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#9 - Hightower (11/13/2012) [-]
No, no you didn't, And just a few seconds worth of actual research would show you that about 90% of the current debt problem is a direct result of Bush tax cuts, and two wars.
But why let something like facts get in the way of a good partisan political post.
Here's the truth, brought to you by math...
#299 - natedizzie (11/14/2012) [-]
Well if you did a little research you would know all of our economic problems came before Bush. It was Clinton took all regulations off of wall street. And then if you go before that you can see how nixon almost destroyed the dollar with his economic planning.
#488 - anonymous poster (11/14/2012) [-]
Liberal's aren't biased, we just use our brains...
inb4 red thumbs from redneck fags
#489 - fyaq (11/14/2012) [-]
you are too stupid to insult
heres a list why
1.) coward went anon to disagree with me
2.) you dont know what the word "biased" means
3.) generic liberal stuckup thinks hes better than conservative
4.) say you use your brain, in the most retarded comment ive seen all day.
you just set the land speed record from stupid to retarded in 10 seconds flat.
#455 - anonymous poster (11/14/2012) [-]
Perhaps the rest of the United States has a differing opinion, but I simply don't enjoy being forced into doing business with the government. I don't want to endorse the war on drugs, the killing of people I don't want dead, the salaries of those who don't work, and the "representatives" that claim the need to force me to help them. I am currently forced to pay tribute to local, state, and federal governments and threatened with imprisonment if I don't comply. If a single person performed such actions, they would be a violent psychopath. If a group performed such actions, they would be a criminal syndicate. If the government performs such actions, they are my protectors and deserve my utmost respect. I can't speak for other countries, but the United States could use a less forced system of employment.
#397 - anonymous poster (11/14/2012) [-]
Because here in America our tax dollars don't go to things we need.
They go to funding wars nobody wants to take part in.
#148 - crazedace (11/13/2012) [-]
I dont think people realize what 9/11 did to our economy. It trashed it. But were we just let al qaeda get away with killing our country and countrymen? Lets say you said yes.
Did you know we prevented a dozen more attacks that would have happened on US soil since we captured and interrogated Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? (the man who planned 9/11).
Were the Bush Military spendings necessary?
Yes, if it prevented a dozen more 9/11 attacks, it was definately necessary
Where Bush AND Obama messed up on, was we shoud have pulled out a LONG time ago... this is how it is also Obama's fault. We are still in countries where we shouldn't be. And Obama is trying to put us in other countries we have no business being in (Libya and Iraq).
No dont blame Bush for everything, Because Obama has done his fair share of spending with our budget (Obamacare). So i blame the past 2 presidents.... not just one party.
#141 - hawaiianhappysauce (11/13/2012) [-]
Both parties are at fault here. Republicans take the oath to not raise taxes, which is stupid because they always promise to lower taxes. If you keep lowering taxes and never raise them, you will eventually pass the optimal tax rate and start losing revenues. They also are far behind on social issues. Democrats on the other hand think the solution to everything is more regulation, taxes, fees, and restrictions. For example Mayor Bloomberg made restrictions on soda size, no extra large, for the sake of making people eat healthier. It's only going to make people buy 2 large sodas therefore making this law a waste of time and money.
#186 - herpdamin (11/13/2012) [-]
This quite a common problem in countries with a two-party system. Both big parties are afraid of shifting their policies and tent to just repeat broken models, voters tossing back and forth on the right wing and the left wing party, election to election.
Multiparty could do some good, eventhough it's not a perfect system either
#106 - goldenglimmer (11/13/2012) [-]
The following is a 1000-word report on why Hightower is mistaken. If you do not wish to read it, promptly skip and be on with your life. If you on the other hand wish to enlighten yourself with real information, not just political bias and convenient numbers, feel free to read on.
#107 - goldenglimmer (11/13/2012) [-]
Actually yes, yes he did. And here's why:
That wonderful educational video you showed us only counts for actual deficit. That means the only aspect it includes is the numbers from the deficit itself. To properly evaluate the quality of an economy, there are a multitude of critical aspects you must count for, aspects your video conveniently left out.
One thing that isn't mentioned is economic growth. Under Bush (you're going to hate this) it averaged at over 3 %, whilst under Obama it has averaged at under 2 % (it hasn't been this bad since the depression). Based on the utterly biased video you showed (I'll get back to that later), I'm guessing you don't know what economic growth is. I'll keep it simple: basically, large economic growth is an indication of a vibrant, fluid economy, and the greater the growth the greater the tax revenue produced. That means lower taxes will still produce higher numbers (increasingly if the economy continues to grow), and you won't need to compensate with higher taxes. This completely changes the projection you just gave.
