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#29762 - >communism >form of government  [+] (6 new replies) 05/20/2013 on Politics - politics news,... +3
#29764 - anonymous (05/20/2013) [-]
you know what I mean.
User avatar #29765 - arisaka (05/20/2013) [-]
Okay then

Direct democracy is the political organization of communism. Supremacy of workers councils over parliament. Is that what you mean?

If so, it allows for more participation in decision making and empowers people to take control over their own lives. Life is not work, work is not life.
#29766 - anonymous (05/20/2013) [-]
yes.

but...

can it work?
#29775 - anonymous (05/20/2013) [-]
no.
communism fails because of human nature.
there will never be a true society were everyone shares wealth and everyone is happy.
this is why every communist government ends up as totalitarian.
people need to be forced to be equal.

capitalism works because it allows everything to work on it's own.
people work together by necessity. in order to be successful, you need to provide a service which is in demand.
people who are more successful gain more than others, and why is that such a bad thing?
User avatar #29837 - oxan (05/20/2013) [-]
Human nature is not fixed, it changes. Governments lead by communists, just like those lead by capitalists, can become authoritarian when threatened.
User avatar #29767 - arisaka (05/20/2013) [-]
Yes.

Despite being very discriminatory as to who could participate, Ancient Greece had a form of a direct democracy that was pretty decent.

You just have to realize that with direct democracy, there is a much stronger feeling of regionalism over, say, federalism. Decisions being made in A are not the best for B because A is not B. Direct democracy has worked in the past, and new technological advancements will make it simpler. All representative democracy does is take democracy further away from the people; direct democracy brings it closer. That's all.
#29676 - "Edgy groups don't count. I'm talking about real movement… 05/19/2013 on Politics - politics news,... +1
#29527 - Sorry. That's weaponized ideology and it's been demonized by M… 05/18/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#29525 - Reply limit reached on the other thing. If the NEP wa…  [+] (2 new replies) 05/18/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #29526 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
The young workers' state was the vanguard against capitalism, with all its flaws. As such, it was worth protecting, and therefore appropriate measures were justified, especially considering Lenin was preparing to remove the measures dictated necessary by war.
User avatar #29527 - arisaka (05/18/2013) [-]
Sorry. That's weaponized ideology and it's been demonized by Marx. It's a tool.
#29523 - That's a red herring. There were many other ways things could …  [+] (1 new reply) 05/18/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #29524 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
Lenin recognised that socialism could not be built in Russia under the conditions it was in. That's why the NEP was introduced - to enable socialism to be built later on.
#29522 - Then I hope it stings, motherfucker. Cause around election tim… 05/18/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#29520 - dude Lenin violated the sanctity of democratic worker…  [+] (3 new replies) 05/18/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #29521 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
Taking necessary measures, or allowing the Whites to win, and return to Tsarism.
User avatar #29523 - arisaka (05/18/2013) [-]
That's a red herring. There were many other ways things could have worked out.

And it was obvious Russia wasn't ready for socialism but that prick went through with it anyways, with his warped idealism. There's a little something called 'economic determinism'. He violated basic Marxist theory.

You know why he needed a vanguard party? Because the proletariat hadn't been developed enough. (also he thought they were stupid. fuck him).
You know why the proletariat wasn't developed? Because most of the population were still peasants.
You know why most of the population were part of the peasant class? Because there weren't many factories.
You know why there weren't many factories? Because capitalism hadn't centralized people into urban environments in mass numbers yet.

Lenin was basically one of those kids who makes up all these stupid house rules when you play Sorry (best canadian game).
User avatar #29524 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
Lenin recognised that socialism could not be built in Russia under the conditions it was in. That's why the NEP was introduced - to enable socialism to be built later on.
#29458 - This fool has never heard of the situationists or any other co…  [+] (2 new replies) 05/18/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #29585 - byposted (05/18/2013) [-]
Edgy groups don't count, I was speaking of viable movements.

