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#36 - <ahem> goddamn it seriously you pretentious &qu…  [+] (2 new replies) 04/19/2014 on coffee +1
#59 - baitdoesnttalkback (04/19/2014) [-]
the....the entitlement in your comment....its its blinding
User avatar #64 - alfrebecht (04/19/2014) [-]
Thank you
#146 - I mean, people eat fried butter on a stick. Don't thi… 04/19/2014 on just...wow 0
#96 - The bigger problem is that it would probably break on hitting …  [+] (1 new reply) 04/17/2014 on an eye for an iPhone 0
User avatar #145 - cookiel (04/17/2014) [-]
Eh it's not that terribly high up. I mean unless it hit a rock it'd be fine
#240 - Since I didn't look at the sources, this may be true. 04/16/2014 on "male privilege" 0
#239 - Yeah, that's an obvious statistic. It would become re…  [+] (1 new reply) 04/16/2014 on "male privilege" 0
User avatar #240 - alfrebecht (04/16/2014) [-]
Since I didn't look at the sources, this may be true.
#145 - "You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the… 04/10/2014 on Wall St.Journal Declares... 0
#143 - First, I was referring the generic "cause" that you …  [+] (2 new replies) 04/10/2014 on Wall St.Journal Declares... 0
User avatar #144 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
There's nothing I want from you, Alrebecht. You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding. Is that another one of those useless social conventions you're going to try to beat me to death with?

Like I said, I'm amusing myself. Isn't that, in part, why people talk to each other? You know, another one of those social conventions you're determined to hammer into my brain?

And what, do you honestly think I've running around cursing out everyone I've ever met in life whenever I disagreed with them? I'm talking to a bunch of fuckin' 14-year-olds, dude. You know, the idiots who thumb shit like "nigger nigger nigger" for no other reason than because it's a bad word?

Dude, all this concern for social convention... DO YOU KNOW WHICH SITE YOU'RE ON? This conversation is becoming INSANE.

But again, there's no "cause". And please spare me the Dale Carnegie routine. I used his name without being prompted for it, so I clearly have a rough understanding of How to Win Friends and Influence People.
User avatar #145 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
"You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding."

wat. Where did that come from.

Also, I've never read it. Any good?
#141 - Also, I didn't say anything about the disparity's movement?  [+] (4 new replies) 04/10/2014 on Wall St.Journal Declares... 0
User avatar #142 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
You mentioned my "cause." The only political subject of interest, the only potential "cause" of mine which I'm "hurting," would be income disparity.

Of course you mentioned facts. You said I'm hurting my own cause by being "uncivilized," right? Isn't the implication to be "civilized" and focus on facts and not acrimony? Well, there you go. It doesn't work. Being polite and informative "hurts the cause" just as much as being a douchebag. Case in point, we're going in complete circles.

Do you see why I don't bother, Afrebecht? Everything you told me, from a neurophysiological point of view, is complete hogwash.

So that's why I come down on people like a hurricane sometimes. Even if I am right, the other person is never gonna admit it. So there's no point in communicating non-barbarically. At this point, the only point to me continuing these asinine and pointless conversations is to amuse myself.

So that's what I'm doing.

Welcome to the real world.
User avatar #143 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
First, I was referring the generic "cause" that you would pursue in a given discussion, not this one specifically.
Second, being civilized just means using societally accepted language and protocol in discussion (not, for instance, calling people "fucking liars")
Third, actually you are bothering, so no I don't see why you don't bother. If you didn't bother you wouldn't be here for me to disagree with.
Lastly, ok? I mean what's your point? I'm an idiot for trying to help someone find a better way of using their frustration and failing?

OH NO! MY life is ruined? What do you want from me here?
User avatar #144 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
There's nothing I want from you, Alrebecht. You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding. Is that another one of those useless social conventions you're going to try to beat me to death with?

Like I said, I'm amusing myself. Isn't that, in part, why people talk to each other? You know, another one of those social conventions you're determined to hammer into my brain?

And what, do you honestly think I've running around cursing out everyone I've ever met in life whenever I disagreed with them? I'm talking to a bunch of fuckin' 14-year-olds, dude. You know, the idiots who thumb shit like "nigger nigger nigger" for no other reason than because it's a bad word?

Dude, all this concern for social convention... DO YOU KNOW WHICH SITE YOU'RE ON? This conversation is becoming INSANE.

But again, there's no "cause". And please spare me the Dale Carnegie routine. I used his name without being prompted for it, so I clearly have a rough understanding of How to Win Friends and Influence People.
User avatar #145 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
"You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding."

wat. Where did that come from.

Also, I've never read it. Any good?
#140 - I never said anything about facts.  [+] (5 new replies) 04/10/2014 on Wall St.Journal Declares... 0
User avatar #141 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
Also, I didn't say anything about the disparity's movement?
User avatar #142 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
You mentioned my "cause." The only political subject of interest, the only potential "cause" of mine which I'm "hurting," would be income disparity.

Of course you mentioned facts. You said I'm hurting my own cause by being "uncivilized," right? Isn't the implication to be "civilized" and focus on facts and not acrimony? Well, there you go. It doesn't work. Being polite and informative "hurts the cause" just as much as being a douchebag. Case in point, we're going in complete circles.

Do you see why I don't bother, Afrebecht? Everything you told me, from a neurophysiological point of view, is complete hogwash.

So that's why I come down on people like a hurricane sometimes. Even if I am right, the other person is never gonna admit it. So there's no point in communicating non-barbarically. At this point, the only point to me continuing these asinine and pointless conversations is to amuse myself.

So that's what I'm doing.

Welcome to the real world.
User avatar #143 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
First, I was referring the generic "cause" that you would pursue in a given discussion, not this one specifically.
Second, being civilized just means using societally accepted language and protocol in discussion (not, for instance, calling people "fucking liars")
Third, actually you are bothering, so no I don't see why you don't bother. If you didn't bother you wouldn't be here for me to disagree with.
Lastly, ok? I mean what's your point? I'm an idiot for trying to help someone find a better way of using their frustration and failing?

OH NO! MY life is ruined? What do you want from me here?
User avatar #144 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
There's nothing I want from you, Alrebecht. You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding. Is that another one of those useless social conventions you're going to try to beat me to death with?

Like I said, I'm amusing myself. Isn't that, in part, why people talk to each other? You know, another one of those social conventions you're determined to hammer into my brain?

