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#30 - she's hot 02/18/2015 on Nonchalant -1
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#4161 - I wasn't even trying to argue with you because I lack sufficie… 02/18/2015 on /science/ board 0
#4159 - I used the RNG article solely to prove you wrong on the lotter…  [+] (2 new replies) 02/18/2015 on /science/ board 0
User avatar #4160 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Yes because copy pasting information instead of I don't know paraphrasing and leaving a link to the source is how you get your point across.

As of right now I am correct and you are wrong, until you prove otherwise this will remain the case, this is how the world works. We work with what we got until we got something better to work with, right now it's pretty clear there are random events in the world that are completely unpredictable and until you prove otherwise they will remain completely unpredictable.

I'm not saying that the possibility of them being predictable is zero, simply that arguments are won with proof and evidence and so far you've only provided evidence in my favor showing that there are what people consider True RNGs in existence and these "people" are chumps talking shit on the internet like you and me, these people are scientists who have spent years of their lives studying this kinda thing.

Point being until you can prove otherwise then randomness exists, not all causes can be calculate therefore not all events can be predicted and thus the future is not predetermined.

Don't mistake this for me being smug or refusing to be wrong, I'd gladly admit the future is predetermined if only you'd provide some kinda substantial evidence for it. So far your argument is just "we can't prove it's NOT the X so therefore it must be the X!" You state your first statement #4134 as fact yet that's all you have for evidence and that simply isn't enough.
User avatar #4161 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
I wasn't even trying to argue with you because I lack sufficient knowledge about the subject. And yes if this was an official debate you'd be right but it isn't and I'm just saying what I'm thinking. It's more convenient for science to assume true RNG exists because we lack the technology to prove otherwise.
#4157 - Guess that's a matter of opinion. I think radioactive decay is…  [+] (4 new replies) 02/18/2015 on /science/ board 0
User avatar #4158 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
The place you copy pasted from says it is random and you have no evidence to prove it isn't random. Are you seriously not believing it just because it proves you wrong? Scientists around the world can't figure it out to the point where they are using the decay or radioactive isotopes for RNGs and you still think they can be predicted?

You have nothing to prove it is predictable except "a matter of opinion" which isn't worth much considering it brings literally nothing to the table, unless you have some sort of evidence to prove it isn't random then you've got nothing.

But hey at least you can fall back on the "it's not like we can prove it with the current technology" yeah sure man just fall back on the maybe we'll find evidence it's not random in the future so let's just pretend that's the case now.

User avatar #4159 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
I used the RNG article solely to prove you wrong on the lottery thing by showing you how RNG works. Scientists can't figure out a bunch of things yet, doesn't mean they don't exist. Higgs Boson was a theory too a few years ago which couldn't be proven, and now it has.

So yes it is a matter of debate because our technology hasn't reached that fat (yet). Just like it's a matter of debate whether god exists, what happened before the big bang etcetera.
User avatar #4160 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Yes because copy pasting information instead of I don't know paraphrasing and leaving a link to the source is how you get your point across.

As of right now I am correct and you are wrong, until you prove otherwise this will remain the case, this is how the world works. We work with what we got until we got something better to work with, right now it's pretty clear there are random events in the world that are completely unpredictable and until you prove otherwise they will remain completely unpredictable.

I'm not saying that the possibility of them being predictable is zero, simply that arguments are won with proof and evidence and so far you've only provided evidence in my favor showing that there are what people consider True RNGs in existence and these "people" are chumps talking shit on the internet like you and me, these people are scientists who have spent years of their lives studying this kinda thing.

Point being until you can prove otherwise then randomness exists, not all causes can be calculate therefore not all events can be predicted and thus the future is not predetermined.

Don't mistake this for me being smug or refusing to be wrong, I'd gladly admit the future is predetermined if only you'd provide some kinda substantial evidence for it. So far your argument is just "we can't prove it's NOT the X so therefore it must be the X!" You state your first statement #4134 as fact yet that's all you have for evidence and that simply isn't enough.
User avatar #4161 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
I wasn't even trying to argue with you because I lack sufficient knowledge about the subject. And yes if this was an official debate you'd be right but it isn't and I'm just saying what I'm thinking. It's more convenient for science to assume true RNG exists because we lack the technology to prove otherwise.
#4155 - People in the gaming world often ask if the results that rando…  [+] (6 new replies) 02/18/2015 on /science/ board 0
User avatar #4156 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
GJ copy pasting but that doesn't answer my question, in fact it just supports my argument.
There are still random elements in reality that can not be predicted (the True random RNGs) and therefore you cannot calculate the cause therefore no effect therefore the future is not predetermined.
User avatar #4157 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
Guess that's a matter of opinion. I think radioactive decay isn't random, you think it is. It's not like we can prove it with the current technology.
User avatar #4158 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
The place you copy pasted from says it is random and you have no evidence to prove it isn't random. Are you seriously not believing it just because it proves you wrong? Scientists around the world can't figure it out to the point where they are using the decay or radioactive isotopes for RNGs and you still think they can be predicted?

