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#55409 - You probably live in a tiny little town with no more than 50 0…  [+] (8 new replies) 01/12/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #55413 - pebar (01/13/2014) [-]
I live in the largest city in the state.
There is a whopping 100,000 people here; 200,000 in the metropolitan area
(I don't see how that's relevant though)
User avatar #55434 - arisaka (01/13/2014) [-]
You live in North Dakota, right?
User avatar #55435 - pebar (01/13/2014) [-]
yes; in Fargo
User avatar #55436 - arisaka (01/13/2014) [-]
Neat!

My point was that Occupy is something you had to experience. It was more prevalent in the larger cities (more people to participate).

We had workshops, teachers giving lessons, people cooking, caring for each other, etc. It was a wonderful experience for me and the portrayal it got in the media did not represent it well in the slightest bit.
User avatar #55437 - pebar (01/13/2014) [-]
I didn't pay attention to politics until the end of 2012, so all I have is the news.
User avatar #55442 - arisaka (01/13/2014) [-]
It's a very distorted perception of what was really going on there. I talked to all sorts of people; moderates, who were looking to learn, to experience, people who just interested in what was happening, and of course frustrated workers as well.

There were people of all ages; I hung out with 70 year old people as often as I did with people my own age.

People wearing Crass t-shirts were cooking up vegan food as people played music and lectures were given. The workshops were interesting but I didn't go to many. I remember an art collective showed up and encouraged people to paint their hands and stick it on the canvas. A band even showed up at one point. It was neat, totally non-violent. People picked up after themselves.

The people saying that the occupiers didn't know what they wanted were morons. Sure, it got a little watered down and there were some bandwaggoners. But a lot of different people were there for different reasons (I wasn't there for the same reasons as someone who was there for employment issues). But the movement was designed to bring attention to certain issues, and I think it was successful at that. Here in Montreal they kind of got outshined by the student movement, but the two kind of coincided with eachother and eventually all the occupiers were wearing un carré rouge, the symbol of the student movement.
User avatar #55456 - lulzforhiroshima (01/13/2014) [-]
You live in fucking Montreal? Why did you even have the occupied movement?

Also the occupy movement could have been better if the people weren't so stupid and dis-organized, maybe what they are saying is 100% right. But its really a bunch of hippies and stupid people as the majority. Sadly, i can't see change occuring unless a violent revolution occured.
User avatar #55473 - arisaka (01/14/2014) [-]
There was a calling for people everywhere to have their own occupy manifestations with a broader, straight-forward anticapitalist attitude. Les Habitants have a history of protest and struggle. We know what it's like. The student movement, like I said, was in full force. There was some serious shit going down.

Try to look at the bigger picture and realize history is not a set of "isolated" events. The two movements were not parallel.
The goal of the movement was to raise awareness and to say "we're upset".

Individuals within the milliue can say WHATEVER THEY WANT. Moderates can call for reform. Radicals can call for revolution. Bourgeois can call for cake.

It doesn't matter. The movement was an awareness campaign. It was opposed to advanced capitalism and the institutions that exist NOW. Go around the city - you'll find tons of graffiti that are reminiscent of may 1968 in France. It is the modern capitalist machine they are protesting against, not the lassiez-faire stuff your grand-pappy was used to. Montreal is the archetype city for THAT kind of movement.
#55403 - The media shat ALL over occupy where I'm from. It's incredible…  [+] (11 new replies) 01/12/2014 on Politics - politics news,... +1
User avatar #55408 - pebar (01/12/2014) [-]
Occupy Wall Street & Capitalism: A Professor's Response
How Cronyism is Hurting the Economy
Andrew Klavan: Wall Street On Trial Le Occupy Movement
User avatar #55410 - arisaka (01/12/2014) [-]
With "towny" values

GET OUT OF HERE, TOWNIE I BET YOU DON'T EVEN RECYCLE
User avatar #55409 - arisaka (01/12/2014) [-]
You probably live in a tiny little town with no more than 50 000 people in it
User avatar #55413 - pebar (01/13/2014) [-]
I live in the largest city in the state.
There is a whopping 100,000 people here; 200,000 in the metropolitan area
(I don't see how that's relevant though)
User avatar #55434 - arisaka (01/13/2014) [-]
You live in North Dakota, right?
User avatar #55435 - pebar (01/13/2014) [-]
yes; in Fargo
User avatar #55436 - arisaka (01/13/2014) [-]
Neat!

