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#49591 - Sure, but it's not like you can stop it. The only reasonable f…  [+] (18 new replies) 10/22/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #49594 - akkere (10/22/2013) [-]
Another reason for the fear is in the event that the information is used to blackmail individuals to adhere to interests they may otherwise oppose - e.g. What J. Edgar Hoover did and the FBI under Nixon (And I believe Nixon himself).
User avatar #49593 - feelythefeel (10/22/2013) [-]
I don't fear for my safety, mainly because I'm Canadian but also because I'm not that interesting. Yet if I was American and I was being accused of a crime I didn't commit (Or potentially a major crime that should really be a minor crime such as possession of drugs like marijuana), NSA collected evidence could make all of the difference.

Also, "It's not like you can stop it". Isn't that the whole point of the debate? Whether or not to stop the NSA?
User avatar #49608 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
See but that's where you're wrong. The constitution says the American government can't spy on its people, so instead it spies on people in the rest of the world. And the rest of the world spies on america, and then they trade.
User avatar #49609 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
That's the whole argument, that the NSA is unconstitutional since it spies on the American people. There's no denying that, at the very least, it monitors Americans. Also, if the NSA was publicly spying on people of other countries, don't you think that the international community would have reacted due to the recent media coverage that it's gotten?
User avatar #49614 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
There is denying that, since they don't do that. As I've just explained. Also, most western countries agree with NSA's spying and participate in it. Most of their reactions are fake, because BREAKING NEWS politicians lie.
#49622 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
User avatar #49639 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
What
User avatar #49640 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
X Doubt.
User avatar #49641 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
I know, what are you in doubt about?
User avatar #49642 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
That whole part about the bullshit conspiracy.
User avatar #49643 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
I don't remember talking about a conspiracy.
User avatar #49644 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
"Also, most western countries agree with NSA's spying and participate in it. Most of their reactions are fake..."
User avatar #49645 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
How is that a conspiracy?
User avatar #49646 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
conspiracy
kənˈspɪrəsi/Submit
noun
1.
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
"a conspiracy to destroy the government"
synonyms: plot, scheme, stratagem, plan, machination, cabal; More
User avatar #49647 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
It's how you look at it. I'm sure the world leaders didn't secretly convene somewhere to discuss how they're all going to screw over the privacy of the proletarians.
But if you follows the news a bit you keep hearing about "nsa spied on france, nsa spied on un, england spied on germany" etc etc.
User avatar #49648 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
I'm not denying that that happened, I'm denying that those other countries were spied on willingly.
User avatar #49649 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
If you understood dutch I would've shown you a lot of news reports, maybe you can google some for yourself.
User avatar #49650 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
Maybe. Maybe as in "Maybe I'll look up porn of a giantess spider Yotsuba".
#49588 - Does it matter? If you commit a crime you deserve all the evid…  [+] (38 new replies) 10/22/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #49589 - feelythefeel (10/22/2013) [-]
Assuming that's valid, what if you don't? That "evidence" can still potentially be used against you.
User avatar #49651 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
Let me put it this way. Why do you think Snowden wasn't welcome in France, UK, Holland, Germany etc. and only in countries like Russia, Ecuador and China? Why wouldn't west europe support Snowden if the information wasn't damaging for themselves?
User avatar #49652 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
Because those places are the only ones whose governments both
1.) Didn't consider him a criminal.
2.) Were willing to take the risk of admitting him sanctuary.
User avatar #49653 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
How do you know that?
User avatar #49654 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
It's a possible conclusion, considering those countries's backgrounds, both culturally and politically.

How are you sure of your point?
User avatar #49655 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
Because, it's against the law for the government to spy on its own people. That's why they don't do that. They don't want to risk any lawsuits.
So how would they retrieve their information then? They spy on Europe and Europe on its turn spies on America, and then they swap information. Both parties benefit from it, and no laws are broken.
User avatar #49656 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
Aliens don't land on Earth because none of them can afford a permit. Yay ridiculous yet indisputable assertions!
User avatar #49657 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
Why is it ridiculous? It's in the news. Snowden is the most wanted man in America right now, so he obviously leaked information that's very damaging.
User avatar #49658 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
What part of that implies an international ponzi scheme?
User avatar #49659 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
How do you think NSA is able to spy on its people without getting sued?
User avatar #49660 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
Government shit, it wouldn't be the worst thing the government's done.
User avatar #49661 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
Really? Government shit?