And what, do you honestly think I've running around cursing out everyone I've ever met in life whenever I disagreed with them? I'm talking to a bunch of fuckin' 14-year-olds, dude. You know, the idiots who thumb shit like "nigger nigger nigger" for no other reason than because it's a bad word?

Dude, all this concern for social convention... DO YOU KNOW WHICH SITE YOU'RE ON? This conversation is becoming INSANE.

But again, there's no "cause". And please spare me the Dale Carnegie routine. I used his name without being prompted for it, so I clearly have a rough understanding of How to Win Friends and Influence People.
User avatar #145 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
"You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding."

wat. Where did that come from.

Also, I've never read it. Any good?
#136 - A person is the sum of all their actions and words. Not the on… 04/10/2014 on Wall St.Journal Declares... 0
#135 - 1) you didn't offend me, I'm hardier than that. 2) I agree…  [+] (7 new replies) 04/10/2014 on Wall St.Journal Declares... 0
User avatar #139 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
You know, Alfrebecht, it's interesting that you say I'm hurting my own cause. It brings to bear an important problem with talking to people about politics and the like.

You're basically implying that I would have better luck with persuading people if I was polite and focused only on the facts, right?

I used to believe that, too. Then science proved me wrong.

"Maybe not. Recently, a few political scientists have begun to discover a human tendency deeply discouraging to anyone with faith in the power of information. It’s this: Facts don’t necessarily have the power to change our minds. In fact, quite the opposite. In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. Facts, they found, were not curing misinformation. Like an underpowered antibiotic, facts could actually make misinformation even stronger."

www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/

You see? I know my methodology isn't going to change anything. I'm just venting frustration with a political system which is utterly broken in the main because people like you would rather complain about form than address the substance. That's the only reason politics is the way it is today.

That's where you and I differ. I know I'm not going to convince anybody of anything. You seem to think to maybe politeness and facts works better. Hate to say it, buck-o, but you're wrong. In the real world, people really are just that fuckin' stubborn.

Let's be clear, though--wage disparity isn't my "cause." I'm honestly not worried about that "cause". Like you said, the disparity is largely reversing itself and will probably reverse itself fully in the next 30 years without any government action whatsoever. Societies evolve.
User avatar #140 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
I never said anything about facts.
User avatar #141 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
Also, I didn't say anything about the disparity's movement?
User avatar #142 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
You mentioned my "cause." The only political subject of interest, the only potential "cause" of mine which I'm "hurting," would be income disparity.

Of course you mentioned facts. You said I'm hurting my own cause by being "uncivilized," right? Isn't the implication to be "civilized" and focus on facts and not acrimony? Well, there you go. It doesn't work. Being polite and informative "hurts the cause" just as much as being a douchebag. Case in point, we're going in complete circles.

Do you see why I don't bother, Afrebecht? Everything you told me, from a neurophysiological point of view, is complete hogwash.

So that's why I come down on people like a hurricane sometimes. Even if I am right, the other person is never gonna admit it. So there's no point in communicating non-barbarically. At this point, the only point to me continuing these asinine and pointless conversations is to amuse myself.

So that's what I'm doing.

Welcome to the real world.
User avatar #143 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
First, I was referring the generic "cause" that you would pursue in a given discussion, not this one specifically.
Second, being civilized just means using societally accepted language and protocol in discussion (not, for instance, calling people "fucking liars")
Third, actually you are bothering, so no I don't see why you don't bother. If you didn't bother you wouldn't be here for me to disagree with.
Lastly, ok? I mean what's your point? I'm an idiot for trying to help someone find a better way of using their frustration and failing?

OH NO! MY life is ruined? What do you want from me here?
User avatar #144 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
There's nothing I want from you, Alrebecht. You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding. Is that another one of those useless social conventions you're going to try to beat me to death with?

Like I said, I'm amusing myself. Isn't that, in part, why people talk to each other? You know, another one of those social conventions you're determined to hammer into my brain?

And what, do you honestly think I've running around cursing out everyone I've ever met in life whenever I disagreed with them? I'm talking to a bunch of fuckin' 14-year-olds, dude. You know, the idiots who thumb shit like "nigger nigger nigger" for no other reason than because it's a bad word?

Dude, all this concern for social convention... DO YOU KNOW WHICH SITE YOU'RE ON? This conversation is becoming INSANE.

But again, there's no "cause". And please spare me the Dale Carnegie routine. I used his name without being prompted for it, so I clearly have a rough understanding of How to Win Friends and Influence People.
User avatar #145 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
"You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding."

wat. Where did that come from.

Also, I've never read it. Any good?
#132 - Well, that answers my earlier question. Your only goal is to b…  [+] (11 new replies) 04/10/2014 on Wall St.Journal Declares... 0
User avatar #134 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
Here's a few samples of me being perfectly polite in giving an answer.

I don't mind you pointing out that I'm not always the nicest guy in the world, but for the record, if your REAL concern was how I talked to people, you'd have gone looking for these examples yourself. They aren't hard to find on my page and there's plenty more like them.

www.funnyjunk.com/Abnormal+doesn+t+mean+worse/funny-pictures/5085930/37#37
www.funnyjunk.com/Top+Lel/funny-pictures/4958585/48#48
www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4263420/Oh+America/334#334
www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4184155/Heh+Obama/4#4
User avatar #136 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
A person is the sum of all their actions and words. Not the ones they pick and choose.
And negativity is what people will remember. It's not a right or wrong, it's just basic psychology.

So if you want people to listen to you in earnest, you need to consider how you speak to them <all> the time. Like I said before, what is your goal when you talk to people. It's always important to ask yourself that.
User avatar #133 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
Wow, your feelings must be hurt if you're implying that I'm "uncivilized." I'm sorry you feel that I've treated your opinions, what, barbarically? Is that the implication?

I've got no problem with YOU, dude.

My problem is that people LIKE you like to disregard FACTS and then when they get caught doing it, they want to change to subject to things like, oh, you know, HOW the answer is phrased instead of WHAT the answer is. You see? It's not YOU I have a problem with you. It's how you ACT. Hate the sin, love the sinner, ya dig? I do apologize for the misinterpretation.

But I don't have a problem with you. If you honestly feel hurt because of my words, please know that I'm sorry. I don't think you're less than human or anything of that. In fact, I'm sure that you contribute to this being a better world in some way or another and I appreciate you and all that you do.