You have nothing to prove it is predictable except "a matter of opinion" which isn't worth much considering it brings literally nothing to the table, unless you have some sort of evidence to prove it isn't random then you've got nothing.

But hey at least you can fall back on the "it's not like we can prove it with the current technology" yeah sure man just fall back on the maybe we'll find evidence it's not random in the future so let's just pretend that's the case now.

User avatar #4159 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
I used the RNG article solely to prove you wrong on the lottery thing by showing you how RNG works. Scientists can't figure out a bunch of things yet, doesn't mean they don't exist. Higgs Boson was a theory too a few years ago which couldn't be proven, and now it has.

So yes it is a matter of debate because our technology hasn't reached that fat (yet). Just like it's a matter of debate whether god exists, what happened before the big bang etcetera.
User avatar #4160 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Yes because copy pasting information instead of I don't know paraphrasing and leaving a link to the source is how you get your point across.

As of right now I am correct and you are wrong, until you prove otherwise this will remain the case, this is how the world works. We work with what we got until we got something better to work with, right now it's pretty clear there are random events in the world that are completely unpredictable and until you prove otherwise they will remain completely unpredictable.

I'm not saying that the possibility of them being predictable is zero, simply that arguments are won with proof and evidence and so far you've only provided evidence in my favor showing that there are what people consider True RNGs in existence and these "people" are chumps talking shit on the internet like you and me, these people are scientists who have spent years of their lives studying this kinda thing.

Point being until you can prove otherwise then randomness exists, not all causes can be calculate therefore not all events can be predicted and thus the future is not predetermined.

Don't mistake this for me being smug or refusing to be wrong, I'd gladly admit the future is predetermined if only you'd provide some kinda substantial evidence for it. So far your argument is just "we can't prove it's NOT the X so therefore it must be the X!" You state your first statement #4134 as fact yet that's all you have for evidence and that simply isn't enough.
User avatar #4161 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
I wasn't even trying to argue with you because I lack sufficient knowledge about the subject. And yes if this was an official debate you'd be right but it isn't and I'm just saying what I'm thinking. It's more convenient for science to assume true RNG exists because we lack the technology to prove otherwise.
#4152 - They're not random as in they use complex formulas to determin…  [+] (8 new replies) 02/18/2015 on /science/ board 0
User avatar #4154 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Do you even know what straw man is?
I haven't set you up as an imaginary target and portrayed you as an idiot ranting to make you an easier target, I'm asking simple questions. Granted the first two were rhetorical and more questions as to why what you saw would even occur.

You're the one trying to state as a fact that randomly generated lotto numbers are not random. All I want you to do is to tell me how you would predict a random event while using lotto numbers as an example. You say they use complex fomulas to generate these numbers but are you aware there is a hardware random number generator that theoretically and you just love that word is completely random and unpredictable?
User avatar #4155 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
People in the gaming world often ask if the results that random number generators (RNGs) produce really random? There are those who question how do these RNGs work. But if you go down and dirty with the details of generating and programming an RNG our average player will have to take a crash course in programming. But not everyone has time to study the really dark details of RNGs. At best we can ask if RNGs are really reliable and honest.

There are actually three types of RNGs that we'll usually stumble upon. The first one is the truly random RNG, next is the quasi-random RNG, and finally we have the pseudo-random RNG.

Truly random RNGs really produce unpredictable sequences in which we will not find any patterns at all. The only drawback to these truly random RNGs is the fact that they just can't be used in every day life. Truly random results can only be generated using a phenomenon that naturally occurs in nature. An example of this is the decay of isotopes which can be recorded and fed to a computer and thus producing a truly random RNG.

When one initially studies how to make an RNG, a wannabe programmer will initially use textbook algorithms to produce an RNG. What this simply means is taking the simplest set of logical instructions that can be given to a computer and then produce a quasi-random RNG. The problem with quasi-random RNGs is that they tend to show a pattern in the results.

Let's say you measure the results of a quasi-random RNG when it mimics dice rolls. At first it would seem to produce random results. But that will usually fall in the short term, but by measuring the results in the long run you will then see patterns arise in the sequence of dice rolls the RNG produces. This isn't totally reliable if you're going to use it to produce games like backgammon, blackjack, or roulette since people can find a way to guess the results made by the RNG.

What we have today is a compromise between these two RNG models and have come up with what is called a pseudo-RNG. These are by far the most widespread model used today. Statistics show that the results made by this type of RNG is statistically independent. Tests also show that they are produce uniformly distributed results. Thus we now have RNGs that can be used day to day.

Today's RNGs are subjected to statistical tests to check if they produce results that are up to standard. That includes a certain percentage of the results should let players win. The percentage of wins varies from state to state (e.g. required 75% to 90% winnings).

