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#41 - And that's the apathy that I was talking about before. …  [+] (1 reply) 10/10/2016 on hate 0
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#42 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
meh. like i said, i choose not to decide.
#39 - To be honest, that sounds like pride talking. And that sounds …  [+] (3 replies) 10/10/2016 on hate 0
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#40 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
whatever you say. i simply see no reason to need to know.
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#41 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
And that's the apathy that I was talking about before.

How about this for a reason. If you don't do it you risk damnation from a religion, but if you do search the you might get heaven. So there's no possible downside to searching but a very large potential downside to not searching. It's only logical to intellectually search.
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#42 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
meh. like i said, i choose not to decide.
#37 - The probability if you randomly choose is low. But it's not ra…  [+] (5 replies) 10/10/2016 on hate 0
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#38 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
not really. ignorance is bliss. if knowing helps you sleep at night that's fine, but i don't feel a need to know.
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#39 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
To be honest, that sounds like pride talking. And that sounds like a very dangerous attitude to have about anything, not just religion. I hope in time your mind will change and you will realize you are an intelligent human being who would gain much from learning about the world around you.
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#40 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
whatever you say. i simply see no reason to need to know.
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#41 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
And that's the apathy that I was talking about before.

How about this for a reason. If you don't do it you risk damnation from a religion, but if you do search the you might get heaven. So there's no possible downside to searching but a very large potential downside to not searching. It's only logical to intellectually search.
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#42 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
meh. like i said, i choose not to decide.
#35 - No more room so replying here again. But it cannot. T…  [+] (7 replies) 10/10/2016 on hate 0
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#36 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
i choose not to decide. over 3000 deities worshiped by our species, the probability that i'll choose correctly is ridiculously low, so why even place a bet? that's my philosophy on the issue. you can believe in your prophecies if you want to, every prophecy comes true at some point, if you make it vague enough, and/or base it off of what has happened in the past, since history tends to repeat itself.
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#37 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
The probability if you randomly choose is low. But it's not random. You use logic to choose by comparing every religion you can find. And I can tell you as I have done it(of course I'm still doing it, I don't claim to be a total expert on every religion yet) that Christianity stands out in every way.

Doesn't it bother you not to know? Isn't the purpose of life to figure out the purpose of life? Are you not the least bit worried you don't know what's truly right or wrong and are refusing to search and choose to assume things without checking for yourself?
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#38 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
not really. ignorance is bliss. if knowing helps you sleep at night that's fine, but i don't feel a need to know.
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#39 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
To be honest, that sounds like pride talking. And that sounds like a very dangerous attitude to have about anything, not just religion. I hope in time your mind will change and you will realize you are an intelligent human being who would gain much from learning about the world around you.
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#40 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
whatever you say. i simply see no reason to need to know.
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#41 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
And that's the apathy that I was talking about before.

How about this for a reason. If you don't do it you risk damnation from a religion, but if you do search the you might get heaven. So there's no possible downside to searching but a very large potential downside to not searching. It's only logical to intellectually search.
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#42 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
meh. like i said, i choose not to decide.
#33 - It doesn't allow anymore replies so I have to reply here. …  [+] (1 reply) 10/10/2016 on hate 0
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#34 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
all of the "evidence" that people have tried to convince me with can just as easily be attributed to any number of other deities worshiped by humans.
#31 - It wouldn't be right for a human to do it. But an all seeing G…  [+] (1 reply) 10/10/2016 on hate 0
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#32 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
i fully understand how much authority he supposedly has. and that's the part that i'm not okay with. he has all this power, so why does he care if people worship him or not? why does he deem it necessary to erase people from existence if they simply didn't think there was enough evidence to prove he existed? is he that egotistical? is he that desperate? "oh, you didn't think a book written by desert dwellers who thought the earth was a flat slab with a glass dome around it 2000 years before you were born was sufficient evidence of me, a being who can do anything it wants and could have shown itself to the world at any time with minimal effort? well, too bad, you no longer get to exist because for an insignificant period of time compared to the infinitesimal amount of time that will exist you didn't worship me." seems real fair to us humans.
#29 - Sorry, I see them as the same thing as having the ability to s…  [+] (5 replies) 10/10/2016 on hate 0
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#30 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
i just don't think it's right to erase an existence like that, even if the person was a monster in life. sending someone to purgatory to pay off their debt for the sins they committed would be one thing, but torturing them for a millennia and then wiping them from the face of creation just doesn't seem right to me.
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#33 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
It doesn't allow anymore replies so I have to reply here.

