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#94 - xxxsonic fanxxx (09/15/2014) [-]
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|#85 - Frankly, I think it's horrible to demand that "more games… [+] (38 new replies)||09/10/2014 on Strong Female Characters||+9|
#115 - malinko (09/10/2014) [-]
no, not really. if I painted pictures of dicks, and put them up for sale, are you forxed to buy that big veiny oil painting of a dick? no. you dont have to. if you dont like it, and i dont want to change it, then there really isnt anything you can do except go find a different picture to buy.
#137 - wertologist (09/10/2014) [-]
People can demand all they want. If it's legal for them to sell a hamburger with razor blades, they have all the right to do it. It's up to people whether they buy it or not. It's still their right to make said hamburger. To demand them to make other kinds or stop putting razors in it would be demanding them to stop having rights. If they want to produce burgers with cheese instead of razors, it is 100% up to them.
#151 - megamono (09/10/2014) [-]
No, demanding that a company make a change is not taking away their right. It just informs them that there is one person that is unhappy with their product. When enough people complain then it can become a large group that no longer will buy their product. Now the bussines has the right to say fuck y'all or to say well enough people are pissed let's change what we do. I think since company wanna make money they usually pick a moderate middle ground.
#158 - wertologist (09/10/2014) [-]
They can request a change. That is fine. To demand it is not. Demanding a change is implying that "you have change it" which would go against their rights if they followed the demand rather than of free will. To request they change it and they then change it is okay. That is their right to request and the right of the company to comply or ignore. Demanding someone who has the right to do something to not do it is wrong. If they want to change, it's of free will. Demands have no say in the matter. Requests and suggestions are in the rights of the consumers.
tl;dr: to demand is telling someone they have to do something you want against their choice.
#200 - wertologist (09/10/2014) [-]
Doesn't matter how passionate you are about something. To demand that someone changes how they choose to operate is wrong. I hate EA with a passion for its greedy and cheap ways, but I have no right to demand they change. I can suggest for them to change, but if I were to demand it would be wrong.
#206 - megamono (09/10/2014) [-]
So black people demanding to vote wrong?
Women demanding to vote wrong?
Reagan demanding the tearing down of the Berlin wall?
Some demanding can be wrong such as Hitler demanding to kill all Jews, but in a grey area as we are discussing with video game and mostly personal opinion, demanding something isn't so wrong.
#210 - wertologist (09/10/2014) [-]
Demanding for blacks and women for the right to vote were for equal rights. Don't try to justify people demanding for there to be stronger woman roles in video games as a noble act for equality. I agree demanding isn't always wrong, but demanding someone to do something against their will and rights is. When something being done is truly wrong, then you have the right to protest and demand. To demand someone to change what they are selling IS wrong. It doesn't matter if they are selling a game where you play as Hitler and get to choose how he did things and get to gas Jews. You have no right to demand them to not make it. It's their right to make and sell that game.
#227 - wertologist (09/10/2014) [-]
The changes took place because of bad publicity. It was McDonalds choice for them to have healthier food. No one said it was healthy to begin with and you were not forced to eat there. It was their right to stay the same or change. Wanting greener products is not wrong. If the product is having extreme negative impacts to everyone then you have the right to demand. I never said demanding never happens. I said it was wrong to demand for people to go against their rights. Demanding is okay when it is a serious matter and if it affects the well being of others and the planet. Demanding a company to make stronger female roles is not a life threatening issue and therefore wrong. I don't like your name, I think it should have more letters. Does this give me the right to demand you to change?
Assuming you live in the US, you have the right to do what you want (assuming it's within the law). If you were a child selling raisin cookies I have no right to demand for you to sell chocolate chip cookies. You can demand things all you want, but it doesn't make it right and you cannot force them to change. I demand that I should get $100 free everyday from Burger King. Does this mean they have to oblige? No. They have the right to do it if they so choose.
#233 - megamono (09/10/2014) [-]
Ok let's exam McDonald's some more. General population was trendy ng towards eating healthier food. Since McDonald is the biggest chain out there people at first suggested. When no action was taken people demanded or else they take their business some where else. McDonald's caved and it has a healthier options. That is how things escalates to being demanded. First its hey I like your product but could you change x about it. After several years of asking and no action being done then the consumer has the right to demand a change be done or else they take their business else where. I am not saying to force a company to do something and then take legal action against them, but as a consumer demanding a change or else I take my money else where is one of the very few things a consumer can do against a company.
