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#127 - It's more like £23 but yeah, I'm applying this year and it's …  [+] (1 reply) 01/02/2016 on College Applications 0
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#128 - satrenkotheone (01/02/2016) [-]
I can't recall paying that at all, then again I'm from Norway but I'm sure I got a fee as well.

Hurray for £18 grand debt!
#98 - To get in anywhere worth going it is  [+] (3 replies) 01/02/2016 on College Applications +1
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#119 - satrenkotheone (01/02/2016) [-]
Wait was it really £25? I can't recall paying that.
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#127 - achillesengland (01/02/2016) [-]
It's more like £23 but yeah, I'm applying this year and it's a ballache to be honest, still working out how I'm gonna pay it
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#128 - satrenkotheone (01/02/2016) [-]
I can't recall paying that at all, then again I'm from Norway but I'm sure I got a fee as well.

Hurray for £18 grand debt!
#88 - You have to pay to apply to University in England, costs like …  [+] (5 replies) 01/02/2016 on College Applications +2
#97 - anon (01/02/2016) [-]
UCAS isn't mandatory.
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#98 - achillesengland (01/02/2016) [-]
To get in anywhere worth going it is
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#119 - satrenkotheone (01/02/2016) [-]
Wait was it really £25? I can't recall paying that.
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#127 - achillesengland (01/02/2016) [-]
It's more like £23 but yeah, I'm applying this year and it's a ballache to be honest, still working out how I'm gonna pay it
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#128 - satrenkotheone (01/02/2016) [-]
I can't recall paying that at all, then again I'm from Norway but I'm sure I got a fee as well.

