weird as that may sound. Look about the proof of miracles, something tells me that the people who all happen to see Mother Mary in France arent in a conspiracy. The fact about the catholic church is that it started with only 12 people....13 people who were mocked, ridiculed, persecueted, and scoffed at for their faith. But then the miracles happened, the martyrs happened, the holy spirit happened and is still happening, the conversions happened, the charites happened, the saints happened, the love happened. Before you know it, the most persecuted faith becomes the national faith of Rome and the first book to ever be published is the bible. If your still in doubt about miracles look at the recent saints. Saint Alphonsa and Saint Padre Pio are good examples :). In the end, all I kniw is that Jesus changed my heart and entered it with love. I came from a messed up catholic family too, and I used to hate mother mary and jesus. But that part of my soul is dead for I am in deep love with Jesus and my mother mary and Im not unashamed. Also sorry if I sound a little dumb when I talk about science lol Im only 16.

Good argument, but there is no proof there is a creator. That's like going into school and having your teacher ask you what 2+2 is and you saying 17. She asks how and you say "it just is," she wouldn't give you a very good grade because there is no proof 2+2=17. He may have seen both sides, but he chose to allow both to happen instead of preventing it. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think the bible supported gambling...but when god does it it's ok. He "makes" the rules but doesn't seem to follow them. Well yes, with christianity if you do something bad all you have to do is repent and you're forgiven so in a sense no body should go to hell if that's all it takes. It just seems like a way to scare people instead of saying "don't do something or you will be damned, no exceptions." That way would make the world a lot better IMO. Well no all of those people may have saw mary, but that doesn't change the fact that ONE man created the image to show other people. As you say, people are full of sin and lying is one of those sins. And yeah I understand how the catholic church happened, but it seems like forced coincidence. People of the time needed something to follow and something seemed like it happened after someone asked for it and it gave people a "reason" to follow it. On top of that the whole praying thing doesn't make sense to me: if it happens, it was god, if it doesn't, god works in mysterious ways. So in that sense, something "proving god" HAS to happen if you say both outcomes are because of god. Would you mind explaining what happened to both of those saints. And like I said, I support your opinions, friend. You follow what you want to follow and be your own person in order to make yourself happy. And don't worry about it lol

Yeah, I've tried that approach. If he doesn't want to show himself when people aren't looking AND when they are looking, then he doesn't deserve my respect or love. I was raised in a christian family, but couldn't accept any of it since I didn't see or feel anything. And like I said, ALL of those events can be recreated by anybody. If the shroud went back to BC (before christ), how did he wipe his face in it.... All of this "proof of miracles" can't be proven because like you said, everyone sins. You can't believe someone found jesus' face on a wall or where ever because chances are, that person did it just to be known. And like I said before, I have done all of this and nothing has happened. So sometimes god just wants to make people suffer, is that what you're saying because that's sure how it sounded. Yeah, I actually was a close relative of that boy. Trust me, the whole family asked why and never got an answer. And once again with the rape situation; it was a family member. Every time she looks at the kid she sees him and hates herself for what happened. She is miserable every day and is on depression meds; and where is god? No where to be seen, making things happen in "mysterious ways." So every time the pastors rape a kid, all they have to do is say "oh I'm very sorry for what I did," and they're forgiven? Does that seem right that the kid has to live with that now? You think that a person who rapes a little kid is equal to you? You think he is just as good as you are so you can't look down on him? I see this suffering first hand, I live through it, and I never see a reason to believe in god. If he is "almighty" and tells people how to live, why doesn't he intervene. Why doesn't everyone KNOW he exists. Why do we have to go to him, he is the one who needs our love. I understand the premises of religion and I respect that people follow it, but I cannot believe in something that goes against all logic and that I have no proof of.

And my proof of miracles wasnt just my testimony but actual photos and videos of sighting of mother mary. But if you really wanna see a miracle in the happening just listen to every heartbeat every thought and every picture in your head.

Not miracles...simple biology. And for the thought; electrical currents being passed through neurons in our brains.

Lol simple biology?? Science is complex and beautiful in its complexity. And thats why that "simple biology" is a miracle. Because we arent just bodies, but hearts, souls, and minds too.

Simple biology as in the basics of how life function. I meant it is simple because it is very basic knowledge of how parts of the body works. And no we aren't just bodies, but our "heart, souls and minds" (which I know you mean in a theoretical, mental manner, not physical) are all controlled by synapses in our brains. Those electrical pulses that go through our neurons are what control how we think. Yes, we have influence on how those synapse function to an extent due to environmental influences and the fashion in which one is raised. Every thing can be explained with technical terms and facts, although I am no expert in them. It's not a miracle, it's how the body of animals have changed and adapted over time.