In the end it is all a matter of trust knowing that random number generators are subjected to routine testing and that they are certified to comply with standards set by the law.
User avatar #4156 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
GJ copy pasting but that doesn't answer my question, in fact it just supports my argument.
There are still random elements in reality that can not be predicted (the True random RNGs) and therefore you cannot calculate the cause therefore no effect therefore the future is not predetermined.
User avatar #4157 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
Guess that's a matter of opinion. I think radioactive decay isn't random, you think it is. It's not like we can prove it with the current technology.
User avatar #4158 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
The place you copy pasted from says it is random and you have no evidence to prove it isn't random. Are you seriously not believing it just because it proves you wrong? Scientists around the world can't figure it out to the point where they are using the decay or radioactive isotopes for RNGs and you still think they can be predicted?

You have nothing to prove it is predictable except "a matter of opinion" which isn't worth much considering it brings literally nothing to the table, unless you have some sort of evidence to prove it isn't random then you've got nothing.

But hey at least you can fall back on the "it's not like we can prove it with the current technology" yeah sure man just fall back on the maybe we'll find evidence it's not random in the future so let's just pretend that's the case now.

User avatar #4159 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
I used the RNG article solely to prove you wrong on the lottery thing by showing you how RNG works. Scientists can't figure out a bunch of things yet, doesn't mean they don't exist. Higgs Boson was a theory too a few years ago which couldn't be proven, and now it has.

So yes it is a matter of debate because our technology hasn't reached that fat (yet). Just like it's a matter of debate whether god exists, what happened before the big bang etcetera.
User avatar #4160 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Yes because copy pasting information instead of I don't know paraphrasing and leaving a link to the source is how you get your point across.

As of right now I am correct and you are wrong, until you prove otherwise this will remain the case, this is how the world works. We work with what we got until we got something better to work with, right now it's pretty clear there are random events in the world that are completely unpredictable and until you prove otherwise they will remain completely unpredictable.

I'm not saying that the possibility of them being predictable is zero, simply that arguments are won with proof and evidence and so far you've only provided evidence in my favor showing that there are what people consider True RNGs in existence and these "people" are chumps talking shit on the internet like you and me, these people are scientists who have spent years of their lives studying this kinda thing.

Point being until you can prove otherwise then randomness exists, not all causes can be calculate therefore not all events can be predicted and thus the future is not predetermined.

Don't mistake this for me being smug or refusing to be wrong, I'd gladly admit the future is predetermined if only you'd provide some kinda substantial evidence for it. So far your argument is just "we can't prove it's NOT the X so therefore it must be the X!" You state your first statement #4134 as fact yet that's all you have for evidence and that simply isn't enough.
User avatar #4161 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
I wasn't even trying to argue with you because I lack sufficient knowledge about the subject. And yes if this was an official debate you'd be right but it isn't and I'm just saying what I'm thinking. It's more convenient for science to assume true RNG exists because we lack the technology to prove otherwise.
#4150 - Generated with computers that can't be random.  [+] (10 new replies) 02/18/2015 on /science/ board 0
User avatar #4151 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Why would they have non-randomized numbers for a lotto?
Why would they want everyone to win?
Why would you even suggest this when you're supposed to prove that you can calculate and predict a random event?
User avatar #4152 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
They're not random as in they use complex formulas to determine a number. The rest of your questions are strawmen.
User avatar #4154 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Do you even know what straw man is?
I haven't set you up as an imaginary target and portrayed you as an idiot ranting to make you an easier target, I'm asking simple questions. Granted the first two were rhetorical and more questions as to why what you saw would even occur.

You're the one trying to state as a fact that randomly generated lotto numbers are not random. All I want you to do is to tell me how you would predict a random event while using lotto numbers as an example. You say they use complex fomulas to generate these numbers but are you aware there is a hardware random number generator that theoretically and you just love that word is completely random and unpredictable?
User avatar #4155 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
People in the gaming world often ask if the results that random number generators (RNGs) produce really random? There are those who question how do these RNGs work. But if you go down and dirty with the details of generating and programming an RNG our average player will have to take a crash course in programming. But not everyone has time to study the really dark details of RNGs. At best we can ask if RNGs are really reliable and honest.

There are actually three types of RNGs that we'll usually stumble upon. The first one is the truly random RNG, next is the quasi-random RNG, and finally we have the pseudo-random RNG.

Truly random RNGs really produce unpredictable sequences in which we will not find any patterns at all. The only drawback to these truly random RNGs is the fact that they just can't be used in every day life. Truly random results can only be generated using a phenomenon that naturally occurs in nature. An example of this is the decay of isotopes which can be recorded and fed to a computer and thus producing a truly random RNG.

When one initially studies how to make an RNG, a wannabe programmer will initially use textbook algorithms to produce an RNG. What this simply means is taking the simplest set of logical instructions that can be given to a computer and then produce a quasi-random RNG. The problem with quasi-random RNGs is that they tend to show a pattern in the results.

Let's say you measure the results of a quasi-random RNG when it mimics dice rolls. At first it would seem to produce random results. But that will usually fall in the short term, but by measuring the results in the long run you will then see patterns arise in the sequence of dice rolls the RNG produces. This isn't totally reliable if you're going to use it to produce games like backgammon, blackjack, or roulette since people can find a way to guess the results made by the RNG.