By the way I found an article that sums up most of my opinion. It's your call to determine the validity of the telegraph, but I'm sure it has a core of truth in it.

blogs.telegraph. co .uk/news/robertwargas/100242600/the-europeans-are-happy-to-help-the-united-state s-spy-on-everybody-they-just-wont-admit-it/
User avatar #49662 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
Holy shit, that article alone looks biased as fuck. It even borders on racist.
User avatar #49663 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
I admit it's a little biased, but the facts are indesputable. If you want to ignore those and stay in your ivory tower, I can't stop you.
User avatar #49664 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
If questioning a racist article without any sources on a website with questionable legitimacy is "Staying in an ivory tower", hand over the elephant tusk cup of wine, brother.
User avatar #49665 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
I've presented enough evidence and logic and all you have to say for yourself is "that's probably not true". So why are you so convinced they're not all in it?
User avatar #49672 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
I hold no value in faulty and unreliable evidence. I'm convinced because there's no good evidence to believe otherwise, or at least not enough to convince me of such a wide reaching conclusion. Also, what does this have to do with whether or not said surveillance is morally right?
User avatar #49694 - beatmasterz (10/24/2013) [-]
The evidence is not faulty or unreliable, you're just denying. If someone was murdered and the murder weapon was in someone's appartment, you'd still say "faulty evidence, he probably borrowed it from the killer" or something. Learn to accept.
User avatar #49695 - feelythefeel (10/24/2013) [-]
It would be more like if you said that the weapon was a plastic butter-knife, and found in a McDonald's. Even then, I'd be more likely to say that someone spread ketchup with it.
User avatar #49591 - beatmasterz (10/22/2013) [-]
Sure, but it's not like you can stop it. The only reasonable fear we should have of the NSA is when it starts selling its information to private parties. Otherwise I wouldn't give a shit if I were you.
User avatar #49594 - akkere (10/22/2013) [-]
Another reason for the fear is in the event that the information is used to blackmail individuals to adhere to interests they may otherwise oppose - e.g. What J. Edgar Hoover did and the FBI under Nixon (And I believe Nixon himself).
User avatar #49593 - feelythefeel (10/22/2013) [-]
I don't fear for my safety, mainly because I'm Canadian but also because I'm not that interesting. Yet if I was American and I was being accused of a crime I didn't commit (Or potentially a major crime that should really be a minor crime such as possession of drugs like marijuana), NSA collected evidence could make all of the difference.