My point was that Occupy is something you had to experience. It was more prevalent in the larger cities (more people to participate).

We had workshops, teachers giving lessons, people cooking, caring for each other, etc. It was a wonderful experience for me and the portrayal it got in the media did not represent it well in the slightest bit.
User avatar #55437 - pebar (01/13/2014) [-]
I didn't pay attention to politics until the end of 2012, so all I have is the news.
User avatar #55442 - arisaka (01/13/2014) [-]
It's a very distorted perception of what was really going on there. I talked to all sorts of people; moderates, who were looking to learn, to experience, people who just interested in what was happening, and of course frustrated workers as well.

There were people of all ages; I hung out with 70 year old people as often as I did with people my own age.

People wearing Crass t-shirts were cooking up vegan food as people played music and lectures were given. The workshops were interesting but I didn't go to many. I remember an art collective showed up and encouraged people to paint their hands and stick it on the canvas. A band even showed up at one point. It was neat, totally non-violent. People picked up after themselves.

The people saying that the occupiers didn't know what they wanted were morons. Sure, it got a little watered down and there were some bandwaggoners. But a lot of different people were there for different reasons (I wasn't there for the same reasons as someone who was there for employment issues). But the movement was designed to bring attention to certain issues, and I think it was successful at that. Here in Montreal they kind of got outshined by the student movement, but the two kind of coincided with eachother and eventually all the occupiers were wearing un carré rouge, the symbol of the student movement.
User avatar #55456 - lulzforhiroshima (01/13/2014) [-]
You live in fucking Montreal? Why did you even have the occupied movement?

Also the occupy movement could have been better if the people weren't so stupid and dis-organized, maybe what they are saying is 100% right. But its really a bunch of hippies and stupid people as the majority. Sadly, i can't see change occuring unless a violent revolution occured.
User avatar #55473 - arisaka (01/14/2014) [-]
There was a calling for people everywhere to have their own occupy manifestations with a broader, straight-forward anticapitalist attitude. Les Habitants have a history of protest and struggle. We know what it's like. The student movement, like I said, was in full force. There was some serious shit going down.

Try to look at the bigger picture and realize history is not a set of "isolated" events. The two movements were not parallel.
The goal of the movement was to raise awareness and to say "we're upset".

Individuals within the milliue can say WHATEVER THEY WANT. Moderates can call for reform. Radicals can call for revolution. Bourgeois can call for cake.

It doesn't matter. The movement was an awareness campaign. It was opposed to advanced capitalism and the institutions that exist NOW. Go around the city - you'll find tons of graffiti that are reminiscent of may 1968 in France. It is the modern capitalist machine they are protesting against, not the lassiez-faire stuff your grand-pappy was used to. Montreal is the archetype city for THAT kind of movement.
#55335 - anyways to answer your initial question, it's because I think …  [+] (1 new reply) 01/11/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #55337 - feelythefeel (01/11/2014) [-]
Okay, thanks.
#55332 - I do, but that is only because I can contextualize with the sp…  [+] (3 new replies) 01/11/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #55333 - feelythefeel (01/11/2014) [-]
Yeah, I can see that.
User avatar #55335 - arisaka (01/11/2014) [-]
anyways to answer your initial question, it's because I think our institutions work better in our favour, there's more money invested in social services, etc

we invest more in human capital and we see a greater return in it
User avatar #55337 - feelythefeel (01/11/2014) [-]
Okay, thanks.
#55330 - We don't have "free market socialism" are y…  [+] (5 new replies) 01/11/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #55331 - feelythefeel (01/11/2014) [-]
You know what I mean.
User avatar #55332 - arisaka (01/11/2014) [-]
I do, but that is only because I can contextualize with the specific sub-culture that you likely are agglomerated with. However, that doesn't make it any less "wrong".
User avatar #55333 - feelythefeel (01/11/2014) [-]
Yeah, I can see that.
User avatar #55335 - arisaka (01/11/2014) [-]
anyways to answer your initial question, it's because I think our institutions work better in our favour, there's more money invested in social services, etc

we invest more in human capital and we see a greater return in it
User avatar #55337 - feelythefeel (01/11/2014) [-]
Okay, thanks.
#55243 - lol omfg socialism = abolition of private property, s…  [+] (7 new replies) 01/08/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #55247 - feelythefeel (01/09/2014) [-]
What I mean by "Canadian style socialism" is more the specific variant of free market socialism that Canada uses, not full blown socialism.
User avatar #55330 - arisaka (01/11/2014) [-]
We don't have "free market socialism"

are you listening to what you're saying? If you listen closely, you can hear pretty much the entire canadian population wheezing because they're laughing so hard.

