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|#52 - As it is now men have no say in the pregnacy which is just as … [+] (28 new replies)||06/30/2013 on Babies||+11|
#226 - 2scared2login (06/30/2013) [-]
Except for the whole decision to perfome a reproductive act with her in the first place. Srsly dude, sex is awesometimes but biologically speaking it's meant to have that outcome. Not their fault if we hit the target, both parties are responsible.
Maybe get to know her and how she would react before risking it, yes?
#169 - 2scared2login (06/30/2013) [-]
Also, a lot of women say "nah I won't keep it" but then they get emotionally attached and cry their eyes out "BUT ITS MY BABY" and completely ruin another person's life (and yes, it is actually ruining someone's life for the next 18 years if they didn't want the kid in the first place)
#130 - 2scared2login (06/30/2013) [-]
If you are stupid enough to NOT use protection like a condom, then you deserve both STDs and a pregnant girl.
#230 - flemsdfer (06/30/2013) [-]
Well if you are the one complaining about it then yes. If a woman gets pregnant by mistake and isn't happy with it. Bitch you should have used protection. Male gets someone pregnant and didn't mean to and doesn't want it.........bitch you should have used protection.
Too drunk to think straight is no shield in any way.
#255 - srapture (06/30/2013) [-]
My point is that the male and female partners don't have the same say in it all. Before and during the conception, they both neglected to use contraception so they are both at fault. However, after that, it's entirely the woman's decision. If she wants to keep or abort the baby, fuck what the guy thinks. I believe that to make a fair situation of this, men should have the option to relinquish claim to the child, not needing to pay child support. If the man doesn't want the child, and there is still a way of terminating it that the woman is choosing not to do, the burden should all be on her. The woman should not be permitted to force it onto him as well.
#258 - flemsdfer (06/30/2013) [-]
The woman gets that choice because flat out you can't cut something out of another person against their will. I think it's plenty fair to everyone to just not get into the mess to begin with for your own sake. Wear a condom not because "it's just as much her responsibility" but rather for "I don't want kids". If she doesn't get an abortion for whatever reason she still has the burden of taking care of a child now. As the other party, you helped make said child and whether you want it or not. If it was suddenly so easy as to just drop all financial burden could you imagine the consequences? No man would use a condom ever because most side with it feels better and they'll never get any kids to burden them out of it since they can just bow out. STD's would spread more from this too. It just seems like chaos. Why can't we just all wear our own protection and maybe take our time to find out if some girl is a psycho bitch or not?
#72 - flemsdfer (06/30/2013) [-]
You get the option to wear a damn condom before hand if you do not want kids, yes it's not 100% effective but that's your own goddamn gamble. You have the ability to get a vasectomy as well. Something common, quick, and pretty damn safe in today's modern medicine.
What you don't get, is the option to cut something out of another person's body. It is not your baby until it pops out. Until then it is her own bodily growth that is physically attached to her. You'd flip shit if women forced you to have your testicles removed so this argument is absolute bullshit.
#221 - gardenmanly (06/30/2013) [-]
while I respect this opinion, I do wonder about what if the condom breaks or fails. I realize that 99 out of 100 times, they are perfectly effective, but say the male wears a condom, the female is not on the pill, and by some random happenstance the encounter results in a pregnancy. Say that the female chooses to keep the baby even though the male would rather her use plan B or get an abortion, and just for argument sake lets say he even offered to pay for the abortion/pill, but the female refused. Should the baby still be the male's financial burden? He did everything to protect himself, wore a condom and even offered to pay for the abortion/pill. For that type of circumstance, I feel the situation should be evaluated and a judge deem whether or not the male should have to pay child support. If he was being as careful as possible, there should be no reason for him to have to support a child he did not want or intend to have.
If he wasn't being careful (i.e. no condom) then he should absolutely have to pay child support.
#126 - 2scared2login (06/30/2013) [-]
there are lots of cases where women lie about being on the pill and then forcing the man to pay child support for 18 years does that sound fair to you?
#137 - flemsdfer (06/30/2013) [-]
Wear. A. Condom.
That's your option. Protect yourself if you just want casual sex. So is a vasectomy like I said. You just want to ignore your options and put the entire thing on her, then whine and say you have no options and try and get your strings into her to control her how you want which just isn't gonna happen.
If a little piece of rubber on your dick is too far out a concept for you then either A) quit having sex (I really recommend this one for you) or B) be prepared to support your children.
#155 - 2scared2login (06/30/2013) [-]
You must be really fucking retarded.