But I still think you're wrong and I still think you're changing the subject to keep from admitting that there is, in fact, a socioeconomic trend evident in America's economy and it deserves to be mentioned.
User avatar #135 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
1) you didn't offend me, I'm hardier than that.
2) I agree there is evident disparity between the wages of men and women that Sowell is skimming over.

I think you're missing my main point. When people in this thread have disagreed with you you've come down on them like a hurricane. I'm just trying to encourage you to be more delicate in phrasing NOT because it hurts their feelings but because it hurts YOUR cause.
User avatar #139 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
You know, Alfrebecht, it's interesting that you say I'm hurting my own cause. It brings to bear an important problem with talking to people about politics and the like.

You're basically implying that I would have better luck with persuading people if I was polite and focused only on the facts, right?

I used to believe that, too. Then science proved me wrong.

"Maybe not. Recently, a few political scientists have begun to discover a human tendency deeply discouraging to anyone with faith in the power of information. It’s this: Facts don’t necessarily have the power to change our minds. In fact, quite the opposite. In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. Facts, they found, were not curing misinformation. Like an underpowered antibiotic, facts could actually make misinformation even stronger."

www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/

You see? I know my methodology isn't going to change anything. I'm just venting frustration with a political system which is utterly broken in the main because people like you would rather complain about form than address the substance. That's the only reason politics is the way it is today.

That's where you and I differ. I know I'm not going to convince anybody of anything. You seem to think to maybe politeness and facts works better. Hate to say it, buck-o, but you're wrong. In the real world, people really are just that fuckin' stubborn.

Let's be clear, though--wage disparity isn't my "cause." I'm honestly not worried about that "cause". Like you said, the disparity is largely reversing itself and will probably reverse itself fully in the next 30 years without any government action whatsoever. Societies evolve.
User avatar #140 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
I never said anything about facts.
User avatar #141 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
Also, I didn't say anything about the disparity's movement?
User avatar #142 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
You mentioned my "cause." The only political subject of interest, the only potential "cause" of mine which I'm "hurting," would be income disparity.

Of course you mentioned facts. You said I'm hurting my own cause by being "uncivilized," right? Isn't the implication to be "civilized" and focus on facts and not acrimony? Well, there you go. It doesn't work. Being polite and informative "hurts the cause" just as much as being a douchebag. Case in point, we're going in complete circles.

Do you see why I don't bother, Afrebecht? Everything you told me, from a neurophysiological point of view, is complete hogwash.

So that's why I come down on people like a hurricane sometimes. Even if I am right, the other person is never gonna admit it. So there's no point in communicating non-barbarically. At this point, the only point to me continuing these asinine and pointless conversations is to amuse myself.

So that's what I'm doing.

Welcome to the real world.
User avatar #143 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
First, I was referring the generic "cause" that you would pursue in a given discussion, not this one specifically.
Second, being civilized just means using societally accepted language and protocol in discussion (not, for instance, calling people "fucking liars")
Third, actually you are bothering, so no I don't see why you don't bother. If you didn't bother you wouldn't be here for me to disagree with.
Lastly, ok? I mean what's your point? I'm an idiot for trying to help someone find a better way of using their frustration and failing?

OH NO! MY life is ruined? What do you want from me here?
User avatar #144 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
There's nothing I want from you, Alrebecht. You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding. Is that another one of those useless social conventions you're going to try to beat me to death with?

Like I said, I'm amusing myself. Isn't that, in part, why people talk to each other? You know, another one of those social conventions you're determined to hammer into my brain?

And what, do you honestly think I've running around cursing out everyone I've ever met in life whenever I disagreed with them? I'm talking to a bunch of fuckin' 14-year-olds, dude. You know, the idiots who thumb shit like "nigger nigger nigger" for no other reason than because it's a bad word?

Dude, all this concern for social convention... DO YOU KNOW WHICH SITE YOU'RE ON? This conversation is becoming INSANE.

But again, there's no "cause". And please spare me the Dale Carnegie routine. I used his name without being prompted for it, so I clearly have a rough understanding of How to Win Friends and Influence People.
User avatar #145 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
"You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding."

wat. Where did that come from.

Also, I've never read it. Any good?
#129 - I was never discussing the "topic" in the first plac…  [+] (13 new replies) 04/10/2014 on Wall St.Journal Declares... 0
User avatar #131 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
No you're not, you fuckin' liar. You didn't even bother mentioning that until half-way through the fuckin' thread.

Tip your fedora and keep it movin'.
User avatar #132 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
Well, that answers my earlier question. Your only goal is to be right.

Look man, if you want people to engage in civilized discussion with you, you need to be civilized with them.

Otherwise the only partisan present is you.
User avatar #134 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
Here's a few samples of me being perfectly polite in giving an answer.

I don't mind you pointing out that I'm not always the nicest guy in the world, but for the record, if your REAL concern was how I talked to people, you'd have gone looking for these examples yourself. They aren't hard to find on my page and there's plenty more like them.

www.funnyjunk.com/Abnormal+doesn+t+mean+worse/funny-pictures/5085930/37#37
www.funnyjunk.com/Top+Lel/funny-pictures/4958585/48#48
www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4263420/Oh+America/334#334
www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4184155/Heh+Obama/4#4
User avatar #136 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
A person is the sum of all their actions and words. Not the ones they pick and choose.
And negativity is what people will remember. It's not a right or wrong, it's just basic psychology.

So if you want people to listen to you in earnest, you need to consider how you speak to them <all> the time. Like I said before, what is your goal when you talk to people. It's always important to ask yourself that.
User avatar #133 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
Wow, your feelings must be hurt if you're implying that I'm "uncivilized." I'm sorry you feel that I've treated your opinions, what, barbarically? Is that the implication?

I've got no problem with YOU, dude.

My problem is that people LIKE you like to disregard FACTS and then when they get caught doing it, they want to change to subject to things like, oh, you know, HOW the answer is phrased instead of WHAT the answer is. You see? It's not YOU I have a problem with you. It's how you ACT. Hate the sin, love the sinner, ya dig? I do apologize for the misinterpretation.

But I don't have a problem with you. If you honestly feel hurt because of my words, please know that I'm sorry. I don't think you're less than human or anything of that. In fact, I'm sure that you contribute to this being a better world in some way or another and I appreciate you and all that you do.