The Bolsheviks were the one group that was meant to not take power. It all went wrong. Kerensky was a better representative of the people than Lenin.
User avatar #29676 - arisaka (05/19/2013) [-]
"Edgy groups don't count. I'm talking about real movements"

I guess 11 million people rioting through the streets isn't a movement then. The situationists produced a much better framework of analysis than the soviets did.
#29457 - A few months ago this place was full of libertarians discussin… 05/18/2013 on Politics - politics news,... +1
#29455 - It wasn't a workers state though It was an oligarchy  [+] (5 new replies) 05/18/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #29460 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
Nonsense, arisaka. Indeed, there were measures taken that weren't desirable, but they were necessary, considering war and foreign intervention. But it was far as oligarchy, and was definitely a young workers' state, albeit with a bureaucratic twist, which Lenin highlighted to avoid anything stupid being done (like disbanding trade unions as Trotsky wanted).
User avatar #29520 - arisaka (05/18/2013) [-]
dude

Lenin violated the sanctity of democratic workers councils

thats fucked up

he was a butthurt little turdmonkey who may have been an okay dialectical materialist, but that's where his legacy ends.
User avatar #29521 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
Taking necessary measures, or allowing the Whites to win, and return to Tsarism.
User avatar #29523 - arisaka (05/18/2013) [-]
That's a red herring. There were many other ways things could have worked out.

And it was obvious Russia wasn't ready for socialism but that prick went through with it anyways, with his warped idealism. There's a little something called 'economic determinism'. He violated basic Marxist theory.

You know why he needed a vanguard party? Because the proletariat hadn't been developed enough. (also he thought they were stupid. fuck him).
You know why the proletariat wasn't developed? Because most of the population were still peasants.
You know why most of the population were part of the peasant class? Because there weren't many factories.
You know why there weren't many factories? Because capitalism hadn't centralized people into urban environments in mass numbers yet.

Lenin was basically one of those kids who makes up all these stupid house rules when you play Sorry (best canadian game).
User avatar #29524 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
Lenin recognised that socialism could not be built in Russia under the conditions it was in. That's why the NEP was introduced - to enable socialism to be built later on.
#19 - The elves that could escape were brought to Canada and the res… 05/18/2013 on Happy whatever the fuck 0
#29420 - Yes. History has a way of working with structures and function… 05/17/2013 on Politics - politics news,... +1
#29419 - State capitalism needs to be overthrown. The thing is…  [+] (7 new replies) 05/17/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #29454 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
The alternative of the NEP was return to the provisional republic, or go ahead with socialism in one country. I doubt you'll agree with either.

So the NEP was really the only viable option if the young workers' state were to continue its existence.
User avatar #29455 - arisaka (05/18/2013) [-]
It wasn't a workers state though

It was an oligarchy
User avatar #29460 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
Nonsense, arisaka. Indeed, there were measures taken that weren't desirable, but they were necessary, considering war and foreign intervention. But it was far as oligarchy, and was definitely a young workers' state, albeit with a bureaucratic twist, which Lenin highlighted to avoid anything stupid being done (like disbanding trade unions as Trotsky wanted).
User avatar #29520 - arisaka (05/18/2013) [-]
dude

Lenin violated the sanctity of democratic workers councils

thats fucked up

he was a butthurt little turdmonkey who may have been an okay dialectical materialist, but that's where his legacy ends.
User avatar #29521 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
Taking necessary measures, or allowing the Whites to win, and return to Tsarism.
User avatar #29523 - arisaka (05/18/2013) [-]
That's a red herring. There were many other ways things could have worked out.

And it was obvious Russia wasn't ready for socialism but that prick went through with it anyways, with his warped idealism. There's a little something called 'economic determinism'. He violated basic Marxist theory.

You know why he needed a vanguard party? Because the proletariat hadn't been developed enough. (also he thought they were stupid. fuck him).
You know why the proletariat wasn't developed? Because most of the population were still peasants.
You know why most of the population were part of the peasant class? Because there weren't many factories.
You know why there weren't many factories? Because capitalism hadn't centralized people into urban environments in mass numbers yet.

Lenin was basically one of those kids who makes up all these stupid house rules when you play Sorry (best canadian game).
User avatar #29524 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
Lenin recognised that socialism could not be built in Russia under the conditions it was in. That's why the NEP was introduced - to enable socialism to be built later on.
#60 - A snowflake. I miss you, snow. :c 05/16/2013 on Coincidence? +5
#29309 - One of my parents works as a sales representative selling medi…  [+] (2 new replies) 05/16/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #29360 - oxan (05/17/2013) [-]
Indeed, the conditions may be more or less better than Marx's day, but the interests of the proletariat have remained the same, as has their exploitation.
User avatar #29420 - arisaka (05/17/2013) [-]
Yes. History has a way of working with structures and functions.

I think today we need to up the romanticism of revolution more. People today are much more emotionally starved than they were back in the day.
#29308 - Rosa Luxemburg is good but I find she's TOO spontaneous. … 05/16/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#29307 - NEC = state capitalism, which is precisely why Bolshevism is q…  [+] (9 new replies) 05/16/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #29359 - oxan (05/17/2013) [-]
NEP is more or less state capitalism, but what of it? Lenin said quite openly state-capitalism.
User avatar #29419 - arisaka (05/17/2013) [-]
State capitalism needs to be overthrown.