But the whims of an infinite being are hard to understand. It seems to me he wants people to choose him instead of him forcing it. So he put us in the balanced perfectly fair world so we could choose without being swayed to far to one side or the other.

Also, the bible says the Earth is a sphere, the flat Earth belief is actually a myth. And, believe it or not, there is plenty of evidence of God's existence and which religion is right. It is simply the laziness of people or their bitterness towards the idea of God(usually a warped idea with misconceptions from my experience) that keeps them from accepting what they study. God made this world fair. It is people that make things unfair by hurting one another and it is the love of pleasure and hate of work that keep people from finding which religion is true.
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#34 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
all of the "evidence" that people have tried to convince me with can just as easily be attributed to any number of other deities worshiped by humans.
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#31 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
It wouldn't be right for a human to do it. But an all seeing God has every right. He is all that is keeping us in existence at every moment. We leech off his power because he allows it. It could be argued that if he didn't concentrate on keeping us in existence then there would be nothing keeping us around and we would simply vanish.

Again, no offence, but I don't think you understand how much authority God has if you say it's not right for him to do anything. He created morality. It's only by his good nature that that morality is also good. And he can only be good because a being of unlimited power would want for nothing, and so have no reason to be evil. But if he were good he could want to spread goodness among those who could appreciate it, aka, being with free will like his.
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#32 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
i fully understand how much authority he supposedly has. and that's the part that i'm not okay with. he has all this power, so why does he care if people worship him or not? why does he deem it necessary to erase people from existence if they simply didn't think there was enough evidence to prove he existed? is he that egotistical? is he that desperate? "oh, you didn't think a book written by desert dwellers who thought the earth was a flat slab with a glass dome around it 2000 years before you were born was sufficient evidence of me, a being who can do anything it wants and could have shown itself to the world at any time with minimal effort? well, too bad, you no longer get to exist because for an insignificant period of time compared to the infinitesimal amount of time that will exist you didn't worship me." seems real fair to us humans.
#27 - Because to have knowledge of good and evil is to have free wil…  [+] (7 replies) 10/10/2016 on hate 0
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#28 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
the fact that you think no one would be heartbroken when they find out that they are never going to see their loved ones again is, to me, naive. you assume that being granted omniscience (not omnipotence as you said, as that deals with how much power one has over the universe, not how much one knows) will take away any emotions they feel towards those people, that it will take away any bonds they had with them. they may understand, but they will still feel sorrow.
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#29 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
Sorry, I see them as the same thing as having the ability to see everything is virtually the same as having the power to control everything. But that's another debate and you're right that omniscience would be a better word.

It's not that knowing would take away the feelings, it would be that those feelings would be clearly handled. It would be like a grandma dying of old age. You understand that it was going to happen and there is none of the shock, just understanding. But sorrow is not always bad. Perhaps there is regret but perhaps not. Perhaps, should it turn out that sorrow is considered a punishment then the person is simply made to not exist without comprehending it's about to happen. There would be no going to hell really as they would appear there just as it was destroyed.
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#30 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
i just don't think it's right to erase an existence like that, even if the person was a monster in life. sending someone to purgatory to pay off their debt for the sins they committed would be one thing, but torturing them for a millennia and then wiping them from the face of creation just doesn't seem right to me.
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#33 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
It doesn't allow anymore replies so I have to reply here.

But the whims of an infinite being are hard to understand. It seems to me he wants people to choose him instead of him forcing it. So he put us in the balanced perfectly fair world so we could choose without being swayed to far to one side or the other.