But I still think you're wrong and I still think you're changing the subject to keep from admitting that there is, in fact, a socioeconomic trend evident in America's economy and it deserves to be mentioned.
User avatar #135 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
1) you didn't offend me, I'm hardier than that.
2) I agree there is evident disparity between the wages of men and women that Sowell is skimming over.

I think you're missing my main point. When people in this thread have disagreed with you you've come down on them like a hurricane. I'm just trying to encourage you to be more delicate in phrasing NOT because it hurts their feelings but because it hurts YOUR cause.
User avatar #139 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
You know, Alfrebecht, it's interesting that you say I'm hurting my own cause. It brings to bear an important problem with talking to people about politics and the like.

You're basically implying that I would have better luck with persuading people if I was polite and focused only on the facts, right?

I used to believe that, too. Then science proved me wrong.

"Maybe not. Recently, a few political scientists have begun to discover a human tendency deeply discouraging to anyone with faith in the power of information. It’s this: Facts don’t necessarily have the power to change our minds. In fact, quite the opposite. In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. Facts, they found, were not curing misinformation. Like an underpowered antibiotic, facts could actually make misinformation even stronger."

www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/

You see? I know my methodology isn't going to change anything. I'm just venting frustration with a political system which is utterly broken in the main because people like you would rather complain about form than address the substance. That's the only reason politics is the way it is today.

That's where you and I differ. I know I'm not going to convince anybody of anything. You seem to think to maybe politeness and facts works better. Hate to say it, buck-o, but you're wrong. In the real world, people really are just that fuckin' stubborn.

Let's be clear, though--wage disparity isn't my "cause." I'm honestly not worried about that "cause". Like you said, the disparity is largely reversing itself and will probably reverse itself fully in the next 30 years without any government action whatsoever. Societies evolve.
User avatar #140 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
I never said anything about facts.
User avatar #141 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
Also, I didn't say anything about the disparity's movement?
User avatar #142 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
You mentioned my "cause." The only political subject of interest, the only potential "cause" of mine which I'm "hurting," would be income disparity.

Of course you mentioned facts. You said I'm hurting my own cause by being "uncivilized," right? Isn't the implication to be "civilized" and focus on facts and not acrimony? Well, there you go. It doesn't work. Being polite and informative "hurts the cause" just as much as being a douchebag. Case in point, we're going in complete circles.

Do you see why I don't bother, Afrebecht? Everything you told me, from a neurophysiological point of view, is complete hogwash.

So that's why I come down on people like a hurricane sometimes. Even if I am right, the other person is never gonna admit it. So there's no point in communicating non-barbarically. At this point, the only point to me continuing these asinine and pointless conversations is to amuse myself.

So that's what I'm doing.

Welcome to the real world.
User avatar #143 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
First, I was referring the generic "cause" that you would pursue in a given discussion, not this one specifically.
Second, being civilized just means using societally accepted language and protocol in discussion (not, for instance, calling people "fucking liars")
Third, actually you are bothering, so no I don't see why you don't bother. If you didn't bother you wouldn't be here for me to disagree with.
Lastly, ok? I mean what's your point? I'm an idiot for trying to help someone find a better way of using their frustration and failing?

OH NO! MY life is ruined? What do you want from me here?
User avatar #144 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
There's nothing I want from you, Alrebecht. You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding. Is that another one of those useless social conventions you're going to try to beat me to death with?

Like I said, I'm amusing myself. Isn't that, in part, why people talk to each other? You know, another one of those social conventions you're determined to hammer into my brain?

And what, do you honestly think I've running around cursing out everyone I've ever met in life whenever I disagreed with them? I'm talking to a bunch of fuckin' 14-year-olds, dude. You know, the idiots who thumb shit like "nigger nigger nigger" for no other reason than because it's a bad word?

Dude, all this concern for social convention... DO YOU KNOW WHICH SITE YOU'RE ON? This conversation is becoming INSANE.

But again, there's no "cause". And please spare me the Dale Carnegie routine. I used his name without being prompted for it, so I clearly have a rough understanding of How to Win Friends and Influence People.
User avatar #145 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
"You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding."

wat. Where did that come from.

Also, I've never read it. Any good?
#128 - "You done bitchin'?" What are you looking f…  [+] (15 new replies) 04/10/2014 on Wall St.Journal Declares... 0
User avatar #130 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
We're both talking to someone we're sure isn't gonna change his mind about anything, so if you're wondering what would compel a person to chat with a stranger to no avail, ask it to the mirror. I'm sure my response would be just about the same.

And don't bother me with that nonsense about winning people to my side. I've read Dale Carnegie's book, too, but I also know that I'm on FunnyJunk where the average user is probably no older than 14. I'm not getting anything done here regardless of how kind or polite or nice or sensitive or whatever-the-fuck I am.

Case in point, you STILL haven't just said "Oh, yeah, that trend exists, fair enough," and you're asking me why I'm acting like talking to some of these idiots is pointless?

Well, I'll tell you what--when I get off the computer and go back to talking to adults like I usually do, I'll probably revert to my normal, polite demeanor and you'll still have trouble admitting the truth about things.

That's why I don't bother. It won't change anything. You're clearly wrong and instead of just admitting it, you'd rather discuss how hurt your feelings are.

And you're confused as to why I'm not more sensitive to your bullshit. Fuckin' laughable.
User avatar #129 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
I was never discussing the "topic" in the first place. I'm trying to help you find a way to communicate that will get people to listen to you.
User avatar #131 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
No you're not, you fuckin' liar. You didn't even bother mentioning that until half-way through the fuckin' thread.

Tip your fedora and keep it movin'.
User avatar #132 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
Well, that answers my earlier question. Your only goal is to be right.

Look man, if you want people to engage in civilized discussion with you, you need to be civilized with them.

Otherwise the only partisan present is you.
User avatar #134 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
Here's a few samples of me being perfectly polite in giving an answer.

I don't mind you pointing out that I'm not always the nicest guy in the world, but for the record, if your REAL concern was how I talked to people, you'd have gone looking for these examples yourself. They aren't hard to find on my page and there's plenty more like them.

www.funnyjunk.com/Abnormal+doesn+t+mean+worse/funny-pictures/5085930/37#37
www.funnyjunk.com/Top+Lel/funny-pictures/4958585/48#48
www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4263420/Oh+America/334#334
www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4184155/Heh+Obama/4#4
User avatar #136 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
A person is the sum of all their actions and words. Not the ones they pick and choose.
And negativity is what people will remember. It's not a right or wrong, it's just basic psychology.