Also, "It's not like you can stop it". Isn't that the whole point of the debate? Whether or not to stop the NSA?
User avatar #49608 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
See but that's where you're wrong. The constitution says the American government can't spy on its people, so instead it spies on people in the rest of the world. And the rest of the world spies on america, and then they trade.
User avatar #49609 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
That's the whole argument, that the NSA is unconstitutional since it spies on the American people. There's no denying that, at the very least, it monitors Americans. Also, if the NSA was publicly spying on people of other countries, don't you think that the international community would have reacted due to the recent media coverage that it's gotten?
User avatar #49614 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
There is denying that, since they don't do that. As I've just explained. Also, most western countries agree with NSA's spying and participate in it. Most of their reactions are fake, because BREAKING NEWS politicians lie.
#49622 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
User avatar #49639 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
What
User avatar #49640 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
X Doubt.
User avatar #49641 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
I know, what are you in doubt about?
User avatar #49642 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
That whole part about the bullshit conspiracy.
User avatar #49643 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
I don't remember talking about a conspiracy.
User avatar #49644 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
"Also, most western countries agree with NSA's spying and participate in it. Most of their reactions are fake..."
User avatar #49645 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
How is that a conspiracy?
User avatar #49646 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
conspiracy
kənˈspɪrəsi/Submit
noun
1.
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
"a conspiracy to destroy the government"
synonyms: plot, scheme, stratagem, plan, machination, cabal; More
User avatar #49647 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
It's how you look at it. I'm sure the world leaders didn't secretly convene somewhere to discuss how they're all going to screw over the privacy of the proletarians.
But if you follows the news a bit you keep hearing about "nsa spied on france, nsa spied on un, england spied on germany" etc etc.
User avatar #49648 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
I'm not denying that that happened, I'm denying that those other countries were spied on willingly.
User avatar #49649 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
If you understood dutch I would've shown you a lot of news reports, maybe you can google some for yourself.
User avatar #49650 - feelythefeel (10/23/2013) [-]
Maybe. Maybe as in "Maybe I'll look up porn of a giantess spider Yotsuba".
#42 - Jesus christ, people. The advertisers don't want to be put on …  [+] (1 new reply) 10/22/2013 on NSFW! 0
User avatar #151 - cormy (10/22/2013) [-]
We're not talking about porn. At all.
#31 - Oh no, you spoke ill of our father. Prepare to get permabanned. 10/21/2013 on MFW you only get banned for... -1
#89 - 3deep5me 10/20/2013 on Voting in Russia 0
#83 - So if I say: "my friend is a professional kickboxer, gues… 10/14/2013 on Dat Irony -1
#77 - IT'S NOT ******* IRONY, IT'S JUST A COINCIDENCE. … 10/14/2013 on Dat Irony -5
#43 - Yeah, I guess you're right. 10/14/2013 on (untitled) 0
#16 - That's not irony..  [+] (17 new replies) 10/14/2013 on Dat Irony -80
#82 - anonymous (10/14/2013) [-]
It is irony because you expected her to dies from cancer but instead it was a giant crab.
User avatar #83 - beatmasterz (10/14/2013) [-]
So if I say: "my friend is a professional kickboxer, guess how he died? He died in a car accident", it's ironic because it's not what you expected?
User avatar #77 - beatmasterz (10/14/2013) [-]
IT'S NOT FUCKING IRONY, IT'S JUST A COINCIDENCE. WHY IS MY COMMENT STICKIED
User avatar #54 - Leopard (10/14/2013) [-]
Why is it a new trend to sticky shitty comments.
User avatar #55 - hor (10/14/2013) [-]
It's a shaming thing.
User avatar #57 - Leopard (10/14/2013) [-]
Why? Most likely betmasterz is just going to get on FJ, realize this, and just delete his comment.
It just makes the comment section shitty.
User avatar #58 - hor (10/14/2013) [-]
I never said it makes sense.
User avatar #35 - Dwarf (10/14/2013) [-]
I thought that was irony.
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User avatar #32 - oldnigger (10/14/2013) [-]
the zodian sign for cancer is a crab you uneducated swine
#87 - thekeeperofthumbs (10/14/2013) [-]
I'm sorry.
Here, take this as a token of goodwill and apology.
#73 - jesusjellybeans (10/14/2013) [-]
ilovedthatinsult.
#28 - bluedwarf (10/14/2013) [-]
haha but that's is exactly what he meant, dying from cancer while having cancer as your zodiac sign has nothing to do with irony. It's just coincidence.

Fuck it I'll even go paste the definition for irony since so many people have problems with its core concept;


a. The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
b. An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
c. A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect.


i.e. My professor told me this one: an actor on stage playing a role in which he dies of heart attack at the end. Everybody thought his performance was impeccable and the crowd erupted into applause. After he failed to move after five minutes the doctor came and declared him dead.
The cause? Heart attack.
Further on, cause he was acting the heart attack everybody thought it was fake, but on the contrary which is THE irony, it wasnt. So the opposite of something is ironic, not just everything that comes to have the same name.

