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|#14 - It's funny because it's not her choice in her country. [+] (37 new replies)||06/20/2014 on Hijabing Intensifies.||+212|
#194 - mr skeltal (06/20/2014) [-]
Really?. If she wasn't over 18 when she choose her religion then it wasn't a choice. If she "choose" religion when she was an infant then hijab is not her choice.
#251 - nass (06/20/2014) [-]
But you are right about the Saudis and other gulf states. But please don't put every arab country in the same drawer. The UAE is a pretty modern one.
btw , not even royals need to "hide" themselves in traditional clothing , down below is the Sheikh of Dubai and his wife Princess Haya Bin Al Hussein, who is not even wearing a Hijab ...
#157 - mr skeltal (06/20/2014) [-]
Her country is the U.S.
Not all Muslims are immigrants.
#158 - mr skeltal (06/20/2014) [-]
#156 - mr skeltal (06/20/2014) [-]
It's not her choice in this country as well. She's still forced by her culture..
#124 - mr skeltal (06/20/2014) [-]
"Her country", just happens to be the UK, and it very much IS her choice actually.
#213 - mr skeltal (06/20/2014) [-]
Sure, it's a choice, but she'll probably get beaten or killed if she takes it off. It's like someone holding a gun to your head and giving you the choice of whether they shoot you or not.
#104 - jaked (06/20/2014) [-]
In her country, no it isn't, but a lot of the women that come here wear the hijab completely by their own choice. For example I live in Quebec, Canada and the former provincial leader tried to pass a bill not letting Muslim women in government jobs wear the hijab, but still letting christian people wear crosses. Long story short, a tonne of Muslim not wearing it began wearing it daily as a symbol of protest, which many Muslim men actually disliked.
#112 - reginleif (06/20/2014) [-]
Well it isn't exactly the same thing, one's a head covering and the other is a necklace. There can be reasons why treating one differently than the other is completely valid.
Not reasons I agree with personally (like stupid laws against covering the face, or hat removing as a sign of respect) but shit like voting cards and drivers licenses I agree with.
The necklace don't cover as much.
#121 - jaked (06/20/2014) [-]
Exactly, and religious apparel is constitutionally protected unless it poses a danger of physical injury. The woman who tried to put it into law (Pauline Marois) knew it would get struck down by the supreme court and wanted to make a statement of it. Funnily enough the only person to lose their job due to it was her, because it was ridiculously unpopular (like 25% approval rate of the law).
#111 - jaked (06/20/2014) [-]
If they passed it on to their children indoctrination style then hijab use wouldn't go up in protest to an unconstitutional law because they would already be wearing them. So what I'm saying is that indoctrination still exists of course, but here uptake of the existing culture is higher than what I've seen in the U.S. because at least this is why I think it is, I may be wrong we're more liberal here so it doesn't make people fresh off the boat feel the need to defend their culture as much so they assimilate easier. I'm tired, but I feel like I got the point across, tell me if you want me to clarify what I mean.
#113 - steelcrasher (06/20/2014) [-]
That's really horrible though...Comparing accesory with a dress code ... I mean god damn in a goverment job there is a certain discipline, a standard that has to uphold especially by your own citizens. That's like me saying i would move to canada get a goverment job and then wore my traditional dress to work, that's fucking disrespectful to you and really unprofessional from me.
And on the indoctrination thing, the more you give them, the more will demand. The more of them the, more you will see that indoctrination. Trust me i'm from the balkans and we get a shit loads of muslim immigrants each year.
It's true that i'm not canadian and not even from american continent, so i don't understand you policy.
#119 - jaked (06/20/2014) [-]
It's not the size or visibility of it that's the issue, because kippas/yamakas were banned too and they're not very visible. Also it's a matter of principle, because it's super illegal (like, one of the big parts of our constitution illegal) here to ban someone from a job because of their religion or religious apparel unless it actively poses a physical workplace danger basically hijabs aren't allowed near machinery .
The Balkans are also somewhat more hostile to Muslims as I understand, which is where I think part of the problem is IMO, but then again that's just me and I'm not familiar with your political environment, laws, or culture.
#122 - steelcrasher (06/20/2014) [-]
We call that "bending over"
And depends where... In serbian/croatia sure, in kosovo in bosnia people are hatefull towards christians.
I'm from slovenia though the most liberal country of them. But people are turning against muslims because of their aggresion not the other way around.
#125 - jaked (06/20/2014) [-]
The constitution was in place way before there was a Muslim 'issue', if you can call it that. It was chiefly to provide legal protection against discrimination for immigrants useful, considering we're an immigrant nation , and to protect the Jews cause the rest of the world has a really shitty record with that, and we try not to repeat mistakes if we can help it.
#133 - jaked (06/20/2014) [-]
I dunno, most of the immigrants I've met are alright, some don't work as hard and are more entitled than average, some work harder and give more back, as far as I've seen they're just normal people, some of whom have to deal with a bit of culture shock. I guess the reason that I'm mostly fine with being accepting of other cultures like that is probably cause here our courts absolutely refuse to budge on stuff like Sharia law, hate crimes either against the immigrants or against the existing culture , or Honor killings, which are the only real qualms I have with their culture.
In a court system more lenient on stuff like that, like I hear the UK is to a degree, I can see how that cultural mixing could be a very very bad thing, with the potential of reversing social progress and fucking some people over.
#141 - jaked (06/20/2014) [-]
Again I think that our immigrants are better behaved is because socially we're quite accepting, but legally we're rock solid on the fact that you can't import the toxic aspects of your culture, like honor killings or sharia law, so integration is much easier. They know they can't do certain things, but their culture isn't repressed so we don't get as many social problems and we get good things from their culture, like food.
That is sad, but I think you'll overcome, eventually they'll integrate and there will be growing pains, but ultimately progressive values will become universal. And I do definitely feel we have it easier here, if only because our culture is more experienced with dealing with problems that can come with immigrants, and taking advantage of the benefits they offer.
Anyways I have to go to sleep, I'm starting a new job in the morning, it was nice talking to you, you definitely gave me some food for thought, hope I could do the same for you, night.
#28 - hudis (06/20/2014) [-]
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. When religion is as firmly established as it is in the Middle East, the lines between religious practice and cultural customs begin to blur. Pashtun women in Pakistan, for example, wear hijabs more as a cultural statement than because of a religious dogma. That's more an exception to the rule than a rule in itself, of course, but it's still there and it's worth keeping in mind.
#17 - mr skeltal (06/20/2014) [-]
As much as i hate to say it you make a point that's very hard to argue sir.
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