So if you want people to listen to you in earnest, you need to consider how you speak to them <all> the time. Like I said before, what is your goal when you talk to people. It's always important to ask yourself that.
User avatar #133 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
Wow, your feelings must be hurt if you're implying that I'm "uncivilized." I'm sorry you feel that I've treated your opinions, what, barbarically? Is that the implication?

I've got no problem with YOU, dude.

My problem is that people LIKE you like to disregard FACTS and then when they get caught doing it, they want to change to subject to things like, oh, you know, HOW the answer is phrased instead of WHAT the answer is. You see? It's not YOU I have a problem with you. It's how you ACT. Hate the sin, love the sinner, ya dig? I do apologize for the misinterpretation.

But I don't have a problem with you. If you honestly feel hurt because of my words, please know that I'm sorry. I don't think you're less than human or anything of that. In fact, I'm sure that you contribute to this being a better world in some way or another and I appreciate you and all that you do.

But I still think you're wrong and I still think you're changing the subject to keep from admitting that there is, in fact, a socioeconomic trend evident in America's economy and it deserves to be mentioned.
User avatar #135 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
1) you didn't offend me, I'm hardier than that.
2) I agree there is evident disparity between the wages of men and women that Sowell is skimming over.

I think you're missing my main point. When people in this thread have disagreed with you you've come down on them like a hurricane. I'm just trying to encourage you to be more delicate in phrasing NOT because it hurts their feelings but because it hurts YOUR cause.
User avatar #139 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
You know, Alfrebecht, it's interesting that you say I'm hurting my own cause. It brings to bear an important problem with talking to people about politics and the like.

You're basically implying that I would have better luck with persuading people if I was polite and focused only on the facts, right?

I used to believe that, too. Then science proved me wrong.

"Maybe not. Recently, a few political scientists have begun to discover a human tendency deeply discouraging to anyone with faith in the power of information. It’s this: Facts don’t necessarily have the power to change our minds. In fact, quite the opposite. In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. Facts, they found, were not curing misinformation. Like an underpowered antibiotic, facts could actually make misinformation even stronger."

www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/

You see? I know my methodology isn't going to change anything. I'm just venting frustration with a political system which is utterly broken in the main because people like you would rather complain about form than address the substance. That's the only reason politics is the way it is today.

That's where you and I differ. I know I'm not going to convince anybody of anything. You seem to think to maybe politeness and facts works better. Hate to say it, buck-o, but you're wrong. In the real world, people really are just that fuckin' stubborn.

Let's be clear, though--wage disparity isn't my "cause." I'm honestly not worried about that "cause". Like you said, the disparity is largely reversing itself and will probably reverse itself fully in the next 30 years without any government action whatsoever. Societies evolve.
User avatar #140 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
I never said anything about facts.
User avatar #141 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
Also, I didn't say anything about the disparity's movement?
User avatar #142 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
You mentioned my "cause." The only political subject of interest, the only potential "cause" of mine which I'm "hurting," would be income disparity.

Of course you mentioned facts. You said I'm hurting my own cause by being "uncivilized," right? Isn't the implication to be "civilized" and focus on facts and not acrimony? Well, there you go. It doesn't work. Being polite and informative "hurts the cause" just as much as being a douchebag. Case in point, we're going in complete circles.

Do you see why I don't bother, Afrebecht? Everything you told me, from a neurophysiological point of view, is complete hogwash.

So that's why I come down on people like a hurricane sometimes. Even if I am right, the other person is never gonna admit it. So there's no point in communicating non-barbarically. At this point, the only point to me continuing these asinine and pointless conversations is to amuse myself.

So that's what I'm doing.

Welcome to the real world.
User avatar #143 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
First, I was referring the generic "cause" that you would pursue in a given discussion, not this one specifically.
Second, being civilized just means using societally accepted language and protocol in discussion (not, for instance, calling people "fucking liars")
Third, actually you are bothering, so no I don't see why you don't bother. If you didn't bother you wouldn't be here for me to disagree with.
Lastly, ok? I mean what's your point? I'm an idiot for trying to help someone find a better way of using their frustration and failing?

OH NO! MY life is ruined? What do you want from me here?
User avatar #144 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
There's nothing I want from you, Alrebecht. You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding. Is that another one of those useless social conventions you're going to try to beat me to death with?

Like I said, I'm amusing myself. Isn't that, in part, why people talk to each other? You know, another one of those social conventions you're determined to hammer into my brain?

And what, do you honestly think I've running around cursing out everyone I've ever met in life whenever I disagreed with them? I'm talking to a bunch of fuckin' 14-year-olds, dude. You know, the idiots who thumb shit like "nigger nigger nigger" for no other reason than because it's a bad word?

Dude, all this concern for social convention... DO YOU KNOW WHICH SITE YOU'RE ON? This conversation is becoming INSANE.

But again, there's no "cause". And please spare me the Dale Carnegie routine. I used his name without being prompted for it, so I clearly have a rough understanding of How to Win Friends and Influence People.
User avatar #145 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
"You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding."

wat. Where did that come from.

Also, I've never read it. Any good?
#126 - " You god damn propagandists and your ******** …  [+] (17 new replies) 04/10/2014 on Wall St.Journal Declares... 0
User avatar #127 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
No, that's not hate. Hate is "fuck you, you're a piece of shit libtard, etc." I didn't say anything nasty about you except for the bit about you being a propaganda artist, but considering the fact that we're talking about your feelings (about being "hated") instead of the subject, it's not something I'm going to feel bad about.

I know this country has gotten very politically correct, but it's still not considered hate when you're criticized, especially when you're being unjustly criticized.

And considering how much damage propaganda has done to this country, in the past and in the present, I think it's only fair to be a little frustrated with propagandists like you.

You done bitchin'?
User avatar #128 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
"You done bitchin'?"

What are you looking for as an outcome here? For me to come around to your way of thinking, or just to be right?

Achieving change comes from winning people to your side. Convincing people that they will be ridiculed and undermine when they speak with you only makes them go elsewhere.
User avatar #130 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
We're both talking to someone we're sure isn't gonna change his mind about anything, so if you're wondering what would compel a person to chat with a stranger to no avail, ask it to the mirror. I'm sure my response would be just about the same.