What we have today is a compromise between these two RNG models and have come up with what is called a pseudo-RNG. These are by far the most widespread model used today. Statistics show that the results made by this type of RNG is statistically independent. Tests also show that they are produce uniformly distributed results. Thus we now have RNGs that can be used day to day.

Today's RNGs are subjected to statistical tests to check if they produce results that are up to standard. That includes a certain percentage of the results should let players win. The percentage of wins varies from state to state (e.g. required 75% to 90% winnings).

In the end it is all a matter of trust knowing that random number generators are subjected to routine testing and that they are certified to comply with standards set by the law.
User avatar #4156 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
GJ copy pasting but that doesn't answer my question, in fact it just supports my argument.
There are still random elements in reality that can not be predicted (the True random RNGs) and therefore you cannot calculate the cause therefore no effect therefore the future is not predetermined.
User avatar #4157 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
Guess that's a matter of opinion. I think radioactive decay isn't random, you think it is. It's not like we can prove it with the current technology.
User avatar #4158 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
The place you copy pasted from says it is random and you have no evidence to prove it isn't random. Are you seriously not believing it just because it proves you wrong? Scientists around the world can't figure it out to the point where they are using the decay or radioactive isotopes for RNGs and you still think they can be predicted?

You have nothing to prove it is predictable except "a matter of opinion" which isn't worth much considering it brings literally nothing to the table, unless you have some sort of evidence to prove it isn't random then you've got nothing.

But hey at least you can fall back on the "it's not like we can prove it with the current technology" yeah sure man just fall back on the maybe we'll find evidence it's not random in the future so let's just pretend that's the case now.

User avatar #4159 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
I used the RNG article solely to prove you wrong on the lottery thing by showing you how RNG works. Scientists can't figure out a bunch of things yet, doesn't mean they don't exist. Higgs Boson was a theory too a few years ago which couldn't be proven, and now it has.

So yes it is a matter of debate because our technology hasn't reached that fat (yet). Just like it's a matter of debate whether god exists, what happened before the big bang etcetera.
User avatar #4160 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Yes because copy pasting information instead of I don't know paraphrasing and leaving a link to the source is how you get your point across.

As of right now I am correct and you are wrong, until you prove otherwise this will remain the case, this is how the world works. We work with what we got until we got something better to work with, right now it's pretty clear there are random events in the world that are completely unpredictable and until you prove otherwise they will remain completely unpredictable.

I'm not saying that the possibility of them being predictable is zero, simply that arguments are won with proof and evidence and so far you've only provided evidence in my favor showing that there are what people consider True RNGs in existence and these "people" are chumps talking shit on the internet like you and me, these people are scientists who have spent years of their lives studying this kinda thing.

Point being until you can prove otherwise then randomness exists, not all causes can be calculate therefore not all events can be predicted and thus the future is not predetermined.

Don't mistake this for me being smug or refusing to be wrong, I'd gladly admit the future is predetermined if only you'd provide some kinda substantial evidence for it. So far your argument is just "we can't prove it's NOT the X so therefore it must be the X!" You state your first statement #4134 as fact yet that's all you have for evidence and that simply isn't enough.
User avatar #4161 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
I wasn't even trying to argue with you because I lack sufficient knowledge about the subject. And yes if this was an official debate you'd be right but it isn't and I'm just saying what I'm thinking. It's more convenient for science to assume true RNG exists because we lack the technology to prove otherwise.
#4148 - Rolling dices and flipping coins depends on the way you throw …  [+] (12 new replies) 02/18/2015 on /science/ board 0
User avatar #4149 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Great you've got dices and flipping coins theoretically figured out.
What about randomly generated lotto tickets?
User avatar #4150 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
Generated with computers that can't be random.
User avatar #4151 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Why would they have non-randomized numbers for a lotto?
Why would they want everyone to win?
Why would you even suggest this when you're supposed to prove that you can calculate and predict a random event?
User avatar #4152 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
They're not random as in they use complex formulas to determine a number. The rest of your questions are strawmen.
User avatar #4154 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Do you even know what straw man is?
I haven't set you up as an imaginary target and portrayed you as an idiot ranting to make you an easier target, I'm asking simple questions. Granted the first two were rhetorical and more questions as to why what you saw would even occur.

You're the one trying to state as a fact that randomly generated lotto numbers are not random. All I want you to do is to tell me how you would predict a random event while using lotto numbers as an example. You say they use complex fomulas to generate these numbers but are you aware there is a hardware random number generator that theoretically and you just love that word is completely random and unpredictable?
User avatar #4155 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
People in the gaming world often ask if the results that random number generators (RNGs) produce really random? There are those who question how do these RNGs work. But if you go down and dirty with the details of generating and programming an RNG our average player will have to take a crash course in programming. But not everyone has time to study the really dark details of RNGs. At best we can ask if RNGs are really reliable and honest.