"My friend is called Rocky he got killed with a rock, what irony." No, it's not.
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User avatar #95 - bluedwarf (10/16/2013) [-]
hah! no
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#41 - fjghqrwe (10/14/2013) [-]
Sarcasm is a form of irony
#41 - No, if you have a planned economy it's communism. Sure the gov…  [+] (2 new replies) 10/14/2013 on (untitled) 0
User avatar #42 - Ruspanic (10/14/2013) [-]
I wouldn't call Holland a planned economy, either.
But anyway, I don't think every planned economy is necessarily leftist. Suppose you have a system in which economic activity is controlled specifically to limit social mobility and to ensure a steady flow of wealth to the ruling class of the monarchy and nobility. The poor have to pay ruinous taxes or work as serfs, and wealth is determined by nobility of blood rather than merit and industriousness. That's a planned economy, because the distribution of wealth and labor is determined by law, not by market forces, and yet I don't think anyone would call that Communism because it has no intention of serving the working class or promoting equality.
User avatar #43 - beatmasterz (10/14/2013) [-]
Yeah, I guess you're right.
#39 - Did I say that?  [+] (4 new replies) 10/13/2013 on (untitled) 0
User avatar #40 - Ruspanic (10/13/2013) [-]
I'm asking what you mean by "capitalist system".
You can have a planned economy which is neither capitalist nor communist, so there's your third option.
User avatar #41 - beatmasterz (10/14/2013) [-]
No, if you have a planned economy it's communism. Sure the govt of Holland decides what the tax money is spent on, but I wouldn't call that a planned economy.
User avatar #42 - Ruspanic (10/14/2013) [-]
I wouldn't call Holland a planned economy, either.
But anyway, I don't think every planned economy is necessarily leftist. Suppose you have a system in which economic activity is controlled specifically to limit social mobility and to ensure a steady flow of wealth to the ruling class of the monarchy and nobility. The poor have to pay ruinous taxes or work as serfs, and wealth is determined by nobility of blood rather than merit and industriousness. That's a planned economy, because the distribution of wealth and labor is determined by law, not by market forces, and yet I don't think anyone would call that Communism because it has no intention of serving the working class or promoting equality.
User avatar #43 - beatmasterz (10/14/2013) [-]
Yeah, I guess you're right.
#37 - Yes, that's communism. Socialism means that communist ideas (a…  [+] (6 new replies) 10/13/2013 on (untitled) 0
User avatar #38 - Ruspanic (10/13/2013) [-]
What do you mean by "capitalist system"? A planned economy is not capitalist.
User avatar #39 - beatmasterz (10/13/2013) [-]
Did I say that?
User avatar #40 - Ruspanic (10/13/2013) [-]
I'm asking what you mean by "capitalist system".
You can have a planned economy which is neither capitalist nor communist, so there's your third option.
User avatar #41 - beatmasterz (10/14/2013) [-]
No, if you have a planned economy it's communism. Sure the govt of Holland decides what the tax money is spent on, but I wouldn't call that a planned economy.
User avatar #42 - Ruspanic (10/14/2013) [-]
I wouldn't call Holland a planned economy, either.
But anyway, I don't think every planned economy is necessarily leftist. Suppose you have a system in which economic activity is controlled specifically to limit social mobility and to ensure a steady flow of wealth to the ruling class of the monarchy and nobility. The poor have to pay ruinous taxes or work as serfs, and wealth is determined by nobility of blood rather than merit and industriousness. That's a planned economy, because the distribution of wealth and labor is determined by law, not by market forces, and yet I don't think anyone would call that Communism because it has no intention of serving the working class or promoting equality.
User avatar #43 - beatmasterz (10/14/2013) [-]
Yeah, I guess you're right.
#35 - Now you're talking about communism.  [+] (8 new replies) 10/12/2013 on (untitled) -1
User avatar #36 - Ruspanic (10/12/2013) [-]
Communism is supposed to be a stateless society without private property, in which means of production are controlled by the people collectively.
User avatar #37 - beatmasterz (10/13/2013) [-]
Yes, that's communism. Socialism means that communist ideas (although heavily watered down) exist in a capitalist system. These ideas are generally that everyone is equal and people that get paid more should contribute more. But the main difference between communism and socialism is that socialism can exist in a capitalist system.
User avatar #38 - Ruspanic (10/13/2013) [-]
What do you mean by "capitalist system"? A planned economy is not capitalist.
User avatar #39 - beatmasterz (10/13/2013) [-]
Did I say that?
User avatar #40 - Ruspanic (10/13/2013) [-]
I'm asking what you mean by "capitalist system".
