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#3087 - Toaru Majutsu no Index megavoir, yeorgh, christmouth,… 08/30/2014 on Anime Recommendation Thread 0
#49 - I don't see how that relates to this.  [+] (1 new reply) 08/30/2014 on Tell me your secret +2
User avatar #68 - zekeon (08/30/2014) [-]
Obviously you get a full series of porn too.
#43 - I wanna see this guy make a full series, this **** …  [+] (3 new replies) 08/30/2014 on Tell me your secret +3
#48 - anonymous (08/30/2014) [-]
the artist also makes porn
User avatar #49 - TheMather (08/30/2014) [-]
I don't see how that relates to this.
User avatar #68 - zekeon (08/30/2014) [-]
Obviously you get a full series of porn too.
#3081 - Sure. 08/30/2014 on Anime Recommendation Thread 0
#1032488 - I'm not proud of it, but yeah I've probably seen enough … 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
#1032419 - That's the thing I was talking about about selectively bad tag… 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
#1032409 - Hatenkou Yuugi Higashi no Eden Koi to Senkyou to Choco…  [+] (2 new replies) 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
User avatar #1032411 - alleksi (08/29/2014) [-]
Understand that MAL is not always correct and that the genre-section include pretty much everything that is even slightly included within the series. Focus on the important aspects of the show.
User avatar #1032419 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
That's the thing I was talking about about selectively bad tagging. They'll call Makakucity Actors romance while they refuse to call Toaru Majutsu no Index harem or ecchi.
They don't tag consistently, it's like they look for hints that a tag might be applicable at some point and then flip a coin on whether or not to add it.

That's why it's the least I can do to define my recommendations on whether or not something is relevant to the viewer rather than to pretend I have to adhere to genre definitions as strictly as reviewers. I'll bet you none of the people that have asked me for romance anime have after watching the recommended shows asked themselves "and where's the romance?".
#105 - No, that's an awesome thing. Because it's the tastiest and fas… 08/29/2014 on How to Deal With Pre-Exam... 0
#1032382 - Don't worry. I'm used to people talking **** abou… 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
#1032371 - How nice of you to compliment him. 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
#95 - Nah, man, nothing girly about long Island Iced Teas. They're d…  [+] (2 new replies) 08/29/2014 on How to Deal With Pre-Exam... +1
User avatar #103 - larfang (08/29/2014) [-]
Annnddddd thats a bad thing?
User avatar #105 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
No, that's an awesome thing. Because it's the tastiest and fastest way to get drunk.
#1032287 - A short selection in alphabetical order: Ah! My Goddess …  [+] (4 new replies) 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
User avatar #1032380 - alleksi (08/29/2014) [-]
I haven't seen any of the shows you mentioned but let me give you few example of romances

Toradora. That's a romance because it's a story about two people falling in love.
5 centimeters per second. That's a romance because it's about a mans love for a girl/woman. Even though he doesn't get the girl in the end, it's still a romance.

A few examples of shows that are not romance (that are not Hyouka or Silver Spoon), even though MAL labels them as such:

Sora no otoshimono. Not a romance because the love interest is ambiguous, and all the possible candidates are only used to satisfy every viewers desires through fanservice and there is no real romantic progress on the MC's part.
Melancholy/Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya. Not a romance because the story is about the daily antics of living with supernatural things, not about the "possible" romantic relationship between Haruhi and Kyon. The movie isn't a romance either because the main character only shows slight romantic feelings right at the end, and nowhere else.

I'm not denying that these shows don't have romantic parts in them. I'm saying that that is not enough to make it a romance.

You hope or think that there is some romance going on between two characters and then make the conclusion that the show must be a romance, then you tell a person that the show is a romance, meaning that the story is going to be about romantic relationships between characters, even if that's not what the story is about, and that was one of the problems that I had with you.
User avatar #1032409 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
Hatenkou Yuugi
Higashi no Eden
Koi to Senkyou to Chocolate
Mahoromatic
Mekakucity Actors (hell, even I wouldn't call that romance, but MAL does)
Nanaka 6/17

There are a lot of romance anime out there where nothing actually happens romantically.
User avatar #1032411 - alleksi (08/29/2014) [-]
Understand that MAL is not always correct and that the genre-section include pretty much everything that is even slightly included within the series. Focus on the important aspects of the show.
User avatar #1032419 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
That's the thing I was talking about about selectively bad tagging. They'll call Makakucity Actors romance while they refuse to call Toaru Majutsu no Index harem or ecchi.
They don't tag consistently, it's like they look for hints that a tag might be applicable at some point and then flip a coin on whether or not to add it.

