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#53 - I honestly feel bad for that kid.  [+] (45 replies) 11/30/2016 on Russia on EU army +36
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#159 - lean (11/30/2016) [-]
Agree. Should have been the parents, they are responsible
#149 - alixdtkari (11/30/2016) [-]
I don't.

sorry for the edge
#184 - nascfcwount (11/30/2016) [-]
בגלל שהוא ערבי, או בגלל שזה פשוט לא משנה לך?
#64 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
Of course. It's a kid.

If the first immigrant boat was turned back by the coast guard, noone would repeat it, and the kid would be alive. But "accept muh poor refugees" murdered all of them.
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#65 - alltimetens (11/30/2016) [-]
Honestly none of us know the story behind it. They may have been facing conditions that forced them to go. If you had a kid and you were in that position you would want the best for him/her, would you not?
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#382 - yunch (12/02/2016) [-]
Sympathising with Arab children on FJ? That's a paddling.

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#311 - thegamepixel (11/30/2016) [-]
Well I'd say this wasn't what was best for him. Would you?
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#314 - alltimetens (11/30/2016) [-]
No, if I had control over the universe I'd have made the boat ride a safe one.
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#326 - thegamepixel (11/30/2016) [-]
With ultimate power, you'd make a safe boat? I'd say think bigger, but we're clearly talking about reality here.
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#329 - alltimetens (11/30/2016) [-]
And obviously, I'd fix Syria and the rest of the world's problems.
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#332 - thegamepixel (11/30/2016) [-]
We are talking about reality, not playing god.
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#336 - alltimetens (11/30/2016) [-]
I'm just showing how I feel about the whole ordeal. I don't get happy when a child gets washed up on the beach, y'know?
#337 - thegamepixel (11/30/2016) [-]
You said that they may have left because this was what was best. Clearly the child dying is not best for it.
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#339 - alltimetens (11/30/2016) [-]
He was willing to risk it all so that he could give the child a better life. That's all that matters.
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#350 - thegamepixel (11/30/2016) [-]
Including said child's life.
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#327 - alltimetens (11/30/2016) [-]
Yeah, I'd make it so that the child doesn't die.
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#330 - thegamepixel (11/30/2016) [-]
You could make the entire world peaceful and wealthy too, but that's not real.
#125 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
Yeah and traversing a sea in a fucking rubber dinghy is the way to increase their safety.
#105 - intrudez (11/30/2016) [-]
Reporting from the Kebabland, while the wealthy Syrians live and travel around Turkey, establishing their own businesses and opening shops and stores here and there, poorest of Syrians live at the Turkish side of the border in concentrated areas called container towns. One of them is in Kilis and until the army got in Syria, ISIS was bombing the hell out of Kilis like 20 random shitty bombs a day or so, people died daily; but imho this one kid's death was used as an attack on EU to get more money for holding immigrants back from EU, greece, etc.
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#83 - volantis (11/30/2016) [-]
Dont even try dude. On this site they are so anti immigrant you cant even argue because the wont moove one cm from their position.
I agree with you. No one here can know the reasons why the parents tried to flee and honestly they dont have much right to blame them. Its easy to say stay in turkey when you are sitting in a comfy chair in front of your pc.
But oh well, i stopped trying to argue about that kinda stuff on this site.
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#279 - hmaruskeksimus (11/30/2016) [-]
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#121 - guillem (11/30/2016) [-]
You're sadly right, but never stop arguing about it. The more we don't post, the more this site becomes an echo-chamber.
#84 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
Nooo, noooone knows why people emigrate to richer countries if they can, it's a mystery. You only need to read a little.
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#86 - volantis (11/30/2016) [-]
Thats konda funny coming from a polish guy.

-> poland that would be a shithole worse than afrika without constant eu support. But now when other countries want benefits too you go apeshit.

Furthermore while there are a lot of economical refugees which i dont really like either. There are a lot of refugees fleeing from warzones and those should be accepted if possible. All i said was that its hard to know why the people fled, and that it is wrong to just judge them if you yourself cant possibly know what you would have done in the same position.