And don't bother me with that nonsense about winning people to my side. I've read Dale Carnegie's book, too, but I also know that I'm on FunnyJunk where the average user is probably no older than 14. I'm not getting anything done here regardless of how kind or polite or nice or sensitive or whatever-the-fuck I am.

Case in point, you STILL haven't just said "Oh, yeah, that trend exists, fair enough," and you're asking me why I'm acting like talking to some of these idiots is pointless?

Well, I'll tell you what--when I get off the computer and go back to talking to adults like I usually do, I'll probably revert to my normal, polite demeanor and you'll still have trouble admitting the truth about things.

That's why I don't bother. It won't change anything. You're clearly wrong and instead of just admitting it, you'd rather discuss how hurt your feelings are.

And you're confused as to why I'm not more sensitive to your bullshit. Fuckin' laughable.
User avatar #129 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
I was never discussing the "topic" in the first place. I'm trying to help you find a way to communicate that will get people to listen to you.
User avatar #131 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
No you're not, you fuckin' liar. You didn't even bother mentioning that until half-way through the fuckin' thread.

Tip your fedora and keep it movin'.
User avatar #132 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
Well, that answers my earlier question. Your only goal is to be right.

Look man, if you want people to engage in civilized discussion with you, you need to be civilized with them.

Otherwise the only partisan present is you.
User avatar #134 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
Here's a few samples of me being perfectly polite in giving an answer.

I don't mind you pointing out that I'm not always the nicest guy in the world, but for the record, if your REAL concern was how I talked to people, you'd have gone looking for these examples yourself. They aren't hard to find on my page and there's plenty more like them.

www.funnyjunk.com/Abnormal+doesn+t+mean+worse/funny-pictures/5085930/37#37
www.funnyjunk.com/Top+Lel/funny-pictures/4958585/48#48
www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4263420/Oh+America/334#334
www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4184155/Heh+Obama/4#4
User avatar #136 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
A person is the sum of all their actions and words. Not the ones they pick and choose.
And negativity is what people will remember. It's not a right or wrong, it's just basic psychology.

So if you want people to listen to you in earnest, you need to consider how you speak to them <all> the time. Like I said before, what is your goal when you talk to people. It's always important to ask yourself that.
User avatar #133 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
Wow, your feelings must be hurt if you're implying that I'm "uncivilized." I'm sorry you feel that I've treated your opinions, what, barbarically? Is that the implication?

I've got no problem with YOU, dude.

My problem is that people LIKE you like to disregard FACTS and then when they get caught doing it, they want to change to subject to things like, oh, you know, HOW the answer is phrased instead of WHAT the answer is. You see? It's not YOU I have a problem with you. It's how you ACT. Hate the sin, love the sinner, ya dig? I do apologize for the misinterpretation.

But I don't have a problem with you. If you honestly feel hurt because of my words, please know that I'm sorry. I don't think you're less than human or anything of that. In fact, I'm sure that you contribute to this being a better world in some way or another and I appreciate you and all that you do.

But I still think you're wrong and I still think you're changing the subject to keep from admitting that there is, in fact, a socioeconomic trend evident in America's economy and it deserves to be mentioned.
User avatar #135 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
1) you didn't offend me, I'm hardier than that.
2) I agree there is evident disparity between the wages of men and women that Sowell is skimming over.

I think you're missing my main point. When people in this thread have disagreed with you you've come down on them like a hurricane. I'm just trying to encourage you to be more delicate in phrasing NOT because it hurts their feelings but because it hurts YOUR cause.
User avatar #139 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
You know, Alfrebecht, it's interesting that you say I'm hurting my own cause. It brings to bear an important problem with talking to people about politics and the like.

You're basically implying that I would have better luck with persuading people if I was polite and focused only on the facts, right?

I used to believe that, too. Then science proved me wrong.

"Maybe not. Recently, a few political scientists have begun to discover a human tendency deeply discouraging to anyone with faith in the power of information. It’s this: Facts don’t necessarily have the power to change our minds. In fact, quite the opposite. In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. Facts, they found, were not curing misinformation. Like an underpowered antibiotic, facts could actually make misinformation even stronger."

www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/

You see? I know my methodology isn't going to change anything. I'm just venting frustration with a political system which is utterly broken in the main because people like you would rather complain about form than address the substance. That's the only reason politics is the way it is today.

That's where you and I differ. I know I'm not going to convince anybody of anything. You seem to think to maybe politeness and facts works better. Hate to say it, buck-o, but you're wrong. In the real world, people really are just that fuckin' stubborn.

Let's be clear, though--wage disparity isn't my "cause." I'm honestly not worried about that "cause". Like you said, the disparity is largely reversing itself and will probably reverse itself fully in the next 30 years without any government action whatsoever. Societies evolve.
User avatar #140 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
I never said anything about facts.
User avatar #141 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
Also, I didn't say anything about the disparity's movement?
User avatar #142 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
You mentioned my "cause." The only political subject of interest, the only potential "cause" of mine which I'm "hurting," would be income disparity.

Of course you mentioned facts. You said I'm hurting my own cause by being "uncivilized," right? Isn't the implication to be "civilized" and focus on facts and not acrimony? Well, there you go. It doesn't work. Being polite and informative "hurts the cause" just as much as being a douchebag. Case in point, we're going in complete circles.

Do you see why I don't bother, Afrebecht? Everything you told me, from a neurophysiological point of view, is complete hogwash.

So that's why I come down on people like a hurricane sometimes. Even if I am right, the other person is never gonna admit it. So there's no point in communicating non-barbarically. At this point, the only point to me continuing these asinine and pointless conversations is to amuse myself.

So that's what I'm doing.

Welcome to the real world.
User avatar #143 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
First, I was referring the generic "cause" that you would pursue in a given discussion, not this one specifically.
Second, being civilized just means using societally accepted language and protocol in discussion (not, for instance, calling people "fucking liars")
Third, actually you are bothering, so no I don't see why you don't bother. If you didn't bother you wouldn't be here for me to disagree with.
Lastly, ok? I mean what's your point? I'm an idiot for trying to help someone find a better way of using their frustration and failing?

OH NO! MY life is ruined? What do you want from me here?
User avatar #144 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
There's nothing I want from you, Alrebecht. You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding. Is that another one of those useless social conventions you're going to try to beat me to death with?

Like I said, I'm amusing myself. Isn't that, in part, why people talk to each other? You know, another one of those social conventions you're determined to hammer into my brain?

