Hes does not make compromises. How does it contradict logic? Unwillingness to make compromises dosent mean stubborn, he can adjust when it dosent mean helping synths or other plagues of wasteland. He has ideals of codex to uphold, ignore some, uphold others and you are a hipocrate.
Oh yes, and he probably built his ship, weapons and loyalty of his men by screaming "I am MAXSON" really loudly over and over. Yes his name helped, but it only gets you so far even with the best of supporting structures.
Your arguments gets weak.

True, I could see some Hillary supporters swinging towards Sanders if he got the nomination, but I can't see the opposite occurring. Sanders gets a lot of his support from his anti-establishment sort of stance he has, which Hillary is a perfect example of.

I agree about your point on Trump/Cruz. Time will tell.

He is nothing but logical, mixed with unwillingness to make compromises. He leads an elite group which helps commonwealth the best he can - not with building governments, which are not his or brotherhoods aspect, but purging the enemies of human civilization. If he was so incompetent, then how would he have been elected at age of 16!, where he rejoined split factions of the brotherhood restoring unity.
Oh how original, refer to authoritarian rule as fascism where it is only one instance of it. Minuteman are exactly the kind of group they would support.
Lets not play this "He will probably" game. its useless.

You can do your own homework.
They are given a set of rules to live by, rules which work, rules, that has seen these "wrongheaded incompetents" to survive more than hundred years. Is there anyone who is competent from your "let anyone make their own choices" perspective. people who make their own choices without any restraint u can find among raiders and gunners most often.
Plenty of synths out there going on random killing sprees. Any "future" of mankind, which involves purposfully sacrificing humans, is not worth having. And what is their goal, to replace humans with robots. How could that go wrong?
Killing all the mutants and abominations - yeah, they do nothing, why do common people eaven need minutemen then? And someone has to preserve the technology. Who would be better at it?

"He's nothing but logical, he's just super stubborn". Really? You seriously don't see the contradiction here?
He was elected at age 16 and was able to reunite the Brotherhood probably by using some cunning but mostly by relying on his name, one that belonged to the very founder of the Brotherhood to begin with. With the BoS being so vulnerable to fanaticism, it'd be a no-brainer for someone within the Maxson bloodline to gain favoritism over everyone else.

Hes does not make compromises. How does it contradict logic? Unwillingness to make compromises dosent mean stubborn, he can adjust when it dosent mean helping synths or other plagues of wasteland. He has ideals of codex to uphold, ignore some, uphold others and you are a hipocrate.
Oh yes, and he probably built his ship, weapons and loyalty of his men by screaming "I am MAXSON" really loudly over and over. Yes his name helped, but it only gets you so far even with the best of supporting structures.
Your arguments gets weak.

You say narrow-minded tyrant, I say a man with impeccable sense of purpose who wont make any compromises if he has to stray from the path. It is not a path that spares your emotions, it is a path that gets things done.
Maxson knew him and was undoubtedly on good terms with him and i hated to do it, but he was a mimic of human being, and he himself embraced this truth.
Minuteman are a joke, sure they mean well, but they are to diverse and spread out to actually do anything long term, it will revert back after the captain is taken down. And institute is an abomination.
Maxson gives you the most he can give, after all you are not doing it to get pats on the back. He is a leader, and you are the muscle, which is the order of things.

Maxson's incapable of any pragmatic thought that a leader really needs, and that's why he's as doomed as the Railroad is with their own narrow-minded obsessions.
The Minutemen are at least focused on establishing settlements and building something other than a super-military. Maxson doesn't even so much as intend to focus on establishing government, and would rather uselessly shell raiders, mutants, and people he believes to be synths purely because they're synths.
The Minutemen spread out thin, sure, but the key thing is that once settlements build up far enough, they'll become self-reliant and won't need to keep calling for backup from an HQ which Maxson's techno-fascist group would keep facing. And with the BoS in fanatical support of one leader such as Maxson, the moment he's taken out will be the moment things get hectic for them. He might just end up distrusting his fellow brotherhood members such that an uprising is held up against him to begin with anyway.

He is nothing but logical, mixed with unwillingness to make compromises. He leads an elite group which helps commonwealth the best he can - not with building governments, which are not his or brotherhoods aspect, but purging the enemies of human civilization. If he was so incompetent, then how would he have been elected at age of 16!, where he rejoined split factions of the brotherhood restoring unity.
Oh how original, refer to authoritarian rule as fascism where it is only one instance of it. Minuteman are exactly the kind of group they would support.
Lets not play this "He will probably" game. its useless.