Also i m kinda conflicted that a dead child is. Funny meme now. Just seems a little over the top for me.
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#313 - thegamepixel (11/30/2016) [-]
"Its easy to say stay in turkey"
"There are a lot of refugees fleeing from warzones"

Pretty sure Turkey isn't a warzone.
#265 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
Poland would be fine without EU, it would be better if Germans did not killed 20% of Poles during II WW. Poland will only be in EU if it is benefiting. Poles are proud of their past and nation, because they can, unlike Germans that are trained by the media to be ashamed of themselves. At least it's safe to be women in Poland, there will be no horny refugee that will rape and face no consequences. If you like it in the ass, you can take as many immigrants as you want.
#271 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
So well said
#213 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
Its konda funny what germoney think about poland now that history is forgotten
>if it wasnt for communism and your sneak attack combined back then we would have far better superior cars today, karpiński created computer so far beyound current time technology all west thought it was impossible bullshit specifications and no one wealthy supported him. Thats just the 2 inventions that were stopped because "reasons" but thanks to that you could have developed your inferior VW (that now cheats on co2 reports) porshe and audi. Backstabbed and betrayed by every allies and enemies country still survived somehow, we didnt get any reparations for WW2 (forced to refuse) we got traitorous agreements like ribbentropp molotow. Id like to see all your major cities completely destroyed and rebuilded with none financial add while almost all inteligence were killed in the woods. If we would just be left alone we would be far more advanced and wealthy today than you ever will be, and now you went full sweden to assure your downfall. Now you arent even aryan like hitler wanted. Whenewer I see your flag now I instantly imagine some greasy and sweaty brown skinned man named mustafa. You islamic turkroach. I remember times before EU - it was nice, many factories worked and now its mostly closed by bullshit production limits, most of founding from eu have to be wasted for usless investitions like swimming pools and shit roads that no one uses and requires often repairs because of such "quality" forced road composition. You have to really strain your eyes to see actual effects from such funding because bureaucracy limitations from eu are that retarded
#110 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
>worse than Africa

You don't know many Poles, don't you? And I even mean plumbers that work for you in your country.
Poland will never be like africa because of two simple reasons - we don't kill eachother on a daily basis and we work hard as fuck. Check the OECD reports. While we came in 8th place in "most hours worked" Germany came in...36th. DEAD fucking LAST. Who's the lazy fucker now? You expliot Turks, Poles, Russians to do most of your simplest work for you for shit money while they keep your economy beating and competitive.

Our shit position is because of two reasons: we were completely fucked over in WWII (by you guys mostly) and rightt after that we were drained by comunists for DECADES to the point of complete exploitation. Second one is: we're quite naive people.

I woudln't dwelwe deeper into the subject if I were a German.

But as for the warzone refugee deal and using a dead child as a meme you're right.
#88 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
Whats funny, that's the only reason Poles go to Germany or further west, because we make more money there. But we can - we are part of EU. Turkey is not, Syria is not, they can't do that.

Poland loses hundreds of billions a year because we're in EU. It's just hidden and noone is taking about it, and some double digit help is showed like it's charity. You'll be shithole like Africa, literally, we defend ourselves from immigrants. And they won't integrate. You can take a person from Africa, but you can't take Africa out of a person.

EU is not adjacent to any war zone, we don't have to accept anyone. We give money for refugees in camps around warzones - that's enough. And we know why this particular family fled, #79. We know why generally people migrate.
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#89 - volantis (11/30/2016) [-]
Oh yea sure you spend so much of your hard earned money on the eu.
Your whole country was basically made by eu "Fördergeldern" (dont know how to translate this properly).
Also keep bashing on germany, our economy is stronger that ever and if you think we will be like afrika i can only laugh. All you eastern eu countries talk abould the far east and afrika like its hell while the rest of the eu sees you as only slightly above third world countries.
You keep saying your deus vult shit because you have nothing else but your white purity and national shit to be proud of.
You know if germany ever becomes like afrika you will have quite the problem. I mean whose toilets are you gonna clean then?
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#303 - bgr (11/30/2016) [-]
goddamn dude, this is some firing squad of an argument +1
#321 - thegamepixel (11/30/2016) [-]
He barely even refuted half the points. This was just bants.
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#323 - bgr (11/30/2016) [-]
you do the same. also bitching about jews and non white people doesnt make your argument any better..

Get fucked
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#324 - thegamepixel (11/30/2016) [-]
What the hell are you talking about? Who was talking about Jews?
#92 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
Yes we do, we put into EU budget half of whatever EU is spending in Poland as a way to give work to german corporations. We would be fine without these "investments", but it's just a german scam.

Who is this "you" you're talking about, Africans and Asians?. At least thanks to the "irrelevant" white purity in Poland it is "our" economy (or at least works on us), whatever the level of wealth we have.