And what, do you honestly think I've running around cursing out everyone I've ever met in life whenever I disagreed with them? I'm talking to a bunch of fuckin' 14-year-olds, dude. You know, the idiots who thumb shit like "nigger nigger nigger" for no other reason than because it's a bad word?

Dude, all this concern for social convention... DO YOU KNOW WHICH SITE YOU'RE ON? This conversation is becoming INSANE.

But again, there's no "cause". And please spare me the Dale Carnegie routine. I used his name without being prompted for it, so I clearly have a rough understanding of How to Win Friends and Influence People.
User avatar #145 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
"You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding."

wat. Where did that come from.

Also, I've never read it. Any good?
#26 - If you can calm your hate for a second. Sowell isn't …  [+] (19 new replies) 04/10/2014 on Wall St.Journal Declares... 0
User avatar #110 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
Not once did Mr. Sowell affirm that there is an unjustified inequity in wages between males and females. He did, however, seem to attack the notion by giving only one example of the inequity in wages and implying that it's perfectly justified considering how many more hours male doctors work than female doctors. No mention of the fact that female cashiers make less money than male cashier, or that female nurses make less than male nurses, etc., with nothing to misinterpret; they simply make less.

And don't call my agitation with propaganda "hate". You god damn propagandists and your bullshit. There was nothing hateful about calling an obvious hack an obvious hack.

Stop justifying partisan hackery. Time to think for ourselves.
User avatar #126 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
" You god damn propagandists and your bullshit."

That's hate man. If you want people to listen to you and actually change their opinions you need to adopt a less aggressive tone. Otherwise the only people listening will be the people who already agree with you.
User avatar #127 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
No, that's not hate. Hate is "fuck you, you're a piece of shit libtard, etc." I didn't say anything nasty about you except for the bit about you being a propaganda artist, but considering the fact that we're talking about your feelings (about being "hated") instead of the subject, it's not something I'm going to feel bad about.

I know this country has gotten very politically correct, but it's still not considered hate when you're criticized, especially when you're being unjustly criticized.

And considering how much damage propaganda has done to this country, in the past and in the present, I think it's only fair to be a little frustrated with propagandists like you.

You done bitchin'?
User avatar #128 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
"You done bitchin'?"

What are you looking for as an outcome here? For me to come around to your way of thinking, or just to be right?

Achieving change comes from winning people to your side. Convincing people that they will be ridiculed and undermine when they speak with you only makes them go elsewhere.
User avatar #130 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
We're both talking to someone we're sure isn't gonna change his mind about anything, so if you're wondering what would compel a person to chat with a stranger to no avail, ask it to the mirror. I'm sure my response would be just about the same.

And don't bother me with that nonsense about winning people to my side. I've read Dale Carnegie's book, too, but I also know that I'm on FunnyJunk where the average user is probably no older than 14. I'm not getting anything done here regardless of how kind or polite or nice or sensitive or whatever-the-fuck I am.

Case in point, you STILL haven't just said "Oh, yeah, that trend exists, fair enough," and you're asking me why I'm acting like talking to some of these idiots is pointless?

Well, I'll tell you what--when I get off the computer and go back to talking to adults like I usually do, I'll probably revert to my normal, polite demeanor and you'll still have trouble admitting the truth about things.

That's why I don't bother. It won't change anything. You're clearly wrong and instead of just admitting it, you'd rather discuss how hurt your feelings are.

And you're confused as to why I'm not more sensitive to your bullshit. Fuckin' laughable.
User avatar #129 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
I was never discussing the "topic" in the first place. I'm trying to help you find a way to communicate that will get people to listen to you.
User avatar #131 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
No you're not, you fuckin' liar. You didn't even bother mentioning that until half-way through the fuckin' thread.

Tip your fedora and keep it movin'.
User avatar #132 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
Well, that answers my earlier question. Your only goal is to be right.

Look man, if you want people to engage in civilized discussion with you, you need to be civilized with them.

Otherwise the only partisan present is you.
User avatar #134 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
Here's a few samples of me being perfectly polite in giving an answer.

I don't mind you pointing out that I'm not always the nicest guy in the world, but for the record, if your REAL concern was how I talked to people, you'd have gone looking for these examples yourself. They aren't hard to find on my page and there's plenty more like them.

www.funnyjunk.com/Abnormal+doesn+t+mean+worse/funny-pictures/5085930/37#37
www.funnyjunk.com/Top+Lel/funny-pictures/4958585/48#48
www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4263420/Oh+America/334#334
www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4184155/Heh+Obama/4#4
User avatar #136 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
A person is the sum of all their actions and words. Not the ones they pick and choose.
And negativity is what people will remember. It's not a right or wrong, it's just basic psychology.

So if you want people to listen to you in earnest, you need to consider how you speak to them <all> the time. Like I said before, what is your goal when you talk to people. It's always important to ask yourself that.
User avatar #133 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
Wow, your feelings must be hurt if you're implying that I'm "uncivilized." I'm sorry you feel that I've treated your opinions, what, barbarically? Is that the implication?

I've got no problem with YOU, dude.

My problem is that people LIKE you like to disregard FACTS and then when they get caught doing it, they want to change to subject to things like, oh, you know, HOW the answer is phrased instead of WHAT the answer is. You see? It's not YOU I have a problem with you. It's how you ACT. Hate the sin, love the sinner, ya dig? I do apologize for the misinterpretation.

But I don't have a problem with you. If you honestly feel hurt because of my words, please know that I'm sorry. I don't think you're less than human or anything of that. In fact, I'm sure that you contribute to this being a better world in some way or another and I appreciate you and all that you do.

But I still think you're wrong and I still think you're changing the subject to keep from admitting that there is, in fact, a socioeconomic trend evident in America's economy and it deserves to be mentioned.
User avatar #135 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
1) you didn't offend me, I'm hardier than that.
2) I agree there is evident disparity between the wages of men and women that Sowell is skimming over.

I think you're missing my main point. When people in this thread have disagreed with you you've come down on them like a hurricane. I'm just trying to encourage you to be more delicate in phrasing NOT because it hurts their feelings but because it hurts YOUR cause.
User avatar #139 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
You know, Alfrebecht, it's interesting that you say I'm hurting my own cause. It brings to bear an important problem with talking to people about politics and the like.