You can have a planned economy which is neither capitalist nor communist, so there's your third option.
User avatar #41 - beatmasterz (10/14/2013) [-]
No, if you have a planned economy it's communism. Sure the govt of Holland decides what the tax money is spent on, but I wouldn't call that a planned economy.
User avatar #42 - Ruspanic (10/14/2013) [-]
I wouldn't call Holland a planned economy, either.
But anyway, I don't think every planned economy is necessarily leftist. Suppose you have a system in which economic activity is controlled specifically to limit social mobility and to ensure a steady flow of wealth to the ruling class of the monarchy and nobility. The poor have to pay ruinous taxes or work as serfs, and wealth is determined by nobility of blood rather than merit and industriousness. That's a planned economy, because the distribution of wealth and labor is determined by law, not by market forces, and yet I don't think anyone would call that Communism because it has no intention of serving the working class or promoting equality.
User avatar #43 - beatmasterz (10/14/2013) [-]
Yeah, I guess you're right.
#33 - Well, capitalism is an economical system. Socialism is a polit…  [+] (10 new replies) 10/12/2013 on (untitled) 0
User avatar #34 - Ruspanic (10/12/2013) [-]
The Netherlands isn't a socialist state. Socialism is state control of industry, and involves heavily centralized control of the economy. It is very much an economic system.
User avatar #35 - beatmasterz (10/12/2013) [-]
Now you're talking about communism.
User avatar #36 - Ruspanic (10/12/2013) [-]
Communism is supposed to be a stateless society without private property, in which means of production are controlled by the people collectively.
User avatar #37 - beatmasterz (10/13/2013) [-]
Yes, that's communism. Socialism means that communist ideas (although heavily watered down) exist in a capitalist system. These ideas are generally that everyone is equal and people that get paid more should contribute more. But the main difference between communism and socialism is that socialism can exist in a capitalist system.
User avatar #38 - Ruspanic (10/13/2013) [-]
What do you mean by "capitalist system"? A planned economy is not capitalist.
User avatar #39 - beatmasterz (10/13/2013) [-]
Did I say that?
User avatar #40 - Ruspanic (10/13/2013) [-]
I'm asking what you mean by "capitalist system".
You can have a planned economy which is neither capitalist nor communist, so there's your third option.
User avatar #41 - beatmasterz (10/14/2013) [-]
No, if you have a planned economy it's communism. Sure the govt of Holland decides what the tax money is spent on, but I wouldn't call that a planned economy.
User avatar #42 - Ruspanic (10/14/2013) [-]
I wouldn't call Holland a planned economy, either.
But anyway, I don't think every planned economy is necessarily leftist. Suppose you have a system in which economic activity is controlled specifically to limit social mobility and to ensure a steady flow of wealth to the ruling class of the monarchy and nobility. The poor have to pay ruinous taxes or work as serfs, and wealth is determined by nobility of blood rather than merit and industriousness. That's a planned economy, because the distribution of wealth and labor is determined by law, not by market forces, and yet I don't think anyone would call that Communism because it has no intention of serving the working class or promoting equality.
User avatar #43 - beatmasterz (10/14/2013) [-]
Yeah, I guess you're right.
#30 - Socialism counts as capitalism, so does mercantilism.  [+] (12 new replies) 10/12/2013 on (untitled) -1
User avatar #31 - Ruspanic (10/12/2013) [-]
Only if you define "capitalism" as broadly as possible. When I say capitalism, I'm talking about a system in which the distribution of labor and resources is determined primarily by the market. The more this is true, the more capitalist the system is.
User avatar #33 - beatmasterz (10/12/2013) [-]
Well, capitalism is an economical system. Socialism is a political system. They can co-exist. Just look at the Netherlands. It's a capitalist system, most businesses are private, but the government is very left.
User avatar #34 - Ruspanic (10/12/2013) [-]
The Netherlands isn't a socialist state. Socialism is state control of industry, and involves heavily centralized control of the economy. It is very much an economic system.
User avatar #35 - beatmasterz (10/12/2013) [-]
Now you're talking about communism.
User avatar #36 - Ruspanic (10/12/2013) [-]
Communism is supposed to be a stateless society without private property, in which means of production are controlled by the people collectively.
User avatar #37 - beatmasterz (10/13/2013) [-]
Yes, that's communism. Socialism means that communist ideas (although heavily watered down) exist in a capitalist system. These ideas are generally that everyone is equal and people that get paid more should contribute more. But the main difference between communism and socialism is that socialism can exist in a capitalist system.