Not yours, you'll be a one dead german. And we don't need your toilets, we will just invade and take your whole land from Africans.
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#96 - volantis (11/30/2016) [-]
Wow dude three crazy good arguments.
You will conquer germany from the africans, you spend half your budget (whatever the fuck you think that is) on the eu. -> i would like to see he source on that statement.
And you say our economy is owned by asians and afrikans?? At least thats what i understood from the shit you call english.

Well if you truly believe those 3 things i give up. I refuse to waste my time on a mental 5 year old.
Keep screaming that germany exploits you and deus vult. No one that actualy matters in this world cares
#222 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
In defense of the other anon I can say only one thing. Poland is and always was very self concious about our position and reputation but at the same time equally concious about our strengths. We rebel against assholes and keep loosing our patience (like above anon). Sadly many people from your country had zero problems with ridiculing Poles (you had a fucking running "comedy" show that frequently ridiculed Poland in particular for fucks sake) and you get offended when we return the favor. Never mind some dignity and modesty, especially hat your country did to ours not so long ago it would be civil to at least hold the jokes. But no.

We, despite all the Polack jokes do our thing silently. Working hard, putting up with shit like your view on the world for example. We get angry when people bellitle us just because it's frequent.

But Germany, amont other few EU countries does something far more destructive. You're completely delusional about you "power". You think you're colonial times strong, you think you matter, you think you have no competition and people think highly of you, your position matters. Bottom line is you're a shadow of what you once were and today when people talk about Germany it's either WWII talk or refugee problems or jokes about the most fucked up language in the world. That's it. That's how much you "matter" in a general conciousness. Your arrogance will be the end of you, it ALWAYS is, mark my words and take it as an advice.
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#112 - strobler (11/30/2016) [-]
I like counter viewpoints on this site. Breaks the echo-chamber.

Now Immigration on it's own isn't bad fundamentally, but Sweden and Germany have been taking a lot at once.
Which means that housing is difficult to find.
Which means that it will be tempting for the authorities to cram them up.
Which is a recipe for ghetto's (if we learned anything from history)
Which is a recipe for disaster.

We also have to take into account the long term effect of Islamization which has happened to many countries (Sudan, Algeria, Malaysia, Pakistan) and now with Eldoran it will also happen in once "secular" Turkey.
It's a natural process because Islam is so authoritarian and conservative combined with a high breeding rate among Muslims.
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#120 - guillem (11/30/2016) [-]
Good points, exactly this. France is having as many problems with Muslims who were born French citizens because they've lived in ghettos their whole lives after their parents moved to the metropolis (France) when decolonization ended, and now their sons are retaliating about the Western State that they feel has "wronged them" for not having given them a good life despite having been born French. Immigration isn't the problem, not properly integrating the migrants is.

Have my thumb, good Sir.
#99 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
Poland yearly gets from EU around 8bln euro, and our payment to EU is around 3bln euro.

Like i said, you'll be gone, and we'll just wait out whatever problems you'll have. Bye bye.
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#90 - skfdkfkehdgurdk (11/30/2016) [-]
found the merkehl
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#100 - volantis (11/30/2016) [-]
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#317 - thegamepixel (11/30/2016) [-]
so you admit it?
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#79 - bucketofhurt (11/30/2016) [-]
No one? We know it as detailed as: the father wanted free dental care and left a stable situation in Turkey with his whole family.

What we also suspect is that the photographers moved the body before they took the picture
#540 - Picture  [+] (1 reply) 11/30/2016 on Roll to feed her 0
#544 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
Someone's triggered!
#20 - I did. Had to end the convo because it was going nowhere. Also…  [+] (1 reply) 11/30/2016 on Meth, not even onthe -5
#21 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
No joke. Do it.
#534 - Why are you so butthurt? Like I said I deleted the post itself…  [+] (3 replies) 11/30/2016 on Roll to feed her 0
#539 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
Kill yourself
#540 - alltimetens (11/30/2016) [-]
#544 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
Someone's triggered!
#18 - I deleted the post because it's not going any where. Now scram.  [+] (4 replies) 11/30/2016 on Meth, not even onthe -6
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#28 - uselessmemer (11/30/2016) [-]
What have you been up to I wonder
#19 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
But you proved me wrong I thought? I asked what proof you provided and you delete it.Fucking faggot.
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#20 - alltimetens (11/30/2016) [-]
I did. Had to end the convo because it was going nowhere. Also those insults weren't very nice, now were they?
#21 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
No joke. Do it.
#26 - Right. And it's common protocol to recount in swing states, es…  [+] (11 replies) 11/30/2016 on Scarborough from MSNBC Red... 0
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#39 - crusaderzav (11/30/2016) [-]
Alright you big pleb

Yes it's common for close states to be recounted, however there are states where Clinton's victory margin was smaller than Trump's victory margin in the 3 states that are being recounted, yet they're not being recounted.

