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That's a horrible decision, but I feel like the man's suffering in unavoidable in situations like this. He will always lose. It is the woman's body, and if she doesn't want to keep it nobody can force her. I guess the best we can do to prevent people falling into this situation is encourage people to talk about their family goals. If you are a man who is against abortion/wants children you need to speak up. And you need to be with a girl who understands/agrees.
If it comes down to an argument about this point, I think the woman 's decision is more important.
Early in our relationship I warned my partner that any pregnancy WILL end in an abortion. I don't want kids. I fear pregnancy, and I fear my ability as a mother. So I won't have his children. He doesn't like the idea of getting my tubes tied, but ultimately he agrees that I have the final word if I want an abortion. He has his own daughter, luckily. So he gets the best of both worlds, but if he was 100% against me having an abortion we would have to break up. we're clear on this as well. if we come across a major difference in opinion, we try to argue our points. but it we can't agree on something that affects our own lives (marriage, kids, lifestyle) we know that it will end the relationship. not because we dont love each other, but because its important to act as one when faced with a tough decision
Wasn't trying to force an essay on you, was just curious as a woman what you think about this. My female professor was profoundly upset towards the paper that i thought was quite objective and non-intrusive to either sex.
I think that's a good point you made.
We ARE biologically and mentally different. There's no skirting around that fact. We're good at different things and like you, I don't think it makes one gender superior to the other.
I was going to give examples of things that men/women tend to be better at. I read once that women are better with emotions, languages, and multitasking, whereas men are better at maths, science, and focusing on a single task. But I wasn't sure so I quickly googled it to make sure I wasn't talking shit. Almost all of the links said shit like "WOAH MEN ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN WOMEN AT EVERYTHING" *tips fedora* or "WOAH WOMEN ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN MEN AT EVERYTHING" *tips mug of male tears and fur from at least 3 cats*
I don't know why your professor was so upset about your paper. That's just fucking life. If she's not enough of an adult to handle the fact that not everything is sunshine and roses for men and women, maybe she's not enough of an adult to be in charge of a class. Biology has made shit unfair for men and women. We can't always be on an equal playing field.
So the idea about petri dishes and sperm donors sounds fantastic.
It would save so much hassle. No worries about child support or abortions. It would make it a little more fair for men and women conceiving children too. Women wouldn't be forced to deal with pregnancy and childbirth (not a fun experience). And men wouldn't have to deal with the implication that they were the 'lesser' parent because they didn't carry the child themselves (my father put more work and love into each individual child than my mother put into all of us combined, so that shit really pisses me off).
Personally I think it's a great idea. I'm terrified of pregnancy, and I don't even want kids, but I'd love the knowledge that I could use a petri dish and sperm donor if I changed my mind one day. Your professor sounds like a silly shit who didn't fully understand what you were trying to say.
"Your professor sounds like a silly shit who didn't fully understand what you were trying to say." Yeah perhaps, although im sure i couldve worded it better fit for my audience instead of being as blunt as I was. Good to know that someone doesn't think i'm crazy tho.
I got the idea after reading some Marx and Engels. I'm not a communist of any sort, but they still make some good points about fairness.
I wrote a paper for my philosophy class in uni last year. I made an argument that once scientifically practical, men should be guaranteed by the state access to a child to be grown, whether in a petri dish, or though a surrogate host by donors, while women should be guaranteed access to sperm, once again whether by scientific production or donor. The logic being that, men and women have access to different abilities that are not measurable as they are in different dimensions of property.
You can compare a mans ability to do physical labor for a mining company to an example woman's ability to do their administrative work in a business; simply compare earnings. But you cant compare a womans ability to have a child with a man's ability to produce sperm. Both are in diverging incomparable markets.)
In the end the paper was really trying to say that it is impractical to think of men and women as equal, as they DO have undeniable diverging characteristics, but that it is also illogical that the diverging statistics made either objectively superior, because of those incomparable characteristics. Sorry for the essay.
The baby inside of her belongs to both parents and is made from the man's DNA, so it's not really the woman's body at that point. The decision to keep or abort the baby should not be unilateral. While hearsay makes things very complicated in court, I wonder if there could be some kind of notory you could go to where you both sign a document agreeing that any baby conceived within a certain period of time would not be aborted.
You've come up with an important point: "Who deserves control of this body?"
I think it's wrong to sacrifice the quality of the mother's life without her assent. All lives are important, so it's a hard decision to make between the mother and child. But I personally side with the mother.
I think it's wrong to force somebody to suffer for nine months, risking their mental health, emotional health, and physical health for a child they never wanted in the first place. Even after pregnancy (even if she never has to see the child again) she will deal with the long-term effects of pregnancy too. Her work will be affected, her body will be affected, and because of all the resentment her mental health will be affected too.
She is the one who is making the sacrifice - not the father, and not the child. It is unfair for others to make that decision for her, knowing that they don't have to risk their own lives.
I know you're going to mention the fact that the child will die just so the mother can live a better life. I'm very conscious of that, and I
believe that the mother deserves to make the final decision. The mother is fully aware of what it going on, but the baby is only a cluster of cells at this point. They aren't a person yet. They won't suffer for the decision because they never 'lived' in the first place. Which sounds cruel, but it's true.
The people who
suffer during abortions are the people who didn't want the abortion to happen in the first place. In this case, I'm talking about the father. I don't know what to do to make the father's life easier. I think it's a horrible situation for a man to deal with, and I've seen the effects it can have on a person's health knowing that they never got to meet their child. That's why I said that the best thing we can do it avoid the situation completely.
Talk about your goals, talk about your stance on abortion, and talk about kids. It's important to do this stuff if you are in a relationship, because it could determine how your life turns out in the long run. That's why I've already spoken to my partner about it. I wanted to make sure that he wouldn't be hurt if I had an abortion. I don't want to make him suffer, but I need to look out for myself first. I may not be with him forever, but I have to live with myself until I die. I expect him to treat me the same way.