Hurray for £18 grand debt!
#106 - But Connington's longswords slash would still be applicable as…  [+] (1 reply) 11/19/2013 on That Awkward Moment 0
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#107 - realreality (11/20/2013) [-]
Just like I said, Connington would still be able to execute some moves, with most likely non fatal damage but all of them would lead him open to a hammer blow in an enclosed environment. If he kept on charging like he would in a battle field, he would eventually find himself cornered by the environment and that surely would've been his end. Just because he had more options than Robert it doesn't necessarily mean that all of those options were viable.
The difference between a warrior like Ser Gregor and Robert is that because of shear his shear size and strength Gregor would just attack to over whelm and over power his opponent with repeated heavy blows, not thinking about any defensive tactics or to close his openings and before the opponent has any time to react he would find The Mountain's sword through his armor and chest but a warrior like Robert would be trained well enough to know not to make a mistake like that because against Ser Gregor a skilled warrior would be just too quick to react and would be able to finish him off within seconds. Robert, I think would've kept his guard up at all times and wouldn't just rely on brute strength alone. So in comparison we can safely deduce that Robert only was able to survive that battle because of a good defensive technique not because he was a better warrior than Lord Connington.
I do however believe that in a battle between Robert and The Mountain, Robert would surely come out on top. I think the battle would go something like, both men charging at each other and locking up at which point Robert would try to show off his strength to let Ser Gregor know that he's not fighting a light weight. Ser Gregor would feel a bit baffled and would break off, getting some distance between himself and Robert. After a few clashes Robert would've easily dodged the more fatal ones of Gregor's attacks and after the big man lost his breath he would've landed a shot to the ribs or a knee cap leaving Gregor open to the final blow.
#104 - But in Stoney Sept there still would have been a reasonable am…  [+] (3 replies) 11/18/2013 on That Awkward Moment +1
#105 - realreality (11/18/2013) [-]
Of course Robert would've had trouble maneuvering his hammer in the streets but Connington would've had an equal disadvantage because thrusting would leave him open to a hammer blow from above.Even though the thrust might or might not have killed Robert that hammer with that much momentum would've. The logical thing to do would be to tire Robert out, open up his guard and to land a fatal shot, which he didn't manage to do and because of Roberts limited maneuverability he wasn't able to land a fatal hammer and that's why, I think, the fight never ended in death but in Connington's escap.
A suitable great sword might be forged for the young lord but the skill he would've learned with that would never be transferable to a real great sword, like Ice. Maneuverability, an idea for the space available for thrusts and swings would be compromised and the shear weight difference between the sword would completely throw off someone who is used to a lighter sword. Then again a wooden or a dull blade might've been made to just teach the lad the two handed movements but training to fight with a great sword would need a real great sword or something equal in weight and size.
Regardless of my opinion of Robert Baratheon, his poor performance as a king and his exaggerated claims as a warrior, I really love the brotherhood between him and Ned. I mean, the Stag and the Wolf ... Just Amazing. I love the fact that they've been friends since childhood under the protection of Jon Aryyn and that even though Robert always has a set way of looking at things and everyone around him just wants to say Yes to the big man Ned always steps up and tries to help his friend realize his short comings which always leads to Robert going crazy and then realizes what his loyal friend was trying to tell him afterwards and then he's all like "Hey man you know that thing you were talking about I get it now and Ned's all like "Dude, don't even sweat it, that's what friends are for
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#106 - achillesengland (11/19/2013) [-]
But Connington's longswords slash would still be applicable as a warhammer is longer than a longsword therefore Connington could have either thrusted or swung giving him more chance than Robert for killing strikes and it is only out of the sheer skill in Robert's training that he survived as if you had put someone like Gregor Clegane in a situation like that I doubt he would have the skill to win as he relies on strength.
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#107 - realreality (11/20/2013) [-]
Just like I said, Connington would still be able to execute some moves, with most likely non fatal damage but all of them would lead him open to a hammer blow in an enclosed environment. If he kept on charging like he would in a battle field, he would eventually find himself cornered by the environment and that surely would've been his end. Just because he had more options than Robert it doesn't necessarily mean that all of those options were viable.
The difference between a warrior like Ser Gregor and Robert is that because of shear his shear size and strength Gregor would just attack to over whelm and over power his opponent with repeated heavy blows, not thinking about any defensive tactics or to close his openings and before the opponent has any time to react he would find The Mountain's sword through his armor and chest but a warrior like Robert would be trained well enough to know not to make a mistake like that because against Ser Gregor a skilled warrior would be just too quick to react and would be able to finish him off within seconds. Robert, I think would've kept his guard up at all times and wouldn't just rely on brute strength alone. So in comparison we can safely deduce that Robert only was able to survive that battle because of a good defensive technique not because he was a better warrior than Lord Connington.
I do however believe that in a battle between Robert and The Mountain, Robert would surely come out on top. I think the battle would go something like, both men charging at each other and locking up at which point Robert would try to show off his strength to let Ser Gregor know that he's not fighting a light weight. Ser Gregor would feel a bit baffled and would break off, getting some distance between himself and Robert. After a few clashes Robert would've easily dodged the more fatal ones of Gregor's attacks and after the big man lost his breath he would've landed a shot to the ribs or a knee cap leaving Gregor open to the final blow.
#102 - I think the fact that they were fighting in a town actually ga…  [+] (5 replies) 11/17/2013 on That Awkward Moment +1
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#103 - realreality (11/18/2013) [-]
Yes that's exactly my point the fact that they were fighting in a town makes it so that they both lose maneuverability, not only Robert. Therefore, Talent or Skill would no longer be valid variables. It's like putting two people in a really small cupord, with knifes and then telling them to kill each other, the man able to thrust first would win. I'm not saying it wasn't a victory worthy of mention I'm just saying it was "unclean".

Well, we come back to age. Robb was around 14 when he's introduced, so you have to imagine that the boy wasn't yet strong enough to handle a long sword, no matter how stocky he was and that is a rule while training, that you have to be able to handle something before you're able to train with it but as a noble I'm sure Robb was trained how to use a long sword without having actually wield one, as he was trained to use a bow and arrow etc but Robb not using a long sword in battle doesn't necessarily mean that he wouldn't have done it as he grew older I guess we'll never find out now, unless G.R.R Martin decides to perform another resurrection . Plus even Ned Stark, I'm sure didn't only use Ice for every fight. I mean, in war time with Robert, Yes, Ned would've used Ice but in the town fight with Jaime I'd imagine Ned using a longer sword would be disadvantageous if anything.
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#104 - achillesengland (11/18/2013) [-]
But in Stoney Sept there still would have been a reasonable amount of space as they are fighting in streets, it would not be so tight so that they can barely move but Robert would have definitely been at a disadvantage as you cannot thrust with a warhammer and even the swings would have to be more careful to make sure they do not hit other things. Showing his talent over someone who has an advantage.