The thing is both the bureaucracy and the capitalists of the 'west' used spectacular means to perpetuate their ideologies. Both were just different manifests of capitalism which needed to be destroyed. Lenin's ideology was a warped adaptation of Marxism which betrayed several key concepts.
User avatar #29454 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
The alternative of the NEP was return to the provisional republic, or go ahead with socialism in one country. I doubt you'll agree with either.

So the NEP was really the only viable option if the young workers' state were to continue its existence.
User avatar #29455 - arisaka (05/18/2013) [-]
It wasn't a workers state though

It was an oligarchy
User avatar #29460 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
Nonsense, arisaka. Indeed, there were measures taken that weren't desirable, but they were necessary, considering war and foreign intervention. But it was far as oligarchy, and was definitely a young workers' state, albeit with a bureaucratic twist, which Lenin highlighted to avoid anything stupid being done (like disbanding trade unions as Trotsky wanted).
User avatar #29520 - arisaka (05/18/2013) [-]
dude

Lenin violated the sanctity of democratic workers councils

thats fucked up

he was a butthurt little turdmonkey who may have been an okay dialectical materialist, but that's where his legacy ends.
User avatar #29521 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
Taking necessary measures, or allowing the Whites to win, and return to Tsarism.
User avatar #29523 - arisaka (05/18/2013) [-]
That's a red herring. There were many other ways things could have worked out.

And it was obvious Russia wasn't ready for socialism but that prick went through with it anyways, with his warped idealism. There's a little something called 'economic determinism'. He violated basic Marxist theory.

You know why he needed a vanguard party? Because the proletariat hadn't been developed enough. (also he thought they were stupid. fuck him).
You know why the proletariat wasn't developed? Because most of the population were still peasants.
You know why most of the population were part of the peasant class? Because there weren't many factories.
You know why there weren't many factories? Because capitalism hadn't centralized people into urban environments in mass numbers yet.

Lenin was basically one of those kids who makes up all these stupid house rules when you play Sorry (best canadian game).
User avatar #29524 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
Lenin recognised that socialism could not be built in Russia under the conditions it was in. That's why the NEP was introduced - to enable socialism to be built later on.
#29269 - I'd go even further and say the modern definition of the prole…  [+] (4 new replies) 05/16/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #29280 - oxan (05/16/2013) [-]
Marxists on another website I frequent go as far as to include a Microsoft accountant earning $200k a year as a member of the proletariat.

They are correct, really, so long as they don't own any of the MoP.
User avatar #29309 - arisaka (05/16/2013) [-]
One of my parents works as a sales representative selling medical equipment. She's severely overworked, albeit making a decent salary.

Both of my parents work like 14+ hour days. It's insane.

I think the plight of the modern proletariat needs more highlighting. The Tertiary sector may not maim you, but it will take years off your life. I can guarantee that. I'm watching it happen every day.
User avatar #29360 - oxan (05/17/2013) [-]
Indeed, the conditions may be more or less better than Marx's day, but the interests of the proletariat have remained the same, as has their exploitation.
User avatar #29420 - arisaka (05/17/2013) [-]
Yes. History has a way of working with structures and functions.

I think today we need to up the romanticism of revolution more. People today are much more emotionally starved than they were back in the day.
#29252 - Bringing dat revolut'n to erryday lyfe holla holla get dollas 05/15/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#29250 - I changed mine to. I like it very much. 05/15/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#46 - Picture 05/15/2013 on Every RPG game I've played -2
#29241 - Well everyone had thought the Russian Revolution was some kind… 05/15/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#29239 - And one thing I find extra hilarious is how the greatest spont…  [+] (2 new replies) 05/15/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #29279 - oxan (05/16/2013) [-]
"While betraying this lack of thoughtfulness, Comrade Trotsky falls into error himself. He seems to say that in a workers’ state it is not the business of the trade unions to stand up for the material and spiritual interests of the working class. That is a mistake."

Like I said in the other post, I feel you're criticising Stalin more so than Lenin.

As for vanguardism, I've been looking more into Rosa Luxemburg's writings, so I'd prefer not to comment just yet.
User avatar #29308 - arisaka (05/16/2013) [-]
Rosa Luxemburg is good but I find she's TOO spontaneous.

