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#26 - silentwarrior (03/06/2016) [-]
Quran (2:191-193): Written in a time were disbelievers=enemies of islam, meaning anyone that was against them was disbelievers, not necessarily people who didn't believe.

Quran (2:244): Every religion says that you should fight in the name of your religion, dosen't have to be actualy fight

Quran (2:216) : Again same thing, and even if it actually meant fighting, basically every religion fought in their name, chrisitanity included.

Quran (3:151) : Hell to disbelivers is a common theme in every religion, including christianity (btw, next time take the whole verse not just a bit out of context, had to google the whole verse)

Quran (4:74) : This is basically only about promise of afterlife if you serve god, which again christianity has

And Here are some more quran verses about killing and such:
Quran (5:32): “Whoever kills a person …it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.”

Quran, 5:28: "If you should raise your hand against me to kill me - I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you. Indeed, I fear Allah , Lord of the worlds."

Quran, 8:61: "And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah . Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing."

Quran, 2:256: "There shall be no compulsion in religion"

I also found some more bible verses about violence, which are a little different from yours.
Deuteronomy 17:
2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Luke 19:27:
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Matthew 10:34:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

But I'm sure you can explain these away, right?

Anyway, from what I see the content of both religious books don't really differ much. They both have stuff that can be taken as urging violence, and both have things that urges peace, so why not accept that instaed of trying to one up your religion over the other? Im frankly not in the mood for anymore verse battling.
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#77 - Vandeekree (03/06/2016) [-]
Yes it was written in a harsh time. So was the old testament. The difference is that Jesus came and fulfilled the old testament for the more modern tame era. And so while once it was ok to kill a thief because his stealing could cause famine and death for a tribe, this is no longer the case and is barbaric simply because stealing is now an inconvenience but not a death sentence for anyone.

Not every religion says you should fight and kill in that religions name. For instance, the bible says to turn the other cheek to an enemy, not resist them. This is because if you are Christian no one can hurt you. You covet nothing and death simply means going to heaven.

I do agree some people fought in the name of Christianity but many people have done terrible things and said it was in the name of Christianity. It doesn't mean the moral law of Christianity is at fault simply because people don't follow it.

This is not talking about hell but tormenting living non believers. I can't say I'm sorry for making you have to look things up. I feel causing you to learn more about this subject is one of my motives here.

Yes, and what do you have to do to gain that reward? Fight. Not metaphorically, literally fight people who don't believe how you do.

And I do agree that there are verses like that in the Quran. They talk of peae and love and yet are contradicted by the message of violence. The Quran talks of how Muhammad lived a perfect life and yet he beat and used his 9 year old wife. There are many contradictions and mixed messages. I invite you to study these and learn about them. It will take time but I think it will reveal to you the stark difference between the two religions.

As for the bible verses, yes, they can be explained away quite easily.

Deuteronomy 17: This is old testament and it was a different world back then. The purity and safety of the nation of Israel was paramount and so this is akin to rooting out spies and betrayers to the nation. You must understand that government and religion were the same thing back then. And when it's life and death, the rules change. Surely you can see that killing a man over stealing your watch is too harsh but if he were trying to kill your child more serious force would be fully justified.

Luke 19:27: This verse taken out of a parable that Jesus is telling. It's not a verse that says "Do this." it's one that is showing the supreme authority of God and what he can do should he so choose. It's not for humans to take as an example.


Matthew 10:34: This verse is, again, not telling people how they should live, it's Jesus saying what he's going to do. He is warning that he is not bringing peace t the world. The sword is metaphorical and refers to the "war" that he will cause among families. He will split brother and sister and parent from child because he is fulfilling the law and making it so people must decide to reject wickedness. And if a son becomes Christian and his parents are caught up in sin such as drugs or stealing and he tells them to stop, they may very well lash at him. Jesus has come to fight sin and it will be a battle, though one of love, for the souls of sinners.