If you aren't in a relationship and you run into an accidental pregnancy, I'm fucking sorry. That fucking sucks. My only advice for the father is to talk to someone about your situation and look after yourself first. You are the most important person in your life and you need to keep him happy and healthy. regardless of the shit going on around you.
"I think it's wrong to force somebody to suffer for nine months, risking their mental health, emotional health, and physical health for a child they never wanted in the first place. Even after pregnancy (even if she never has to see the child again) she will deal with the long-term effects of pregnancy too. Her work will be affected, her body will be affected, and because of all the resentment her mental health will be affected too. "
I think the auksiniskardas 's point is that it should be a two way street, and from what I gather you don't want it to be.
Currently it's a lose-lose:
Man wants Baby -> Woman Doesn't -> Baby Dead -> Woman has no suffering, Man suffer loss of child and relationship issues
Woman wants Baby -> Man doesn't -> Baby Alive -> Man (Child Support) AND Child (Relationship Issue; No Father figure) suffer
"She is the one who is making the sacrifice - not the father, and not the child. It is unfair for others to make that decision for her, knowing that they don't have to risk their own lives."
You say sacrifice as if this horrible thing was thrown upon her without her own decision-making, like she just appealed to someone. There's nothing that will give you a 100% chance of not having a kid, so knowing that, she and her mate still decided to have sex, I'm assuming the person hasn't been raped.
"I know you're going to mention the fact that the child will die just so the mother can live a better life. I'm very conscious of that, and I still believe that the mother deserves to make the final decision. The mother is fully aware of what it going on, but the baby is only a cluster of cells at this point. They aren't a person yet. They won't suffer for the decision because they never 'lived' in the first place. Which sounds cruel, but it's true."
I don't think our boy is against abortion, he disagrees just on the fact that it is only the woman's decision. I can see how one might automatically think that because it's her body, she can do whatever she wants with it but technically, that fetus is also the dudes property, why doesn't he have a say where couch gets placed?
"The people who really suffer during abortions are the people who didn't want the abortion to happen in the first place. In this case, I'm talking about the father. I don't know what to do to make the father's life easier. I think it's a horrible situation for a man to deal with, and I've seen the effects it can have on a person's health knowing that they never got to meet their child. That's why I said that the best thing we can do it avoid the situation completely. "
I agree with what you said, it's good to talk about it with your partner, and put your convictions on the table, it's a sign of lack of communication between partners that we have to deal with these abortions and pregnancies and who's more important than who.
What you you men by "I don't want it to be a two way street"? I understand that it's a horrible situation for everyone involved. I know that men don't get given the same rights as women when it comes to childbirth, but it is not ME that's being unfair here. It's biology that's unfair.
Men can't give birth. They don't have to give birth. That's what women are for. But not every woman in the world wants to have children. You can't expect a woman to give birth to your child just because you got her pregnant. She has the right to say 'no, I don't want to do this'. It's unfair to expect women to give birth. And it's unfair to expect men to sit around happily when the women say no. The whole situation is unfair right from the start and there's nothing we can do to make it fair on everyone.
I'm saying it's a sacrifice because when you have a child you are giving up A LOT. I'm saying that the mother shouldn't be pressured into keeping a child she doesn't want, because the people pressuring her are not the ones sacrificing their lives. Regardless of how she got pregnant (unprotected sex/condom failure/etc...) I think my point about 'sacrifice' still stands. I'm not saying she's being literally forced into having this kid, but I'm saying that she should reserve the right to refuse, because if she says 'yes' she is giving up a large portion of her life.
There is the question of responsibility. If you have protected sex with someone and you get pregnant I think the mother automatically has the right to override the father's desire to keep the child. That was the whole point of condoms in the first place. If you have unprotected sex, you should be aware of the consequences. It's her own stupid fault for getting pregnant with unprotected sex, but it is also his own fault for not discussing his ideas about abortion prior to having unprotected sex. That is why I was talking about discussion at the end of my comment. If it's just a hookup, you need to bring your own protection, and you can't expect her to keep the kid.
Another user mentioned an idea he had about growing babies petri-dish style if the mother doesn't want the child but the father does. I think that's a fantastic idea, and I'd like to see it happen.
But for now, the only real option we have is to either get an abortion or convince the mother to keep the child. Because she's the one who is going to go through the pregnancy.
Well, I guess that will sound a bit harsh and materialistic, but we are forgetting child support part. Maybe in rich countries that's not a big deal, but here in Lithuania, where average salary in province varies from 500 to 600eur and average child support price is 200eur it's a big problem.
Yes, I agree that unwanted pregnancy has serious negative effects to the mother and women should not be forced to give birth against their will. That's unfair and might be hurtful to the father, but in this kind of situation there is no good ending.
On the other hand, if woman decides to keep a child, her decision will have a huge negative impact on fathers financial well-being and life quality for the next EIGHTEEN years (or even 24 in some cases) .
So if it is wrong to force women to give birth to unwanted child because that would have temporary negative effects on her mental, physical in financial state, why is it ok to make men live in worse conditions for two decades because of the child they didn't want?
True, the only thing is we look at this very objectively, in the sense that, while they both have sex, and they both take the risk when having sex, during pregnancy only the woman is pregnant, only she deals with the pregnancy on a biological level (obviously men deal with pregnancy as well). What I'm trying to say is that nature has made things unfair, because there is no way for the man to say 'Okay you don't want to be pregnant but I want the baby, and it's fine if you hold no financial responsibility for this child I'll just take it from you and carry it to term myself.
Just saying debating this question would be much easier if this was the case
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