A mixed economy is not even relatively close to socialism. Please stop saying that, on behalf of the citizens of Canada. I mean, we have a conservative government right now, for gods sake
User avatar #55331 - feelythefeel (01/11/2014) [-]
You know what I mean.
User avatar #55332 - arisaka (01/11/2014) [-]
I do, but that is only because I can contextualize with the specific sub-culture that you likely are agglomerated with. However, that doesn't make it any less "wrong".
User avatar #55333 - feelythefeel (01/11/2014) [-]
Yeah, I can see that.
User avatar #55335 - arisaka (01/11/2014) [-]
anyways to answer your initial question, it's because I think our institutions work better in our favour, there's more money invested in social services, etc

we invest more in human capital and we see a greater return in it
User avatar #55337 - feelythefeel (01/11/2014) [-]
Okay, thanks.
#55167 - "Canadian style socialism" yr jok…  [+] (9 new replies) 01/08/2014 on Politics - politics news,... +1
User avatar #55169 - feelythefeel (01/08/2014) [-]
nou
User avatar #55243 - arisaka (01/08/2014) [-]
lol omfg

socialism = abolition of private property, socialized control over means of production, direct democracy, etc

which part of canada is like that again?

Or is any mixed economy now a socialist one?
User avatar #55247 - feelythefeel (01/09/2014) [-]
What I mean by "Canadian style socialism" is more the specific variant of free market socialism that Canada uses, not full blown socialism.
User avatar #55330 - arisaka (01/11/2014) [-]
We don't have "free market socialism"

are you listening to what you're saying? If you listen closely, you can hear pretty much the entire canadian population wheezing because they're laughing so hard.

A mixed economy is not even relatively close to socialism. Please stop saying that, on behalf of the citizens of Canada. I mean, we have a conservative government right now, for gods sake
User avatar #55331 - feelythefeel (01/11/2014) [-]
You know what I mean.
User avatar #55332 - arisaka (01/11/2014) [-]
I do, but that is only because I can contextualize with the specific sub-culture that you likely are agglomerated with. However, that doesn't make it any less "wrong".
User avatar #55333 - feelythefeel (01/11/2014) [-]
Yeah, I can see that.
User avatar #55335 - arisaka (01/11/2014) [-]
anyways to answer your initial question, it's because I think our institutions work better in our favour, there's more money invested in social services, etc

we invest more in human capital and we see a greater return in it
User avatar #55337 - feelythefeel (01/11/2014) [-]
Okay, thanks.
#55091 - When Americans tell me about my health care system I get a wee… 01/07/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#55086 - They're probably remnants of the good old union days. If I rem…  [+] (1 new reply) 01/07/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #55122 - jewishcommunazi (01/07/2014) [-]
Yes, until '74.

After the revolution, parties started to appear and they were overall left-wing and socialistic but most of them started leaning more towards the right. As if that wasn't enough some politicians from the two currently most voted political parties (PS and PSD) also turned into corrupt assholes. Dayum shame.
#55047 - there are more old people than young people. Old people are us…  [+] (3 new replies) 01/06/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #55049 - jewishcommunazi (01/06/2014) [-]
In my country there's the stereotype that the communist party is for old people.
They could be seen as conservative in the sense that they want policies as in the ones used before, right after the revolution though.
User avatar #55086 - arisaka (01/07/2014) [-]
They're probably remnants of the good old union days. If I remember correctly you are from Portugal. Weren't you guys under dictatorship until the 70's?

I would assume all the old peeps might be left-wing opponents of fascism similar to what had happened in Spain or something
User avatar #55122 - jewishcommunazi (01/07/2014) [-]
Yes, until '74.

After the revolution, parties started to appear and they were overall left-wing and socialistic but most of them started leaning more towards the right. As if that wasn't enough some politicians from the two currently most voted political parties (PS and PSD) also turned into corrupt assholes. Dayum shame.
#54935 - Which is exactly where I am at right now. BACK TO THE… 01/05/2014 on Politics - politics news,... +1
#54903 - Far from it. Cultural Marxism as you know it is a derogatory w…  [+] (2 new replies) 01/04/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #54909 - jewishcommunazi (01/04/2014) [-]
I guess I've been taught wrong. Apparently the internet isn't that reliable.

