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#316 - Strict AF gun control but how many people die from guns there …  [+] (12 replies) 09/05/2015 on Tonite Im genuinely furious... 0
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#327 - cloakndagger (09/05/2015) [-]
Yeah, but how many straight-up murders and other assorted crime?
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#332 - cloakndagger (09/05/2015) [-]
That's actually surprisingly good.

But still, I read something a while back that showed that when you look at how they divide up the murder weapons, the statistics that show murders with guns being so bad in America are kinda manipulated. They separate the murders with close range weapons by sharp weapons and blunt weapons. So if you kill somebody with a hammer, that's classed as an entirely different thing than killing somebody with a knife. If you don't separate those and minimize their number based on hammer vs. knife, then the overall amount of murders WITHOUT guns ends up being much higher than with guns.

It's all in how you dice the statistics. The gun epidemic really isn't as bad in America as one would think. In short, people are going to murder if they're going to murder, whether they have a gun or not.
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#333 - alltimetens (09/05/2015) [-]
That's a dangerous way of thinking. Might as well legalize murder cause people are bound to kill either way, right?

Oh. And get rid of the anti-theft laws, too. Cause people are bound to steal, too!
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#336 - cloakndagger (09/05/2015) [-]
Jesus Christ, man, don't do that. Scarecrows creep me out. If you're gonna build a straw man, do it somewhere else. I never in any way justified murder. I just mean that instead of looking at guns as the root of the problem, we should be looking at the apparently intense amount of fucked up people who have no regard for human life. If these people are gonna go off and get pissed enough to shoot someone, I don't think there's anything stopping them from getting pissed off enough to beat someone to death with a hammer, or stab someone in the neck. The problem is the people, not the choice of weapon.
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#337 - alltimetens (09/05/2015) [-]
"In short, people are going to murder if they're going to murder, whether they have a gun or not."

^ That statement is just as ridiculous as what I was just saying in my earlier comments.

If your logic entails the "well people are gonna murder anyhow" philosophy, then you may as well be consistent and get rid of other laws too.
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#340 - cloakndagger (09/05/2015) [-]
So how much of my replies are you going to ignore to make your point independently from what I'm saying? Like I said, I'm not justifying murder. You're focusing on the wrong end of that statement. It wasn't saying that people SHOULD murder because they're going to. It's saying that since fucked up people are going to murder anyways, the weapon shouldn't matter, we should focus more on the fucked up people.

What I'm saying is that people who are fucked up enough to murder are fucked up to murder with or without a gun.

Apparently America has a lot of fucked up people, more that use sharp and blunt weapons instead of guns.

Instead of focusing on the fewer amounts of murders done with guns, and using that as an excuse to get rid of guns, focus on the fucked up people who are murdering in general.

Was I clear enough this time, or are you going to again disregard everything and argue against bullshit I in no way said, or argue against only part of what I said?
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#342 - alltimetens (09/05/2015) [-]
What does someone murdering an axe have in common with someone murdering with a gun?

Axes are not made to fucking kill people. Neither are knives. They can sure as hell do the job, but guns are much more conventional and have no other purpose but to kill.

You are pointing to axe/knife murders and trying to justify mass ownership of guns.

You don't even understand your own flawed logic.
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#345 - cloakndagger (09/05/2015) [-]
Even if they aren't made to kill people, that doesn't stop people from using them to get the job done. I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about my point of view. Do we want less guns, but still the same amount of crazy people willing to murder, or do we want to focus on doing something about the fucked up crazy people that are willing to murder?

Guns themselves aren't inherently bad because of the purpose they serve. Ending one life can defend another. Other weapons and tools aren't inherently evil either because of their capability to end a life. What we need to focus on is the PEOPLE that are using these things to do wrong. None of these things are mystic devices that can operate without someone else's will and intent behind them. All I'm saying is that there's ways to go through with this that will fix issues without pissing people off. I don't see why that's not agreeable.
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#346 - alltimetens (09/05/2015) [-]
I didn't say we shouldn't focus on murders overall. However, by not having gun laws that make sense, you're essentially giving someone an easy pass to shoot up a school.

And yes, guns are inherently bad. They've caused way more issues than they solve. But that's a topic for another time.
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#349 - cloakndagger (09/05/2015) [-]
I've always stood by the old argument that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. The fact of the matter is that guns are here, and they're everywhere. The disarmaments where people show up at police stations and turn in their guns and shit, those don't work, because do you really think some thug is going to walk up to a police station and turn in his gun? It takes care of the law-abiding part of the equation, but not the criminal element. More gun laws is not going to do anything to stop criminals from acquiring them illegally, they just make law-abiding people less likely to get and use them.

We can solve the school shootings by having guards. Many schools already do this, as well as have metal detectors. When the problem is already here, and hard to remove, then you have to have contingencies in place that aren't just tighter gun laws. I mean, really. Gun laws work? How? Because criminals follow laws? It's all very poorly thought out, and instead of instilling fear of guns and treating them like some mystical artifact of death, we should teach safety with them, teach proficiency with them, that way when one person stands up to do bad with a gun, you have 9 other people on standby ready to nail 'em.

Meanwhile, we should have better, more affordable mental health care, which is shit in most places in the states, to catch and improve the psychological instabilities that lead to catastrophes like school shootings. Everyone's willing to cry about it and react emotionally, but it seems nobody has a coherent plan of action to do something effective about it.
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#350 - alltimetens (09/05/2015) [-]
I agree with you on everything.

Especially the last bit.

However, we should still have gun laws that make sense. If I want a gun, I should only be able to obtain it via background checks, fees, and the like.
#76 - Like, you guys went to the moon and back, yet still manage to …  [+] (1 reply) 09/05/2015 on old memes best memes +1
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#79 - ugoboom (09/05/2015) [-]
Us whiteys have both the Hippie and the New Age cultures monopolized, so if there's some "Alternative", "natural", or whatever treatment or therapy, you fucking know it's a white people behind it.
#74 - Why is it white people who always do stupid **** like this?  [+] (2 replies) 09/05/2015 on old memes best memes +1
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#76 - alltimetens (09/05/2015) [-]
Like, you guys went to the moon and back, yet still manage to do all this stupid shit. Wtf?
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#79 - ugoboom (09/05/2015) [-]
Us whiteys have both the Hippie and the New Age cultures monopolized, so if there's some "Alternative", "natural", or whatever treatment or therapy, you fucking know it's a white people behind it.
#144 - Nobody gives a ****. iOS still has smooth UI and can do whatev…  [+] (3 replies) 09/05/2015 on Android vs Apple +1
#162 - luckycyr (09/05/2015) [-]
I sincerely hope you recognize the hypocrisy of this post.
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#172 - alltimetens (09/05/2015) [-]
What hypocrisy?
#167 - anon (09/05/2015) [-]
Seriously? Please reference basically this entire fucking thread.

"Oh, a giant Apple bashing circle-jerk? Sign me up!"
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