"Actually, it's Sa-tan."

Thanks, Satan.

wasnt that what anon meant

the middle east belongs to the arabs, the only reason it got invaded by jews was because europeans [mostly british] told them they could

the most stupid part of it is that jews from all over the world who have little to no connection to israel, like ones that have only ever been foreign born,,,can still 'return' to israel

it makes about as much sense as your average american 'returning' to england because 500 years ago his ancestors came over as colonists

yet somehow israel calls their bullshit legit

>Neither of them seem to want peace very much


Oh so, the part where they negotiated conquered lands for peace with their neighboring countries isn't very "peace-wanting"?

Mkay.

well israel's terms tend to be "we take all the good parts and you can have the shit left over...that seems fair to us so you should accept that"

Even if it is those terms that you seem to claim, it's still an indication that Israel wants peace, more so than Palestine.

well is it really peace when they just want to make palestine suffer under oppressive terms

say if some guy came into your house...beat the shit out of you, then picked up your tv, and told you they'll leave you alone if you just let them take it...how would you view that?

Woah woah woah, "Oppressive terms"?

Like what? The reason Israel kicked the asses of every single neighboring country around them was because they decided they didn't want Israel so they all jumped on them offensively. Israel retaliated, even taking more lands than anyone would've ever expected until the USA (or UN, I forget) told them to stop.

It was considered conquered lands in war-time, and Israel had right to keep the lands and expand their own territory but they instead negotiated for peace, as you can see with Jordan. They didn't impose any "oppressive terms" on Egypt after giving them land.

If you're referring solely to the Gaza Strip, then blame the majority of the inhabitants there for selecting Hamas as their "rulers", if Hamas didn't train people to take guns and shoot Israeli people, and send suicide bombers against Israel, and actually tried to start fixing up the Gaza Strip, then maybe that defensive wall wouldn't have been there in the first place.

But no. Religious views and Jihads make the Hamas turn to violence.

The reason JEWS act like they 100% claim to the land is because of their RELIGION, their precious Torah tells them that GOD gave them the land.
Yeah, the Arabs settled the land before but technically held no "legal" rights, the kind of rights which everybody are so fervently concerned with nowadays.

You know what else the Torah says? That the Jews were in exile from Israel because of all the sins they committed and now they must repent, hence why they haven't lived in Israel for so long. [Correct me on this however as my memory on this is not sharp].

The reason there was a huge difference in the lands that were given to them, was because the original plan to divide the country between Israeli and Arabs groups fell out. The Arabs didn't want the Jews to settle in Israel and they resorted to attacking them rather than pressing a different kind of agreement. So Israel plunged to war. Guess what, Jews captured most, if not all, of the lands originally designated to the Arabs, and the lands stay theirs as conquered ground.

"Palestine hasn't had much of a chance to actually organize things" Right... So, without Hamas, the IDF decided to go into the Gaza Strip, on a regularly basis and say "You know what, we'll fuck you up once in a while because we hate you". No.
The Gaza Strip was walled up because they still sent suicide bombers and grouping the remaining Arabs in that area was an attempt to stop those bombers.

One of the Prime Ministers of Israel (Itzhak Rabin) ordered the IDF out of the Gaza Strip because he believed in peace and the mutual agreement of both sides in peaceful existence in one country. But nope. He got shot, and incursions from the Gaza Strip started again, and the IDF got back in there.

If Palestine, and the Arabs, were actually interested in coexisting and peace, they'd take strides in that direction. But no. They chose Hamas because they didn't realize the liberties and rights they had, they were affected by the racism prevalent in Israel towards Arabs and chose Hamas, who now has a hand over every single Arab in the Gaza Strip. If they know about a certain Arab who has permission and license to go and work anywhere in Israel, they can just force him to do anything on the threat of killing his family.

But I will say, both sides of this argument are acting hypocritical. Both sides have extremists. On the Israeli side, we have people crying "Death to the Arabs", and the same goes for the other side but no one wants to get to the bottom of the problem.

kudos to you for chatting reasonably and logically

You too, and I do agree on your last note regarding religion albeit, I would say that eliminating religion all together might be extreme but rather, removing the major power from religion is an option.

I say this because I know some people who can't, psychologically, exist without the idea of an almighty being, or other such.

they could give up their bullshit and convert into that Druze religion that wants to unite everyone

yeah there are a number of peole who 'need' the psychological crutch of religion to help them exist......
just look at people in the bible belt in usa who flip out whenever you say literally anything that disagrees with their religious ideals

well the palestinians dont have much to do other than resist israeli occupation

in WW2 when germany occupied countries....resistance groups in france poland and czech went around killing german soldiers and sabotaging factories and vehicles where they could to make things miserable for germany, and the resistance fighters are hailed as heroes

here we have israeli doing the occupation but the arabs in resistance groups are called 'terrorists'.....

all in all the best way to end the shitstorm would be just round up everything to do with their religions and just burn it all.....destroy the religions clashing and shit can end

Apparently not.
Also, free refills seems to be an american thing.

Can confirm. Just got back from Paris. They also don't understand the concept of ice.

'Well at least my parking job is'. Meaning he parked the car straight. Not that he is straight.

They basically said only their parking job was straight, making the person not-straight, sexually speaking.

Long time no bbc

Heh