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#168 - 2/2 So, onto my humble counter-opinion. You're making this…  [+] (2 new replies) 10/28/2014 on 'Merica +2
#209 - youregaylol (10/28/2014) [-]
1/2

To address the first part i have only a few things to say. Less than 30 percent of minimum wage workers have kids, that put's a major dent in the family of four number (assuming it was correct).

Studies have show that states with minimum wage increases had little to effect on combating poverty, and that only 11% of minimum wage benefactors live in poor households. That;s with an adjustment from 7.25 to 9.50, lower than your proposed 10.10. Conversely 42% of those people would be making three times the poverty line, well above the USA's median household income.

www.people.vcu.edu/~lrazzolini/GR2010.pdf

In addition using the best method of inflation $10.10 is still considered abnormally high in a historical context.
www.economics21.org/commentary/how-solid-case-raising-minimum-wage

And finally, all of this is meaningless because not all jobs are meant to support a family of four, two cars, and a house. Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs made to allow people with little to no skills to gain experience and work their way up. As I said before, you have roughly 40 years at the minimum of work ahead of you and your only opinion is minimum wage? I doubt that.

That brings me to the second part. When it comes to your career (once again 40+ years) poor oversight is a very, very shitty excuse. Maybe you can be stuck doing it a for a few years to pay your bills, but there comes a point where you can plan for your future with the many programs the government offers to increase your skillset.

If you're laid off you might be forced for awhile, but don't tell me that you will be forced to keep working there for more than 6 months if you have any kind experience or education. If you can't find another job after that amount of time my original point stands, go back to school and get a new set of skills. If people without jobs can qualify so can you.
#211 - youregaylol (10/28/2014) [-]
I have no idea what you're talking about in regards to veterans considering our unemployment rate is like a third of a regular citizens, meaning we're three times as likely to find a job. No, I have never seen a vet work at a minimum wage job, either they reenlisted if they didn't think they were going to make it on the outside, they got a job in the private sector, or they went to school on the G.I. Bill.

In regards to injured vets, and actually to all of those with obvious physical and mental handicaps, I don't think they should be required to work at all if they have a severe disability, but that doesn't have anything to do with raising the minimum wage for able bodied people.

Criminals get career counseling in prison to decide what they're going to do once they get out, in fact to receive parol you usually need to have a job waiting for you, or a school. Many colleges are stationed near prisons for just that reason, and I think all prisons allow you to take courses on the inside. The background check thing would still effect minimum wage employers like it does non minimum wage employers, the fact is people don't want to hire convicts. That's just how it works.

I think we can both agree (unless you don't live in same world that I live in) that the Cali economy is not a standard for the rest of the nation. Texas sticks with 7.25 or 7.50 I believe and they're in much better shape on all fronts than California.

This is just a case of personal responsibility. You have your whole life ahead of you, if you want to be successful you can be. Nobody stays in minimum wage unless they refuse to change their circumstances. I personally want to keep minimum wage as it is, kids need a place where they can learn what it's like to work and the value of a dollar. I guarantee you that if you start raising it to 10-15 dollars an hour you wont see places hiring pimple faced teens anymore.
#166 - 1/2 To preface this, the minimum wage was established in 1…  [+] (3 new replies) 10/28/2014 on 'Merica +2
#168 - actarius (10/28/2014) [-]
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So, onto my humble counter-opinion. You're making this appear to be very black and white, when nearly no real world issue is black and white.

If I understood you correctly, and please correct if I am wrong, the foundation of your argument is that people should have the proper foresight to plan their lives and, if someone ends up in a poor situation, the responsibility to fix said problem lies on the shoulders of that person.

Unfortunately proper foresight is nearly impossible to achieve unless one has an abnormally lucky life, or has knowledge of future events. There are a number of reasons why one may be forced into minimum wage. The most common reason is lay-offs. People who may have jobs may be laid off, which forces them to find a replacement job to sustain their life, especially if they have a family. Some people cannot afford a move to a new job, or they cannot take the risk of being unemployed with a family to support.