You can do your own homework.
They are given a set of rules to live by, rules which work, rules, that has seen these "wrongheaded incompetents" to survive more than hundred years. Is there anyone who is competent from your "let anyone make their own choices" perspective. people who make their own choices without any restraint u can find among raiders and gunners most often.
Plenty of synths out there going on random killing sprees. Any "future" of mankind, which involves purposfully sacrificing humans, is not worth having. And what is their goal, to replace humans with robots. How could that go wrong?
Killing all the mutants and abominations - yeah, they do nothing, why do common people eaven need minutemen then? And someone has to preserve the technology. Who would be better at it?

"He's nothing but logical, he's just super stubborn". Really? You seriously don't see the contradiction here?
He was elected at age 16 and was able to reunite the Brotherhood probably by using some cunning but mostly by relying on his name, one that belonged to the very founder of the Brotherhood to begin with. With the BoS being so vulnerable to fanaticism, it'd be a no-brainer for someone within the Maxson bloodline to gain favoritism over everyone else.

Hes does not make compromises. How does it contradict logic? Unwillingness to make compromises dosent mean stubborn, he can adjust when it dosent mean helping synths or other plagues of wasteland. He has ideals of codex to uphold, ignore some, uphold others and you are a hipocrate.
Oh yes, and he probably built his ship, weapons and loyalty of his men by screaming "I am MAXSON" really loudly over and over. Yes his name helped, but it only gets you so far even with the best of supporting structures.
Your arguments gets weak.

I wonder if the hair's like that because of the helmet or if it's always like that.

>Not sucking Caesar's dick

Bet you loved being the faction's leader in 2 hours in Skyrim

Cool stuff that you could easily find just lying around the Wasteland.

Ad victorium

That's the best part of the Brotherhood of Steel, even from a "main character that gets to do anything" perspective they're very easy to manipulate for personal gain. An entire New Vegas DLC campaign is based around the exploits of a man that basically made them his private security so he can fuck around curiously in old buildings.

And only their people. The same can be said for the Enclave, or any Raider gang.

There is no honor or strength in extorting the populace, and forcing yourself upon them unwarranted.

There is no intelligence or honor in over generalization and genocide of sentient peoples. These mainly being synths and ghouls. It's ignorant and evil.

You're either our protector, our our conqueror.

Maxson means he wants to protect his people as in everyone in the commonwealth not just BoS.They are nothing like the enclave and raiders.

They also have a good reason to be against synths and feral ghouls,they are a huge threat to the commonwealth and ignoring them will just cause more problems.Synths fucking kill living humans and replace them for a soulless counterparts ,how can you honestly trust something like that.I know not all of them are bad but do you honestly think that you can trust something that has done more bad then good.

>More bad than good

Yeah you haven't met very many synths. And thinking all ghouls are feral is just fucked up. Maxson doesn't care about the welfare of the Commonwealth, he only cares about his own ideas. The Commonwealth didn't asked to be oppressed by this regime.

It's not synths, it's the institute. Treating all synths as the same is prejudice, and committing this ignorant genocide is unforgivable. Treating all ghouls as ferals is also prejudice, and dehumization of human beings, also unforgivable.

I trust a synth the same way I trust any other human, on a case by case basis. Not by jumping to conclusions, not by assuming one synth courser represents the whole.

If more bad than good is a standard you use, you shouldn't be siding with the Enclave of Steel.

I dislike the Brotherhood for the same reasons you do, but I have to disagree with you one one important point. I think that Elder Maxson actually does care for the welfare of the Commonwealth and its people. He's not just some petty tyrant who justifies a power grab by saying it's for the great good. His ideals may be wrong on so many levels, but I think Maxson honestly believes that what he's doing is what's best for the Commonwealth.

>Ignoring what happened in diamond city

I feel you haven't the mayor of diamond city is one and look what an asshole he turned out to be .BoS has nothing against non feral Ghouls,most of them are even 200 years old.Maxsons Ideas are of what will benefit the commonwealth.

And as sad as this sounds it is still both fault.The institute can reprogram the synths anytime they feel like it.The person you love the most ,that despite being a synth,will simply forget all that once someone from the institute decided that they should be something else or better yet try to kill you.

Im sorry but synths do not have the same free will as we do.No amount of codes will force you to forget why you are (or what you believe you are).They should be treated as something else not human,you can still show it respect,but don't be fooled into believing its human.

They're not human, but they're still people. They deserve more than your fucking gas chamber. Also...

>Saying synths just don't have the same free will as humans, from an organization of sheep following a lunatic, top kek.

I ignore what happened in Diamond City, because that was an isolated coincidence. Using that a reason to generalize over an entire people is post hoc fallacy. A synth glitched out and went on a shooting so what? You know humans glitch out a lot more than synths and attack people? We just call those mental disorders. Are you going to exterminate all humans now because of 1 or 2 isolated cases?

