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#5 - Is that guy drinking water out of a coffee mug?  [+] (1 new reply) 02/12/2014 on Fukkin jedi. +2
#7 - anonymous (02/12/2014) [-]
it's vodka
#76 - From what I gathered on my first quick read through John Raven…  [+] (1 new reply) 02/08/2014 on Wow, the opening ceremony... 0
User avatar #150 - serotonin (02/08/2014) [-]
well actually he does say that it will bring us extinction. I had opportunity to meet him in person in Hungary and atend his lecture. After lecture I had wonderfull oportunity to have one on one discusion with him (I presented theory that other sistem are posible and that they did happen but societies are governed by same evolutionary laws as biological creatures and that modern capitalism outcompeted all others and made them ``extinct`)`. You are compleatly righ about him not supporting Nazism or communism (stalinism at least). But I dont think of them as better sistems (It seams that a lot of people got that idea). I just said if capitalism brings us ruin that in that case sistems that fought against it (unintentionaly) tried to save the world from destruction.

I never said that communism or Nazism are more efficient.

Now why i think that capitalism might get us all killed. I said in previous comments and will expand on it: Capitalism serves only capital, money is everything. In sistems like communism (in theory) companies are means for workers to get their livelihood. In capitalism people are means for creating the proffit. People became means, and profit became goal. Also with weak democratic govermants things get uglier. Govermants serve only them selfs. They are rearly willing to make big but unpopular descisions. Their interest is to stay in power and win next elections and will act on it. Such govermants are unable to control big companies are more and more fate of the world is moving in to hands of private sector. I reallyyyy dont like idea of companies obsesed with shortterm profits desciding longterm fate of our race.
#39 - I don't see how you arrived at the conclusion of extinction be…  [+] (3 new replies) 02/08/2014 on Wow, the opening ceremony... +2
User avatar #44 - serotonin (02/08/2014) [-]
I am too tired to elaborate on this. I will try to remenber it at write something tommorow.
Dr. Jhon Raven had some similar theories
www.johnraven.co.uk/index.html
www.eyeonsociety.co.uk/index.html
you can check it out in the meantime
User avatar #76 - blenz (02/08/2014) [-]
From what I gathered on my first quick read through John Raven's home page, I think he gives some excellent insight on how society interacts with itself and its environment. He makes very valid points about the inefficiencies of our current socio-economic system, the fact that it creates work for the purpose of work, that it produces unnecessary waste, that it has issues of sustainability, etc. He points these out and is challenging society to understand these issues and to try to remedy them.

However, nothing that I read there (though it was a fast read and certainly not exhaustive of everything he has written) suggests that John Raven believes communism or Nazism would have provided a better system for achieving a more symbiotic society. In fact, I would wager that if you asked him he would say these systems, as they have been practiced historically, are in fact much, much worse in that regard.

John Raven asserts that society benefits from being less hierarchical, from being less power-centralized. Nazism is as hierarchical and power-centralized a society as any in history. Communism in theory is just the opposite, but in practice has proven to be power-centered and highly corruptible.

I do not think John Raven is saying that capitalism is the bane of society and he certainly is not saying it will bring us to extinction. Rather, he is saying that our current implementation of capitalism has a lot of room for improvement, and I agree. A capitalist society can have a balanced hierarchy and balanced distribution of power among the people, the government, and businesses. He is challenging society to find this balance and make our system work better for everyone's benefit.
User avatar #150 - serotonin (02/08/2014) [-]
well actually he does say that it will bring us extinction. I had opportunity to meet him in person in Hungary and atend his lecture. After lecture I had wonderfull oportunity to have one on one discusion with him (I presented theory that other sistem are posible and that they did happen but societies are governed by same evolutionary laws as biological creatures and that modern capitalism outcompeted all others and made them ``extinct`)`. You are compleatly righ about him not supporting Nazism or communism (stalinism at least). But I dont think of them as better sistems (It seams that a lot of people got that idea). I just said if capitalism brings us ruin that in that case sistems that fought against it (unintentionaly) tried to save the world from destruction.

I never said that communism or Nazism are more efficient.