I hope this shows you how these verses are simply taken out of context but go hand in hand with the message of the law of love of Jesus. The same cannot be said about the verses of the Quran. I hope you will study these verses for yourself and check what I'm saying here is true.

And I do agree. You can make the bible say anything. But you have to MAKE it say those things. There's reason that everyone who actually studies the message comes to the same conclusion. It is a message of love, the only thing Christians argue about is how best to love.

I'm sorry if this comes up as me pettily trying to one up my religion over another but do try to understand that this is my religion because it truly is better. I've studied both and can say this with confidence.
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#27 - tyrson (03/06/2016) [-]
Have you READ the old testament? There's a very large number of instances where their god said, "Go forth and kill everything that moves."
Sometimes god even lent a hand with the massacres. Sometimes they were being told to kill people they'd never even met.
The bible says to stone adulterers. There are many instances of god decreeing that certain criminals and outcasts should be killed.
Slavery's ok.
Biblical "heroes" often get by with crooked business dealings, deceit, and other illicit activities.

Yeah, there are portions of the bible that contradict the violent portions, but the same is likely true of many "holy texts".
#76 - kalaark (03/06/2016) [-]
The thing about God telling people to kill in the old testament, is that it's not an order for anyone other than those specific people to kill. It's more like a recording of history.

I've never read the Quran to say if it's the same in that book or not, but you can't say that the OT teaches Christians to be violent because God had told certain, specific groups of people to be violent in certain, specific times.
#40 - anon (03/06/2016) [-]
I think when he said 'Christian Bible', he referred to new testament. Christian, as in 'Follower of Christ'... As in Christ's word in the bible was the final word, end of.
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#45 - tyrson (03/06/2016) [-]
Matthew 5:17-18
Jesus said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

There's a reason the bible is sold as a pair (OT and NT). Christians still study and preach the old testament, which has always been considered part of the bible.

There are some good christians who ignore all of the violent parts of the bible and live good, peaceful lives. But the same can be said of islam as well.
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#71 - Vandeekree (03/06/2016) [-]
The old testament is no longer valid. It was the first covenant written for the ancient Jews and dictated how to survive in that much more harsh time period.

The verse you mentioned here is correct, Jesus did not come to abolish the law, he came to fulfill it. In the old testament, the coming of Jesus is prophesied. And just as the old testament says, he has come to fulfill the law and write the new covenant for the more modern tame age.

No longer does a thief stealing mean death for a village, no longer are there roving primitive peoples looking for a chance to raid and kill the weak. Now society has become strong and more civil and so less harsh punishments are the new law. The new law is written of love.

The old testament is still important, without it, the new testament has no validity. But its laws are no longer in effect. We can eat shellfish and pork and should no longer punish crimes with death.

So I can assure you that any Christian who follows the old testament has not studied the bible much at all and doesn't understand how it works.
#32 - anon (03/06/2016) [-]
Guess why it's called the old testament.
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#33 - tyrson (03/06/2016) [-]
'cuz it's old?
It's still a part of the bible. Written (supposedly) by the same godly inspiration.
Malachi 3:16 says, "For I, the LORD, do not change."
You can't besmirch homosexuality and lobby for the 10 commandments while ignoring all of the old violent stuff.
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#47 - captanyonomus (03/06/2016) [-]
You do realize that the old testament is functionally a honey-do-this list for being on God's good side until the messiah comes and that the foundational doctrine of Christianity is that the messiah has in fact already come.

Meaning that unless you wanna talk Jews, the old testament doesn't mean shit.
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#50 - tyrson (03/06/2016) [-]
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of christians who memorize the ten commandments, look down on homosexuality, teach their children about Noah's ark, or preach about original sin.
Sure, there are some christians who only concern themselves with the good parts of the new testament, but they are few and far between.

Matthew 5:17-18
Jesus said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
#75 - kalaark (03/06/2016) [-]
While I think the old testament still holds importance to Chrisianity, the new testament teaches homosexuality is a sin alongside the old. Even if you believe that the OT no longer applies to Christianity, Christians would stoll be taught that homosexuality is a sin.
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#30 - tyrson (03/06/2016) [-]
2 Kings 2:23-24 ... 42 boys killed for mocking an elderly man.
He [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go away, baldhead! Go away, baldhead!” When he turned around and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.

