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#58 - Womens Study Major (18 hours ago) [-]
Don't feel bad, I didn't know who she was either except that she's an idiot and I don't care what degrees she has! Liberal professors probably done it to her!
#13 - ogomer (11/22/2014) [-]
She is a professor of social anthropology apparently. While she did indeed say this, it is taken out of it's context and it seems like she is for Islamic values to enter our society.
In actuality, she is saying that islamic men immigrating from a country with mainly islamic principles (like somalia, egypt, etc.) are prone to rape women from western cultures since they dress and act more openly than where they originally come from. So she is warning women from interacting to closely with unacclimatized male islamic immigrants, and that they should at least take some responsibility for an eventual rape if they put any trust in such a person.
#62 - Womens Study Major (18 hours ago) [-]
Isn't like blaming the victims? Rapists rape, they should take responsibility for their actions!
#64 - Womens Study Major (18 hours ago) [-]
That was supposed to be 'Isn't that like blaming the victim?'
#37 - thelastamerican (20 hours ago) [-]
You know, I think that this is bulshit. If you want to live in a country, you need to have an understanding of it's laws. These include, but are not limited to, laws concerning rape. If someone tries to stick their dick in you and you don't want them to, then kill them. Seriously, dig around in your purse, find a ballpoint pen, and stab them in the eye. Take the beverage you're holding, splash it onto his face and then smash the glass over his head. Take your thumbs and push into his eyes until he stops moving.
If you're really worried about being attacked/raped, then carry a knife with you, or a gun, or a screwdriver. (Better than a knife in my opinion) When would be rapists start getting killed/hospitalized I'll bet that the number of crimes involving rape will start to diminish.
This is bullshit because reasons, and take some initiative regarding your safety.
#20 - Womens Study Major (11/23/2014) [-]
The context makes it even more racist and insane...
#28 - Sethorein (11/23/2014) [-]
It's as insane as saying, "if you hang out with gangbangers you're putting yourself at risk for rape".
Folks who come from a culture which doesn't consider raping provocatively dressed women as bad are more prone to rape you. Be fuckin' careful around them.
#153 - kombee (9 hours ago) [-]
This is implying that people from those countries don't already know rape is illegal which is bullshit. It is indeed insane that this woman is actively warning women to look at all immigrant muslims as potential rapists. If people seriously think that somalis or whatever are prone to raping people because of cultural differences then they seriously need to get a reality check and actually try and talk to some of those people. Not to mention, the islamic religion as a whole condemns raping as a very serious crime.
#160 - kombee (8 hours ago) [-]
You'd like to think so perhaps, but if we generalize people based on their heritage or religion we are no better than nazis. Why is it that it's so easy to just believe an extreme critic like her instead of actually giving the opposite arguement a chance, atleast consider different possibilities. Generalizing all muslims, all somalis (for the sake of this example) and by and large most immigrants as being prone to rape an crimminal affairs is just plain unfair. Has she talked to them? Does she know them or is she merely extrapolating? It's the same arguements white supremasts make over black people when they show statistics of black criminality, neglecting to consider the sociological and historical aspects that has affected them greatly. Consider things, reconsider them, study on the subject (read online or offline from different sources), and keep second guessing yourself. Then and only then, I feel it'd be reasonable to make an assumption. And even then one have to be prepared to change ones view.
#161 - Sethorein (8 hours ago) [-]
#1 only took 2 replies for you to suffer Godwin's law.
#2 you said listen to the counterargument. What's the counterargument? If it's that their culture makes them behave this way that's the exact same as her argument...
Nazis claim all Jews, even born and bred German Jews are evil. She claims new immigrants from regions where the sexual abuse of women who do not dress conservatively who haven't yet acclimated to the Western world are a higher risk to women than the average man.
Are you seeing a difference in the degree of condemnation here? Are you seeing why bringing up nazis just makes you look stupid?
#162 - kombee (6 hours ago) [-]
As for comparing to nazis, I meant the discrimiatory aspect of it where they have an idea for a certain people to have a definite negative attribute. Nazis were first and foremost discriminatory and then acted upon it which is what made them so horrible. If we start looking at all immigrants with an islamic background as being inherently prone to rape, then we are indeed discriminating much the same way the nazis did. Wether they come from your country or not is irrelevent, since people in Germany saw the jews as a seperate entity, just like we tend to see immigrants as a seperate entity.