That's why it's the least I can do to define my recommendations on whether or not something is relevant to the viewer rather than to pretend I have to adhere to genre definitions as strictly as reviewers. I'll bet you none of the people that have asked me for romance anime have after watching the recommended shows asked themselves "and where's the romance?".
#1032269 - She didn't though. She was pretty average.  [+] (2 new replies) 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
#1032299 - hasai (08/29/2014) [-]
You've gotta give them more credit than that.
User avatar #1032270 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
Depends on what Oreki likes.
#1032265 - If you're at a pool, surrounded by girls in swimsuits, and you…  [+] (5 new replies) 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
#1032282 - makotoitou (08/29/2014) [-]
Or he's just horny. You seem to have forgotten the romance tips Based God wrote.
User avatar #1032267 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
No it doesn't. That just means she has the nicest tits.
User avatar #1032269 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
She didn't though. She was pretty average.
#1032299 - hasai (08/29/2014) [-]
You've gotta give them more credit than that.
User avatar #1032270 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
Depends on what Oreki likes.
#1032260 - Episode 11.5, Oreki spent half the screentime with his eyes pl…  [+] (7 new replies) 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
User avatar #1032264 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
I can stare at a girl's tits and that doesn't mean I'm in love with her.
User avatar #1032265 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
If you're at a pool, surrounded by girls in swimsuits, and you only ever look at one of them, that does mean you're in love with her.
#1032282 - makotoitou (08/29/2014) [-]
Or he's just horny. You seem to have forgotten the romance tips Based God wrote.
User avatar #1032267 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
No it doesn't. That just means she has the nicest tits.
User avatar #1032269 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
She didn't though. She was pretty average.
#1032299 - hasai (08/29/2014) [-]
You've gotta give them more credit than that.
User avatar #1032270 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
Depends on what Oreki likes.
#1032246 - And I only have to force myself because I can't maintain momen… 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
#1032242 - Hyouka's entire plot was literally driven by the MC's attracti…  [+] (15 new replies) 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
User avatar #1032271 - alleksi (08/29/2014) [-]
A high school boy who finds a girl cute does not make it a romance.
Now I agree that the romance at the end of Hyouka was very well executed, but the story of Hyouka does not center around the romance between the two characters.

The requirement for a romance is that the story in itself is about the romantic relationship and development between the characters. This is not what Hyouka is about. When you tell someone that Hyouka is a fantastic romance, you are misleading them and giving them false expectations. A person who goes into Hyouka thinking that it is a romance will find himself thinking "this is the episode they're going to fuck" during every episode (I exaggerate the line of thinking, of course), and then on the last episode goes "What the fuck they didn't even confess what the shit was this crap!? Worst show ever!"
A show is not a romance, and should not be presented as such, even if it has hints of a romantic interest between characters.

All the same reasons apply to silver spoon. Silver Spoon is not a romance, it's a story about a boy trying to find his purpose in life/society. There happens to be a girl who he has a crush on, but once again the story does not revolve around how he deals with those feelings.


Sakurasou no pet na kanojo has an absolutely disgusting and naive message about the relationship between talent and hard work. The main character is just not relatable and just straight up idiotic. "Man, I'm in high school and I want to be a game designer with no pass experience in game designing but hey I play a lot of games so that's fine! Oh, what's this, my first try at a game concept got rejected!? Time for an existential crisis! Man it suck that I'm not talented like that one girl whose been painting all her fucking life and is magically amazing at it! Damn her and her talent!"
It was an okay show before all the buzzword alert forced drama started.
User avatar #1032287 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
A short selection in alphabetical order:
Ah! My Goddess
Arakawa Under the Bridge
Astarotte no Omocha
Chocotto Sister
Hanaukyou Maid-tai

Where are the things you claim explicitly labels those as romances?

Fact is the only thing that defines a romance is the relevance the romantic feelings one main character has for another has to the plot. It would more accurately be portrayed as a scalar than a boolean and most places just have no idea how to define it so they're selectively bad at tagging it.
User avatar #1032380 - alleksi (08/29/2014) [-]
I haven't seen any of the shows you mentioned but let me give you few example of romances

Toradora. That's a romance because it's a story about two people falling in love.
5 centimeters per second. That's a romance because it's about a mans love for a girl/woman. Even though he doesn't get the girl in the end, it's still a romance.

A few examples of shows that are not romance (that are not Hyouka or Silver Spoon), even though MAL labels them as such:

Sora no otoshimono. Not a romance because the love interest is ambiguous, and all the possible candidates are only used to satisfy every viewers desires through fanservice and there is no real romantic progress on the MC's part.
Melancholy/Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya. Not a romance because the story is about the daily antics of living with supernatural things, not about the "possible" romantic relationship between Haruhi and Kyon. The movie isn't a romance either because the main character only shows slight romantic feelings right at the end, and nowhere else.

I'm not denying that these shows don't have romantic parts in them. I'm saying that that is not enough to make it a romance.

You hope or think that there is some romance going on between two characters and then make the conclusion that the show must be a romance, then you tell a person that the show is a romance, meaning that the story is going to be about romantic relationships between characters, even if that's not what the story is about, and that was one of the problems that I had with you.
User avatar #1032409 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
Hatenkou Yuugi
Higashi no Eden
Koi to Senkyou to Chocolate
Mahoromatic
Mekakucity Actors (hell, even I wouldn't call that romance, but MAL does)
Nanaka 6/17

There are a lot of romance anime out there where nothing actually happens romantically.
User avatar #1032411 - alleksi (08/29/2014) [-]
Understand that MAL is not always correct and that the genre-section include pretty much everything that is even slightly included within the series. Focus on the important aspects of the show.
User avatar #1032419 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
That's the thing I was talking about about selectively bad tagging. They'll call Makakucity Actors romance while they refuse to call Toaru Majutsu no Index harem or ecchi.
They don't tag consistently, it's like they look for hints that a tag might be applicable at some point and then flip a coin on whether or not to add it.