You're basically implying that I would have better luck with persuading people if I was polite and focused only on the facts, right?

I used to believe that, too. Then science proved me wrong.

"Maybe not. Recently, a few political scientists have begun to discover a human tendency deeply discouraging to anyone with faith in the power of information. It’s this: Facts don’t necessarily have the power to change our minds. In fact, quite the opposite. In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. Facts, they found, were not curing misinformation. Like an underpowered antibiotic, facts could actually make misinformation even stronger."

www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/

You see? I know my methodology isn't going to change anything. I'm just venting frustration with a political system which is utterly broken in the main because people like you would rather complain about form than address the substance. That's the only reason politics is the way it is today.

That's where you and I differ. I know I'm not going to convince anybody of anything. You seem to think to maybe politeness and facts works better. Hate to say it, buck-o, but you're wrong. In the real world, people really are just that fuckin' stubborn.

Let's be clear, though--wage disparity isn't my "cause." I'm honestly not worried about that "cause". Like you said, the disparity is largely reversing itself and will probably reverse itself fully in the next 30 years without any government action whatsoever. Societies evolve.
User avatar #140 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
I never said anything about facts.
User avatar #141 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
Also, I didn't say anything about the disparity's movement?
User avatar #142 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
You mentioned my "cause." The only political subject of interest, the only potential "cause" of mine which I'm "hurting," would be income disparity.

Of course you mentioned facts. You said I'm hurting my own cause by being "uncivilized," right? Isn't the implication to be "civilized" and focus on facts and not acrimony? Well, there you go. It doesn't work. Being polite and informative "hurts the cause" just as much as being a douchebag. Case in point, we're going in complete circles.

Do you see why I don't bother, Afrebecht? Everything you told me, from a neurophysiological point of view, is complete hogwash.

So that's why I come down on people like a hurricane sometimes. Even if I am right, the other person is never gonna admit it. So there's no point in communicating non-barbarically. At this point, the only point to me continuing these asinine and pointless conversations is to amuse myself.

So that's what I'm doing.

Welcome to the real world.
User avatar #143 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
First, I was referring the generic "cause" that you would pursue in a given discussion, not this one specifically.
Second, being civilized just means using societally accepted language and protocol in discussion (not, for instance, calling people "fucking liars")
Third, actually you are bothering, so no I don't see why you don't bother. If you didn't bother you wouldn't be here for me to disagree with.
Lastly, ok? I mean what's your point? I'm an idiot for trying to help someone find a better way of using their frustration and failing?

OH NO! MY life is ruined? What do you want from me here?
User avatar #144 - bodasion (04/10/2014) [-]
There's nothing I want from you, Alrebecht. You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding. Is that another one of those useless social conventions you're going to try to beat me to death with?

Like I said, I'm amusing myself. Isn't that, in part, why people talk to each other? You know, another one of those social conventions you're determined to hammer into my brain?

And what, do you honestly think I've running around cursing out everyone I've ever met in life whenever I disagreed with them? I'm talking to a bunch of fuckin' 14-year-olds, dude. You know, the idiots who thumb shit like "nigger nigger nigger" for no other reason than because it's a bad word?

Dude, all this concern for social convention... DO YOU KNOW WHICH SITE YOU'RE ON? This conversation is becoming INSANE.

But again, there's no "cause". And please spare me the Dale Carnegie routine. I used his name without being prompted for it, so I clearly have a rough understanding of How to Win Friends and Influence People.
User avatar #145 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
"You seem to be operating under the delusion that I'm the one who has to stop responding."

wat. Where did that come from.

Also, I've never read it. Any good?
#48 - You don't actually cook do you? ***** do… 04/10/2014 on Cooking +6
#303 - Picture  [+] (1 new reply) 04/10/2014 on Things to Make You Feel Old +1
User avatar #325 - caet (04/10/2014) [-]
There were no porn websites when i was 7
#301 - No. No I was not.  [+] (3 new replies) 04/10/2014 on Things to Make You Feel Old 0
User avatar #302 - angreif (04/10/2014) [-]
Yeah... I wasn't either.
#303 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
User avatar #325 - caet (04/10/2014) [-]
There were no porn websites when i was 7
#299 - Not his fault.... Explicitly. He did adult movies (to…  [+] (5 new replies) 04/10/2014 on Things to Make You Feel Old 0
User avatar #300 - angreif (04/10/2014) [-]
fair enough. also, weren't you watching porn at 7?
User avatar #301 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
No.
No I was not.
User avatar #302 - angreif (04/10/2014) [-]
Yeah... I wasn't either.
#303 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
User avatar #325 - caet (04/10/2014) [-]
There were no porn websites when i was 7
#296 - **** , that became a feels post about halfway down… 04/10/2014 on Things to Make You Feel Old +4
#387 - sure it does. It helps the larger society. I'm not sa…  [+] (1 new reply) 04/10/2014 on F*ck the poor? 0
User avatar #603 - WHATTHEPISSTRAINE (04/11/2014) [-]
Try small donations to shelters, Taxes are always wasted, and every dollar to a local shelter you can afford to give Helps society as a whole
#240 - Caring about the poor isn't the same as caring for the poor. …  [+] (3 new replies) 04/10/2014 on F*ck the poor? +3
User avatar #263 - WHATTHEPISSTRAINE (04/10/2014) [-]
Leaving someone to starve is worse than killing them quickly, Inaction helps nobody
User avatar #387 - alfrebecht (04/10/2014) [-]
sure it does. It helps the larger society.

I'm not saying we're not capable of doing better now, but if the societal impetus were always to drag the destitute with you, then individuals would never reach great heights.

The poor need to be helped on a societal, not individual, level through good management of taxes towards shelters, etc.
User avatar #603 - WHATTHEPISSTRAINE (04/11/2014) [-]
Try small donations to shelters, Taxes are always wasted, and every dollar to a local shelter you can afford to give Helps society as a whole
#91 - Nowhere are you allowed to shoot someone because of sexual har… 04/09/2014 on Back in the day +1
#23 - Not in most places you aren't. Even where it is legal…  [+] (2 new replies) 04/09/2014 on Back in the day +7
#50 - ftsfts (04/09/2014) [-]
Well technically this is sexual harassment so depending on the state it could hold up because women's rights
User avatar #91 - alfrebecht (04/09/2014) [-]
Nowhere are you allowed to shoot someone because of sexual harassment.

Assault yes, but not harassment.
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