#229 - rockerforlife (06/30/2013) [-]
You forgot the part where:
>Not all women like condoms
-some find it irritating
-some get rashes from condoms
-some get hurt by the plastic
-some merely like sex with no condom
-a condom is unavailable but nearby and as the man is ready to begin his journey to buy one, the woman will refuse because she is in heat
>It's not a matter of "INTELLIGENCE" as to whether a man knows how to put on a condom
>Women will "trick" men into condomless sex in order to become impregnated and put the man in a financial trap
>Most men would have no problem with the consequences of condomless sex if they were fair, that is, if a woman wants to keep the child, she should keep it at her own expense and not that of the man.
#234 - flemsdfer (06/30/2013) [-]
Because you have to fuck her, right? She doesn't want a condom and you can't just say "Then no. I don't want to run the risk of unwanted children." You just HAVE to fuck her without one. No one wants to take their own responsibility these days. You aren't raped in this situation. You have a choice. That choice is to gamble for pleasure so don't get upset when you lose.
#250 - rockerforlife (06/30/2013) [-]
Using your logic one can as fairly say:
Because you HAVE to sue me for all my money for 18 years right? Because I HAVE to pay child support right? Because you HAVE to be a bitch and fuck up my life for 18 years for something we were both equally involved in?
There's a difference between responsibility and unfairity. Both parties are playing a fair game and both should be held equally responsible. One one-night-stand (which mind you, the typical person in heat is never thinking straight. Much like the "Crime of Passion" plea), should not mean that the man has to suffer 18 years of continious legal payments, while the woman, presumably worry free is allowed to raise the child, marry another man and carry a job without giving the man any money, and taking the mans' money. It's not fair, it's unjust, and it's just fucked up
#253 - flemsdfer (06/30/2013) [-]
Rather than take your own responsibility and action in hands you just want to pull the other party into it. "Oh I wasn't thinking straight" bullshit. You don't think and you get fucked over. Why not take all this energy and effort put into blaming the girl you fucked with no condom wanting your help in raising this expensive child (whether she be a bitch or not) and put it into practising safe sex? How about you wear some damn protection and if the other party can't for some reason MOVE ALONG. You don't have to fuck certain girls and your argument to it is comparing apples to cars. She doesn't HAVE to make you pay child support? Raising a child on your own is fucking difficult and you were fine taking the risk in making it. Why don't we just crash cars and not pay for injuries and damages because we just don't want to. It'd be too hard on our lives. You take part in what ended up as a costly mistake and you pay for it. Simple as that. As for the not having to fuck certain girls. That's not difficult or expensive. It's actually as easy as controlling your damn urges and if you can't sucks to be you. You can't expect people's rights to change every time you have a whine like "I had unprotected sex and ended up with a child I don't want" BECAUSE WHO SAW THAT COMING? NOT YOU, RIGHT? The deadbeat dad trying to run is the innocent victim in that scenario.
#263 - rockerforlife (07/01/2013) [-]
You are Femenazi to the max, unbelievable. I would be surprised if you weren't a lesbian, asexual, or a catholic nun. I can't believe you're holding the woman COMPLETELY unresponsible for the whole ordeal.
-If. you. want. to. keep. the. child. then. you. have. to. accept. responsibility.
-You can have the child, painstakingly or not have it, which is much less painful.
-You have no right, to strip a man of his future for a (potential) mistake he may have made in his arrogant youth.
-It is not men who need to control their damn urges, newsflash, women have them to.
-And the "deadbeat dad" is now spending 18 years of his life paying 10% of his paycheck to a woman who took him to court for consuming his sperm years ago, during a measly lustful night.
Lady, you must be some sort of succubus to seriously be saying these things and if you ignore everything I said and continue to talk out of your ass then I refuse to reply, or continue the argument any further; I implore** for your own well being** that you receive from counseling from a humanistic psychiatrist, please, I'm actually worried you mean the things you say.
#264 - flemsdfer (07/01/2013) [-]
I'm male for starters. All I'm saying is it's not the both of you. It's just you. This is your scenario you wish to not have so don't get into it. Same applies for ladies. You can't control other people though as sadly as that is so what can you do? Make your own damn choices. Sure women make bad choices too. I'm not defending them. I'm just saying if your dumb ass has a kid. SORRY! YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT NOW! THAT'S HOW PARENTING WORKS. So instead of sitting back with this "she should have this and she should have that." look after yourself. Don't fuck up and want out because you can't handle the consequences of your actions which in this situation is a child. The same shit would go towards a woman. If you don't want a child. Take the fucking precautions or don't have sex. those are both very possible.
#266 - flemsdfer (07/01/2013) [-]
Then be in the childs life and parent it rather than pay child support from a distance. It really is as simple as "if you don't want a child. Don't make one" that is all. If YOU do not want a child. Then YOU make sure that YOU don't get one beforehand. That goes for everyone. That is the only thing to say on this matter. No one else to take care of the matter. It's no one elses problem or responsibility than your own. Not the man's. Not the woman's. Your. Personal. Own.
#125 - 2scared2login (06/30/2013) [-]
your argument is bullshit to
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