The institute can only "reprogram" a synth is if they have physical access to it. If they never get to that synth, then the synth never stops being a person. And that only pushes for the case that the institute should be stopped. They just want to oppress the entire synth people. Basically you have Egyptian slave masters on one side, Nazi holocaust on the other, I choose neither.

If a synth does all the same exact things a human does, be sentient, have emotions, have desires, have dreams, have beliefs, loves things, fears things, be conscious, then you just as "human" to me as anyone else is.

Let go of your hate. There is absolutely no justification on committing genocide against an entire people. Only ignorance, superstition, and hypocrisy.

Sorry dude but its not that simple.

>How dare I show admiration to something I like by doing things I love.I am soo braindead.

And ignoring a problem isn't going to make it go away.Also there are ways of helping people with mental illness such as medicine or therapy.If a human was to be cought committing these things they'd be sent to a mental institution.You can't help a synth that same way you can just shut one off and reprogram it.

The institute has records of all the synths that have escaped so it's not long enough untill they find them and reprogram them ;-;.And simply stopping the institute isn't going to stop the damage that has been done.

I don't really hate them,I just don't trust them,especially around people.

I don't see how not wanting to commit genocide on the innocent is "ignoring the problem". There isn't a synth problem, there's just a institute problem.

And no, people normally imprison or execute people that are guilty of such things. That being when a mental illness causes 1 shooting you're so obsessed about.

Who cares what the Institute have records on? The Railroad already knows that, that's why they go to such great lengths to hide them. Memory wipes, name changes (obviously), facial reconstructions etc. If we stop the institute, then they can't do anything so that point is irrelevant.

>And simply stopping the institute isn't going to stop the damage that has been done.

Well no shit Sherlock, we can't time travel and change the past. But I think we all agree, the past is over. Wanting to punish all synths for crimes most of them were never even guilty of committing is just evil.

I don't see why you distrust synths any more or any less than you distrust humans. Considering that humans have done a lot more wrong than synths ever have. Like committing genocide on the innocent, extorting communities, imperialism. Funny because the Enclave and this Enclave of Steel chapter are guilty of all 3 of these things!

A synth has never done anything, that another human has done 100x worse. Humans are far more guilty than synths are, and yet we don't generalize them, why do you think that is?

If you think oppression, genocide, or invading where you aren't wanted are logical solutions, then you're a narcissistic, psychotic fool.

The problem with Synths is that they are more dangerous on a conceptual level than any nuclear bomb or military superweapon. The Institute is dangerous not because they are some evil, hidden new world order bent on taking control of the world, but because they are simply and purely dedicated to the advancement of science without any regard for the consequences.

The destruction of the Synths, of all Synths is vital simply because of the risk that someone might be able to replicate the Institute's advanced level of technology and this individual, or organization may have more nefarious ideals in mind than the simple unadulterated advancement of science.

Are Synths truly people? I'd say yes. Completely. Which is, among other reasons why they need to be purged as quickly as possible. It was never the Brotherhood's goal to commit genocide. It's simply a means to an end, and that end being the ensured and continued survival of humanity, and what remains of human civilization after the Great War. The quicker this unsavoury task is committed, the less unsavoury it is.

The Brotherhood has always been about one thing, and one thing only. The preservation of mankind by limiting their access to harmful technologies. That's why they've committed every resource they have to scouring the Commonwealth for Synths. Why Elder Maxson would wage war against them despite knowing full well that his own faction will take heavy losses in this war.

I'll be honest, I don't think I'm going to change your opinion on the matter. In truth, I don't really want to. I just want to give a clearer picture of what people on the other side think. That's one of the things about Fallout. Every faction, every group, they all have their reasons to do what they do. Be that the Master and his Super Mutants, the Enclave, the Legion, hell, even the Institute. It's all justifiable. Maybe not to you, maybe not to me, but to someone out there it is. That's the beauty of the Fallout Games. Nobody's ever completely in the right, and nobody's ever completely in the wrong. At the end of the day, it all falls to personal preference. Even if you can't choose that faction in-game, you can (and people do) always root for them out of game.

For one, there's nothing to suggest synths would be responsible for the downfall of humanity any more than anyone else. If the institute is destroyed, it is borderline impossible to emulate anything they created. The sheer complexity and miraculous scientific achievement, is simply not something you can do in just any meth lab. And synths aren't terminators, and they never will be as long as we treat them like the sentient beings they are.

The ends justify the means? What justifies the ends? There have never been good people who did evil things in the name of good, those were just more evil people.

Nah dawg I also like most of the people in BoS :3