Also, the bible says the Earth is a sphere, the flat Earth belief is actually a myth. And, believe it or not, there is plenty of evidence of God's existence and which religion is right. It is simply the laziness of people or their bitterness towards the idea of God(usually a warped idea with misconceptions from my experience) that keeps them from accepting what they study. God made this world fair. It is people that make things unfair by hurting one another and it is the love of pleasure and hate of work that keep people from finding which religion is true.
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#34 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
all of the "evidence" that people have tried to convince me with can just as easily be attributed to any number of other deities worshiped by humans.
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#31 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
It wouldn't be right for a human to do it. But an all seeing God has every right. He is all that is keeping us in existence at every moment. We leech off his power because he allows it. It could be argued that if he didn't concentrate on keeping us in existence then there would be nothing keeping us around and we would simply vanish.

Again, no offence, but I don't think you understand how much authority God has if you say it's not right for him to do anything. He created morality. It's only by his good nature that that morality is also good. And he can only be good because a being of unlimited power would want for nothing, and so have no reason to be evil. But if he were good he could want to spread goodness among those who could appreciate it, aka, being with free will like his.
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#32 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
i fully understand how much authority he supposedly has. and that's the part that i'm not okay with. he has all this power, so why does he care if people worship him or not? why does he deem it necessary to erase people from existence if they simply didn't think there was enough evidence to prove he existed? is he that egotistical? is he that desperate? "oh, you didn't think a book written by desert dwellers who thought the earth was a flat slab with a glass dome around it 2000 years before you were born was sufficient evidence of me, a being who can do anything it wants and could have shown itself to the world at any time with minimal effort? well, too bad, you no longer get to exist because for an insignificant period of time compared to the infinitesimal amount of time that will exist you didn't worship me." seems real fair to us humans.
#25 - It was said that God created them in his image. I find it hard…  [+] (9 replies) 10/10/2016 on hate 0
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#26 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
if that's the case then why did they have no knowledge of good and evil to begin with?

and that's the thing. how do you know it's painless? many of the nonbelievers will probably have loved ones in paradise that they will never see again, and they'll know that when they're sent to hell just before they're erased from existence. that in and of itself is torturous.
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#27 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
Because to have knowledge of good and evil is to have free will. And if you have free will, then being in a paradise where you are happy and unaware you are naked, feel no shame or any negative feelings, then you are barred from sinning. You won't steal if you have everything you could ever want. You won't murder if you don't have the ability to consider other people a threat and worry and stress over them stealing from you or murdering you.

Free will, in my definition, requires two things. One is the ability to comprehend right and wrong and the second is the ability to do those things physically. If you have all your wants taken care of then you don't have free will nor understanding of good and evil. This understand of the forbidden fruit is that it not only changes the nature of the human brain, but that it also consists of the change in circumstance i. e. the move out of the paradise and into the harsher world we know today where gain requires work.

It's only torture when you don't understand. When you die, if you are given clear vision of everything that happened then you will suddenly understand why you were sent to hell and that you deserve it. You will be granted omnipotence or near to omnipotence. This will let you realize that you got your fair time with those loved ones and you squandered it. And now that that time is up then you will be removed from existence. Perhaps even from time itself, made to never have existed sense God created and is in control of time, but that's just speculation on my part and has no real foundation in the bible.

But how can someone be sad over something they know they deserve? They might regret earning the thing the earned and wish they had done differently but certainly they wouldn't be able feel sadness when they know it is all fair and just.
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#28 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
the fact that you think no one would be heartbroken when they find out that they are never going to see their loved ones again is, to me, naive. you assume that being granted omniscience (not omnipotence as you said, as that deals with how much power one has over the universe, not how much one knows) will take away any emotions they feel towards those people, that it will take away any bonds they had with them. they may understand, but they will still feel sorrow.
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#29 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
Sorry, I see them as the same thing as having the ability to see everything is virtually the same as having the power to control everything. But that's another debate and you're right that omniscience would be a better word.