Gangbangers aren't necassarily muslim but her comments suggest that, at best the fact that you're from a muslim country, or at worst the fact that you're muslim yourself, is the defining feature in maing immigrants dangerous, which isn't the case. She neglects the fact that the defining features are in fact impoverishment, war, inhumane treatment etc. etc. Things you'd be able to think that poor immigrants have been through. There are several muslim countries that are well-functioning, where immigrants from those countries haven't been a problem just like immigrants from generally well-being countries haven't been a problem either. Bad immigrants tend to come from impoverished, war-ridden, lost countries where curroption is reigning. To fix the problem we need to fix those countries, not ostrazice muslims.
#163 - Sethorein (6 hours ago) [-]
#1 learn how to google. But for the sake of making things easier for you, Godwin's law is the assertion that as any internet discussion progresses one party will accuse the other party of sharing values with members of the third reich.
#2 You completely ignored the separation I made between how nazis discriminated and how this woman is cautioning. For that I'm going to treat you like a 5 year old and maybe insult you a little in this paragraph. Consider yourself warned. She is saying literally, this is what she is saying, and I really want you to focus all 17 of your functioning brain cells on grasping what she is saying, that NEW immigrants from islamic countries where THE CULTURE PROMOTES RAPE OF THOSE WHO DO NOT DRESS MODESTLY are more prone to raping provocatively dressed european women. Thus EUROPEAN WOMEN SHOULD BE RESPECTFUL of this cultural divide and either dress conservatively when they know they will be around new immigrants from this specific cultural background and either dress modestly or avoid these men if you plan to dress provocatively.
The nazis said all jews, foreign or german born were scum by virtue of genetics (eugenics woah!). The only answer was extermination. Have I laid it out clearly enough for you? Are you seeing the difference in the approach taken by the two parties that you seem to think are one in the same?
you know why she specifies muslim countries? Because no other culture than those dominated by a strict sharia law would promote this kind of behaviour.
But please, continue pretending that you could walk around in Somalia alone as a woman with provocative clothing and not seriously be at risk of sexual abuse.
There's a line you need to draw between being progressive and multicultural and being ignorant to the cultural norms that are in conflict with those of your own country. Don't just assume every other culture shares your opinions and beliefs.
#164 - kombee (5 hours ago) [-]
Dude, calm down. If I really hurt you that badly then I'm sorry. You might see me as being stupid, that's fine, but at the very least be somewhat polite. I'm sorry about the picture, it was simply to poké fun would've written a HUE here but you seem serious
I do agree on #2, but I think there's more to it than that. Rape isn't promoted in places like Somalia because of the law itself, but because of the corruption happening within that system. You scratch my back, I scratch yours, that's what they operate on in corrupted countries. That and money. It leaves the people and villages at disarray and spreads way for criminal affairs, and by consequence rape which can be dismissed by payed "judges". THAT is what promotes rape. Those who are in power merely staple "Sharia-Law" over this type of arrangement, to make it easier for them to dismiss any religious objections.
The conservative strict nature of Somalia might make a Somalian male shocked when he now sees provocative clothing instead, but ths by itself is not the defining reason as to why you find that gangs rape.
Sharia-law (or atleast the form it has taken in Somalia) does not make a muslim country and classifying it as such is either discriminatory or ignorant. Have you heard of Indonesia, Malaysia, Tunesia, Morocco, Turkey, Iran among other muslim countries? Also if comment #13 is to be believed, she's also including Egypt under the list of cultures that promote rape, which is ridiculous to say the least since Cairo is basically the New York of the middle east. All of these places are considered muslim but DO NOT promote rape in any circumstances and are just as lax concerning clothing as any western countries would be, so saying immigrants from those places would be prone to think or behave that way is rather far fetched. Specifying it as a muslim country problem, makng it a problem stemmed from Islam is the problem here. I'm arguing that it's something else that's the problem.
#166 - Sethorein (5 hours ago) [-]
This is more agreeable. My argument extends only so far as the data supports it. If you come from a country that promotes rape of I'm modestly dressed women and it just so happens to stem from the presence of sharia then she is correct in her description.
If we're talking Egypt and Turkey, yeah she's wrong.
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