That's why it's the least I can do to define my recommendations on whether or not something is relevant to the viewer rather than to pretend I have to adhere to genre definitions as strictly as reviewers. I'll bet you none of the people that have asked me for romance anime have after watching the recommended shows asked themselves "and where's the romance?".
User avatar #1032248 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
Attraction, not romantic urges.
One of the themes of Hyouka is this whole thing of wanting to live a peacefull albeit dull life in comparasin to a life with more excitement but with more requirements of resposibility of initiative.
The reason Oreki was drawn to Eru was because she was his link towards the rose coloured high school life that he deep down wanted. It was nothing to do with romance. Not until the last episode is that question eve brought up.
User avatar #1032260 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
Episode 11.5, Oreki spent half the screentime with his eyes plastered to Chitanda's bust.

The dude never took any steps that would require more effort than absolutely necessary, he just couldn't bring himself to say no to her or let her down.
Dude was head over heels for her from the first time she looked him in the eyes and said "I'm curious!"
User avatar #1032264 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
I can stare at a girl's tits and that doesn't mean I'm in love with her.
User avatar #1032265 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
If you're at a pool, surrounded by girls in swimsuits, and you only ever look at one of them, that does mean you're in love with her.
#1032282 - makotoitou (08/29/2014) [-]
Or he's just horny. You seem to have forgotten the romance tips Based God wrote.
User avatar #1032267 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
No it doesn't. That just means she has the nicest tits.
User avatar #1032269 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
She didn't though. She was pretty average.
#1032299 - hasai (08/29/2014) [-]
You've gotta give them more credit than that.
User avatar #1032270 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
Depends on what Oreki likes.
#1032232 - Says the guy with the undoubtedly ********* taste…  [+] (2 new replies) 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
User avatar #1032257 - bababadsheep (08/29/2014) [-]
But Makki-chan has great tastes and watches only fun stuff.
#1032233 - makotoitou (08/29/2014) [-]
#1032228 - Also the only way to find the golden nuggets is to keep diggin… 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
#1032224 - Hyouka had amazingly good romance. Kotoura-san may not ha…  [+] (23 new replies) 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
User avatar #1032234 - alleksi (08/29/2014) [-]
Hyouka is not a romance because the characters don't have romantic intents 90% of the show. Same applies to Silver Spoon. You don't watch either of the shows "because of the romance". Just because they have romantic development towards the end doesn't make it a romance. Anyone who watches either of those shows for the romance will be severely misled.
Hyouka is a slice of life/mystery.
Silver spoon is a slice of life/comedy.
Neither of them are romances as the story lines doesn't revolve around the romantic progress of the characters. Learn your genres.

Henneko is shit ecchi otaku pandering, and sakurasou is barely a romance with a terrible message, an atrocious second half and the most illogical, unlikable main character of its season. Kotoura-san is sub par in pretty much every way possible.

What I don't understand is why you force yourself to watch terrible shit like Rail Wars just because it has romance in it.
User avatar #1032246 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
And I only have to force myself because I can't maintain momentum across weeks. It's starting each episode that takes effort, not watching them.
User avatar #1032242 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
Hyouka's entire plot was literally driven by the MC's attraction to the chick, he was the only one who did anything and he only ever did it for her sake.
Silver Spoon was mostly the MC and the chick relying on eachother for encouragement.
Both portray the romance better than most of what MAL recognizes as romance.

And the fact that you can't recognize Sakurasou's value just proves you an imbecile, it was absolutely amazing in its portrayal of a savant character.
User avatar #1032271 - alleksi (08/29/2014) [-]
A high school boy who finds a girl cute does not make it a romance.
Now I agree that the romance at the end of Hyouka was very well executed, but the story of Hyouka does not center around the romance between the two characters.

The requirement for a romance is that the story in itself is about the romantic relationship and development between the characters. This is not what Hyouka is about. When you tell someone that Hyouka is a fantastic romance, you are misleading them and giving them false expectations. A person who goes into Hyouka thinking that it is a romance will find himself thinking "this is the episode they're going to fuck" during every episode (I exaggerate the line of thinking, of course), and then on the last episode goes "What the fuck they didn't even confess what the shit was this crap!? Worst show ever!"
A show is not a romance, and should not be presented as such, even if it has hints of a romantic interest between characters.

All the same reasons apply to silver spoon. Silver Spoon is not a romance, it's a story about a boy trying to find his purpose in life/society. There happens to be a girl who he has a crush on, but once again the story does not revolve around how he deals with those feelings.


Sakurasou no pet na kanojo has an absolutely disgusting and naive message about the relationship between talent and hard work. The main character is just not relatable and just straight up idiotic. "Man, I'm in high school and I want to be a game designer with no pass experience in game designing but hey I play a lot of games so that's fine! Oh, what's this, my first try at a game concept got rejected!? Time for an existential crisis! Man it suck that I'm not talented like that one girl whose been painting all her fucking life and is magically amazing at it! Damn her and her talent!"
It was an okay show before all the buzzword alert forced drama started.
User avatar #1032287 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
A short selection in alphabetical order:
Ah! My Goddess
Arakawa Under the Bridge
Astarotte no Omocha
Chocotto Sister
Hanaukyou Maid-tai

Where are the things you claim explicitly labels those as romances?

