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#218 - LAAAAAWWWHHH!? 17 hours ago on Motorcycle girl vs litterers 0
#92 - Here, learn you some. 09/17/2014 on A more complete explanation... +1
#171 - And they can lose that free will. And so can organics. Both be… 09/17/2014 on The Only Way to End It 0
#170 - Did you completely forget about Indoctrination and how it work…  [+] (1 new reply) 09/17/2014 on The Only Way to End It 0
#172 - nahbro (17 hours ago) [-]
I don't think Saren ever said that's what he was told. In all of his rambling speeches, it sounded like he seemed to have come up with that idea himself.

Yeah- but that was done subtly, as all indoctrination is. It was presented as a very straight, simple choice at the end of ME3.

I said I didn't think it would be able to lie well. Please remember to read.

Besides which, if it was going to mind-control Shepard anyway, why bother letting him choose at all? Why not just make the decision by itself? Why not just have a Reaper blow the weapon apart and assure themselves of victory? Why not stop Shepard once it was sure he was going to pick Destroy?

Lol, sorry, but your arguments really just make no sense. Also, being able to kill does not automatically mean you can lie. Those two things are completely and utterly different and I have no idea why you're trying to compare the two.
#160 - Tell that to the Geth under the effects of the Reaper code.  [+] (3 new replies) 09/17/2014 on The Only Way to End It 0
User avatar #166 - herecomesjohnny (09/17/2014) [-]
so synthetics aren't capable?
User avatar #167 - herecomesjohnny (09/17/2014) [-]
point being, they can be. In fact the whole story of mass effect 3 is pondering about free will and how synthetics have earned it
User avatar #171 - adrianking (09/17/2014) [-]
And they can lose that free will. And so can organics. Both because of the Reapers.

You know what that means? That means any ending that doesn't involve the destruction of the Reapers is the wrong ending.
#91 - I would have taken it. I would have accepted not having any ki… 09/16/2014 on The Only Way to End It 0
#89 - **** EA. They didn't make the game. 09/16/2014 on The Only Way to End It 0
#88 - The reapers didn't want destruction. Their entire purpose was … 09/16/2014 on The Only Way to End It -2
#85 - People rage against synthesis because it's ******* …  [+] (3 new replies) 09/16/2014 on The Only Way to End It +1
#168 - nahbro (09/17/2014) [-]
Of course it's stupid space magic. So is most of the mass effect technology.

Different, but now they're capable of understanding each other on a fundamental level. But they're still not the same.

The Catalyst is an computer program NOT AN AI. I doubt it's able to lie so well. Besides which, we do have the ending that has EDI pretty solidly assuring us that life has gotten better and it sure looks like everyone has their free will. If the Catalyst wanted control of all organic life, all it would have to do would be to NOT let Shepard pick any of the options, which it's capable of doing as seen in the ending where you shoot at it.
User avatar #170 - adrianking (09/17/2014) [-]
Did you completely forget about Indoctrination and how it works?

Remember how the Reapers assured Saren that they wouldn't wipe out all sentient life? Remember how they led TIM to believe that he could control them?

Are you really gonna sit there and tell me that the Catalyst isn't capable of lying? Of course he's gonna lie. That's what he does. He doesn't have to be an AI, all he has is a goal and is told to solve it no matter what. And when every sentient being in the galaxy is implanted with Reaper technology, I bet it'd be pretty easy to upload the dystopian "you are happy, you shall submit" program.

I know you don't want to believe your canon ending potentially doomed the entire Galaxy to brainwashing and stagnation, but don't try to defend your decision by telling me that the being that orchestrated the deaths of quadrillions of lives across the Galaxy is incapable of lying. That's childish.
#172 - nahbro (17 hours ago) [-]
I don't think Saren ever said that's what he was told. In all of his rambling speeches, it sounded like he seemed to have come up with that idea himself.

Yeah- but that was done subtly, as all indoctrination is. It was presented as a very straight, simple choice at the end of ME3.

I said I didn't think it would be able to lie well. Please remember to read.

Besides which, if it was going to mind-control Shepard anyway, why bother letting him choose at all? Why not just make the decision by itself? Why not just have a Reaper blow the weapon apart and assure themselves of victory? Why not stop Shepard once it was sure he was going to pick Destroy?