Another common reason is the poor treatment of veterans. As a military man I am sure you know plenty how veterans are treated in our country, many of which have physical or mental handicaps prohibiting them from functioning well outside of a minimum wage job.

Yet another is criminals. These people may have messed up their life earlier, but so many struggle to find anything past minimum wage due to background checks. It is also impossible for these people to join the military, and many cannot earn a degree unless they happen to have a college within their parole/probation radius.

While I agree that many people use and abuse the system, there is no reason to cripple an entire class based on the actions of a few, instead of using the abusers as a counterargument to raising the minimum wage, perhaps something should be put into place to limit the number of abusers?

Anyway, many people stuck on minimum wage may be able to break free of it given a little extra push, something we're seeing in CA with their $9.00 raise to minimum wage.
#209 - youregaylol (10/28/2014) [-]
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To address the first part i have only a few things to say. Less than 30 percent of minimum wage workers have kids, that put's a major dent in the family of four number (assuming it was correct).

Studies have show that states with minimum wage increases had little to effect on combating poverty, and that only 11% of minimum wage benefactors live in poor households. That;s with an adjustment from 7.25 to 9.50, lower than your proposed 10.10. Conversely 42% of those people would be making three times the poverty line, well above the USA's median household income.

www.people.vcu.edu/~lrazzolini/GR2010.pdf

In addition using the best method of inflation $10.10 is still considered abnormally high in a historical context.
www.economics21.org/commentary/how-solid-case-raising-minimum-wage

And finally, all of this is meaningless because not all jobs are meant to support a family of four, two cars, and a house. Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs made to allow people with little to no skills to gain experience and work their way up. As I said before, you have roughly 40 years at the minimum of work ahead of you and your only opinion is minimum wage? I doubt that.

That brings me to the second part. When it comes to your career (once again 40+ years) poor oversight is a very, very shitty excuse. Maybe you can be stuck doing it a for a few years to pay your bills, but there comes a point where you can plan for your future with the many programs the government offers to increase your skillset.

If you're laid off you might be forced for awhile, but don't tell me that you will be forced to keep working there for more than 6 months if you have any kind experience or education. If you can't find another job after that amount of time my original point stands, go back to school and get a new set of skills. If people without jobs can qualify so can you.
#211 - youregaylol (10/28/2014) [-]
I have no idea what you're talking about in regards to veterans considering our unemployment rate is like a third of a regular citizens, meaning we're three times as likely to find a job. No, I have never seen a vet work at a minimum wage job, either they reenlisted if they didn't think they were going to make it on the outside, they got a job in the private sector, or they went to school on the G.I. Bill.

In regards to injured vets, and actually to all of those with obvious physical and mental handicaps, I don't think they should be required to work at all if they have a severe disability, but that doesn't have anything to do with raising the minimum wage for able bodied people.

Criminals get career counseling in prison to decide what they're going to do once they get out, in fact to receive parol you usually need to have a job waiting for you, or a school. Many colleges are stationed near prisons for just that reason, and I think all prisons allow you to take courses on the inside. The background check thing would still effect minimum wage employers like it does non minimum wage employers, the fact is people don't want to hire convicts. That's just how it works.

I think we can both agree (unless you don't live in same world that I live in) that the Cali economy is not a standard for the rest of the nation. Texas sticks with 7.25 or 7.50 I believe and they're in much better shape on all fronts than California.

This is just a case of personal responsibility. You have your whole life ahead of you, if you want to be successful you can be. Nobody stays in minimum wage unless they refuse to change their circumstances. I personally want to keep minimum wage as it is, kids need a place where they can learn what it's like to work and the value of a dollar. I guarantee you that if you start raising it to 10-15 dollars an hour you wont see places hiring pimple faced teens anymore.
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