The CBO are good for one thing: short term predictions of anything but the economy. Look at their history, I dare you. If they were a person, it wouldn't look good on a resume, but I digress. They use what's called static modelling which is basically like taking a snapshot of the current situation and predicting a development based on that exact situation, as if it were to remain unaltered. This is good for things like social security, or demographics, but completely useless for economic projection (which is why your source is, mildly put, a silly and fallacious one).
#245 - anonymous poster (11/13/2012) [-]
Yeah you make a good point, obviously if we take in less revenue our economy will grow and we will begin to lower the deficit. That has obviously been working for the last few years. KILL YOURSELF.
#108 - goldenglimmer (11/13/2012) [-]
Now, let's take a look at why the actual situation we're in is so completely different from the CBO projection. Well, aside from the fact that use static modelling (and not dynamic modelling), the time they made the projection could not have been worse. This surplus projection came right after the enormous economic boom following the expansion and incorporation of the internet. This event is called the .com explosion, which caused a huge, but artificial growth in the economy, totally disrupting realistic projections. In addition to that, it also followed the Y2K. The Y2K is basically an event that occurred when a vast amount of companies invested large sums of money in computer development (again, due to the recent internet-boom). This was of course completely temporary growth and did not describe a realistic scenario, but also disrupted the accuracy of the CBO predictions. It's funny, because most economists recognized this. Nobody takes the CBO seriously (there hasn't been a surplus since the 1960's), yet your video gives the impression that the failure to achieve this surplus is due to the Bush kim jongistration (which is hardly true, but not completely untrue ether).
In late 2000, the .com implosion had just started, so basically, economic growth started falling the moment the CBO prediction came out. Then in 2001 we had 9/11, which was followed by Bush's tax cuts. By the way, very few economists argue that these tax cuts were a bad choice. After the World Trade Center was destroyed, something had to be done to stimulate the economy, and any president would have done that. They're still trying to get rid of Bush's tax cuts, and that's not because they were bad per say, but necessary. Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass and read objective analyses, you'd know that, but you obviously prefer to wank off to your own philosophies without factual orientation.
#110 - goldenglimmer (11/13/2012) [-]
In addition, Bush never followed a true conservative economic plan. His whole campaign based itself on compassionate conservatism, which among other things strengthened medicare and state oriented services. Anyone who claims he was a conservative fiscally speaking is a moron, or uneducated, or a self-righteous liberal (your friends at American Progress are 1 or more of those things, basically all of them). He may have been a philosophical conservative, but he was a fan of government spending.
When I clicked your link and saw the CBO based statistics, I knew right away "oh boy, here we go". The CBO largely focus on college students and campus campaigning, I wonder why (could it be because only college students are stupid enough to fall for shit like Occupy Wallstreet?). It doesn't matter, but that right there should tell you right away that they're no good, that and the fact that nobody educated in economics would ever base their opinions on their numbers. I should know, my whole family including myself are business and economy oriented.
Also, the video orients itself around deficit, but forgets to mention that Obama doubled the deficit in his first three years. Did you forget that already? It's amazing how quickly people forget.
Now, why is the deficit increasing? That's due to economic policy, so you're right there. But it's not just Bush's fault (and he was presented with many challenges), but Obama's policies has made it many times worse, everything ranging from Obamacare to the stimulus packages.
American Progress, the creators of your delightful video, is a state funded organization located in Wasington D.C. Its president is none other than Neera Tanden, who worked for not only the Clinton kim jongistration, but also the Obama kim jongistration, not to mention the Hilary Clinton Campaigning. The organization is a cesspool of leftist ideology, and totally unequivocally biased. Its views are so slanted it's disgusting.
#111 - goldenglimmer (11/13/2012) [-]
Lastly, based on the series of comments you've posted and some personal research done by yours truly, I've deduced that you're a liberal, and an uneducated one at that. Based on the vehemence of your arguments and the blatant display of arrogance, I'm guessing you're compensating for the fact that you actually don't have a clue of what you're talking about.
All this anger directed at the "republicans", which is a large group of extremely diverse people with greatly varying philosophies, is tragically misplaced.
I don't mean to seem condescending, but as a person under me not so eloquently stated, you are one of the reasons the US is collapsing. Not because you're unintelligent (I think you're probably quite a bright chap), but because you refuse to tear yourself away from the delusional bubble provided by your lefty philosophies. Please don't take this the wrong way.
Anyway, that was about 45 minutes of my time. I haven't included links, but if anyone requires sources I'll be more than happy to provide them. :)
P.S: There will be no TL;DR, because that isn't possible in this situation, sorry guys. "TL;DR: He's wrong" is a bit silly.
#176 - goldenglimmer (11/13/2012) [-]
Tell me, if you don't care to read (and who knows, perhaps even learn something, that would new for you) something I produce, then what makes you think I would care to be informed of this fact? Silly paradoxflow.