There are actually three types of RNGs that we'll usually stumble upon. The first one is the truly random RNG, next is the quasi-random RNG, and finally we have the pseudo-random RNG.

Truly random RNGs really produce unpredictable sequences in which we will not find any patterns at all. The only drawback to these truly random RNGs is the fact that they just can't be used in every day life. Truly random results can only be generated using a phenomenon that naturally occurs in nature. An example of this is the decay of isotopes which can be recorded and fed to a computer and thus producing a truly random RNG.

When one initially studies how to make an RNG, a wannabe programmer will initially use textbook algorithms to produce an RNG. What this simply means is taking the simplest set of logical instructions that can be given to a computer and then produce a quasi-random RNG. The problem with quasi-random RNGs is that they tend to show a pattern in the results.

Let's say you measure the results of a quasi-random RNG when it mimics dice rolls. At first it would seem to produce random results. But that will usually fall in the short term, but by measuring the results in the long run you will then see patterns arise in the sequence of dice rolls the RNG produces. This isn't totally reliable if you're going to use it to produce games like backgammon, blackjack, or roulette since people can find a way to guess the results made by the RNG.

What we have today is a compromise between these two RNG models and have come up with what is called a pseudo-RNG. These are by far the most widespread model used today. Statistics show that the results made by this type of RNG is statistically independent. Tests also show that they are produce uniformly distributed results. Thus we now have RNGs that can be used day to day.

Today's RNGs are subjected to statistical tests to check if they produce results that are up to standard. That includes a certain percentage of the results should let players win. The percentage of wins varies from state to state (e.g. required 75% to 90% winnings).

In the end it is all a matter of trust knowing that random number generators are subjected to routine testing and that they are certified to comply with standards set by the law.
User avatar #4156 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
GJ copy pasting but that doesn't answer my question, in fact it just supports my argument.
There are still random elements in reality that can not be predicted (the True random RNGs) and therefore you cannot calculate the cause therefore no effect therefore the future is not predetermined.
User avatar #4157 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
Guess that's a matter of opinion. I think radioactive decay isn't random, you think it is. It's not like we can prove it with the current technology.
User avatar #4158 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
The place you copy pasted from says it is random and you have no evidence to prove it isn't random. Are you seriously not believing it just because it proves you wrong? Scientists around the world can't figure it out to the point where they are using the decay or radioactive isotopes for RNGs and you still think they can be predicted?

You have nothing to prove it is predictable except "a matter of opinion" which isn't worth much considering it brings literally nothing to the table, unless you have some sort of evidence to prove it isn't random then you've got nothing.

But hey at least you can fall back on the "it's not like we can prove it with the current technology" yeah sure man just fall back on the maybe we'll find evidence it's not random in the future so let's just pretend that's the case now.

User avatar #4159 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
I used the RNG article solely to prove you wrong on the lottery thing by showing you how RNG works. Scientists can't figure out a bunch of things yet, doesn't mean they don't exist. Higgs Boson was a theory too a few years ago which couldn't be proven, and now it has.

So yes it is a matter of debate because our technology hasn't reached that fat (yet). Just like it's a matter of debate whether god exists, what happened before the big bang etcetera.
User avatar #4160 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Yes because copy pasting information instead of I don't know paraphrasing and leaving a link to the source is how you get your point across.

As of right now I am correct and you are wrong, until you prove otherwise this will remain the case, this is how the world works. We work with what we got until we got something better to work with, right now it's pretty clear there are random events in the world that are completely unpredictable and until you prove otherwise they will remain completely unpredictable.

I'm not saying that the possibility of them being predictable is zero, simply that arguments are won with proof and evidence and so far you've only provided evidence in my favor showing that there are what people consider True RNGs in existence and these "people" are chumps talking shit on the internet like you and me, these people are scientists who have spent years of their lives studying this kinda thing.

Point being until you can prove otherwise then randomness exists, not all causes can be calculate therefore not all events can be predicted and thus the future is not predetermined.