Exodus 32:27-29 ... telling some jews to kill other jews
Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' "The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."

Joshua 8:24-26 ... kill everyone
When the Israelite army finished chasing and killing all the men of Ai in the open fields, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai, including men and women, was wiped out that day—12,000 in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed.

Deuteronomy 3:3-6 ... men, women, children
So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and we smote them until no survivor was left. We captured all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these were cities fortified with high walls, gates and bars, besides a great many unwalled towns. We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city.

1 Samuel 15:3,8 ... even the animals
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.

Hosea 13:16 ... what's that about Christianity being "pro life"?
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

I mean, hell, even the patriarch Abraham was ready to kill his own son because his god told him to. And he's one of the good guys.
Lot offered his two daughters to a crowd of rapists in order to protect two messengers from god.
Jacob cheated his brother Esau out of pretty much everything, and still got to be one of the patriarchs of the hebrew nation.


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#20 - silentwarrior (03/05/2016) [-]
"The Islamic Quran doesn't say to do that. They are directly going against what the quran teaches. The quran blatantly tells you not to do things like that. Those aren't Islamic radicals, they are usually mentally unstable. It's hard to be a Islamic radical when you are directly going against Islamic teachings."

I made some few modifications to what you said, seem familliar?
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#21 - Vandeekree (03/06/2016) [-]
It does sound familiar, but it also shows that you haven't read either the bible or the Quran.
It's easy to switch up my words but let me show you why my words are correct and yours are wrong.

Here are a few of the 109 verses in the Quran that call the faithful to violence and murder:
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshiping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

THOR: Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority."

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

And now a few verses from the bible that show how Christianity feels about violence and murder:
Matthew 26:52-54
Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?”

Psalm 11:5
The Lord tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence.

Matthew 5:38-39
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Proverbs 3:31
Do not envy a man of violence and do not choose any of his ways,

1 Timothy 3:3
Not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

Now these verses are all presented without full context. I invite you to study this and learn their context and true meaning so that you can be a judge if there is a difference between Christianity and Islam.
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#26 - silentwarrior (03/06/2016) [-]
Quran (2:191-193): Written in a time were disbelievers=enemies of islam, meaning anyone that was against them was disbelievers, not necessarily people who didn't believe.

Quran (2:244): Every religion says that you should fight in the name of your religion, dosen't have to be actualy fight

Quran (2:216) : Again same thing, and even if it actually meant fighting, basically every religion fought in their name, chrisitanity included.

Quran (3:151) : Hell to disbelivers is a common theme in every religion, including christianity (btw, next time take the whole verse not just a bit out of context, had to google the whole verse)

Quran (4:74) : This is basically only about promise of afterlife if you serve god, which again christianity has

And Here are some more quran verses about killing and such:
Quran (5:32): “Whoever kills a person …it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.”

Quran, 5:28: "If you should raise your hand against me to kill me - I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you. Indeed, I fear Allah , Lord of the worlds."

Quran, 8:61: "And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah . Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing."

Quran, 2:256: "There shall be no compulsion in religion"

I also found some more bible verses about violence, which are a little different from yours.
Deuteronomy 17:
2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Luke 19:27:
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Matthew 10:34:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

But I'm sure you can explain these away, right?

Anyway, from what I see the content of both religious books don't really differ much. They both have stuff that can be taken as urging violence, and both have things that urges peace, so why not accept that instaed of trying to one up your religion over the other? Im frankly not in the mood for anymore verse battling.
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#77 - Vandeekree (03/06/2016) [-]
Yes it was written in a harsh time. So was the old testament. The difference is that Jesus came and fulfilled the old testament for the more modern tame era. And so while once it was ok to kill a thief because his stealing could cause famine and death for a tribe, this is no longer the case and is barbaric simply because stealing is now an inconvenience but not a death sentence for anyone.