...Im very sorry that you had to go through that, but when did I say that I think the person who raped the kid is as good as me? Like wtf? I never said I was worthy or deserving of anything. Also, we cant blame god for a human's decision. That was my main point. I never said that u should forgive him because I dont have that right. Like I said before, as twisted and messed as this may sound, I believe that god loves everyone, including that pastor and the rapist. I am nothing and I can pnly speak for myself and I never meant that the acts u have seen committed were right...if anything I dont even want to imagine the pain god was in when he saw the pastor and rapist corrupt his daughter and his child. Btw Im not very smarf and I meant AD, like BC was the only past term I could think off but I meant there was proof it came around his death. All I have to say is that 1) God gives everyone suffering. 2) He only gives us what he knows we can handle. 3) He will find a way to make joy out of the pain. 4) For me, its the other way around: I dont deserve his love 5) When he took that cross.... he took ALL of our sin...The sin of the past, The sin of the present, and The sin of the future.....he saw Hitler, he saw Stalin, he saw the rapist, he saw the pastor, HE SAW AND KNEW OF ALL THE SIN. But he loved us and took that cross and died on it anyway. A normal human would have never survived his passion before getting on the cross and the fact Jesus didnt even need to suffer blows my mind 6) I will pray with best of my ability for you, the pastor, the child, the rapist, the girl, and her son, in hope you ALL maybe healed. As I have said before..... i really am sorry. You also misunderstood my previous reply a little...I meant in short God is ALWAYS with us no matter what the situation, and no matter what the sin and we just have to be patient and truly see how he s always been there. God Bless

Like I have been saying, all of those videos and pictures can be made by anyone with access to photo shop or CGI programs. Look at all of these movies out today with aliens and shit running around that look so realistic." in fact no human in the world has the right to look down on anyone else." Quote from a previous comment. If you don't look down on people then you have to consider them equals or greater. I believe I previously explained the whole, without a creator the created wouldn't have done anything in the first place which links humans mistakes to this higher power. lol, Once again AD(after death) would insinuate he was a zombie, but I get what you're saying. 1) Suffering is a gift now? "gee, thanks for taking my arm away god, that thing was a pest!" 2) Tell that to all of the drug addicts who OD'd. 3) Kids who watch their parents be brutally murdered then are forced to go through many houses for foster care probably don't have much joy in their lives. 4) If you don't deserve love from this guy you worship, what's the point. There is no completeness in your beliefs if you don't think you're good enough. 5) Well for one, Jesus was not a normal human at all...he was a part of god(or something like that) who forced himself into the womb of a virgin in order to walk the earth. By that sense, he isn't human at all. Along with that, he was magic, which is frowned upon by the bible. I appreciate that, but it isn't your fault or anyone else but the perpetrator's fault for what has happened. There's nothing you can do about the past.
All in all, I greatly respect you for having this love for your beliefs; that's how everyone should be. Furthermore, I'm glad we could have this conversation without turning into a fight along with the name calling. I'm sorry if I offended you at all during this, friend, for that wasn't my intentions. I appreciate this conversation and wish you the best in your future. Take it easy.

Finally just because I dont deserve his love doenst mean he doesnt love me :)

Btw you misunderstood suffering, its not unreasonable pain, and you dont ask for it but for the strength to fight through it for it. Akes our souls stronger. Drug addicts are alsoa unfortunate example of how much we really need god. For no matter how much we indulge our selves in worldly pleasures to satisfy our desires, we will never quench our thirst. The only way to find peace and love is through jesus and if anything he will overquench your thirst lol :). Like I said before god doesnt give us suffering but the strength to overcome it. Finally, lolwutt?? See your trying to use logic again and of course it messes the bible up for u. Do u really think you can make sense out of how jesus came to be? God made the stars, pluto, and mars. Him managing to make a woman he created pregnant with his son isnt crazy at all compared tobthat lol. And jesus was human through that. Yes he still had all of his godly powers but he also had our desires, temptations, and struggles. Jesus if anything hesitated to do miracles out of his humilty lol. He wasnt magic he is god.Hope I managed to make a least a little sense with this reply lol. Btw Im glad we r having this discussion too and no u have never offended u and I hope I havent offended u either. God bless :)