Don't mistake this for me being smug or refusing to be wrong, I'd gladly admit the future is predetermined if only you'd provide some kinda substantial evidence for it. So far your argument is just "we can't prove it's NOT the X so therefore it must be the X!" You state your first statement #4134 as fact yet that's all you have for evidence and that simply isn't enough.
User avatar #4161 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
I wasn't even trying to argue with you because I lack sufficient knowledge about the subject. And yes if this was an official debate you'd be right but it isn't and I'm just saying what I'm thinking. It's more convenient for science to assume true RNG exists because we lack the technology to prove otherwise.
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#4137 - Do quantum laws apply to normal scale? Why/why not?  [+] (4 new replies) 02/17/2015 on /science/ board 0
#4145 - anonymous (02/18/2015) [-]
> The "normal scale", or classical mechanics which govern our normal scale of things, can be seen as the emergent properties of quantum mechanics. So they apply in a sense that the normal scale is dependent on QM, but the laws that govern QM do not apply at the macroscopic level.
There are a number of ways to explain why not but i'll give you an example.
> Using a light source (photons) and the double-slit experiment, you see photons behave as both a wave and a particle. Enlarge the size of the experiment to where you are throwing baseballs at two slits in a wall. Obviously, the baseballs going through the slit in a wall do not behave the same as the particles of light in the double-slit experiment, but why? Well, size is a key issue, but more specifically, the many particles in the baseballs are "entangled" and the quantum state of the particles cannot be described independently, so you deal with the system as a whole.
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User avatar #4138 - nimba (02/17/2015) [-]
Not an expert but I believe they do, it's just at normal scales Newtonian physics are an easier estimation. Einsteinian physics are closer to the truth, but Newtonian is kept around because it's nicer to work with at mundane scales.
User avatar #4142 - beatmasterz (02/17/2015) [-]
I have no idea what all that means.
#4136 - The causes could theoretically be calculated and the outcome as well.  [+] (16 new replies) 02/17/2015 on /science/ board 0
User avatar #4144 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
You could theoretically consume your own asshole and live forever, doesn't really mean much when you can't achieve it in reality now does it?

And not really considering all the random variable you're not taking into consideration, every time someone rolls a dice in a game of DnD, every time someone buys a lottery ticket with random numbers, how could you calculate this and the outcomes?
User avatar #4148 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
Rolling dices and flipping coins depends on the way you throw it, wind resistance all that shit. Could theoretically be predicted.
User avatar #4149 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Great you've got dices and flipping coins theoretically figured out.
What about randomly generated lotto tickets?
User avatar #4150 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
Generated with computers that can't be random.
User avatar #4151 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Why would they have non-randomized numbers for a lotto?
Why would they want everyone to win?
Why would you even suggest this when you're supposed to prove that you can calculate and predict a random event?
User avatar #4152 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
They're not random as in they use complex formulas to determine a number. The rest of your questions are strawmen.
User avatar #4154 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Do you even know what straw man is?
I haven't set you up as an imaginary target and portrayed you as an idiot ranting to make you an easier target, I'm asking simple questions. Granted the first two were rhetorical and more questions as to why what you saw would even occur.

You're the one trying to state as a fact that randomly generated lotto numbers are not random. All I want you to do is to tell me how you would predict a random event while using lotto numbers as an example. You say they use complex fomulas to generate these numbers but are you aware there is a hardware random number generator that theoretically and you just love that word is completely random and unpredictable?
User avatar #4155 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
People in the gaming world often ask if the results that random number generators (RNGs) produce really random? There are those who question how do these RNGs work. But if you go down and dirty with the details of generating and programming an RNG our average player will have to take a crash course in programming. But not everyone has time to study the really dark details of RNGs. At best we can ask if RNGs are really reliable and honest.

There are actually three types of RNGs that we'll usually stumble upon. The first one is the truly random RNG, next is the quasi-random RNG, and finally we have the pseudo-random RNG.

Truly random RNGs really produce unpredictable sequences in which we will not find any patterns at all. The only drawback to these truly random RNGs is the fact that they just can't be used in every day life. Truly random results can only be generated using a phenomenon that naturally occurs in nature. An example of this is the decay of isotopes which can be recorded and fed to a computer and thus producing a truly random RNG.

When one initially studies how to make an RNG, a wannabe programmer will initially use textbook algorithms to produce an RNG. What this simply means is taking the simplest set of logical instructions that can be given to a computer and then produce a quasi-random RNG. The problem with quasi-random RNGs is that they tend to show a pattern in the results.

Let's say you measure the results of a quasi-random RNG when it mimics dice rolls. At first it would seem to produce random results. But that will usually fall in the short term, but by measuring the results in the long run you will then see patterns arise in the sequence of dice rolls the RNG produces. This isn't totally reliable if you're going to use it to produce games like backgammon, blackjack, or roulette since people can find a way to guess the results made by the RNG.

What we have today is a compromise between these two RNG models and have come up with what is called a pseudo-RNG. These are by far the most widespread model used today. Statistics show that the results made by this type of RNG is statistically independent. Tests also show that they are produce uniformly distributed results. Thus we now have RNGs that can be used day to day.

Today's RNGs are subjected to statistical tests to check if they produce results that are up to standard. That includes a certain percentage of the results should let players win. The percentage of wins varies from state to state (e.g. required 75% to 90% winnings).

In the end it is all a matter of trust knowing that random number generators are subjected to routine testing and that they are certified to comply with standards set by the law.
User avatar #4156 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
GJ copy pasting but that doesn't answer my question, in fact it just supports my argument.
There are still random elements in reality that can not be predicted (the True random RNGs) and therefore you cannot calculate the cause therefore no effect therefore the future is not predetermined.
User avatar #4157 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
Guess that's a matter of opinion. I think radioactive decay isn't random, you think it is. It's not like we can prove it with the current technology.
User avatar #4158 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
The place you copy pasted from says it is random and you have no evidence to prove it isn't random. Are you seriously not believing it just because it proves you wrong? Scientists around the world can't figure it out to the point where they are using the decay or radioactive isotopes for RNGs and you still think they can be predicted?

