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|#134 - It will never end [+] (56 new replies)||10/10/2012 on Pink title||+12|
#194 - sonicg (10/10/2012) [-]
#203 - klondikemonster (10/10/2012) [-]
#220 - sonicg (10/10/2012) [-]
#231 - snowshark (10/10/2012) [-]
Dude, it's alright. Let him have his opinion. For the most part he is right.
MLP is simply not on-par with the original Star-Wars trilogy however that is simply because in no way does it attempt to be. They are radically different in every conceivable respect.
Whilst your point is compelling and based upon factual analysis, it is still rather unfair to attempt to compare the Star Wars trilogy (An epic escapist-science-fantasy adventure with a theme of medieval-inspired technology) with MLP (A comedic fantasy animation based around friendship)
Perhaps it is better to accept that neither side of the argument is going to budge and instead attempt to find common ground on which you both agree?
Like... do you like Star Wars?
#246 - sonicg (10/10/2012) [-]
Yes, I know comparing the two is like that of Apples and Oranges, I just figured I could help him understand or side more by using something with a particularly large fanbase. One that is still in existence today due to their love of the series despite it being 'complete' in a sense. I do like Star Wars, but I'm not an avid fan, if it's on T.V. I might watch it, nor do I do that with the ponies, I simply wait until it's convenient for me and I indulge my interests (cause their ain't no way in hell I'm gonna wake up at 7 a.m. on a Saturday to watch a cartoon I'll jut wait till it's up on YouTube).
#256 - snowshark (10/10/2012) [-]
Ha! Apples and Oranges. I see what you did there.
Either way, it's hard to change someone's opinion if you're in an argument with them or even in a discussion. Psychologically they are essentially on the defensive. It calls for a somewhat softer hand if you intend to sway someone. I won't attempt to stop you arguing, but I do suggest you go over your words at least and notice how they could be viewed as aggressive. Do mind that the same could be said of Klondike's posts.
I'm no saint. I make mistakes and you're within your rights to thumb me down if you feel I'm being patronising, I'm just trying to help clear up the brony vs non-brony arguments as peacefully as I can if I can see they're not going to lead to anywhere productive.
#225 - klondikemonster (10/10/2012) [-]
I'm going to break down your argument on the audio. Have you ever studied digital audio before? It's pretty easy to understand and you can make music more easily than a studio orchestra can. I mean, look at Hans Zimmer and the Batman films, most of that was actually composed on a keyboard and programs with instrument emulators. However, to say that it's difficult to create a foreshadowing would be completely ignorant.
#234 - sonicg (10/10/2012) [-]
I have not studied digital audio before as it does not lie within the parameters of my abilities. I have attempted to create music digitally, and suffice it to say I failed, however when I pick up a guitar it's relatively easy to come up with something. Sure it may have been composed digitally, but it was recorded by an orchestra. Creating foreshadowing through the progression of notes that may sound lively to one and create a spark of recognition for another, to me, sounds pretty damn complicated. But what do I know? I'm a redneck that loves motorcycles and beer.
#172 - cpthitsugaya (10/10/2012) [-]
Sure people will, but the true fans, who appreciate the show for character developement, sequences, villains, and settings won't just forget about it. Yes, there are many, many people who only like my little pony because it's a bit of a bandwagon, but when those years go by, the real fans will never forget about it.
#175 - cpthitsugaya (10/10/2012) [-]
It's a show intended for all ages. There is no segregation of gender, or age ever admitted anywhere in it. So think for a second, and figure this one out. Television is for entertainment, and for people to find things they like. My Little Pony is a television show. Put two and two together, and figure this one out for yourself
#177 - SemiAnon (10/10/2012) [-]
Don't deny it. You know it to be true.
#226 - dtox (10/10/2012) [-]
I want to point something out about that.
That's coming from hasbro, whose primary intention with MLP was to market toys to, specifically, little girls.
That doesn't mean that the show itself wasn't created with the intention of being a little less....stereotypical.
I mean, just compare generation 3.5 (which I'm sure you've seen) with the current, it's an immense change in quality in all aspects. That's the creator's doing, not the company's, and the creator has already told us what her intention with the show was to be (don't get me wrong, her primary concern WAS little girls, just that doesn't mean she couldn't have had other things in mind for viewers).
#275 - SemiAnon (10/10/2012) [-]
Getting real fucking tired of this "It's for all ages!, she made it for kids AND THEIR PARENTS!". It's a show for little girls. Fucking accept it, and stop trying to say that it isn't.
#299 - SemiAnon (10/11/2012) [-]
Yes, I agree with it. Not in a perfect world, but in the one we live in. People are going to tell fans of anything that it's wrong for them to like it. Being fans of cartoon ponies isn't a shield that prevents them from the same shit everyone else gets.
I expect them to get over it. Everyone *knows that it's intended for little girls. Denying that fact only shows that the fan who is denying it believes that it's wrong of him to enjoy something that's outside societies 'barriers'. That's the fan's insecurities.
*we all know, but a large portion denies it
#300 - dtox (10/11/2012) [-]
When I said "agree with," I meant do you think fans are wrong to watch it.
And if someone told you you were wrong to like something as trivial as a cartoon, wouldn't YOU want to shut them up, and to stop pestering you already?
And no shit it isn't a shield, it's more like a lamp that attracts a bunch of annoying moths.