"My question to you now is the question of the zeitgeist: do you believe that society influences culture, or does culture influence society?"

That's sort of a "chicken and egg" question for me, whenever I think it's one, I start to see why it could also be the other way around.
User avatar #54935 - arisaka (01/05/2014) [-]
Which is exactly where I am at right now.

BACK TO THE PHILOSOPHIZING CHAMBER!
#54902 - They're a product of culture, and culture itself is a product … 01/04/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#54862 - and tbh i've been spending a lot of time doing other things (r… 01/03/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#54861 - Formatting shall help. Separate all ideas into paragr… 01/03/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#54858 - The fact of the matter is that in a nucleus of pretension and … 01/03/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#54857 - Comment deleted 01/03/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#54856 - You ramble, but I don't think that's because of yr brain (poss…  [+] (3 new replies) 01/03/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#54859 - valeriya (01/03/2014) [-]
Really I've never thought I ramble, I do fluff out points granted, but that's because I'm more used to analysis and writing descriptively, and the language barrier doesn't help.
User avatar #54862 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
and tbh i've been spending a lot of time doing other things (reading/writing prose, painting, music, long distance lover, school, etc). not much time here. I think I've always been passive aggressive and inciting. Too lazy to ever create an actual structured retort.
User avatar #54861 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
Formatting shall help.

Separate all ideas into paragraphs. Paragraphs shouldn't ever bee too long. Avoid runoff sentences. If you can't avoid one, break it into two paragraphs.

One topic sentence per paragraph. Each paragraph should contain its own topic sentence, body, and thesis.

Follow a line of argumentation. etc.
#54854 - plus I gotta get some sleep. It.s 5 AM where I am and the caff… 01/03/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#54853 - Quelle "tone?" Comment cela?  [+] (7 new replies) 01/03/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#54855 - valeriya (01/03/2014) [-]
The fact you write a lot more passive aggressive then I remember you being and a lot more inciting as well, which is how people interpret my writing.
User avatar #54858 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
The fact of the matter is that in a nucleus of pretension and looking down on people, you either look down on those people or be looked down upon.
#54857 - arisaka has deleted their comment.
User avatar #54856 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
You ramble, but I don't think that's because of yr brain (possible language barrier). I try and be as volatile as possible without people here accusing me of being a "general libtard".
#54859 - valeriya (01/03/2014) [-]
Really I've never thought I ramble, I do fluff out points granted, but that's because I'm more used to analysis and writing descriptively, and the language barrier doesn't help.
User avatar #54862 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
and tbh i've been spending a lot of time doing other things (reading/writing prose, painting, music, long distance lover, school, etc). not much time here. I think I've always been passive aggressive and inciting. Too lazy to ever create an actual structured retort.
User avatar #54861 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
Formatting shall help.

Separate all ideas into paragraphs. Paragraphs shouldn't ever bee too long. Avoid runoff sentences. If you can't avoid one, break it into two paragraphs.

One topic sentence per paragraph. Each paragraph should contain its own topic sentence, body, and thesis.

Follow a line of argumentation. etc.
#54851 - In fact, I'd say everything produced by the Frankfurt School i…  [+] (10 new replies) 01/03/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#54852 - valeriya (01/03/2014) [-]
Post after this, because I've got to travel and I'm enjoying this, also you've picked up my tone without realizing it.
User avatar #54854 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
plus I gotta get some sleep. It.s 5 AM where I am and the caffeine is running out
User avatar #54853 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
Quelle "tone?" Comment cela?
#54855 - valeriya (01/03/2014) [-]
The fact you write a lot more passive aggressive then I remember you being and a lot more inciting as well, which is how people interpret my writing.
User avatar #54858 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
The fact of the matter is that in a nucleus of pretension and looking down on people, you either look down on those people or be looked down upon.
#54857 - arisaka has deleted their comment.
User avatar #54856 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
You ramble, but I don't think that's because of yr brain (possible language barrier). I try and be as volatile as possible without people here accusing me of being a "general libtard".
#54859 - valeriya (01/03/2014) [-]
Really I've never thought I ramble, I do fluff out points granted, but that's because I'm more used to analysis and writing descriptively, and the language barrier doesn't help.
User avatar #54862 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
and tbh i've been spending a lot of time doing other things (reading/writing prose, painting, music, long distance lover, school, etc). not much time here. I think I've always been passive aggressive and inciting. Too lazy to ever create an actual structured retort.
User avatar #54861 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
Formatting shall help.