You have nothing to prove it is predictable except "a matter of opinion" which isn't worth much considering it brings literally nothing to the table, unless you have some sort of evidence to prove it isn't random then you've got nothing.

But hey at least you can fall back on the "it's not like we can prove it with the current technology" yeah sure man just fall back on the maybe we'll find evidence it's not random in the future so let's just pretend that's the case now.

User avatar #4159 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
I used the RNG article solely to prove you wrong on the lottery thing by showing you how RNG works. Scientists can't figure out a bunch of things yet, doesn't mean they don't exist. Higgs Boson was a theory too a few years ago which couldn't be proven, and now it has.

So yes it is a matter of debate because our technology hasn't reached that fat (yet). Just like it's a matter of debate whether god exists, what happened before the big bang etcetera.
User avatar #4160 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Yes because copy pasting information instead of I don't know paraphrasing and leaving a link to the source is how you get your point across.

As of right now I am correct and you are wrong, until you prove otherwise this will remain the case, this is how the world works. We work with what we got until we got something better to work with, right now it's pretty clear there are random events in the world that are completely unpredictable and until you prove otherwise they will remain completely unpredictable.

I'm not saying that the possibility of them being predictable is zero, simply that arguments are won with proof and evidence and so far you've only provided evidence in my favor showing that there are what people consider True RNGs in existence and these "people" are chumps talking shit on the internet like you and me, these people are scientists who have spent years of their lives studying this kinda thing.

Point being until you can prove otherwise then randomness exists, not all causes can be calculate therefore not all events can be predicted and thus the future is not predetermined.

Don't mistake this for me being smug or refusing to be wrong, I'd gladly admit the future is predetermined if only you'd provide some kinda substantial evidence for it. So far your argument is just "we can't prove it's NOT the X so therefore it must be the X!" You state your first statement #4134 as fact yet that's all you have for evidence and that simply isn't enough.
User avatar #4161 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
I wasn't even trying to argue with you because I lack sufficient knowledge about the subject. And yes if this was an official debate you'd be right but it isn't and I'm just saying what I'm thinking. It's more convenient for science to assume true RNG exists because we lack the technology to prove otherwise.
User avatar #4139 - nimba (02/17/2015) [-]
It's mechanistic determinism and it argues that free will is an illusion. But you then have to factor that you may change your behaviour in relation to that and second guess yourself. Now whether that second guessing is also determined mechanistically is speculation. We can't know whether something was destined or not because we don't have access to a universe where the other option was taken.
User avatar #4143 - beatmasterz (02/17/2015) [-]
Guess that's true. And with scientific goggles we probably don't have free will.
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#4134 - If causality is true, doesn't that mean the future is already …  [+] (18 new replies) 02/17/2015 on /science/ board 0
User avatar #4135 - sugoi (02/17/2015) [-]
Not really because the cause for the events in the future hasn't happened yet and the causes can change.
User avatar #4136 - beatmasterz (02/17/2015) [-]
The causes could theoretically be calculated and the outcome as well.
User avatar #4144 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
You could theoretically consume your own asshole and live forever, doesn't really mean much when you can't achieve it in reality now does it?

And not really considering all the random variable you're not taking into consideration, every time someone rolls a dice in a game of DnD, every time someone buys a lottery ticket with random numbers, how could you calculate this and the outcomes?
User avatar #4148 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
Rolling dices and flipping coins depends on the way you throw it, wind resistance all that shit. Could theoretically be predicted.
User avatar #4149 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Great you've got dices and flipping coins theoretically figured out.
What about randomly generated lotto tickets?
User avatar #4150 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
Generated with computers that can't be random.
User avatar #4151 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Why would they have non-randomized numbers for a lotto?
Why would they want everyone to win?
Why would you even suggest this when you're supposed to prove that you can calculate and predict a random event?
User avatar #4152 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
They're not random as in they use complex formulas to determine a number. The rest of your questions are strawmen.
User avatar #4154 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Do you even know what straw man is?
I haven't set you up as an imaginary target and portrayed you as an idiot ranting to make you an easier target, I'm asking simple questions. Granted the first two were rhetorical and more questions as to why what you saw would even occur.

You're the one trying to state as a fact that randomly generated lotto numbers are not random. All I want you to do is to tell me how you would predict a random event while using lotto numbers as an example. You say they use complex fomulas to generate these numbers but are you aware there is a hardware random number generator that theoretically and you just love that word is completely random and unpredictable?
User avatar #4155 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
People in the gaming world often ask if the results that random number generators (RNGs) produce really random? There are those who question how do these RNGs work. But if you go down and dirty with the details of generating and programming an RNG our average player will have to take a crash course in programming. But not everyone has time to study the really dark details of RNGs. At best we can ask if RNGs are really reliable and honest.

There are actually three types of RNGs that we'll usually stumble upon. The first one is the truly random RNG, next is the quasi-random RNG, and finally we have the pseudo-random RNG.

