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|#486 - Just like any massive change you can't do it in a heartbeat. T…||05/23/2013 on Vegans||+1|
|#238 - Stir fry, baby. I eat one a day, at least.||05/23/2013 on Vegans||+1|
|#235 - Exactly. I mean I'm a die hard animal lover. I could…||05/23/2013 on Vegans||+3|
|#215 - I'm a vegan who loves animals but also recognizes the… [+] (4 new replies)||05/23/2013 on Vegans||+7|
#428 - Ashtaroth (05/23/2013) [-]
One question I always pose, as someone who works in the agriculture/food production industry: What do we do with the livestock if we don't eat it anymore? There are, now, in the U.S., thousands of times more cattle than there would be if humanity had never come along. It could be argued that humanity has actually helped cattle. They reproduce much more successfully than they would in the wild, since predators can't get to them and they're very well fed. Life comes down to: grow, gain strength, reproduce. Cows do that extremely well these days. But anyway...
What would happen if these 10s of million head of cattle were released into the wild? They would be EVERYWHERE. The environmental impact of having them confined is likely a good deal less than if they were wandering in enormous herds, crapping everywhere and eating everything. For the most part, there aren't any real predators for such things. They've been shuffled into their own "wild" confinements. So there'd be massive herds wandering around, plugging up highways for dozens of miles and multiple days, blocking up cities. The environmental impact would spread everywhere. Now add in the 100 millions of chickens, turkeys, ducks, pigs and whatever else. An enormous part of the reason we don't have plagues anymore is because of the omnivorous nature of human beings. Now fishing? That is being monstrously over done. But given that it's been building for centuries, the meat industry kinda has to continue. Adapt? Sure. Of course. My company works toward that. But it can't just stop. Unless you want to just insta-kill a billion creatures in the US and put millions out of work. Sucks, but it's a simple fact of life at this point.
#486 - arisaka (05/23/2013) [-]
Just like any massive change you can't do it in a heartbeat. The ball is NEVER moving to fast for us to stop it. I could use that logic against any kind of progressive argument that seeks to change an aspect in society. (remember recycling?)
I think predation will eventually keep down the population. Nature has a way of fixing shit. Human beings act in an un-natural way when we farm animals the way we do. And when the wolves and other predatory animals eat too many, they'll starve, and their numbers will go down too. Lets not forget, we've gone on witch-hunts for animals that fucked with our livestock - wolves have been nearly wiped out of the United States and Japan. It will be a lengthy process but I think the environment is worth it. We can't keep living the same way forever, and eventually, the antagonism is going to have to be corrected or it will correct us.
I don't mind people hunting for their own food, though.
#235 - arisaka (05/23/2013) [-]
I mean I'm a die hard animal lover. I could argue both ways, and often I do, but my main argument for people I usually don't know well is the environmental costs. I became a vegan due to the whole animal rights thing because it hits closer to home, and somewhere in the argument I'll let that slip in, the same way people argue their philosophical maxims. For the most part, if you want to be a good arguer (and a manipulative little runt), you have to argue from the standpoint that hits closer to home with your opponent.
The worst thing about arguing from the animal rights perspective is people feel like you are preaching. In fact, simply being a vegan will make you some enemies. While being interrogated by some friends about my personal diet I was told several times "you sound like you're preaching".
|#32 - It looks like a little broccoli elephant||05/21/2013 on Fuck you too,broccoli||0|
|#124 - Thumbing for solidarity.||05/21/2013 on Holocaust in a nutshell||+1|
|#152 - ur stupid||05/21/2013 on Colbert||0|
|#64 - Yes! But it's also the Colbert Report so it's all just one big…||05/21/2013 on Colbert||+3|
|#61 - I think she is more or less pointing out the sociological tren… [+] (5 new replies)||05/21/2013 on Colbert||+2|
#131 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/21/2013) [-]
I don't think a nignog would be able to think all of that
|#95 - Montreal to Florida. It's like she's at the other end of the world.||05/21/2013 on Don't be a Dick||+2|
|#93 - Communication. It's not about talking often (it helps) it's ju…||05/21/2013 on Don't be a Dick||+1|
|#29865 - Their lives are still tied to industry! Also, keeping the wage…||05/20/2013 on Politics - politics news,...||+1|
|#29855 - It doesn't. Because it still requires you to slave away for a wage.||05/20/2013 on Politics - politics news,...||0|
|#29854 - Nature did not create prices, slaves, or rulers. It created existence.||05/20/2013 on Politics - politics news,...||0|
|#29829 - Abolish wages!||05/20/2013 on Politics - politics news,...||0|
|#29826 - Profit sharing does not destroy the wage-slave, my good friend.||05/20/2013 on Politics - politics news,...||0|
|#29812 - Again, that doesn't make him any less of a Marxist-Leninist, w…||05/20/2013 on Politics - politics news,...||0|
|#29788 - Being the lesser of two evils does not exempt you from being p…||05/20/2013 on Politics - politics news,...||0|
|#29777 - That has nothing to do with direct democracy. Tito had a perso… [+] (2 new replies)||05/20/2013 on Politics - politics news,...||0|
|#29773 - Although I will admit Switzerland is pretty good. A step in th… [+] (6 new replies)||05/20/2013 on Politics - politics news,...||0|
|#29772 - No. Ancient Greece. Athens, to be specific. Referendu… [+] (7 new replies)||05/20/2013 on Politics - politics news,...||0|
|#29771 - Wrote it off as total ******** . Glorified the Rus…||05/20/2013 on Politics - politics news,...||+1|
|#29767 - Yes. Despite being very discriminatory as to who coul…||05/20/2013 on Politics - politics news,...||+1|
|#29765 - Okay then Direct democracy is the political organizat… [+] (4 new replies)||05/20/2013 on Politics - politics news,...||+3|
#29766 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/20/2013) [-]
can it work?
#29775 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/20/2013) [-]
communism fails because of human nature.
there will never be a true society were everyone shares wealth and everyone is happy.
this is why every communist government ends up as totalitarian.
people need to be forced to be equal.
capitalism works because it allows everything to work on it's own.
people work together by necessity. in order to be successful, you need to provide a service which is in demand.
people who are more successful gain more than others, and why is that such a bad thing?
#29767 - arisaka (05/20/2013) [-]
Despite being very discriminatory as to who could participate, Ancient Greece had a form of a direct democracy that was pretty decent.
You just have to realize that with direct democracy, there is a much stronger feeling of regionalism over, say, federalism. Decisions being made in A are not the best for B because A is not B. Direct democracy has worked in the past, and new technological advancements will make it simpler. All representative democracy does is take democracy further away from the people; direct democracy brings it closer. That's all.
|#29763 - neither are leninists Remember when he wrote that pam…||05/20/2013 on Politics - politics news,...||0|