Fact is the only thing that defines a romance is the relevance the romantic feelings one main character has for another has to the plot. It would more accurately be portrayed as a scalar than a boolean and most places just have no idea how to define it so they're selectively bad at tagging it.
User avatar #1032380 - alleksi (08/29/2014) [-]
I haven't seen any of the shows you mentioned but let me give you few example of romances

Toradora. That's a romance because it's a story about two people falling in love.
5 centimeters per second. That's a romance because it's about a mans love for a girl/woman. Even though he doesn't get the girl in the end, it's still a romance.

A few examples of shows that are not romance (that are not Hyouka or Silver Spoon), even though MAL labels them as such:

Sora no otoshimono. Not a romance because the love interest is ambiguous, and all the possible candidates are only used to satisfy every viewers desires through fanservice and there is no real romantic progress on the MC's part.
Melancholy/Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya. Not a romance because the story is about the daily antics of living with supernatural things, not about the "possible" romantic relationship between Haruhi and Kyon. The movie isn't a romance either because the main character only shows slight romantic feelings right at the end, and nowhere else.

I'm not denying that these shows don't have romantic parts in them. I'm saying that that is not enough to make it a romance.

You hope or think that there is some romance going on between two characters and then make the conclusion that the show must be a romance, then you tell a person that the show is a romance, meaning that the story is going to be about romantic relationships between characters, even if that's not what the story is about, and that was one of the problems that I had with you.
User avatar #1032409 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
Hatenkou Yuugi
Higashi no Eden
Koi to Senkyou to Chocolate
Mahoromatic
Mekakucity Actors (hell, even I wouldn't call that romance, but MAL does)
Nanaka 6/17

There are a lot of romance anime out there where nothing actually happens romantically.
User avatar #1032411 - alleksi (08/29/2014) [-]
Understand that MAL is not always correct and that the genre-section include pretty much everything that is even slightly included within the series. Focus on the important aspects of the show.
User avatar #1032419 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
That's the thing I was talking about about selectively bad tagging. They'll call Makakucity Actors romance while they refuse to call Toaru Majutsu no Index harem or ecchi.
They don't tag consistently, it's like they look for hints that a tag might be applicable at some point and then flip a coin on whether or not to add it.

That's why it's the least I can do to define my recommendations on whether or not something is relevant to the viewer rather than to pretend I have to adhere to genre definitions as strictly as reviewers. I'll bet you none of the people that have asked me for romance anime have after watching the recommended shows asked themselves "and where's the romance?".
User avatar #1032248 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
Attraction, not romantic urges.
One of the themes of Hyouka is this whole thing of wanting to live a peacefull albeit dull life in comparasin to a life with more excitement but with more requirements of resposibility of initiative.
The reason Oreki was drawn to Eru was because she was his link towards the rose coloured high school life that he deep down wanted. It was nothing to do with romance. Not until the last episode is that question eve brought up.
User avatar #1032260 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
Episode 11.5, Oreki spent half the screentime with his eyes plastered to Chitanda's bust.

The dude never took any steps that would require more effort than absolutely necessary, he just couldn't bring himself to say no to her or let her down.
Dude was head over heels for her from the first time she looked him in the eyes and said "I'm curious!"
User avatar #1032264 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
I can stare at a girl's tits and that doesn't mean I'm in love with her.
User avatar #1032265 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
If you're at a pool, surrounded by girls in swimsuits, and you only ever look at one of them, that does mean you're in love with her.
#1032282 - makotoitou (08/29/2014) [-]
Or he's just horny. You seem to have forgotten the romance tips Based God wrote.
User avatar #1032267 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
No it doesn't. That just means she has the nicest tits.
User avatar #1032269 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
She didn't though. She was pretty average.
#1032299 - hasai (08/29/2014) [-]
You've gotta give them more credit than that.
User avatar #1032270 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
Depends on what Oreki likes.
#1032230 - makotoitou (08/29/2014) [-]
>kotoura-san
>calling it anything but shit
User avatar #1032232 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
Says the guy with the undoubtedly shittiest taste on the board.
User avatar #1032257 - bababadsheep (08/29/2014) [-]
But Makki-chan has great tastes and watches only fun stuff.
#1032233 - makotoitou (08/29/2014) [-]
User avatar #1032228 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
Also the only way to find the golden nuggets is to keep digging through the dirt.
#1032212 - I don't watch everything with romance, just everything with ro… 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
#449306 - No, but it would be fun. One time I randomly met tanabata …  [+] (2 new replies) 08/29/2014 on Shin Anime Social Board +3
#449307 - tanabata (08/29/2014) [-]
Vzzzzzt! Rahrahrahrah! Vrrrrr! Wahahahaaaaaa!
#449318 - the one and only (08/29/2014) [-]
#1032207 - It's a **** concept. I'm able not to loathe i…  [+] (30 new replies) 08/29/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
User avatar #1032218 - awesomedewd (08/29/2014) [-]
I wouldn't say force.
But it's definitly not a show I'd look forward to watch the next episode of.
But yeah, the romance so far seems to be the going point.
I'm still on the edge about it, just finished the second ep, to see if I actually finish it.
#1032213 - alleksi (08/29/2014) [-]
I'm just straight up going to say that I fucking loathe how you want to be some fucking self proclaimed romance expert.

It's perfectly fine if romance is your favorite genre, good for you, but for fuck sake why are you forcing yourself to like everything that has romance. If a show is shit, it's shit even if it has hints of your "favorite thing".
Just because you like romance doesn't mean that you have to like everything that is romance.