Truly random RNGs really produce unpredictable sequences in which we will not find any patterns at all. The only drawback to these truly random RNGs is the fact that they just can't be used in every day life. Truly random results can only be generated using a phenomenon that naturally occurs in nature. An example of this is the decay of isotopes which can be recorded and fed to a computer and thus producing a truly random RNG.

When one initially studies how to make an RNG, a wannabe programmer will initially use textbook algorithms to produce an RNG. What this simply means is taking the simplest set of logical instructions that can be given to a computer and then produce a quasi-random RNG. The problem with quasi-random RNGs is that they tend to show a pattern in the results.

Let's say you measure the results of a quasi-random RNG when it mimics dice rolls. At first it would seem to produce random results. But that will usually fall in the short term, but by measuring the results in the long run you will then see patterns arise in the sequence of dice rolls the RNG produces. This isn't totally reliable if you're going to use it to produce games like backgammon, blackjack, or roulette since people can find a way to guess the results made by the RNG.

What we have today is a compromise between these two RNG models and have come up with what is called a pseudo-RNG. These are by far the most widespread model used today. Statistics show that the results made by this type of RNG is statistically independent. Tests also show that they are produce uniformly distributed results. Thus we now have RNGs that can be used day to day.

Today's RNGs are subjected to statistical tests to check if they produce results that are up to standard. That includes a certain percentage of the results should let players win. The percentage of wins varies from state to state (e.g. required 75% to 90% winnings).

In the end it is all a matter of trust knowing that random number generators are subjected to routine testing and that they are certified to comply with standards set by the law.
User avatar #4156 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
GJ copy pasting but that doesn't answer my question, in fact it just supports my argument.
There are still random elements in reality that can not be predicted (the True random RNGs) and therefore you cannot calculate the cause therefore no effect therefore the future is not predetermined.
User avatar #4157 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
Guess that's a matter of opinion. I think radioactive decay isn't random, you think it is. It's not like we can prove it with the current technology.
User avatar #4158 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
The place you copy pasted from says it is random and you have no evidence to prove it isn't random. Are you seriously not believing it just because it proves you wrong? Scientists around the world can't figure it out to the point where they are using the decay or radioactive isotopes for RNGs and you still think they can be predicted?

You have nothing to prove it is predictable except "a matter of opinion" which isn't worth much considering it brings literally nothing to the table, unless you have some sort of evidence to prove it isn't random then you've got nothing.

But hey at least you can fall back on the "it's not like we can prove it with the current technology" yeah sure man just fall back on the maybe we'll find evidence it's not random in the future so let's just pretend that's the case now.

User avatar #4159 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
I used the RNG article solely to prove you wrong on the lottery thing by showing you how RNG works. Scientists can't figure out a bunch of things yet, doesn't mean they don't exist. Higgs Boson was a theory too a few years ago which couldn't be proven, and now it has.

So yes it is a matter of debate because our technology hasn't reached that fat (yet). Just like it's a matter of debate whether god exists, what happened before the big bang etcetera.
User avatar #4160 - sugoi (02/18/2015) [-]
Yes because copy pasting information instead of I don't know paraphrasing and leaving a link to the source is how you get your point across.

As of right now I am correct and you are wrong, until you prove otherwise this will remain the case, this is how the world works. We work with what we got until we got something better to work with, right now it's pretty clear there are random events in the world that are completely unpredictable and until you prove otherwise they will remain completely unpredictable.

I'm not saying that the possibility of them being predictable is zero, simply that arguments are won with proof and evidence and so far you've only provided evidence in my favor showing that there are what people consider True RNGs in existence and these "people" are chumps talking shit on the internet like you and me, these people are scientists who have spent years of their lives studying this kinda thing.

Point being until you can prove otherwise then randomness exists, not all causes can be calculate therefore not all events can be predicted and thus the future is not predetermined.

Don't mistake this for me being smug or refusing to be wrong, I'd gladly admit the future is predetermined if only you'd provide some kinda substantial evidence for it. So far your argument is just "we can't prove it's NOT the X so therefore it must be the X!" You state your first statement #4134 as fact yet that's all you have for evidence and that simply isn't enough.
User avatar #4161 - beatmasterz (02/18/2015) [-]
I wasn't even trying to argue with you because I lack sufficient knowledge about the subject. And yes if this was an official debate you'd be right but it isn't and I'm just saying what I'm thinking. It's more convenient for science to assume true RNG exists because we lack the technology to prove otherwise.
User avatar #4139 - nimba (02/17/2015) [-]
It's mechanistic determinism and it argues that free will is an illusion. But you then have to factor that you may change your behaviour in relation to that and second guess yourself. Now whether that second guessing is also determined mechanistically is speculation. We can't know whether something was destined or not because we don't have access to a universe where the other option was taken.
User avatar #4143 - beatmasterz (02/17/2015) [-]
Guess that's true. And with scientific goggles we probably don't have free will.
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