It's not that knowing would take away the feelings, it would be that those feelings would be clearly handled. It would be like a grandma dying of old age. You understand that it was going to happen and there is none of the shock, just understanding. But sorrow is not always bad. Perhaps there is regret but perhaps not. Perhaps, should it turn out that sorrow is considered a punishment then the person is simply made to not exist without comprehending it's about to happen. There would be no going to hell really as they would appear there just as it was destroyed.
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#30 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
i just don't think it's right to erase an existence like that, even if the person was a monster in life. sending someone to purgatory to pay off their debt for the sins they committed would be one thing, but torturing them for a millennia and then wiping them from the face of creation just doesn't seem right to me.
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#33 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
It doesn't allow anymore replies so I have to reply here.

But the whims of an infinite being are hard to understand. It seems to me he wants people to choose him instead of him forcing it. So he put us in the balanced perfectly fair world so we could choose without being swayed to far to one side or the other.

Also, the bible says the Earth is a sphere, the flat Earth belief is actually a myth. And, believe it or not, there is plenty of evidence of God's existence and which religion is right. It is simply the laziness of people or their bitterness towards the idea of God(usually a warped idea with misconceptions from my experience) that keeps them from accepting what they study. God made this world fair. It is people that make things unfair by hurting one another and it is the love of pleasure and hate of work that keep people from finding which religion is true.
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#34 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
all of the "evidence" that people have tried to convince me with can just as easily be attributed to any number of other deities worshiped by humans.
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#31 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
It wouldn't be right for a human to do it. But an all seeing God has every right. He is all that is keeping us in existence at every moment. We leech off his power because he allows it. It could be argued that if he didn't concentrate on keeping us in existence then there would be nothing keeping us around and we would simply vanish.

Again, no offence, but I don't think you understand how much authority God has if you say it's not right for him to do anything. He created morality. It's only by his good nature that that morality is also good. And he can only be good because a being of unlimited power would want for nothing, and so have no reason to be evil. But if he were good he could want to spread goodness among those who could appreciate it, aka, being with free will like his.
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#32 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
i fully understand how much authority he supposedly has. and that's the part that i'm not okay with. he has all this power, so why does he care if people worship him or not? why does he deem it necessary to erase people from existence if they simply didn't think there was enough evidence to prove he existed? is he that egotistical? is he that desperate? "oh, you didn't think a book written by desert dwellers who thought the earth was a flat slab with a glass dome around it 2000 years before you were born was sufficient evidence of me, a being who can do anything it wants and could have shown itself to the world at any time with minimal effort? well, too bad, you no longer get to exist because for an insignificant period of time compared to the infinitesimal amount of time that will exist you didn't worship me." seems real fair to us humans.
#23 - They didn't know good and evil. But they had logic and were th…  [+] (11 replies) 10/10/2016 on hate 0
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#24 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
oh, they had logic, which verse said that? cause i certainly didn't see it anywhere. i wasn't aware that the two humans with no understanding of good and evil were capable of using logic like Aristotle, Plato, and Socrates.

and ceasing to exist forever seems pretty eternal to me.
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#25 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
It was said that God created them in his image. I find it hard to interpret that verse to mean the physical image sense God doesn't seem to have one. The image seems to be that we are being with complex minds like God's. He can think and understand and aren't just mechanical reactionary creatures like an animal and perhaps like an angel who is only a servant and is said to be lesser than a human once in heaven.

But ceasing to exist isn't a punishment. It's just nothing. You feel no pleasure, no pain. Are you saying it's wrong for a being that created life to remove that life painlessly from existence?
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#26 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
if that's the case then why did they have no knowledge of good and evil to begin with?

and that's the thing. how do you know it's painless? many of the nonbelievers will probably have loved ones in paradise that they will never see again, and they'll know that when they're sent to hell just before they're erased from existence. that in and of itself is torturous.
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#27 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
Because to have knowledge of good and evil is to have free will. And if you have free will, then being in a paradise where you are happy and unaware you are naked, feel no shame or any negative feelings, then you are barred from sinning. You won't steal if you have everything you could ever want. You won't murder if you don't have the ability to consider other people a threat and worry and stress over them stealing from you or murdering you.