Also, if you are training to use a sword all your life you can easily make training swords that are at the same proportions of height between the sword and wielder, so he would have just used a slightly smaller training sword as opposed to a full greatsword.
#105 - realreality (11/18/2013) [-]
Of course Robert would've had trouble maneuvering his hammer in the streets but Connington would've had an equal disadvantage because thrusting would leave him open to a hammer blow from above.Even though the thrust might or might not have killed Robert that hammer with that much momentum would've. The logical thing to do would be to tire Robert out, open up his guard and to land a fatal shot, which he didn't manage to do and because of Roberts limited maneuverability he wasn't able to land a fatal hammer and that's why, I think, the fight never ended in death but in Connington's escap.
A suitable great sword might be forged for the young lord but the skill he would've learned with that would never be transferable to a real great sword, like Ice. Maneuverability, an idea for the space available for thrusts and swings would be compromised and the shear weight difference between the sword would completely throw off someone who is used to a lighter sword. Then again a wooden or a dull blade might've been made to just teach the lad the two handed movements but training to fight with a great sword would need a real great sword or something equal in weight and size.
Regardless of my opinion of Robert Baratheon, his poor performance as a king and his exaggerated claims as a warrior, I really love the brotherhood between him and Ned. I mean, the Stag and the Wolf ... Just Amazing. I love the fact that they've been friends since childhood under the protection of Jon Aryyn and that even though Robert always has a set way of looking at things and everyone around him just wants to say Yes to the big man Ned always steps up and tries to help his friend realize his short comings which always leads to Robert going crazy and then realizes what his loyal friend was trying to tell him afterwards and then he's all like "Hey man you know that thing you were talking about I get it now and Ned's all like "Dude, don't even sweat it, that's what friends are for
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#106 - achillesengland (11/19/2013) [-]
But Connington's longswords slash would still be applicable as a warhammer is longer than a longsword therefore Connington could have either thrusted or swung giving him more chance than Robert for killing strikes and it is only out of the sheer skill in Robert's training that he survived as if you had put someone like Gregor Clegane in a situation like that I doubt he would have the skill to win as he relies on strength.
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#107 - realreality (11/20/2013) [-]
Just like I said, Connington would still be able to execute some moves, with most likely non fatal damage but all of them would lead him open to a hammer blow in an enclosed environment. If he kept on charging like he would in a battle field, he would eventually find himself cornered by the environment and that surely would've been his end. Just because he had more options than Robert it doesn't necessarily mean that all of those options were viable.
The difference between a warrior like Ser Gregor and Robert is that because of shear his shear size and strength Gregor would just attack to over whelm and over power his opponent with repeated heavy blows, not thinking about any defensive tactics or to close his openings and before the opponent has any time to react he would find The Mountain's sword through his armor and chest but a warrior like Robert would be trained well enough to know not to make a mistake like that because against Ser Gregor a skilled warrior would be just too quick to react and would be able to finish him off within seconds. Robert, I think would've kept his guard up at all times and wouldn't just rely on brute strength alone. So in comparison we can safely deduce that Robert only was able to survive that battle because of a good defensive technique not because he was a better warrior than Lord Connington.
I do however believe that in a battle between Robert and The Mountain, Robert would surely come out on top. I think the battle would go something like, both men charging at each other and locking up at which point Robert would try to show off his strength to let Ser Gregor know that he's not fighting a light weight. Ser Gregor would feel a bit baffled and would break off, getting some distance between himself and Robert. After a few clashes Robert would've easily dodged the more fatal ones of Gregor's attacks and after the big man lost his breath he would've landed a shot to the ribs or a knee cap leaving Gregor open to the final blow.
#100 - Robert is renowned as a warrior due to defeating Rhaegar and c…  [+] (7 replies) 11/17/2013 on That Awkward Moment +1
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#101 - realreality (11/17/2013) [-]
Excluding Rhaegar, Jon Connington might be the only notable person Robert defeated in battle and even then there were a lot of variables to be considered, for example the battle took place in a town, Stoney Sept, so Martial maneuverability would be extremely difficult so talent or skill would count for nothing, more or less and the presence of Robert's Allies and Jon Connington's decision not to burn the town down just add more variables to Robert's victory making it as Jaime would put it " Unclean". Another question can be raised here about Robert's martial judgement, I mean how could such a renowned warrior such as Robert Baratheon think that hiding out in a town, which could easily be have burnt to the ground ending his rebellion, was a good idea? but that's besides the point.