You don't have to have a "thing". That's fucking retarded.

Not to mention your taste in romance is questionable as best, but that's just my opinion
case 1: recommending Hyouka as a romance
case 2: recommending Kotoura-san to anyone
case 3: recommending Sakurasou no pet na kanojo as a romance
case 4: recommending hentai ouji to warawanai neko to anyone
case 5: recommending silver spoon as a romance


Do yourself a favor and stop acting so fucking retarded. Instead of being on some fucking journey to watch every romance anime ever, how about you go on a journey to only watching good (romance) anime.
User avatar #1032245 - bababadsheep (08/29/2014) [-]
Ganbatte senpai! Teach him a lesson!
User avatar #1032224 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
Hyouka had amazingly good romance.
Kotoura-san may not have been great, but it was more than decent.
Sakurasou was amazing.
Henneko was hilarious and adorable.
Silver Spoon has romance as the primary subject, at least from a genre standpoint, it's just slow.

And I'm not on a quest to watch all romance. I barely dabble in shoujo, I stay away from josei, I hesitate if there's drama or mecha and just fuck shoujo-ai, shounen-ai, yuri and yaoi.
I watch romance because I like it and it's the only thing I look for because it's the only thing I'm interested in. The only reason I'm so desperate to keep watching more is because I have way too much spare time and constantly run out of shit to do. If I don't have shit to watch or games to play I end up spending 18 hours a day browsing Funnyjunk, which is just as mind-numbingly boring an existence as you'd expect.
User avatar #1032234 - alleksi (08/29/2014) [-]
Hyouka is not a romance because the characters don't have romantic intents 90% of the show. Same applies to Silver Spoon. You don't watch either of the shows "because of the romance". Just because they have romantic development towards the end doesn't make it a romance. Anyone who watches either of those shows for the romance will be severely misled.
Hyouka is a slice of life/mystery.
Silver spoon is a slice of life/comedy.
Neither of them are romances as the story lines doesn't revolve around the romantic progress of the characters. Learn your genres.

Henneko is shit ecchi otaku pandering, and sakurasou is barely a romance with a terrible message, an atrocious second half and the most illogical, unlikable main character of its season. Kotoura-san is sub par in pretty much every way possible.

What I don't understand is why you force yourself to watch terrible shit like Rail Wars just because it has romance in it.
User avatar #1032246 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
And I only have to force myself because I can't maintain momentum across weeks. It's starting each episode that takes effort, not watching them.
User avatar #1032242 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
Hyouka's entire plot was literally driven by the MC's attraction to the chick, he was the only one who did anything and he only ever did it for her sake.
Silver Spoon was mostly the MC and the chick relying on eachother for encouragement.
Both portray the romance better than most of what MAL recognizes as romance.

And the fact that you can't recognize Sakurasou's value just proves you an imbecile, it was absolutely amazing in its portrayal of a savant character.
User avatar #1032271 - alleksi (08/29/2014) [-]
A high school boy who finds a girl cute does not make it a romance.
Now I agree that the romance at the end of Hyouka was very well executed, but the story of Hyouka does not center around the romance between the two characters.

The requirement for a romance is that the story in itself is about the romantic relationship and development between the characters. This is not what Hyouka is about. When you tell someone that Hyouka is a fantastic romance, you are misleading them and giving them false expectations. A person who goes into Hyouka thinking that it is a romance will find himself thinking "this is the episode they're going to fuck" during every episode (I exaggerate the line of thinking, of course), and then on the last episode goes "What the fuck they didn't even confess what the shit was this crap!? Worst show ever!"
A show is not a romance, and should not be presented as such, even if it has hints of a romantic interest between characters.

All the same reasons apply to silver spoon. Silver Spoon is not a romance, it's a story about a boy trying to find his purpose in life/society. There happens to be a girl who he has a crush on, but once again the story does not revolve around how he deals with those feelings.


Sakurasou no pet na kanojo has an absolutely disgusting and naive message about the relationship between talent and hard work. The main character is just not relatable and just straight up idiotic. "Man, I'm in high school and I want to be a game designer with no pass experience in game designing but hey I play a lot of games so that's fine! Oh, what's this, my first try at a game concept got rejected!? Time for an existential crisis! Man it suck that I'm not talented like that one girl whose been painting all her fucking life and is magically amazing at it! Damn her and her talent!"
It was an okay show before all the buzzword alert forced drama started.
User avatar #1032287 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
A short selection in alphabetical order:
Ah! My Goddess
Arakawa Under the Bridge
Astarotte no Omocha
Chocotto Sister
Hanaukyou Maid-tai

Where are the things you claim explicitly labels those as romances?

Fact is the only thing that defines a romance is the relevance the romantic feelings one main character has for another has to the plot. It would more accurately be portrayed as a scalar than a boolean and most places just have no idea how to define it so they're selectively bad at tagging it.
User avatar #1032380 - alleksi (08/29/2014) [-]
I haven't seen any of the shows you mentioned but let me give you few example of romances

Toradora. That's a romance because it's a story about two people falling in love.
5 centimeters per second. That's a romance because it's about a mans love for a girl/woman. Even though he doesn't get the girl in the end, it's still a romance.