User avatar #38 - Ruspanic (10/13/2013) [-]
What do you mean by "capitalist system"? A planned economy is not capitalist.
User avatar #39 - beatmasterz (10/13/2013) [-]
Did I say that?
User avatar #40 - Ruspanic (10/13/2013) [-]
I'm asking what you mean by "capitalist system".
You can have a planned economy which is neither capitalist nor communist, so there's your third option.
User avatar #41 - beatmasterz (10/14/2013) [-]
No, if you have a planned economy it's communism. Sure the govt of Holland decides what the tax money is spent on, but I wouldn't call that a planned economy.
User avatar #42 - Ruspanic (10/14/2013) [-]
I wouldn't call Holland a planned economy, either.
But anyway, I don't think every planned economy is necessarily leftist. Suppose you have a system in which economic activity is controlled specifically to limit social mobility and to ensure a steady flow of wealth to the ruling class of the monarchy and nobility. The poor have to pay ruinous taxes or work as serfs, and wealth is determined by nobility of blood rather than merit and industriousness. That's a planned economy, because the distribution of wealth and labor is determined by law, not by market forces, and yet I don't think anyone would call that Communism because it has no intention of serving the working class or promoting equality.
User avatar #43 - beatmasterz (10/14/2013) [-]
Yeah, I guess you're right.
#23 - Is there a third option? Genuine question.  [+] (14 new replies) 10/12/2013 on (untitled) 0
User avatar #27 - Ruspanic (10/12/2013) [-]
Sure. There's socialism. There's social democracy. There's the systems capitalism replaced, like mercantilism.
User avatar #30 - beatmasterz (10/12/2013) [-]
Socialism counts as capitalism, so does mercantilism.
User avatar #31 - Ruspanic (10/12/2013) [-]
Only if you define "capitalism" as broadly as possible. When I say capitalism, I'm talking about a system in which the distribution of labor and resources is determined primarily by the market. The more this is true, the more capitalist the system is.
User avatar #33 - beatmasterz (10/12/2013) [-]
Well, capitalism is an economical system. Socialism is a political system. They can co-exist. Just look at the Netherlands. It's a capitalist system, most businesses are private, but the government is very left.
User avatar #34 - Ruspanic (10/12/2013) [-]
The Netherlands isn't a socialist state. Socialism is state control of industry, and involves heavily centralized control of the economy. It is very much an economic system.
User avatar #35 - beatmasterz (10/12/2013) [-]
Now you're talking about communism.
User avatar #36 - Ruspanic (10/12/2013) [-]
Communism is supposed to be a stateless society without private property, in which means of production are controlled by the people collectively.
User avatar #37 - beatmasterz (10/13/2013) [-]
Yes, that's communism. Socialism means that communist ideas (although heavily watered down) exist in a capitalist system. These ideas are generally that everyone is equal and people that get paid more should contribute more. But the main difference between communism and socialism is that socialism can exist in a capitalist system.
User avatar #38 - Ruspanic (10/13/2013) [-]
What do you mean by "capitalist system"? A planned economy is not capitalist.
User avatar #39 - beatmasterz (10/13/2013) [-]
Did I say that?
User avatar #40 - Ruspanic (10/13/2013) [-]
I'm asking what you mean by "capitalist system".
You can have a planned economy which is neither capitalist nor communist, so there's your third option.
User avatar #41 - beatmasterz (10/14/2013) [-]
No, if you have a planned economy it's communism. Sure the govt of Holland decides what the tax money is spent on, but I wouldn't call that a planned economy.
User avatar #42 - Ruspanic (10/14/2013) [-]
I wouldn't call Holland a planned economy, either.
But anyway, I don't think every planned economy is necessarily leftist. Suppose you have a system in which economic activity is controlled specifically to limit social mobility and to ensure a steady flow of wealth to the ruling class of the monarchy and nobility. The poor have to pay ruinous taxes or work as serfs, and wealth is determined by nobility of blood rather than merit and industriousness. That's a planned economy, because the distribution of wealth and labor is determined by law, not by market forces, and yet I don't think anyone would call that Communism because it has no intention of serving the working class or promoting equality.
User avatar #43 - beatmasterz (10/14/2013) [-]
Yeah, I guess you're right.
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User avatar #14248 - PopcornViking (10/12/2013) [-]
yea i have to jump rope for part of hockey practice
you kinda just get better as you keep doing it
theres not really a trick
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User avatar #157 - pheggit (10/08/2013) [-]
That's exactly why it took me 5 years
#45 - flapz (10/08/2013) [-]
Why would there be a cow if there is no grass?