No, I would never insult you by disregarding any of your points because you do make a lot of good ones. The thing is that the only thing I remember is that it's mentioned that Jon's facial features look like Ned and are that of a typical Stark, like Arya is mentioned to resemble Lyanna and although both are described as "Lean" the word could have different meanings. Jon is around 14 years in the books and when Ned was part of Robert's rebellion he was close to his 20's so you could understand the difference between the definition of the word by examining the lean build of a 14 year old and the lean build of a 20 year old. Anyway, when it comes to Ned and when the word lean is mentioned it could be said that he was strong and muscular but not bulky and certainly not as bulky as Rickard or Jon Umber and in his prime I could surely see Ned using Ice in battle.
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#102 - achillesengland (11/17/2013) [-]
I think the fact that they were fighting in a town actually gave Robert a disadvantage, as Connington would be using sword and shield with the ability to thrust however Robert would be using his warhammer and have to make large swings which may be hindered by nearby buildings and ruin any momentum he gains. Therefore he must think more about his strikes and his skill would be the only thing that allowed him to win.

Also, fair point on the age difference between Jon and Eddard and so differing descriptions, I didn't think of it in that way. However I would like to put forth another point, Robb who was described as stocky and stronger than Jon did not use a two-handed sword, which you would expect if he was planning on using Ice in battle at some point once he retrieved it. If the head Stark was expected to wield Ice in battle, you would think he would train all his life with a two-handed sword however he has not evidently.
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#103 - realreality (11/18/2013) [-]
Yes that's exactly my point the fact that they were fighting in a town makes it so that they both lose maneuverability, not only Robert. Therefore, Talent or Skill would no longer be valid variables. It's like putting two people in a really small cupord, with knifes and then telling them to kill each other, the man able to thrust first would win. I'm not saying it wasn't a victory worthy of mention I'm just saying it was "unclean".

Well, we come back to age. Robb was around 14 when he's introduced, so you have to imagine that the boy wasn't yet strong enough to handle a long sword, no matter how stocky he was and that is a rule while training, that you have to be able to handle something before you're able to train with it but as a noble I'm sure Robb was trained how to use a long sword without having actually wield one, as he was trained to use a bow and arrow etc but Robb not using a long sword in battle doesn't necessarily mean that he wouldn't have done it as he grew older I guess we'll never find out now, unless G.R.R Martin decides to perform another resurrection . Plus even Ned Stark, I'm sure didn't only use Ice for every fight. I mean, in war time with Robert, Yes, Ned would've used Ice but in the town fight with Jaime I'd imagine Ned using a longer sword would be disadvantageous if anything.
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#104 - achillesengland (11/18/2013) [-]
But in Stoney Sept there still would have been a reasonable amount of space as they are fighting in streets, it would not be so tight so that they can barely move but Robert would have definitely been at a disadvantage as you cannot thrust with a warhammer and even the swings would have to be more careful to make sure they do not hit other things. Showing his talent over someone who has an advantage.