A few examples of shows that are not romance (that are not Hyouka or Silver Spoon), even though MAL labels them as such:

Sora no otoshimono. Not a romance because the love interest is ambiguous, and all the possible candidates are only used to satisfy every viewers desires through fanservice and there is no real romantic progress on the MC's part.
Melancholy/Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya. Not a romance because the story is about the daily antics of living with supernatural things, not about the "possible" romantic relationship between Haruhi and Kyon. The movie isn't a romance either because the main character only shows slight romantic feelings right at the end, and nowhere else.

I'm not denying that these shows don't have romantic parts in them. I'm saying that that is not enough to make it a romance.

You hope or think that there is some romance going on between two characters and then make the conclusion that the show must be a romance, then you tell a person that the show is a romance, meaning that the story is going to be about romantic relationships between characters, even if that's not what the story is about, and that was one of the problems that I had with you.
User avatar #1032409 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
Hatenkou Yuugi
Higashi no Eden
Koi to Senkyou to Chocolate
Mahoromatic
Mekakucity Actors (hell, even I wouldn't call that romance, but MAL does)
Nanaka 6/17

There are a lot of romance anime out there where nothing actually happens romantically.
User avatar #1032411 - alleksi (08/29/2014) [-]
Understand that MAL is not always correct and that the genre-section include pretty much everything that is even slightly included within the series. Focus on the important aspects of the show.
User avatar #1032419 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
That's the thing I was talking about about selectively bad tagging. They'll call Makakucity Actors romance while they refuse to call Toaru Majutsu no Index harem or ecchi.
They don't tag consistently, it's like they look for hints that a tag might be applicable at some point and then flip a coin on whether or not to add it.

That's why it's the least I can do to define my recommendations on whether or not something is relevant to the viewer rather than to pretend I have to adhere to genre definitions as strictly as reviewers. I'll bet you none of the people that have asked me for romance anime have after watching the recommended shows asked themselves "and where's the romance?".
User avatar #1032248 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
Attraction, not romantic urges.
One of the themes of Hyouka is this whole thing of wanting to live a peacefull albeit dull life in comparasin to a life with more excitement but with more requirements of resposibility of initiative.
The reason Oreki was drawn to Eru was because she was his link towards the rose coloured high school life that he deep down wanted. It was nothing to do with romance. Not until the last episode is that question eve brought up.
User avatar #1032260 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
Episode 11.5, Oreki spent half the screentime with his eyes plastered to Chitanda's bust.

The dude never took any steps that would require more effort than absolutely necessary, he just couldn't bring himself to say no to her or let her down.
Dude was head over heels for her from the first time she looked him in the eyes and said "I'm curious!"
User avatar #1032264 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
I can stare at a girl's tits and that doesn't mean I'm in love with her.
User avatar #1032265 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
If you're at a pool, surrounded by girls in swimsuits, and you only ever look at one of them, that does mean you're in love with her.
#1032282 - makotoitou (08/29/2014) [-]
Or he's just horny. You seem to have forgotten the romance tips Based God wrote.
User avatar #1032267 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
No it doesn't. That just means she has the nicest tits.
User avatar #1032269 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
She didn't though. She was pretty average.
#1032299 - hasai (08/29/2014) [-]
You've gotta give them more credit than that.
User avatar #1032270 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
Depends on what Oreki likes.
#1032230 - makotoitou (08/29/2014) [-]
>kotoura-san
>calling it anything but shit
User avatar #1032232 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
Says the guy with the undoubtedly shittiest taste on the board.
User avatar #1032257 - bababadsheep (08/29/2014) [-]
But Makki-chan has great tastes and watches only fun stuff.
#1032233 - makotoitou (08/29/2014) [-]
User avatar #1032228 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
Also the only way to find the golden nuggets is to keep digging through the dirt.
#1032220 - awesomedewd (08/29/2014) [-]
User avatar #1032210 - lawuser (08/29/2014) [-]
Then just stop watching it.
You're not obligated to watch anything with romance in it. You're not even obligated to like romance. Have you ever thought that it might not be as good as you consider it to be?
User avatar #1032212 - TheMather (08/29/2014) [-]
I don't watch everything with romance, just everything with romance that's more enjoyable than painful to watch. Romance is the only thing I consistently enjoy other than undefeatable MCs and I watch so much anime that I can't afford to be picky, else I'll just be bored.

I mean, the reason I'm not watching anime that are more enjoyable to me is because I've seen them all, or at least all that my network of connections are able to find, so it's less enjoyable or nothing.
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User avatar #69 - yibdiy (09/14/2014) [-]
"lordsaten requires that you be a friend to view this profile."
What's the mention about?
User avatar #70 to #69 - TheMather ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
"users you'd like to eat breakfast with/meet IRL"
User avatar #72 to #70 - zomaru ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
Now I'm even more curious as to how I of all people was mentioned.
User avatar #73 to #72 - TheMather ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
Well, you're a cool guy and we share a taste for Shana clones. That's all it takes for me to like you.
User avatar #74 to #73 - yibdiy (09/14/2014) [-]
Oh, and why me then?
I mean, I hate tsundere, I didn't enjoy your favorite anime much and I'm not really a fan of romcoms. We have pretty different tastes, I'd say.
One thing we most certainly do share, though, is liking Misaka.
User avatar #75 to #74 - TheMather ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
It's not like Shana clones and romcoms are all I like. I prefer tomboys over Shana clones and romance-heavy action stories over romcoms.
Misaka is my overall favorite character in any medium, and unlike so many of the others who like her you don't just dismiss Index as inferior to Railgun. And to rationally be able to explain the things you don't like about it, of course that makes you a swell dude in my book.