Not every religion says you should fight and kill in that religions name. For instance, the bible says to turn the other cheek to an enemy, not resist them. This is because if you are Christian no one can hurt you. You covet nothing and death simply means going to heaven.

I do agree some people fought in the name of Christianity but many people have done terrible things and said it was in the name of Christianity. It doesn't mean the moral law of Christianity is at fault simply because people don't follow it.

This is not talking about hell but tormenting living non believers. I can't say I'm sorry for making you have to look things up. I feel causing you to learn more about this subject is one of my motives here.

Yes, and what do you have to do to gain that reward? Fight. Not metaphorically, literally fight people who don't believe how you do.

And I do agree that there are verses like that in the Quran. They talk of peae and love and yet are contradicted by the message of violence. The Quran talks of how Muhammad lived a perfect life and yet he beat and used his 9 year old wife. There are many contradictions and mixed messages. I invite you to study these and learn about them. It will take time but I think it will reveal to you the stark difference between the two religions.

As for the bible verses, yes, they can be explained away quite easily.

Deuteronomy 17: This is old testament and it was a different world back then. The purity and safety of the nation of Israel was paramount and so this is akin to rooting out spies and betrayers to the nation. You must understand that government and religion were the same thing back then. And when it's life and death, the rules change. Surely you can see that killing a man over stealing your watch is too harsh but if he were trying to kill your child more serious force would be fully justified.

Luke 19:27: This verse taken out of a parable that Jesus is telling. It's not a verse that says "Do this." it's one that is showing the supreme authority of God and what he can do should he so choose. It's not for humans to take as an example.


Matthew 10:34: This verse is, again, not telling people how they should live, it's Jesus saying what he's going to do. He is warning that he is not bringing peace t the world. The sword is metaphorical and refers to the "war" that he will cause among families. He will split brother and sister and parent from child because he is fulfilling the law and making it so people must decide to reject wickedness. And if a son becomes Christian and his parents are caught up in sin such as drugs or stealing and he tells them to stop, they may very well lash at him. Jesus has come to fight sin and it will be a battle, though one of love, for the souls of sinners.

I hope this shows you how these verses are simply taken out of context but go hand in hand with the message of the law of love of Jesus. The same cannot be said about the verses of the Quran. I hope you will study these verses for yourself and check what I'm saying here is true.

And I do agree. You can make the bible say anything. But you have to MAKE it say those things. There's reason that everyone who actually studies the message comes to the same conclusion. It is a message of love, the only thing Christians argue about is how best to love.

I'm sorry if this comes up as me pettily trying to one up my religion over another but do try to understand that this is my religion because it truly is better. I've studied both and can say this with confidence.
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#35 - Deavas (03/05/2016) [-]
makes sense. i wouldnt know, as i am currently still alive
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#42 - desacabose (03/05/2016) [-]
That sounds suspiciously like something a ghost would say
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#49 - anon (03/04/2016) [-]
Found the christian
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#50 - Vandeekree (03/04/2016) [-]
What?! No! I would never, I...alright...you caught me.
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#110 - anon (03/05/2016) [-]
what if you're more of a "he might exist, but i dont really have much evidence" sort of a guy?
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#131 - Vandeekree (03/05/2016) [-]
I would advice that you explore Christian Apologetics. It's a field of theology that deals only in reason based faith. I of the opinion that the modern approach to Christianity is a very weak and watered down one. The average modern Christian has faith that is exclusively founded in emotion. They will tell you about how they feel the holy spirit, how they find joy and passion in their faith, how they can see God talking to them in everything. That's all well and good but until I notice God directly talking to me I'm going to have to go on what I can perceive.

This is where apologetics comes in. It looks at evidence for a god and then evidence for what that God wants a person to do. Contrary to what most atheists would like you to believe, there is considerable evidence for the bible's authenticity. Some atheists will mock "Why believe in a giant wizard in the sky?" and I'd have to agree. There's no good reason to believe that blindly and without evidence. I've been studying it quite a lot and I can assure you there is evidence. Good solid evidence not based on emotional appeals to how good it makes one feel to be Christian.