If suffering is not "unreasonable pain" why do some people die due to suffering. You can ask for all the strength you want, but nothing is going to help you if you've lost 6 or 7 pints of blood...In a non-physical sense of suffering, still there is only so much that can be done. One has to realize that there comes a point where they have to move on. How can god control or affect what is going on in the human conscience and subconscience if both of those are built upon free-will. That is going against the "free" part of free will. I find it kind of funny how people talk about these"worldly pleasures" in a negative manner. They, along with everything, was created by god so why are the bad things? And once again, I have seen family members go to god for help with drug addiction but that had no affect at all. You previously said "God gives us suffering" so that's why I am going off of that, and from what I have heard from others, "he gives us suffering to grow and learn." What's the point of being human and having and understanding logic if you refuse to apply it to anything? Logic doesn't mess the bible up, the bible messes common sense up. And no, I don't think I can make any sense of how jesus or god came to be because there is no hard evidence supporting it. Yeah jesus may have been a guy a long time ago who helped people, but was he "godly" or whatever; most likely not. And yes it is crazy to believe god impregnated a woman without conception (sex). If jesus was human, what explains all of his non-human abilities? I can't cure people and I am sure you can't turn water into wine, and we are both humans. No one else can do what he "did" so therefore, his characteristics are not those of a human. If he hesitated so much, why did he help those in need, why did he make that blind man see? The fact is he "used" those abilities he had so therefore, he couldn't have had that much humility. So when god makes stuff levitate it's "godly powers" but...cont.

if I made stuff levitate that is magic and I am in huge trouble. That just doesn't add up.

Yeah then human accomplishments must also be linked to our creator no? Like I said, God saw all of the possible futures for us when he created us, he saw that the pastor could choose to rape, but also so the good the pastor could do. In fact, for every rape, murder, slander, gossip, bully, suicide he saw sacrifice, love, forgiveness, joy, genorosity, creation, and patience. Think of it like this, when he created Mother Teresa, he saw the sin she could, but also saw the good. this is the gamble he has made out of love and faith in us when he created us. He saw the struggles, pains, and suffering in our way in this life and had the faith in us that we can overcome it and be filled with even more love. As christian, I believe that our good is so much stronger than our sin, as weird as that may sound. Look about the proof of miracles, something tells me that the people who all happen to see Mother Mary in France arent in a conspiracy. The fact about the catholic church is that it started with only 12 people....13 people who were mocked, ridiculed, persecueted, and scoffed at for their faith. But then the miracles happened, the martyrs happened, the holy spirit happened and is still happening, the conversions happened, the charites happened, the saints happened, the love happened. Before you know it, the most persecuted faith becomes the national faith of Rome and the first book to ever be published is the bible. If your still in doubt about miracles look at the recent saints. Saint Alphonsa and Saint Padre Pio are good examples :). In the end, all I kniw is that Jesus changed my heart and entered it with love. I came from a messed up catholic family too, and I used to hate mother mary and jesus. But that part of my soul is dead for I am in deep love with Jesus and my mother mary and Im not unashamed. Also sorry if I sound a little dumb when I talk about science lol Im only 16.

Good argument, but there is no proof there is a creator. That's like going into school and having your teacher ask you what 2+2 is and you saying 17. She asks how and you say "it just is," she wouldn't give you a very good grade because there is no proof 2+2=17. He may have seen both sides, but he chose to allow both to happen instead of preventing it. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think the bible supported gambling...but when god does it it's ok. He "makes" the rules but doesn't seem to follow them. Well yes, with christianity if you do something bad all you have to do is repent and you're forgiven so in a sense no body should go to hell if that's all it takes. It just seems like a way to scare people instead of saying "don't do something or you will be damned, no exceptions." That way would make the world a lot better IMO. Well no all of those people may have saw mary, but that doesn't change the fact that ONE man created the image to show other people. As you say, people are full of sin and lying is one of those sins. And yeah I understand how the catholic church happened, but it seems like forced coincidence. People of the time needed something to follow and something seemed like it happened after someone asked for it and it gave people a "reason" to follow it. On top of that the whole praying thing doesn't make sense to me: if it happens, it was god, if it doesn't, god works in mysterious ways. So in that sense, something "proving god" HAS to happen if you say both outcomes are because of god. Would you mind explaining what happened to both of those saints. And like I said, I support your opinions, friend. You follow what you want to follow and be your own person in order to make yourself happy. And don't worry about it lol