Skip a step I suppose
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#28 - alexandervascus (10/07/2013) [-]
No, that's because it was translated by someone here. Look at how rough the edges are on sit, its like MS paint pixels
User avatar #22 - arandomanon (10/07/2013) [-]
No but when a dog's being trained, we say (I'm Spanish so I guess it's the same in France) "sit!" too instead of "¡siéntate!" which is the equivalent because it's simpler and the dog understands it better.
#20 - ohmytoast (10/07/2013) [-]
It's the only thing translated (you can see it if you look closely) and yes, it was on the french version of FML
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User avatar #65 - soundofwinter ONLINE (06/24/2014) [-]
**** you
User avatar #64 - revengeforfreeze (02/24/2014) [-]
www.funnyjunk.com/advice/117911#117911

This person can't be right

Is this reality?
User avatar #62 - lolocaustic ONLINE (09/01/2013) [-]
Your avatar suits you, friend.
User avatar #63 to #62 - beatmasterz (09/02/2013) [-]
Thank you.
User avatar #53 - paintbucket (03/18/2013) [-]
www.funnyjunk.com/user/spurieuleweteuh
using 2 accounts is pretty lame.
User avatar #54 to #53 - beatmasterz (03/18/2013) [-]
what are you talking about?
User avatar #55 to #54 - paintbucket (03/18/2013) [-]
it's pretty obvious.
User avatar #56 to #55 - beatmasterz (03/18/2013) [-]
Seriously, I don't know what you're talking about...
User avatar #57 to #56 - paintbucket (03/18/2013) [-]
oh, i think you do.
but whatever.
User avatar #58 to #57 - beatmasterz (03/18/2013) [-]
I don't see how you would bring something like that up to then proceed to stop talking about it but alright.
User avatar #59 to #58 - paintbucket (03/18/2013) [-]
just letting you know that i know.
that's all that needs to be said.
User avatar #60 to #59 - beatmasterz (03/18/2013) [-]
If you're talking about spurieuleweteuh, he's a friend of mine at school who happens to be on this site. No need to get all paranoid when I'm backed up by someone.
User avatar #61 to #60 - paintbucket (03/18/2013) [-]
right right right
User avatar #52 - turkboy (01/28/2013) [-]
oh wait

u are going to have to go to my profile

then where all my items are there should be a button that says trade with turkboy or something

in the trading window,
click "add points"

then type in your amount of points you have

then click next
thentype in the captcha
then click send :D
User avatar #47 - turkboy (01/28/2013) [-]
hey man,

is there any chance i could maybe have ur fj points?

as they serve no purpose except for random items junk?
User avatar #48 to #47 - beatmasterz (01/28/2013) [-]
And why would I give them to you?
#49 to #48 - turkboy (01/28/2013) [-]
because you are an awesome person and i will give you this groovy wallpaper :D
User avatar #50 to #49 - beatmasterz (01/28/2013) [-]
Fine, how do give them?
User avatar #51 to #50 - turkboy (01/28/2013) [-]
i will send for them

all u have to do, is go to the "items interface"

and click "view request"

then type in the captcha, then press "accept trade :D
User avatar #4 - blastizard ONLINE (11/04/2012) [-]
Can I have that discontinued watermelon
User avatar #3 - diamondhead (07/14/2011) [-]
Ok. I'm the first to admit my mistakes.
The font seem fake.
But hes not guilty of those FJ messages.
Those messages are fake.

Anyway,

Regards,

DH
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