#301 - SemiAnon (10/11/2012) [-]
The shield point is that no one else is constantly whining about people telling them what they enjoy is wrong. Not where I can see them, anyways.
The Notebook is one of my favorite movies. Whenever the topic of favorite movies comes up, that's one of the first I talk about. I get some shit for it, but I still like the movie, and can accept that I am not the primary intention for the audience. I don't have this "NO NO NO It's actually intended for 20 year old men to love!" mentality. I don't get continuously harassed about it because I don't care that I'm not "supposed" to love that movie. They don't pester me about it because it doesn't get a rise out of me, and I don't go off talking about how the author originally intended for his story to be for girls "and their boyfriends".
No, I don't think it's wrong for anyone to watch it. Weird, sure. The weirdest thing they could be watching, no. It's not just ponies. It's weird that people my age are watching Adventure Time, or any other cartoon for that matter, religiously. But if they enjoy it, whatever. I'll make fun of them occasionally, but I'd make fun of them for something else if the cartoon wasn't there. There's nothing wrong with watching anything, except for the obvious, illegal things.
What I do think is wrong, is denying that it is what it is. It shouldn't matter to someone if they enjoy it.
#302 - dtox (10/11/2012) [-]
I've never heard of the notebook, so I wouldn't know what it's about or why anyone would make fun of you for enjoying that. But I'm sure you'd be thinking differently if there was a large, RAVENOUS fandom based on "The Notebook."
Give me an example of a fandom that you're a part of (if any), one where fans are pestered because of their interest. I know that all fans have their criticizers (I mean, fuck, look at furries, who I feel terribly sorry for), but there are few that step into a level of controversy like MLP.
Aside from that, I'm not saying that it isn't absolutely stupid for someone to claim "my little pony" was meant for them, but it isn't bad to say stuff like "it's got stuff even we can enjoy," such as the point that lauren faust intended for the parents to also be entertained by the show. Shows like adventure time don't need much (if any) justification because they have the stuff that adult males are known to like.
I WAS going to write a wall of text about a bunch of other bullshit, but we've already discussed all of it before.
I'm sick of the fans who denying it's a show for little girls as well, but I can't blame them when they get such absurd backlash. Doesn't mean I don't correct them.
#206 - snowshark (10/10/2012) [-]
I argue that this is not fully a matter of Television. Because of the nature of the animation it is very easy for fans of the show to create content of a similar level of animation, meaning that although the likelihood is that MLP is on borrowed time in it's current format (I explained to elbrysobrony below if you're interested) the fan-base is in the fairly unique position where they have the ability to create content to the same standard of the show itself.
Therefore it will be entering very unusual territory, where the show itself may actually be perpetuated by the fan-base itself rather than by the animators. A haunting prospect to many, I am sure, however you have to admit... it is a pretty interesting/worrying notion.
#173 - elbrysobrony (10/10/2012) [-]
The part about the stories and characters are kinda up to each person's personal opinion. Not everyone thinks they're amazing. Sorta like MLP. Some, like thou, don't think it's that great. Others, like us, think it's one of the greatest things ever.
Oh, and about the viewer count? Let's face it, Klondike. Bronies are amongst one of the fastest growing fandoms ever. We're pretty much up there with Star Trek and Star Wars. And hell to the yes, it's been raking in viewers in droves.
#199 - snowshark (10/10/2012) [-]
brony here. *waves*
The reason that Dr Who has stayed so fresh is that it has a revolving door cast. That means that the cast is completely interchangeable and in Dr Who's case it changes fairly often, once every few years. Because of this the show has managed to bring fresh characters into numerous situations.
MLP on the other hand has... issues. The show is massively focussed around the Mane 6 and their learning and development. This essentially means that with every episode that comes out the number of available plots to put the characters in goes down because they're learning the lesson of said plot. It essentially means that a time will come where these characters have learned so much about friendship that there's next to nothing really left to learn.
When that is the case the show can go one of three ways:
1: Keep the Mane 6 and change the focus of the show away from learning about friendship into something else.
2: Switch to a new series with a new core cast but inevitably end up re-treading the same lessons of the first cast, albeit in different situations.
3: Close in style, rather than beating the dead donkey like the Simpsons is doing.
Essentially, MLP as we know it is on a limited time-frame. It simply can-not last. However, does that mean that bronydom or the MLP craze will ever die down? Actually... yes and no. Whilst the craze will die down, the fan-base is of such size and scale that bronies will never really disappear. Due to the format of the show (Flash) we can already see that there are numerous animators who are creating fan-made media in the same style as the show. Even to the point of a full fan-made episode coming soon.
So. Will it die down? Sure. Will it disappear, likely no.
Dr. Who Fact: There are nearly 800 episodes giving it the most episodes of any Sci-Fi series and it is fast approaching it's 50th anniversary, making it the eldest too.
#215 - snowshark (10/10/2012) [-]
To expect the same standards as one's self from others, especially those whom you have never met, is unfair. It is as much the fault of Klondike for not explaining as yourself for not understanding what it is he was trying to say.
So, in short, not knowing something does not make you a dumbass. You're a dumbass when you do something that is, for lack of a better phrase, STARK RAVIN' TOTALLY BLINKIN' DAFT!!!! I.e: Drinking bleach, misunderstanding basic, common knowledge or being narrow-minded to the point where it is offensive to others.
Now, in the spirit of forgiveness, have a pony pic.
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