Also, if you are training to use a sword all your life you can easily make training swords that are at the same proportions of height between the sword and wielder, so he would have just used a slightly smaller training sword as opposed to a full greatsword.
#105 - realreality (11/18/2013) [-]
Of course Robert would've had trouble maneuvering his hammer in the streets but Connington would've had an equal disadvantage because thrusting would leave him open to a hammer blow from above.Even though the thrust might or might not have killed Robert that hammer with that much momentum would've. The logical thing to do would be to tire Robert out, open up his guard and to land a fatal shot, which he didn't manage to do and because of Roberts limited maneuverability he wasn't able to land a fatal hammer and that's why, I think, the fight never ended in death but in Connington's escap.
A suitable great sword might be forged for the young lord but the skill he would've learned with that would never be transferable to a real great sword, like Ice. Maneuverability, an idea for the space available for thrusts and swings would be compromised and the shear weight difference between the sword would completely throw off someone who is used to a lighter sword. Then again a wooden or a dull blade might've been made to just teach the lad the two handed movements but training to fight with a great sword would need a real great sword or something equal in weight and size.
Regardless of my opinion of Robert Baratheon, his poor performance as a king and his exaggerated claims as a warrior, I really love the brotherhood between him and Ned. I mean, the Stag and the Wolf ... Just Amazing. I love the fact that they've been friends since childhood under the protection of Jon Aryyn and that even though Robert always has a set way of looking at things and everyone around him just wants to say Yes to the big man Ned always steps up and tries to help his friend realize his short comings which always leads to Robert going crazy and then realizes what his loyal friend was trying to tell him afterwards and then he's all like "Hey man you know that thing you were talking about I get it now and Ned's all like "Dude, don't even sweat it, that's what friends are for
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#106 - achillesengland (11/19/2013) [-]
But Connington's longswords slash would still be applicable as a warhammer is longer than a longsword therefore Connington could have either thrusted or swung giving him more chance than Robert for killing strikes and it is only out of the sheer skill in Robert's training that he survived as if you had put someone like Gregor Clegane in a situation like that I doubt he would have the skill to win as he relies on strength.
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#107 - realreality (11/20/2013) [-]
Just like I said, Connington would still be able to execute some moves, with most likely non fatal damage but all of them would lead him open to a hammer blow in an enclosed environment. If he kept on charging like he would in a battle field, he would eventually find himself cornered by the environment and that surely would've been his end. Just because he had more options than Robert it doesn't necessarily mean that all of those options were viable.
The difference between a warrior like Ser Gregor and Robert is that because of shear his shear size and strength Gregor would just attack to over whelm and over power his opponent with repeated heavy blows, not thinking about any defensive tactics or to close his openings and before the opponent has any time to react he would find The Mountain's sword through his armor and chest but a warrior like Robert would be trained well enough to know not to make a mistake like that because against Ser Gregor a skilled warrior would be just too quick to react and would be able to finish him off within seconds. Robert, I think would've kept his guard up at all times and wouldn't just rely on brute strength alone. So in comparison we can safely deduce that Robert only was able to survive that battle because of a good defensive technique not because he was a better warrior than Lord Connington.
I do however believe that in a battle between Robert and The Mountain, Robert would surely come out on top. I think the battle would go something like, both men charging at each other and locking up at which point Robert would try to show off his strength to let Ser Gregor know that he's not fighting a light weight. Ser Gregor would feel a bit baffled and would break off, getting some distance between himself and Robert. After a few clashes Robert would've easily dodged the more fatal ones of Gregor's attacks and after the big man lost his breath he would've landed a shot to the ribs or a knee cap leaving Gregor open to the final blow.
#98 - My point was that Robert likes to play the victim which is why…  [+] (9 replies) 11/16/2013 on That Awkward Moment +1
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#99 - realreality (11/16/2013) [-]
Yes, Robert does like to play the victim, a trait shared by all great warriors of Westeros ? I didn't think so, therefore further proving my point that Robert was only considered a great warrior because he was well renowned to be one, not because of any special feat he had accomplished. This leads me to conclude that the Battle of the Trident might not be what people believe it to be. You know the whole history is written by the victors and all that.

Like I said that Lord Selmy was praising Rhaegar for his talents not just the martial ones. I'm in no way saying that Rhaegar was anywhere close to Lord Selmy's ability, in his prime but was he a great warrior, one matching or exceeding the martial abilities of one Robert Baratheon ? Yes, it's a great possibility.

Yes, Rickard would have thought about a trial but taking Ice wouldn't have made sense because of 2 simple reasons:
1) Rickard was too old to wield a weapon that big.
2) Using a weapon as big as Ice which was made to be used in war times in an enclosed space just doesn't make sense.