Free will, in my definition, requires two things. One is the ability to comprehend right and wrong and the second is the ability to do those things physically. If you have all your wants taken care of then you don't have free will nor understanding of good and evil. This understand of the forbidden fruit is that it not only changes the nature of the human brain, but that it also consists of the change in circumstance i. e. the move out of the paradise and into the harsher world we know today where gain requires work.

It's only torture when you don't understand. When you die, if you are given clear vision of everything that happened then you will suddenly understand why you were sent to hell and that you deserve it. You will be granted omnipotence or near to omnipotence. This will let you realize that you got your fair time with those loved ones and you squandered it. And now that that time is up then you will be removed from existence. Perhaps even from time itself, made to never have existed sense God created and is in control of time, but that's just speculation on my part and has no real foundation in the bible.

But how can someone be sad over something they know they deserve? They might regret earning the thing the earned and wish they had done differently but certainly they wouldn't be able feel sadness when they know it is all fair and just.
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#28 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
the fact that you think no one would be heartbroken when they find out that they are never going to see their loved ones again is, to me, naive. you assume that being granted omniscience (not omnipotence as you said, as that deals with how much power one has over the universe, not how much one knows) will take away any emotions they feel towards those people, that it will take away any bonds they had with them. they may understand, but they will still feel sorrow.
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#29 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
Sorry, I see them as the same thing as having the ability to see everything is virtually the same as having the power to control everything. But that's another debate and you're right that omniscience would be a better word.

It's not that knowing would take away the feelings, it would be that those feelings would be clearly handled. It would be like a grandma dying of old age. You understand that it was going to happen and there is none of the shock, just understanding. But sorrow is not always bad. Perhaps there is regret but perhaps not. Perhaps, should it turn out that sorrow is considered a punishment then the person is simply made to not exist without comprehending it's about to happen. There would be no going to hell really as they would appear there just as it was destroyed.
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#30 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
i just don't think it's right to erase an existence like that, even if the person was a monster in life. sending someone to purgatory to pay off their debt for the sins they committed would be one thing, but torturing them for a millennia and then wiping them from the face of creation just doesn't seem right to me.
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#33 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
It doesn't allow anymore replies so I have to reply here.

But the whims of an infinite being are hard to understand. It seems to me he wants people to choose him instead of him forcing it. So he put us in the balanced perfectly fair world so we could choose without being swayed to far to one side or the other.

Also, the bible says the Earth is a sphere, the flat Earth belief is actually a myth. And, believe it or not, there is plenty of evidence of God's existence and which religion is right. It is simply the laziness of people or their bitterness towards the idea of God(usually a warped idea with misconceptions from my experience) that keeps them from accepting what they study. God made this world fair. It is people that make things unfair by hurting one another and it is the love of pleasure and hate of work that keep people from finding which religion is true.
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#34 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
all of the "evidence" that people have tried to convince me with can just as easily be attributed to any number of other deities worshiped by humans.
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#31 - Vandeekree (10/10/2016) [-]
It wouldn't be right for a human to do it. But an all seeing God has every right. He is all that is keeping us in existence at every moment. We leech off his power because he allows it. It could be argued that if he didn't concentrate on keeping us in existence then there would be nothing keeping us around and we would simply vanish.

Again, no offence, but I don't think you understand how much authority God has if you say it's not right for him to do anything. He created morality. It's only by his good nature that that morality is also good. And he can only be good because a being of unlimited power would want for nothing, and so have no reason to be evil. But if he were good he could want to spread goodness among those who could appreciate it, aka, being with free will like his.
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#32 - thevioletlightning (10/10/2016) [-]
i fully understand how much authority he supposedly has. and that's the part that i'm not okay with. he has all this power, so why does he care if people worship him or not? why does he deem it necessary to erase people from existence if they simply didn't think there was enough evidence to prove he existed? is he that egotistical? is he that desperate? "oh, you didn't think a book written by desert dwellers who thought the earth was a flat slab with a glass dome around it 2000 years before you were born was sufficient evidence of me, a being who can do anything it wants and could have shown itself to the world at any time with minimal effort? well, too bad, you no longer get to exist because for an insignificant period of time compared to the infinitesimal amount of time that will exist you didn't worship me." seems real fair to us humans.