Also your contribution to the recommendation board. The fact that you're willing to help other people like that is just awesome.
User avatar #76 to #75 - yibdiy (09/14/2014) [-]
I see
Thanks, man. It's probably because I like having discussions and you are great for this, I like talking to you. You aren't self-entitled elitist little **** and behave like a well-behaved person, I like that aspect of you very much. Something I thought was going to happen on /anime/... I thought wrong (for the most part, anyway).

Well, I remember how clueless I was back then when I started, so I'd like to help others to get into the hobby that I enjoy so much and is quite a big part of my life now.

Oh boy, that sounds so gay, but you understand, right?

Also saten added me to friends, so I can now go to Shin, great. Too bad I'll just lurk a lot to learn how things work over there before actually posting anything.
User avatar #77 to #76 - TheMather ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
Thanks. I often worry that how stubborn I am with my opinions makes me sound like a douche in prolonged discussions, so hearing you say that really means a lot to me.

And I decided to make the rec board for a similar reason. I quickly gained momentum when I started out, thanks to two of the guys I hang out with every day for the first year having years of experience watching anime, but as I ran out of obvious stuff to watch, I became more and more reliant on /anime/ for finding new ones. So last summer while the rec threads were rolling in like crazy, and due to the large disparity between people that were trying to help them out and people that were just bitching about it, I used that as an excuse to make a place where people that are having trouble finding stuff, like I was, could get help.
User avatar #78 to #77 - yibdiy (09/14/2014) [-]
Nah, you are completely fine, you just stand by your convictions and opinions but without being an asshole about it and with rational explanations.

Yeah, it's great place for people to get recs from those, who are well-versed (unlike most of the internet) in anime/manga without being shat on (like they would be on /anime/ or /a/). It's also good when you'd like to watch/read something specific.
User avatar #68 - zomaru ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
Psst. You mentioned me.
User avatar #66 - tanabata (07/20/2014) [-]
Where did all the good romance anime go?
User avatar #67 to #66 - TheMather ONLINE (07/20/2014) [-]
It promptly ****** off when summer started.
Well, most of it did. There's still Glasslip, Jinsei (presumably), Majimoji Rurumo (as annoying as the fact that it's ironic comedy is), Rail Wars and Rokujyoma no Shinryakusha. Plus Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei (goddamn that's hard to spell while drunk) leftover from last season.
#64 - tanabata (06/20/2014) [-]
Flawless Victory!
#54 - flybager (05/31/2014) [-]
Can I trade with you now?
Can I trade with you now?
User avatar #56 to #54 - TheMather ONLINE (05/31/2014) [-]
Ah, **** , sorry. It says I need to have had Steam Guard enabled for 15 days to trade. I enabled it now but I can't do anything about the wait.
#59 to #56 - flybager (05/31/2014) [-]
Oh, that's alright, there's no real hurry behind it.

Only reason why I've been pushing you is that I'm afraid I'm going to forget I bothered you for it.

So how's you anyways? we never really chit-chat'd after the Xmad random gifter we did
User avatar #61 to #59 - TheMather ONLINE (05/31/2014) [-]
I'm good. I've just been enjoying life with anime and binge drinking while hoping not to fail too many exams.
User avatar #55 to #54 - TheMather ONLINE (05/31/2014) [-]
Yeah, sorry. Volume was a bit screwed up and I was ingame both of the times you tried to contact me, so I didn't see your messages until hours later.
#57 to #55 - flybager (05/31/2014) [-]
It's telling me I can't send a trade request, my guess because you're on a mobile.

User avatar #58 to #57 - TheMather ONLINE (05/31/2014) [-]
Nah, mobile is just in addition to to the computer, plus I think the mobile app lets you trade as well.
User avatar #60 to #58 - flybager (05/31/2014) [-]
Oh, well, we'll see in 15 days, then?
User avatar #62 to #60 - TheMather ONLINE (05/31/2014) [-]
Sure.
#29 - bababadsheep (05/15/2014) [-]
docs.google.com/document/d/1Ur6mqoQuOBskk-N3lJarVamVFMvx1vfQ3zmo80AdIPU/edit?usp=sharing

Review this please. Check for spelling mistakes, and if there is anything I missed or that you think I should add.
#47 to #46 - bababadsheep (05/20/2014) [-]
Go away Josh, nobody likes you. And your in my shop this time, skit skit or I'll cut you on my edge.
User avatar #48 to #47 - joshlol (05/20/2014) [-]
sorry m8 I just love to post that at every chance I get
User avatar #30 to #29 - TheMather ONLINE (05/15/2014) [-]
Woo. I am the most informed!

Anyways, it's romaji, not romanji.
Also didn't know asking for source/opinions was frowned on, and you might want to add "outside of the dedicated recommendation board" to the part about requests.
User avatar #31 to #30 - bababadsheep (05/15/2014) [-]
Updated what you commented on. Should I add some notes on VNs, or not bother? Also, trying to decide what format I want to put this in. Structure it as an image, make it a post, I don't know. Thoughts?
User avatar #24 - flybager (12/18/2013) [-]
Hi there.