#237 - wertologist (09/10/2014) [-]
Demanding for them to change is wrong. If you don't like the food there, don't eat it. You have no right to make them change what they can and can't sell. They changed up the menu with their own free will. If you owned the franchise then you had the right to demand. I have no right to demand you stop commenting. They chose to change the menu. People demanding it to be changed had no say in the matter. They wanted to make more sales. If people demanded they change and that change had no profit they would not change. You can tell them all you want on what they have, but it doesn't mean they have to do it because you said so.
If 9 out of 10 people don't like what that 1 person is drawing a circle while they are drawing squares, they have no right to make that person draw a square.
"an insistent and peremptory request, made as if by right."
That's what a demand is. To demand someone to change to fit your needs would actually be an act of oppression. This makes the Feminazi demand to make more stronger female roles and remove seductive/less helpful female characters that promote "oppression" rather ironic.
#245 - megamono (09/10/2014) [-]
Other definitions for demand: a strong need for something; the ability and need or desire to buy good and services. With the oppression statement that is what you are assuming for that context. If we can be the words of you last paragraph a bit " this makes femanazis strong need to have more stronger female roles and remove seductive/ less helpful female characters support oppression" in that context what you assumed previously is now totally different. Women are having a strong need in the current market to have stronger female roles and ect. Thus what it is a market demand. Preventing people ability's to say " I really want this" is oppressive.
#258 - wertologist (09/10/2014) [-]
I in no way said no one was allowed to say "I want this". I said it wasn't their right to demand people to do what they wanted. It is not a strong need for there to be more stronger female game characters. It's a desire. No matter how strong it is, it cannot overrule someone's right to make games as they see fit. If a developer wants to add a stronger female role, then it's their right to do so. It's not the right of people demanding it. If anybody could demand a change that has to happen in a company there would be almost no need for stockholders to discuss plans. I have no right to tell a guy who runs a mini mart he has to sell more Hostess and less Little Debbie just because I think Hostess is better. It's his business. He can do whatever he wants with it. If Hostess products sold better than his Little Debbie products, he would likely change on his own free will. Demanding someone to change how they operate is going against their free will and rights if they give into your demands. Demanding is in your rights as well. It falls under freedom of speech, but demanding does not give you power over others.
#124 - malinko (09/10/2014) [-]
first, thats the shittiest analogy ever.
secondly, if you have that many fans and you listen to them all then you are going to make a shitty game. i understand you have to listen to your market, but the opinion of the individual is completely meaningless. The people wanting the games to be changed because they "hate women" make up a very small group and listening to the group would cause them to pretty much go out of business.
i agree you have to listen to your customers. but not every tom dick and harry with a stupid biased opinion.
#134 - megamono (09/10/2014) [-]
Well I thought that it was funny as hell :/ we're all titled to our own opinions.
Well how about this analogy, green energy. Most Americans literally don't give a damn about it but going green has worked its way into everything. So even though a majority don't care about it a minority was able to cause change. That happened because there was enough people that cared about it and demanded something be done.
#153 - malinko (09/10/2014) [-]
!: yea i know. just being an asshole.
2: thats not an analogy and makes me question wether you know what that word means
3: key words, "enough people" there isn't enough people wanting most games to be changed to some strict, yet ever changing, feminist guidelines.
4: "going green" was a failure. it was mostly a stunt for pretentious hipsters to buy over priced organic foods and hemp hand bags.
#177 - megamono (09/10/2014) [-]
In response to 2: analogy, comparison or likeness between two things. Do you know what the word mean?
3: did you pole every single gamer? I left my answer open, you're dealing with specifics. A group minority can still cause change.
4: tell that to the farmers, gas companies, electric companies, and the dozen of government agencies that regulate them.
#100 - megamono (09/10/2014) [-]
So if some one is passionate for something they shouldn't demand it? Like how environmentalists demand green energy or how Republicans demand lower taxes for everyone? I think demanding is a way of stating how passionate you are for something so people know how serious you are.
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