I invite you to study on your own and would suggest William Lane Craig, an author and scholar, as a person who's works I find most interesting on this subject. I don't agree with everything he says but he's clearly a thinker who has taken the time to do what priests of old used to do. Compile evidence and apply it to an intellectual endeavor rather than the modern priest who couldn't tell you anything about the most recent discoveries in physics or astronomy.

Let me know if you have any questions or desire help in choosing a good book to start studying.
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#45 - whatareyouon (03/04/2016) [-]
I don't mind Christians they can be really nice honest and hardworking most of the time. It's those assholes that tell me I'm going to hell because i don't follow their particular god. If you talk that way and think that way you are nothing better than a filthy Muslim extremist.

>honest, hard working, kind and charitable human who doesn't believe a christian god? send them to hell!
>thieving, manipulative, bandit who has done nothing for anyone but himself his entire life but believes in god because muh superstition. yep! send that man to heaven!

tl;dr "believe in my god or go to hell" is no different than what those extremists in the middle east think and you are just as big of a scum bag as they are.
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> you are nothing better than a filthy Muslim extremist.

I believe there is a difference between having religious opinions/posting comments on facebook and pic related.

You are calling them the exact same thing.
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#88 - tessalata (03/05/2016) [-]
This is fake right? I cannot tell anymore.
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#51 - whatareyouon (03/04/2016) [-]
"follow my specific believe or you go to hell"
sorry what exactly is the difference?
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#59 - putindispencerhere (03/04/2016) [-]
Most of the people who say that would probably never kill someone.
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#47 - Vandeekree (03/04/2016) [-]
So no one should ever warn you about danger you're in?

Would you get upset if someone were to tell you that if you cross the street without looking you'll get hit by a car? Maybe you can't see the car but if your first impression to think that person is just being egotistical and trying to control you or are they genuinely concerned for your well being?

I can't speak for every Christian but all that I know and have talked to seem to genuinely believe what they are saying. They are afraid for you. They don't want you to go to hell. They see there is punishment for your actions and have the need to warn you before you do something you might regret. I don't understand why that warning provokes such a hateful and offended reaction in you.

As for the honest and hard working and kind person who doesn't believe in God, show me one. You won't be able to. All men are sinner. All have weak moments. All have secrets and vices that have hold of them. Every single one.

That's not what gets you into heaven. What gets you into heaven is understanding that even though everyone fails the test of being a good person, God loves us and forgives easily and quickly. All that you have to do is ask for it and he will wipe away the punishment for those sins.

But rest assured. You can tell a tree by the fruit it bares. If you find a bandit who is done nothing but to himself, then be skeptical that that is a Christian. Because the sign of a Christian is not that they are a good person, it's that they are trying to be a good person. There is no flawless Christian. We all sin just the same, but we attempt not to and any reasonable human being, short of a chemical addiction, who truly applies themselves to being a good person can be seen to be attempting perfection of a sinless life. It's hard to believe a person who sins so often is really trying very hard to be Christian.
#49 - anon (03/04/2016) [-]
Found the christian
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#50 - Vandeekree (03/04/2016) [-]
What?! No! I would never, I...alright...you caught me.
#44 - anon (03/04/2016) [-]
>2016 christianity

no, all sins must be paid for either by compensating for it by doing good deeds or through retribution

I hate this "just believe in god n ur good )" meme. nearly everyone would be in heaven if that were the case

"Of a thousand who seek me, one finds me, of a thousand who find me, one follows me, of a thousand who follow me, one is mine.”
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#46 - Vandeekree (03/04/2016) [-]
Where in the bible are you getting that you must compensate with good deeds?

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

That quote you sent me at the bottom comes from the Bhagavad Gita, not the Christian bible. I thought all the talk of sin would let you know I was trying to refer to Christianity. Sorry if I wasn't clear.