Holy crap did I truly find someone who knew hansjsand?
User avatar #25 to #24 - TheMather ONLINE (12/18/2013) [-]
Yo.

I don't know him per se, but we've talked before and gotten along.
User avatar #26 to #25 - flybager (12/18/2013) [-]
How're things?

He was the first person I met and became friends with on funnyjunk, and one of my best friends here.

'bout a year ago he finished college and went to work, and nowadays doesn't come on funnyjunk anymore at all due to no time.
Last time he was to be considered 'active' was back when the pony-fandom first erupted here, on funnyjunk. (to give you a refference)
Assuming you remember that

I'm just glad to have found a trace of him on funnyjunk itself.
#19 - zameckis (11/23/2013) [-]
good day, sir themather.
User avatar #20 to #19 - TheMather ONLINE (11/23/2013) [-]
Uhm, hello?
User avatar #21 to #20 - zameckis (11/23/2013) [-]
how's the day treating you?
User avatar #22 to #21 - TheMather ONLINE (11/23/2013) [-]
Good, but it'd be hard for it to treat me badly since I started it with vodka.

You?
#23 to #22 - zameckis (11/23/2013) [-]
apologize for pending reply, something pop up.   
   
ah i see, what a good start eh.   
as for myself, my day seems quite dandy so far, thanks for asking.
apologize for pending reply, something pop up.

ah i see, what a good start eh.
as for myself, my day seems quite dandy so far, thanks for asking.
#17 - anonymousbrony (08/14/2013) [-]
Well I posted it.   
   
I hope you realize what is most likely going to happen is that we'll get a BUNCH of people going to the anime board with 						********					 rec thread requests. That or it will just get thumbed down. Either way, I lose something. Enjoy the rest of your day friend.   
www.funnyjunk.com/channel/animemanga/Recommendations+Board/qfjtGds
Well I posted it.

I hope you realize what is most likely going to happen is that we'll get a BUNCH of people going to the anime board with ******** rec thread requests. That or it will just get thumbed down. Either way, I lose something. Enjoy the rest of your day friend.
www.funnyjunk.com/channel/animemanga/Recommendations+Board/qfjtGds
User avatar #13 - anonymousbrony (08/14/2013) [-]
So I finally started making the post.

I'm just doing something simple, basically just a text post. Anything you want me to say, I'm not very literate when it comes to these things. I figured I would just say something along the lines of this...

"To the users of FJ
The /anime/ board community has made a "Recommendations Board" for any to visit where they can ask for what ever type of anime they want. We have many images and links already up that would take days to complete, and you can create threads if you wish for a specific anime. Many of the /anime/ regulars are posting there and keeping an eye on the board so you will get the replies you wish for. If anyone has posted a rec thread before on the /anime/ board, do you recall the crappy anime, shota, and hate you received for doing so? With the creation of the Rec Thread we ask you to please stop coming to the /anime/ board asking for recommendations, we receive multiple of these threads a day and would like them to stop."

I didn't spend much time on it so if you want me to add anything I don't mind.
User avatar #15 to #13 - TheMather ONLINE (08/14/2013) [-]
Sounds perfect to me.
User avatar #16 to #15 - anonymousbrony (08/14/2013) [-]
Well, I'll put the text in the image.

I'm going to see if the anime board likes it or not.
I just hope it's not so bad I get banned.
User avatar #14 to #13 - anonymousbrony (08/14/2013) [-]
Well, it's going to be an image though.
#9 - anonymous (08/04/2013) [-]
ur rong
User avatar #10 to #9 - TheMather ONLINE (08/04/2013) [-]
I don't think I'll trust someone who lacks the ability to follow even a single gramatical or conversational rule to judge the correctness of any statement I've made.
And by the way, you're a coward.
#11 to #10 - anonymous (08/04/2013) [-]
ur still rong ya fagget
User avatar #12 to #11 - TheMather ONLINE (08/04/2013) [-]
You yet again fail to convince me you've got an IQ above even a single multiple of ten. Especially because you apparently fail to realize that posting on a profile means you can be IP blocked, which you just were.
User avatar #3 - lawuser (05/06/2013) [-]
You wouldn't happen to play RuneScape, would you?
User avatar #4 to #3 - TheMather ONLINE (05/06/2013) [-]
I do.
I'm guessing you maybe recognize my name from a clan event that took place yesterday?
User avatar #5 to #4 - lawuser (05/06/2013) [-]
Not exactly, I was just there sometime last week and I recognixed your name is all. I asked if it was you but you never answered.
User avatar #6 to #5 - TheMather ONLINE (05/06/2013) [-]
Must've been a really bad timing. I usually respond when people talk to me, and if you mentioned my name that should have caught my attention right away.
What's your username? Mine's The Mather1 as you know.
User avatar #7 to #6 - lawuser (05/06/2013) [-]
The Lawuser. I joined the clan some weeks ago although I mostly play 07 at the time being.
User avatar #8 to #7 - TheMather ONLINE (05/06/2013) [-]
I only joined about 5 weeks ago myself. I play the current version but I'm not really progressing that fast since I can't bear to grind. I've had the account since 2006, but I've only got a total level of 1666.
#1 - hansjsand (05/19/2011) [-]
Hello! wazzup?

Btw... Comment virginity REMOVED!
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