Still better than Lenin. Or all the Soviet pigs.
#29238 - There were actually a lot of great 60's radical groups but the… 05/15/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#29237 - That's kind of a cop-out, man. Bolshevism doesn't wor…  [+] (11 new replies) 05/15/2013 on Politics - politics news,... +1
User avatar #29278 - oxan (05/16/2013) [-]
These are more criticisms to be directed towards Stalin, not Lenin.

Indeed, Lenin spoke of the alien nature of the state apparatus the Bolsheviks merely took over:

"Did it not come from that same Russian apparatus which, as I pointed out in one of the preceding sections of my diary, we took over from tsarism and slightly anointed with Soviet oil?

There is no doubt that that measure should have been delayed somewhat until we could say that we vouched for our apparatus as our own. But now, we must, in all conscience, admit the contrary; the apparatus we call ours is, in fact, still quite alien to us; it is a bourgeois and tsarist hotch-potch and there has been no possibility of getting rid of it in the course of the past five years without the help of other countries and because we have been "busy" most of the time with military engagements and the fight against famine."

As he said, the government was busy with military engagements, and the economic repercussions of said engagements. Saying that, there were indications that Lenin was preparing to ease up on the authoritarian measures dictated necessary by counterrevolutionaries.

Further is the claim that Bolshevism doesn't work. I feel that's a little bit of a cop-out. Lenin, believing that socialism in one country doesn't work, introduced the NEP (partly because war communism wasn't intended to last forever, and Russia wasn't industrialised and therefore hadn't achieved mature capitalism, etc) due to the failure of socialist revolution in Germany and other states. And since socialism in one country was something Stalin originally thought of as rubbish, it's difficult to say that socialism in one country really was Bolshevism.
User avatar #29307 - arisaka (05/16/2013) [-]
NEC = state capitalism, which is precisely why Bolshevism is quite silly. It is the complete negation of economic determinism.

Bolshevism is inherently authoritarian. Democratic centralism is a joke.

The party took what happened in 1905 and ruined it. They were opportunists, which Lenin sharply critiqued. Kind of funny how he contradicts himself.
User avatar #29359 - oxan (05/17/2013) [-]
NEP is more or less state capitalism, but what of it? Lenin said quite openly state-capitalism.
User avatar #29419 - arisaka (05/17/2013) [-]
State capitalism needs to be overthrown.

The thing is both the bureaucracy and the capitalists of the 'west' used spectacular means to perpetuate their ideologies. Both were just different manifests of capitalism which needed to be destroyed. Lenin's ideology was a warped adaptation of Marxism which betrayed several key concepts.
User avatar #29454 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
The alternative of the NEP was return to the provisional republic, or go ahead with socialism in one country. I doubt you'll agree with either.

So the NEP was really the only viable option if the young workers' state were to continue its existence.
User avatar #29455 - arisaka (05/18/2013) [-]
It wasn't a workers state though

It was an oligarchy
User avatar #29460 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
Nonsense, arisaka. Indeed, there were measures taken that weren't desirable, but they were necessary, considering war and foreign intervention. But it was far as oligarchy, and was definitely a young workers' state, albeit with a bureaucratic twist, which Lenin highlighted to avoid anything stupid being done (like disbanding trade unions as Trotsky wanted).
User avatar #29520 - arisaka (05/18/2013) [-]
dude

Lenin violated the sanctity of democratic workers councils

thats fucked up

he was a butthurt little turdmonkey who may have been an okay dialectical materialist, but that's where his legacy ends.
User avatar #29521 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
Taking necessary measures, or allowing the Whites to win, and return to Tsarism.
User avatar #29523 - arisaka (05/18/2013) [-]
That's a red herring. There were many other ways things could have worked out.

And it was obvious Russia wasn't ready for socialism but that prick went through with it anyways, with his warped idealism. There's a little something called 'economic determinism'. He violated basic Marxist theory.

You know why he needed a vanguard party? Because the proletariat hadn't been developed enough. (also he thought they were stupid. fuck him).
You know why the proletariat wasn't developed? Because most of the population were still peasants.
You know why most of the population were part of the peasant class? Because there weren't many factories.
You know why there weren't many factories? Because capitalism hadn't centralized people into urban environments in mass numbers yet.

Lenin was basically one of those kids who makes up all these stupid house rules when you play Sorry (best canadian game).
User avatar #29524 - oxan (05/18/2013) [-]
Lenin recognised that socialism could not be built in Russia under the conditions it was in. That's why the NEP was introduced - to enable socialism to be built later on.
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#2 - anonymous (06/06/2013) [-]
Hey decided to take a couple shits on your comments, don't really know why but enjoy.
User avatar #3 to #2 - arisaka (06/07/2013) [-]
thank you
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