It's not just recounts that are threatening the result of the election. It's the Clinton supporters rioting in the streets, trying to threaten the electoral college into voting for Clinton regardless of how their state voted, the whole "#NotMyPresident" nonsense and trying to find ways to circumvent the election by claiming the popular vote should be considered over the electoral college. It's the democrats/Clinton voters that are doing exactly what Clinton herself said would be a threat to our democracy.
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#53 - alltimetens (11/30/2016) [-]
Didn't Trump try to incite riots when Obama won in 2012, though?
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#54 - crusaderzav (12/07/2016) [-]
Good job on addressing 15% of my point. In 2012, Trump said: "We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!"

Comparing the destruction that the clinton voters are wreaking to all the nothing that happened in 2012 from the Republicans, it's not an argument. Even if the Republicans had violent riots in 2012, it still wouldn't be acceptable today.
#31 - dudulli (11/30/2016) [-]
First of all, states have different rules regarding recounts and not all have one. The margin in New Hampshire is - with Michigan - the closest one with about 0,3% and they don't have a recount protocol in any case.
Secondly, as a rule of thumb everything over 0,5% difference does not valid a recount. The exception to this is Michigan in which it is not a certain percentage but a 2.000 margin.

In this election there is not one "swing state" that - by standard protocol - validates a recount because the margins were not close enough.
Not PA, not WI, not MI, not NH, not NV, not MI - not one state.

The recounts that are asked for right now do not fall under these rules but rather are trying to be "forced" under the claim that the election process MIGHT HAVE BEEN tampered with even though everyone, and even the side that does ask for the recounts, acknowledges that there is no evidence for that.
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#29 - alria (11/30/2016) [-]
One of the issues is that the recounts are only being held in states that Trump won, while not counting that states Hillary won with a SMALLER margin. Thhe closest state Trump won was PA with ~10,000 votes while Hillary lost NH with ~2,700 votes. The fact that Hillary's campaign is helping with the recount doesn't really help, either.

( was anon, reposting so I get notification, my B. )
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#33 - dudulli (11/30/2016) [-]
I assume you are the anon from below.

Those are absolute votes, not percentage and most states have rules based on percentage margin, not absolute votes.

Michigan is the only one I can think of with an absolute 2.000 votes rule, which is irrelevant, though, because Trump won by 10.000.
The premise of alltimetens is false, though. These recounts are not protocol.
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#41 - alria (11/30/2016) [-]
I didn't consider the percentage factor as opposed to flat votes, and acknowledge that is important to consider. However, I still think it looks suspicious for a 3rd party to call recounts several in states that would only benefit to swing the election to one party when the pretext for the recount is to ensure a fair election.
#50 - dudulli (11/30/2016) [-]
It definitely is.

Even the Green Party itself acknowledges that this move is confusing, that there are other close states and it's a move just by Stein alone - she is not backed by her party at all.
The automatic recount is not relevant in this case.

Now, if we assume that Stein did this move without any pressure from outside then it is pretty obvious IMO why she is just calling for recounts in Trump states:
If she called for recounts in NH or MI, then she wouldn't get so much support and money. People might get scared at the thought that Hillary could lose other states, too, and even if it's not really relevant - since Hillary lost - they wouldn't support a recount that could potentially harm Hillary.

So I think it's quite fair to say that, even though we are not absolutely sure why Stein called for a recount, it is obvious why she called for recounts in red states only.

Wisconsin gave her an estimate of 3.5 million dollars to pay. Which is incredibl high but great news, because there are two possibilities now:
1.) She pays the money ASAP, then we can rather safely assume she really wanted the money for a recount
2.) She doesn't pay the money. Then we pretty much have the confirmation that the recount was only a front to get as much money (for whatever) as possible.
#28 - anon (11/30/2016) [-]
One of the issues is that the recounts are only being held in states that Trump won, while not counting that states Hillary won with a SMALLER margin. Thhe closest state Trump won was PA with ~10,000 votes while Hillary lost NH with ~2,700 votes. The fact that Hillary's campaign is helping with the recount doesn't really help, either.
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#42 - elsanna (11/30/2016) [-]
You mean Michigan with 10000 votes.

He won PA with 68000.
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