Lol, sorry, but your arguments really just make no sense. Also, being able to kill does not automatically mean you can lie. Those two things are completely and utterly different and I have no idea why you're trying to compare the two.
#81 - The Reapers want to make machine-flesh hybrids out of all adva…  [+] (6 new replies) 09/16/2014 on The Only Way to End It 0
#82 - nahbro (09/16/2014) [-]
The Reapers are essentially mind-controlled by a computer program.

Tell me again how you played the games?...

Besides which, people keep their individuality, their civilisations, their minds. They also become immortal. EDI and the geth become truly alive. It's implied people gain the intelligence of AIs.

Everything, absolutely everything about society will change. Whether that's good or bad is up for debate, but imo that's the main reason people rage against synthesis.
#129 - ddoggdiggity (09/16/2014) [-]
no they dont look at the protheans did u play the game bro
User avatar #85 - adrianking (09/16/2014) [-]
People rage against synthesis because it's fucking stupid space-magic.

Lemme put it to you this way: in order for synthesis to "solve" the organic-synthetic problem is for every organic life-form in the entire Galaxy to be converted into a part-synthetic lifeform. All life. That includes the fucking grass. How? What, did that wave of energy put silicone into everyone's DNA?

And for that matter, do you even know what the whole message of the games are? Diversity leads to strength, as well as leads to conflict. Synthetics and organics begin to fight not because they are simply synthetics and organics, but because they are fundamentally different. The only way to completely bring an end to all violence, all conflict, is to either completely homogenize everyone and everything, making them all exactly the same, or to control them. Synthesis is well on its way to making that dystopia a reality.

And why do you believe that people will keep their free will? If they keep their free will, they'll go into conflict again, so Synthesis is pointless. Did you believe it because an AI which has been systematically murdering quadrillions of lives in the Galaxy assured you that would be the case? Bullshit. The Catalyst wanted control over all organic life so as to end conflict forever, and you handed that control over to it on a silver platter.

But hey, at least you didn't have to feel bad about EDI and the Geth, eh?
#168 - nahbro (09/17/2014) [-]
Of course it's stupid space magic. So is most of the mass effect technology.

Different, but now they're capable of understanding each other on a fundamental level. But they're still not the same.

The Catalyst is an computer program NOT AN AI. I doubt it's able to lie so well. Besides which, we do have the ending that has EDI pretty solidly assuring us that life has gotten better and it sure looks like everyone has their free will. If the Catalyst wanted control of all organic life, all it would have to do would be to NOT let Shepard pick any of the options, which it's capable of doing as seen in the ending where you shoot at it.
User avatar #170 - adrianking (09/17/2014) [-]
Did you completely forget about Indoctrination and how it works?

Remember how the Reapers assured Saren that they wouldn't wipe out all sentient life? Remember how they led TIM to believe that he could control them?

Are you really gonna sit there and tell me that the Catalyst isn't capable of lying? Of course he's gonna lie. That's what he does. He doesn't have to be an AI, all he has is a goal and is told to solve it no matter what. And when every sentient being in the galaxy is implanted with Reaper technology, I bet it'd be pretty easy to upload the dystopian "you are happy, you shall submit" program.

I know you don't want to believe your canon ending potentially doomed the entire Galaxy to brainwashing and stagnation, but don't try to defend your decision by telling me that the being that orchestrated the deaths of quadrillions of lives across the Galaxy is incapable of lying. That's childish.
#172 - nahbro (17 hours ago) [-]
I don't think Saren ever said that's what he was told. In all of his rambling speeches, it sounded like he seemed to have come up with that idea himself.

Yeah- but that was done subtly, as all indoctrination is. It was presented as a very straight, simple choice at the end of ME3.

I said I didn't think it would be able to lie well. Please remember to read.

Besides which, if it was going to mind-control Shepard anyway, why bother letting him choose at all? Why not just make the decision by itself? Why not just have a Reaper blow the weapon apart and assure themselves of victory? Why not stop Shepard once it was sure he was going to pick Destroy?

Lol, sorry, but your arguments really just make no sense. Also, being able to kill does not automatically mean you can lie. Those two things are completely and utterly different and I have no idea why you're trying to compare the two.

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