Now why i think that capitalism might get us all killed. I said in previous comments and will expand on it: Capitalism serves only capital, money is everything. In sistems like communism (in theory) companies are means for workers to get their livelihood. In capitalism people are means for creating the proffit. People became means, and profit became goal. Also with weak democratic govermants things get uglier. Govermants serve only them selfs. They are rearly willing to make big but unpopular descisions. Their interest is to stay in power and win next elections and will act on it. Such govermants are unable to control big companies are more and more fate of the world is moving in to hands of private sector. I reallyyyy dont like idea of companies obsesed with shortterm profits desciding longterm fate of our race.
#33 - Destroying something bad and replacing with something even wor…  [+] (11 new replies) 02/08/2014 on Wow, the opening ceremony... +58
User avatar #34 - serotonin (02/08/2014) [-]
so....extinction is prefered to word under communists or nazis? (I dont argue against the fact that some 4th option would be much better)
User avatar #41 - thefates (02/08/2014) [-]
Our system is a leaking boat. Their system wasn't leaking it was just full of rabid wolves with time bombs strapped to their chest whilst the entire boat was falling into a volcano. Really though, it was an impossible system because they still had to use money. They could not find a way to get rid of currency so true communism was never achieved. This is why true communism does not exist and all communist countries are currently in the process of reverting back to capitalism. China for example is basically only communist in name and North Korea has only maintained their communism by preventing outside contact for their people and brainwashing them into thinking they were doing the best out there. Communism is an unattainable dream. Our only hope is to better improve capitalism in order to better eliminate the lower class and at least institute a general middle class.
User avatar #43 - serotonin (02/08/2014) [-]
Soviet union was cought in stupid arms race that depleted its economy. They were doing rather good before that. They transformed Russia from agral land to industrial super power in just a decade. In competiotion with capitalism communism will fail every time. But if the world revolution succeded maaaaaybe things would work out.
User avatar #45 - Greevon (02/08/2014) [-]
Rapid industrialization the way it occurred in Russia was devastating to it in both the short and long term.
Their entire economy was focused on Capital goods, there was nothing for people to buy, no luxuries, no nice new clothes, most of the time you'd be a lucky fucker if you got to buy a piece of actual produce in a store. Now that the rapid expansion is over, the landscape is dotted with empty factories and buildings bursting with old outdated machinery that was never used.
Now, I'm not saying it wasn't impressive, but uncontrolled growth is worse than mild recession and arguably it's worse than depression as it inevitably leads to it.
User avatar #144 - serotonin (02/08/2014) [-]
They made feudal state in to `` modern state``. It certanly had it downs. Same happened in China and you got whole that starvation thing that happened (which probably really sucked for them).
#123 - anonymous (02/08/2014) [-]
Plus, you know, the tens of millions of deaths sucked too.
User avatar #46 - thefates (02/08/2014) [-]
I can't agree more, the problem with communism is that they use money faster than they can bring in more. That's why modern communist countries are reverting back to capitalism. In the words of a song or person I can't remember: "Money makes the world go 'round." Russia tried to look as powerful as possible for as long as possible but they just didn't have the money to keep it up. The flaw in communism is, once again, the fact that no one can abolish a general need for currency in today's global economy.
User avatar #39 - blenz (02/08/2014) [-]
I don't see how you arrived at the conclusion of extinction being preferable to a world under communist or Nazi rule.

If you mean to say that capitalism will cause our extinction, I think that is a very unfounded assumption, and I'm actually quite curious as to what leads you to believe it will.

Or you are saying (based on the statement I made) that extinction is preferable to communist or Nazi rule because it would be better to not exist rather than to live that way? That distinction is difficult and probably varies person to person.

I think it is pretty indisputable, however, that capitalism as it exists today is preferable to communism as it has been practiced (not in Utopian theory) and especially so in comparison to Nazism.
User avatar #44 - serotonin (02/08/2014) [-]
I am too tired to elaborate on this. I will try to remenber it at write something tommorow.
Dr. Jhon Raven had some similar theories
www.johnraven.co.uk/index.html
www.eyeonsociety.co.uk/index.html
you can check it out in the meantime
User avatar #76 - blenz (02/08/2014) [-]
From what I gathered on my first quick read through John Raven's home page, I think he gives some excellent insight on how society interacts with itself and its environment. He makes very valid points about the inefficiencies of our current socio-economic system, the fact that it creates work for the purpose of work, that it produces unnecessary waste, that it has issues of sustainability, etc. He points these out and is challenging society to understand these issues and to try to remedy them.

However, nothing that I read there (though it was a fast read and certainly not exhaustive of everything he has written) suggests that John Raven believes communism or Nazism would have provided a better system for achieving a more symbiotic society. In fact, I would wager that if you asked him he would say these systems, as they have been practiced historically, are in fact much, much worse in that regard.

John Raven asserts that society benefits from being less hierarchical, from being less power-centralized. Nazism is as hierarchical and power-centralized a society as any in history. Communism in theory is just the opposite, but in practice has proven to be power-centered and highly corruptible.

I do not think John Raven is saying that capitalism is the bane of society and he certainly is not saying it will bring us to extinction. Rather, he is saying that our current implementation of capitalism has a lot of room for improvement, and I agree. A capitalist society can have a balanced hierarchy and balanced distribution of power among the people, the government, and businesses. He is challenging society to find this balance and make our system work better for everyone's benefit.
User avatar #150 - serotonin (02/08/2014) [-]
well actually he does say that it will bring us extinction. I had opportunity to meet him in person in Hungary and atend his lecture. After lecture I had wonderfull oportunity to have one on one discusion with him (I presented theory that other sistem are posible and that they did happen but societies are governed by same evolutionary laws as biological creatures and that modern capitalism outcompeted all others and made them ``extinct`)`. You are compleatly righ about him not supporting Nazism or communism (stalinism at least). But I dont think of them as better sistems (It seams that a lot of people got that idea). I just said if capitalism brings us ruin that in that case sistems that fought against it (unintentionaly) tried to save the world from destruction.

I never said that communism or Nazism are more efficient.

Now why i think that capitalism might get us all killed. I said in previous comments and will expand on it: Capitalism serves only capital, money is everything. In sistems like communism (in theory) companies are means for workers to get their livelihood. In capitalism people are means for creating the proffit. People became means, and profit became goal. Also with weak democratic govermants things get uglier. Govermants serve only them selfs. They are rearly willing to make big but unpopular descisions. Their interest is to stay in power and win next elections and will act on it. Such govermants are unable to control big companies are more and more fate of the world is moving in to hands of private sector. I reallyyyy dont like idea of companies obsesed with shortterm profits desciding longterm fate of our race.
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#16 - anonymous (11/18/2013) [-]
its not 5-10 years old. It happened in the 2011 season. That's 2.5 years ago.

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