Separate all ideas into paragraphs. Paragraphs shouldn't ever bee too long. Avoid runoff sentences. If you can't avoid one, break it into two paragraphs.

One topic sentence per paragraph. Each paragraph should contain its own topic sentence, body, and thesis.

Follow a line of argumentation. etc.
#54850 - The difference: 1) It was a concentrated and ACEDEMIC… 01/03/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#54848 - Ahh, yes. The good old "I can't come up with a response, … 01/03/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#54846 - Also, **** your revisionism. Lenin is a revisioni…  [+] (2 new replies) 01/03/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#54847 - valeriya (01/03/2014) [-]
User avatar #54848 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
Ahh, yes. The good old "I can't come up with a response, here's an interior monologue meme featuring a shitty theoretician/opportunist moron".
#54845 - They don't. They don't over value it. They recognize that it i…  [+] (13 new replies) 01/03/2014 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#54849 - valeriya (01/03/2014) [-]
The thing is, they're just stating the obvious, culture has been used to oppress and control people for ages, (See Ukraine under the Russian Empire) and communications as well (See also opposition to Alexander the 3rd who crushed the press for so much as speaking out, this also happened elsewhere in Europe) because they recognized this long before neo-marxists even damn well existed information wars and cultural wars started ages ago, they're really not actually bringing anything new the to playing field.
User avatar #54851 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
In fact, I'd say everything produced by the Frankfurt School is a thousand times more "dialectical" than all that bullshit produced by those jerkoffs in the U.S.S.R.

The only good bolshevik was Lukacs, and he was barely that. Motherfucker wrote more about epistemology than dialectics.
#54852 - valeriya (01/03/2014) [-]
Post after this, because I've got to travel and I'm enjoying this, also you've picked up my tone without realizing it.
User avatar #54854 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
plus I gotta get some sleep. It.s 5 AM where I am and the caffeine is running out
User avatar #54853 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
Quelle "tone?" Comment cela?
#54855 - valeriya (01/03/2014) [-]
The fact you write a lot more passive aggressive then I remember you being and a lot more inciting as well, which is how people interpret my writing.
User avatar #54858 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
The fact of the matter is that in a nucleus of pretension and looking down on people, you either look down on those people or be looked down upon.
#54857 - arisaka has deleted their comment.
User avatar #54856 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
You ramble, but I don't think that's because of yr brain (possible language barrier). I try and be as volatile as possible without people here accusing me of being a "general libtard".
#54859 - valeriya (01/03/2014) [-]
Really I've never thought I ramble, I do fluff out points granted, but that's because I'm more used to analysis and writing descriptively, and the language barrier doesn't help.
User avatar #54862 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
and tbh i've been spending a lot of time doing other things (reading/writing prose, painting, music, long distance lover, school, etc). not much time here. I think I've always been passive aggressive and inciting. Too lazy to ever create an actual structured retort.
User avatar #54861 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
Formatting shall help.

Separate all ideas into paragraphs. Paragraphs shouldn't ever bee too long. Avoid runoff sentences. If you can't avoid one, break it into two paragraphs.

One topic sentence per paragraph. Each paragraph should contain its own topic sentence, body, and thesis.

Follow a line of argumentation. etc.
User avatar #54850 - arisaka (01/03/2014) [-]
The difference:

1) It was a concentrated and ACEDEMIC attack on mass media and mass culture. "Mass Society" was put under scrutiny.

2) If you think everything these people said is 100% new work or of recent development, you're silly. Adorno, like the rest of the Frankfurt School, drew inspiration from Kant. I assume you know who he is.

3) They were not so much concerned about authoritarianist media and culture, but how it existed in the "free" world.

4) There is a deep, dialectical analysis that you're trivializing as "stuff we already knew". Please. Lenin, Stalin, etc regarded Marx's work as a positivist science and NOT as a critique. Disgusting. You think THEY brought anything new? Yeah, right. Neo-Marxism (including all the wonderful work by the Situationists) produced not only a completely new framework of analysis, but probably one of the most coherent, relevant and concentrated critiques since the late Karl Marx himself.
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#2 - xxxsonic fanxxx (06/06/2013) [-]
Hey decided to take a couple ***** on your comments, don't really know why but enjoy.
User avatar #3 to #2 - arisaka (06/07/2013) [-]
thank you
User avatar #1 - airguitar (07/17/2012) [-]
First!! :D
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