See but here's the real nasty part there. The above is the worst case scenario. But you've got women intentionally putting holes in condoms, lying about their birth control, or liqouring people up so that they can't make a proper decision and/or control what their doing in a proper means.

These things happen, and have happened on more than just a handful of occasions, so instead of running from the problem at hand and demanding I 'grow up' why don't you actually sit the fuck down and think through some of the real issues that can lead to the entrapment of someone?

That and you still haven't addressed the fact that a woman(in a first world country where they fully have that freedom of choice) is never actually forced to carry a child.

Going even further past that, you said this-

as long as people have sex with people who care about each other and themselves, coming to an agreement shouldn't be too hard to do.

-But do you have any idea how many abusive relationships there are out there, for the man or the woman, emotionally or physically.

But again, if you're only argument is women CHOOSE to carry the baby then men should be forced to pay. Because clearly that makes sense.

That's like saying if I choose not to work for the rest of my life you should have to pay for me. Makes no sense.

What it is Ninjeh is that they have no argument base, so they only go after the small pieces they think they can win against, but missing the rest of the post means everyone knows they're failing anyway.

First and foremost, no one forces them to do anything with the child. It' their choice to carry to term or not.

But Citrus hit you up on that already. Instead I want to go back to someone being forced to do something.

When an adult woman coerces, either through physical, verbal or emotional manipulation, a minor as young as 11 years of age into having sexual relations with them, becomes pregnant, carries the baby to term and then successfully sues the child, who was raped by said woman, into paying child support, where is the fairness in that? That this young boy will have to grow up a rape victim, something that will affect him for the rest of his life, now has to be further victimised, completely legally at that, by having first his innocence and privacy, but now his money and livelihood stripped from him until the day his child becomes an adult.

You think that is fair? Because the woman carried the child for nine months? When her victim is going to no doubt have relationship and trust issues for the rest of his life? That there is a fair chance he will develop Borderline Personality Disorder( www.helpguide.org/articles/personality-disorders/borderline-personality-disorder.htm ) as a result, which will make his life even harder?

That, as no doubt someone will reply to this and prove, there will be people who absolutely refuse to take the idea of him being a rape victim seriously, that tell him to suck it up and move one?

Oh but hey, what with men's successful suicide rates already being higher than womens, and their mental and emotional health constantly being marginalised, especially when it's rape accusations, I can totally understand how nine months of pregnancy is a completely and totally valid argument.

Next time a boy is raped I guess he should put a condom on, right?

See but here's the real nasty part there. The above is the worst case scenario. But you've got women intentionally putting holes in condoms, lying about their birth control, or liqouring people up so that they can't make a proper decision and/or control what their doing in a proper means.

These things happen, and have happened on more than just a handful of occasions, so instead of running from the problem at hand and demanding I 'grow up' why don't you actually sit the fuck down and think through some of the real issues that can lead to the entrapment of someone?

That and you still haven't addressed the fact that a woman(in a first world country where they fully have that freedom of choice) is never actually forced to carry a child.

Going even further past that, you said this-

as long as people have sex with people who care about each other and themselves, coming to an agreement shouldn't be too hard to do.

-But do you have any idea how many abusive relationships there are out there, for the man or the woman, emotionally or physically.

But again, if you're only argument is women CHOOSE to carry the baby then men should be forced to pay. Because clearly that makes sense.

That's like saying if I choose not to work for the rest of my life you should have to pay for me. Makes no sense.

What it is Ninjeh is that they have no argument base, so they only go after the small pieces they think they can win against, but missing the rest of the post means everyone knows they're failing anyway.

See comments 44 and 107.