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#861 - anonymous (05/19/2012) [-]
You sir are one of the few people on the internet who actually managed to figure this shit out. It's pathetic to watch these pissing contests it is. bravo to you.
#405 - somestranger (05/19/2012) [-]
I learned this shit just recently in one my classes. With the lack of god's tangible pressence then followers can create "faith". Faith is the basis for all religion. The connection between god and his people are solely on a 1 on 1 basis. Not organized religion. So if all these organized religions were to prove God exists then religion would change entirely. Religion would no longer be based on faith but rather fear of his power. Just a neat little thought.
#600 - Cambro (05/19/2012) [-]
Perhaps, then, you have applied the idea incorrectly. Religion would completely change if the tangible presence of a God existed. It makes sense, then, that if such a God were to exist that He would wish to be invisible so actual love and devotion is possible as opposed to blind fear. Also, if God was seen and known by all there could be no converts and no mercy. Either you obeyed or you paid the consequences. A merciful God, therefore, would remain unseen and use faith as a tool to save as many souls as He can.
Why have a hell in which to save mankind from, you ask? Simple justice. It would not be fair for every man and woman despite goodness, wickedness, faithful, or blasphemous would be endowed with the same fate. Those who turn to that God (no matter what religions that God may be) become good by the faith they have in Him initially in this world and then in the hereafter. The blasphemous, until the day they die, have an opportunity to reach that same fate if they should turn. This God has sent prophets and envoys to secure and begin the faithfulness of people to make Himself known without showing Himself and unwraveling the social order of the world he created.
I am not claiming to be of any religion nor am I claiming it is the right world view. However I am saying it is logical when thought about critically instead of being dismissed at first glance. I have come to know this: if you have never deeply challenged what you believe and had your faith in whatever you believe (yes, even atheism requires some faith), than you have not thought about it enough.
Sorry its so long.
#921 - anonymous (05/19/2012) [-]
That was the single most intelligent thing I've ever read on this site.
#960 - Cambro (05/19/2012) [-]
Turning towards God makes people good but it is not necessary for goodness to exist. I know plenty of good atheists and I rather them than the people who are good because a 2000 year old book says to be good. Hinduism, all forms of Buddhism, Neo-Confucianism, Judaism and (believe it or not) Christianity are all inclusivist religions. That is, even if you are not a member of their religion, you can enter their heaven or afterlife. Paul (the main writer of the New Testament including almost all of the letters to churches) stated that "no action is good or bad in itself. Do what you believe is to be good but if what you do offends your brother, do not do it." (Romans 14). That verse is saying that almost no religious action is good or can let you be damned in itself. Paul also says in Corinthians , I think, that should a man not hear the Law (the Gospel) he may not be judged by it. In this way, he is judged by his own society. If he was righteous in his society that was devoid of God, then he is granted access into heaven. Please, do not believe the hate mongering Christians when they say people are damned. If they actually knew their Bible they would know this is false. The Christian God is loving and merciful and is very careful not to damn individuals (if you want to argue about the Old Testament and this picture of God, I may do that for you too).
I personally have my own religion which is inclusivist and is a combination of Neo-Confucianism, Messianic Judaism and Christianity. I believe in the Christian God, but I peer at him and live my life thro an eastern religions lens rather than a Western Christianity view.