I'm sure there is an unwritten rule between warriors in the land of Westeros to return great swords if they were lost at battle out of shear respect for your enemies similar to the returning of the remains of the ones who died at war. Tywin Lannister melting down Ice was sign of disrespect, so was Mounting Grey Winds head on Robb Starks body and so was chopping up of Ned Starks body after his decapitation. Yes it's never mentioned that Ned might've been a large man but his origin being from the north and people form the north being generally large in stature which include Greatjon (Jon Umber,Who wielded a sword larger than Ice) Lord Rickard and Lord Brandon we can safely assume that even though Ned might not be large, he would've been large and strong enough to wield Ice in battle.
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#100 - achillesengland (11/17/2013) [-]
Robert is renowned as a warrior due to defeating Rhaegar and countless other great warriors, such as Jon Connington and various other Lords within battle. Also because of how he proved himself in the melee at tournaments.

The Umbers are just a large family, no point is made that the Starks are too, Brandon Stark is mentioned as being larger, stronger and better looking than Eddard but not large overall. You also seem to have disregarded my point regarding Jon Snow's likeness to Eddard, which almost certainly proves that Eddard was not large enough to wield Ice and Jon Snow is not even large enough to wear a bastard sword on his hip.
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#101 - realreality (11/17/2013) [-]
Excluding Rhaegar, Jon Connington might be the only notable person Robert defeated in battle and even then there were a lot of variables to be considered, for example the battle took place in a town, Stoney Sept, so Martial maneuverability would be extremely difficult so talent or skill would count for nothing, more or less and the presence of Robert's Allies and Jon Connington's decision not to burn the town down just add more variables to Robert's victory making it as Jaime would put it " Unclean". Another question can be raised here about Robert's martial judgement, I mean how could such a renowned warrior such as Robert Baratheon think that hiding out in a town, which could easily be have burnt to the ground ending his rebellion, was a good idea? but that's besides the point.

No, I would never insult you by disregarding any of your points because you do make a lot of good ones. The thing is that the only thing I remember is that it's mentioned that Jon's facial features look like Ned and are that of a typical Stark, like Arya is mentioned to resemble Lyanna and although both are described as "Lean" the word could have different meanings. Jon is around 14 years in the books and when Ned was part of Robert's rebellion he was close to his 20's so you could understand the difference between the definition of the word by examining the lean build of a 14 year old and the lean build of a 20 year old. Anyway, when it comes to Ned and when the word lean is mentioned it could be said that he was strong and muscular but not bulky and certainly not as bulky as Rickard or Jon Umber and in his prime I could surely see Ned using Ice in battle.
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#102 - achillesengland (11/17/2013) [-]
I think the fact that they were fighting in a town actually gave Robert a disadvantage, as Connington would be using sword and shield with the ability to thrust however Robert would be using his warhammer and have to make large swings which may be hindered by nearby buildings and ruin any momentum he gains. Therefore he must think more about his strikes and his skill would be the only thing that allowed him to win.

Also, fair point on the age difference between Jon and Eddard and so differing descriptions, I didn't think of it in that way. However I would like to put forth another point, Robb who was described as stocky and stronger than Jon did not use a two-handed sword, which you would expect if he was planning on using Ice in battle at some point once he retrieved it. If the head Stark was expected to wield Ice in battle, you would think he would train all his life with a two-handed sword however he has not evidently.
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#103 - realreality (11/18/2013) [-]
Yes that's exactly my point the fact that they were fighting in a town makes it so that they both lose maneuverability, not only Robert. Therefore, Talent or Skill would no longer be valid variables. It's like putting two people in a really small cupord, with knifes and then telling them to kill each other, the man able to thrust first would win. I'm not saying it wasn't a victory worthy of mention I'm just saying it was "unclean".

Well, we come back to age. Robb was around 14 when he's introduced, so you have to imagine that the boy wasn't yet strong enough to handle a long sword, no matter how stocky he was and that is a rule while training, that you have to be able to handle something before you're able to train with it but as a noble I'm sure Robb was trained how to use a long sword without having actually wield one, as he was trained to use a bow and arrow etc but Robb not using a long sword in battle doesn't necessarily mean that he wouldn't have done it as he grew older I guess we'll never find out now, unless G.R.R Martin decides to perform another resurrection . Plus even Ned Stark, I'm sure didn't only use Ice for every fight. I mean, in war time with Robert, Yes, Ned would've used Ice but in the town fight with Jaime I'd imagine Ned using a longer sword would be disadvantageous if anything.
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#104 - achillesengland (11/18/2013) [-]
But in Stoney Sept there still would have been a reasonable amount of space as they are fighting in streets, it would not be so tight so that they can barely move but Robert would have definitely been at a disadvantage as you cannot thrust with a warhammer and even the swings would have to be more careful to make sure they do not hit other things. Showing his talent over someone who has an advantage.