#153 - hawaiianhappysauce (11/13/2012) [-]
The video also fails to show that the slope is much steeper during the Obama kim jongistration. But lets cut the bullshit here, the real problem here is that government in general is inefficient no matter what party has control. This is why I vote libertarian.
#159 - goldenglimmer (11/13/2012) [-]
I consider myself to be a conservative libertarian, so huzzah, brother.
But unfortunately, voting based solely on philosophical orientation won't necessarily pull us out of the ditch (even though the individuals our philosophy produces are often more than capable of doing exactly that, but nobody represented us). This year, the economy was the most important, because preserving America and its interests should be a top priority for any libertarian, seeing as this philosophy was developed and lived out mainly in the US. Colonial America my friend, that's where the real men were (i.e. the founding fathers); the OPs of libertarian virtue.
I find that Republicans more often than Democrats represent the values I love and agree with, while simultaneously supporting the ideas that will further develop America not only economically, but morally. You just got to find the right Republicans.
Also, Hayekian Economics, but that's a discussion for another day.
#557 - hawaiianhappysauce (11/14/2012) [-]
We had Ron Paul, but he didn't win the primary. The problem about libertarians is that they hold unpopular opinions from both parties. They want to make cuts in many departments, for example the dept. of education. But lets face it, the department of education is a complete failure and the reason why colleges raise their price is because they realize students get these government aids, so basically colleges see that kids get loans from a bottomless pit with no consequences for debt. A few years ago people were given loans from banks and that was working fine. Now the cost of a bachelors degree is increasing at least 3x the rate of inflation, and the value of the bachelors degree is decreasing. For example, if you want to be a physical therapist you need a PHD. These cuts are unpopular to democrats, but on the other hand libertarians are pro choice and support same sex marriage, very unpopular positions for republicans. I live in massachusetts and what really frustrates me is the idea that people here vote democratic without looking at the record. Two easy examples are Richard Tisei vs. John Tierney. John Tierney was involved with a gambling conspiracy, whereas Richard Tisei was a gay republican who didn't take the tax vow. Someone like him would have support for social issues and budget cuts, but because the democratic machine is too strong here, Johnny 'Pockets' Tierney won. Another was Scott Brown Vs. Warren. Scott Brown was very Bipartisan, but he still lost to Warren who is as liberal as they get.
This is why I support having an easy test to pass before voting. There should be 10 easy questions: Yes or no questions, no tricks, nothing. SImple questions like "is it true that *candidate* supports *subject*?" If you get 80% you can vote. If not you have to take the test a week later and try again. This prevents idiots who are brainwashed from voting.
#19 - BerryLicious (11/13/2012) [-]
Same thing happened over the pond. Blair fucked up majorly, everyone expected Brown to be able to fix it like magic, and when he couldn't because of the immense pile of wank left in Blair's wake, everyone started hating on him.
Cameron's just a twat though, and Clegg is a sellout.
#37 - ReeferTrees (11/13/2012) [-]
How mature. Just keep on pretending to know what you are doing, i'm sure Obama will answer all your prayers.
The United States have been dead for a number of years now, but I just would like you to know, it's people like you that caused it, and it's people like you who are making it worse.
The worst part is you're just beating a dead horse.
#41 - Hightower (11/13/2012) [-]
Oh how I love to talk to people who have no idea what the hell they are talking about.
First, I don't pray. I prefer to do something actually useful.
Second, spoken like a true nutcase. You have no idea what you're talking about, but that show you saw about the conspiracies in the US government stuck in your head, and now you feel it necessary to spew it forth like it's your own original though in the matter.
Third, like all nutjobs, you failed to even understand the conversation before you decided to try and add your two cents worth. Obama didn't cause the current debt crisis, and if you had actually bothered to learn something about the subject on your own, you would know that his policies, bailouts, and tax break extensions only account for about 10% of the current crisis. The rest is a direct result of the 8 years The US endured under Bush.
As I said before, go away Junior, the adults are talking.
#43 - ReeferTrees (11/13/2012) [-]
You have failed basic reading I see.
How does making it worse HELP?
He only made it 10% worse, that makes him so awesome.
And not once did I mention anything about "Conspiracies" Just because Obama is a horrible president and i'm not afraid to say so doesn't mean I believe he's with the illuminati or some other bullshit.
You are an idiot who just likes to argue. You have no real reason to talk other than that.
#77 - anonymous poster (11/13/2012) [-]
How did this comment get thumbed down... for any reason??
#470 - anonymous poster (11/14/2012) [-]
They can't handle the truth
#55 - Hightower (11/13/2012) [-]
Typical. I ask for a well formed opinion based on facts, and you act like a 10 tear old. I think I'll stick to my original comment and ask that you go away. You have nothing of any value to add, and have so far not made a damned bit of sense. If you would like to continue this discussion, try starting your next comment with a well formed thought, that is your own, and based on, or backed up by facts. "Hurr Obama is bad president" does not qualify.
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