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#108 - questionableferret (07/18/2016) [-]
We hit the post cap.
And you measure if the plot is on-point based on how much is going on that is unconnected to it, how many different elements are at play at once, how those elements tie into one-another.
For example: Walt Jr. is objectively bad for the plot. The impact he has on the narrative is to be a vessel into which Walter has placed his immense pride and suppressed self-worth. However, that role could be filled by a car, or a statue, or anything really. It wouldn't have the same impact of it being a child, especially a crippled child, but that impact is lost after perhaps the first or second time you see him.
If anything, Walt Jr. would have been more beneficial to the plot if he had been dead, demonstrating just how broken Walt's hopes, dreams, and self-worth had become, instead of having this meandering dullard complaining about one melodramatic non-problem to the next melodramatic non-problem every time he shows up.
The place he fills in the plot could be cut out of the narrative easily and you would have lost nothing of real value, nothing that couldn't be placed somewhere else, invested into something or someone more relevant and valuable to the plot.
You see this all the time in Game of Thrones. People think it's a bloodbath but what it really is is a series that understands that some characters just end up losing their value after a while, or who are more valuable dead than alive. That sort of ruthless pragmatism is what drives the plot of Game of Thrones. It is how it manages to be so tightly-knit, with so few loose-ends, because the writers understood how to tighten up a plot.
Like I said, it's never as easy as 1+1=2, but there is a clear disparity between the value that Walt. Jr has to the plot of Breaking Bad compared to any character in Game of Thrones.
And I agree, objectively the scores are the same... which doesn't speak of their quality in the slightest, rather it speaks of their critical reception, which let's face it, is often over-inflated/over estimated for the critical darlings, and overly harsh for the critical failures, more-so than they perhaps deserve.
Honestly, to understand how to actually judge these things you need to have an understanding how how to create them yourself. That's not a slight at you by any means, you've no obligation to understand the ins and outs of what it is to make a film, and you shouldn't need to in order to enjoy a work of art. That said, it is very hard for people without that first-hand experience to understand the notion of objective quality within film, and often people just resort to "Art is Subjective" as a means to shut down a debate that they either don't understand, or don't want to have.
#106 - questionableferret (07/18/2016) [-]
"Can you really say that Breaking Bad is on-par with Game of Thrones? Honestly? That it is better than every one of those shows listed?"
I assumed you were answering this question when you said it deserved the hype it gets, because it is rated at the same level as Game of Thrones on IMDB. If you don't want me to make an assumption like that then please address the point in more detail.
And if Breaking Bad scores the same as Game of Thrones but is not as good as Game of Thrones then either it is overhyped, or Game of Thrones is severely underhyped (which does not seem to be the case at all.)
And if you're not gonna debate me on the objective qualities of film then fine. I won't force you into it. I've worked in and around this stuff for most of my life though and I can tell you there is a right and a wrong way to write, direct, shoot, and act. It's never as clean-cut as 1+1=2 but you can work out within a reasonable doubt which show is better made. That has no bearing on which on you like more though, that's up to the viewer to decide.
And y'know, maybe you're right about obviously being an unhelpful word to use, but to be fair you've not really presented to me the sort of conversation that would really be worth having so I dunno if I can trust your word on the matter of how best to find good, balanced debates. I'll take that under advisement in future, but do bear in mind that you've still done basically nothing to justify Breaking Bad as being anything above mediocre in terms of its quality.
#107 - beardgasm (07/18/2016) [-]
You should probably just not make assumptions then. You know what they say about them.
I don't think you understand what objective means. How exactly did you measure whether the plot was on point or not? How did you compare this between GoT and Breaking Bad? Literally the only objective measurement related to a TV show is the amount of positive and negative reviews. And on that point, I would point you to the IMDB scores for Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones. Objectively, Breaking Bad is on par with Game of Thrones.
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