Also, if you are training to use a sword all your life you can easily make training swords that are at the same proportions of height between the sword and wielder, so he would have just used a slightly smaller training sword as opposed to a full greatsword.
#105 - realreality (11/18/2013) [-]
Of course Robert would've had trouble maneuvering his hammer in the streets but Connington would've had an equal disadvantage because thrusting would leave him open to a hammer blow from above.Even though the thrust might or might not have killed Robert that hammer with that much momentum would've. The logical thing to do would be to tire Robert out, open up his guard and to land a fatal shot, which he didn't manage to do and because of Roberts limited maneuverability he wasn't able to land a fatal hammer and that's why, I think, the fight never ended in death but in Connington's escap.
A suitable great sword might be forged for the young lord but the skill he would've learned with that would never be transferable to a real great sword, like Ice. Maneuverability, an idea for the space available for thrusts and swings would be compromised and the shear weight difference between the sword would completely throw off someone who is used to a lighter sword. Then again a wooden or a dull blade might've been made to just teach the lad the two handed movements but training to fight with a great sword would need a real great sword or something equal in weight and size.
Regardless of my opinion of Robert Baratheon, his poor performance as a king and his exaggerated claims as a warrior, I really love the brotherhood between him and Ned. I mean, the Stag and the Wolf ... Just Amazing. I love the fact that they've been friends since childhood under the protection of Jon Aryyn and that even though Robert always has a set way of looking at things and everyone around him just wants to say Yes to the big man Ned always steps up and tries to help his friend realize his short comings which always leads to Robert going crazy and then realizes what his loyal friend was trying to tell him afterwards and then he's all like "Hey man you know that thing you were talking about I get it now and Ned's all like "Dude, don't even sweat it, that's what friends are for
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#106 - achillesengland (11/19/2013) [-]
But Connington's longswords slash would still be applicable as a warhammer is longer than a longsword therefore Connington could have either thrusted or swung giving him more chance than Robert for killing strikes and it is only out of the sheer skill in Robert's training that he survived as if you had put someone like Gregor Clegane in a situation like that I doubt he would have the skill to win as he relies on strength.
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#107 - realreality (11/20/2013) [-]
Just like I said, Connington would still be able to execute some moves, with most likely non fatal damage but all of them would lead him open to a hammer blow in an enclosed environment. If he kept on charging like he would in a battle field, he would eventually find himself cornered by the environment and that surely would've been his end. Just because he had more options than Robert it doesn't necessarily mean that all of those options were viable.
The difference between a warrior like Ser Gregor and Robert is that because of shear his shear size and strength Gregor would just attack to over whelm and over power his opponent with repeated heavy blows, not thinking about any defensive tactics or to close his openings and before the opponent has any time to react he would find The Mountain's sword through his armor and chest but a warrior like Robert would be trained well enough to know not to make a mistake like that because against Ser Gregor a skilled warrior would be just too quick to react and would be able to finish him off within seconds. Robert, I think would've kept his guard up at all times and wouldn't just rely on brute strength alone. So in comparison we can safely deduce that Robert only was able to survive that battle because of a good defensive technique not because he was a better warrior than Lord Connington.
I do however believe that in a battle between Robert and The Mountain, Robert would surely come out on top. I think the battle would go something like, both men charging at each other and locking up at which point Robert would try to show off his strength to let Ser Gregor know that he's not fighting a light weight. Ser Gregor would feel a bit baffled and would break off, getting some distance between himself and Robert. After a few clashes Robert would've easily dodged the more fatal ones of Gregor's attacks and after the big man lost his breath he would've landed a shot to the ribs or a knee cap leaving Gregor open to the final blow.
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