Countries who've imposed strict gun laws haven't seen an outbreak of homemade guns that creates a significant increase in gun violence that is even somewhat proportional to gun violence without those laws.

Not to mention, it's home made with tools and parts not everyone owns and skills not everyone has. You're going to have to at least own some power tools, and some machine tools if you don't want to carve the stock out with a knife, and even then it won't be exactly fast. I said you could make a musket if you know you're an expert woodworker, you can make this shotgun as well but we can downgrade expert to knowledgeable. What I said about the rate of production still stands.

Despite that, saying people can make their own guns isn't statistically proven to drastically effect gun violence in countries with different gun laws, so despite the elements of logic that are present in your theory, it does not have a basis in reality at the moment, unless we're talking about any militias with access to a huge work force or a factory. In Canada, a country extremely similar in culture to America (except we're less angry), we have gun violence and guns are somewhat accessible, but they're not by any means as easy to get as in some States; we have lower gun homicide rates, much much lower, and we also don't have an outbreak of home-made guns. Neither does that happen in Australia, after USA-style mass shootings forced them to enact strict gun laws, they saw a decrease in gun violence but no increase in home made guns. Production rates and accessibility are what separate them from drug usage, and what would prevent home-made guns from creating as big of an issue as guns sold en masse.

Can you provide a source for home-made guns being an enormous problem in a G8/G20 country that has imposed strict gun Laws?

Australia biker gangs like to sell them for relatively cheap,

dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/deadly-diy-homemade-guns-hit-sydney-streets-in-record-numbers/story-fni0cx12-1227581151383

www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/04/04/australian-motorcycle-gang-diy-firearms-surface/

There are more articles but all of them say about the same shit.

Not nearly causing an issue as big as Australia had before gun control.

Seeing as Australia's gun homicide rate has fallen to ~0.1 and the US has rate of ~3.5 (on phone, but this is easily verifiable) I'm gonna guess it's not nearly at the same scale as usage of real guns. The only stat I could find on how many guns were homemade was "10%" from a non reputable site.
You don't really get what I'm saying. I'm not saying people aren't going to make homemade guns, or even that a mass production would be attempted, I'm saying they would not have nearly the same impact as the guns that are freely available. There is, at present, no evidence that home made firearms can produce gun homicide rates to the same degree as pre-gun control levels, or even that they can outnumber the amount of illegally owned guns (that may or may not be true in the future).
Australia saw a massive drop in gun homicide rates that can only be attributed to their gun control laws. If the home-made guns problem becomes so large that gun ownership returns to pre-gun control levels and gun homicide rates raise that high as well, I would concede that the bigger issue is their out control criminal population.

If you firmly believe that gun control will not solve the issue of frequent mass shootings, and that limiting the access to deadly firearms will not lower the body count, despite the evidence, then what is the solution?

Gun crime armed robberies and other acts involving a gun, not just having one in Australia went up after the ban and it took years for their gun deaths to go down. But their intentional homicide rate stayed about the same.

I'm on mobile right now other wise I would cite my claims.

You're right, my bad, I had my figures mixed up. The number of mass shootings dropped significantly but the actual homicide rate was already beginning a downward trend due to other security measures like the NHMP. While it doesn't prove that home-made guns are a massive issue, because they make up a small percentage of guns in circulation, it does prove that gun control itself is not an all-in-one solution, although I do believe it has had a strong long term effect. Gun crime likely continued because of the number of guns that remained in circulation, but it has gone down overall, save for a couple anomaly years.
Looking more into the statistics, even though Aus saw a drop in their firearm related homicides, they already had a much lower rate of homicide than the US, like incredibly lower. Banning firearms would not immediately solve the issue, and would take many many years to take those guns out of circulation, assuming the police could remove them faster than gangs could smuggle them in. There is a wealth of other issues in the US, and while I do firmly believe that in the long term that limiting access will be beneficial, in the meantime other solutions need to be provided.

www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html

That's why I say that it isn't a gun problem with the US.. We just have shitty people in a country who doesn't have the resources to better them.

We have so many problems here that the US doesn't like to admit that are factors in crime and homicide in general.

I think the trend of people who don't live criminal lifestyles and aren't involved with or associate with criminals, but get involved with mass shootings is a problem of accessibility.
Besides that, I don't feel that gun advocates in the US, specifically the Republican party and the NRA, do nearly enough for all the other reasons they blame. You'd think that they'd be pioneering those advancements in mental health or in sponsoring single parents in poor neighbourhoods, right?

Making a gun is much harder than making drugs. The average joe can follow an ingredient list and make some drugs. I meant they won't be crystal blue but they'll be drugs. In fact a huge problem with drugs is that people who don't really know what they're doing make shitty drugs that are laced with other shit but people buy it anyways not knowing for sure what they're taking. Getting access to a machine shop is also much harder than going in your kitchen and using household supplies.

An expert wood worker can make a musket, and a master machinist might be able to make a quality handgun, and someone whose extensively trained might be able to make an AR, but there's only so many people skilled enough, and a tiny percentage of them would be pumping out guns at a very slow rate, compared to drugs where you have everyone skilled enough and that same tiny percentage.

Youtube.com/watch?v=aQsp7vz4Cyc

Countries who've imposed strict gun laws haven't seen an outbreak of homemade guns that creates a significant increase in gun violence that is even somewhat proportional to gun violence without those laws.

Not to mention, it's home made with tools and parts not everyone owns and skills not everyone has. You're going to have to at least own some power tools, and some machine tools if you don't want to carve the stock out with a knife, and even then it won't be exactly fast. I said you could make a musket if you know you're an expert woodworker, you can make this shotgun as well but we can downgrade expert to knowledgeable. What I said about the rate of production still stands.

Despite that, saying people can make their own guns isn't statistically proven to drastically effect gun violence in countries with different gun laws, so despite the elements of logic that are present in your theory, it does not have a basis in reality at the moment, unless we're talking about any militias with access to a huge work force or a factory. In Canada, a country extremely similar in culture to America (except we're less angry), we have gun violence and guns are somewhat accessible, but they're not by any means as easy to get as in some States; we have lower gun homicide rates, much much lower, and we also don't have an outbreak of home-made guns. Neither does that happen in Australia, after USA-style mass shootings forced them to enact strict gun laws, they saw a decrease in gun violence but no increase in home made guns. Production rates and accessibility are what separate them from drug usage, and what would prevent home-made guns from creating as big of an issue as guns sold en masse.

Can you provide a source for home-made guns being an enormous problem in a G8/G20 country that has imposed strict gun Laws?

Australia biker gangs like to sell them for relatively cheap,

dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/deadly-diy-homemade-guns-hit-sydney-streets-in-record-numbers/story-fni0cx12-1227581151383

www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/04/04/australian-motorcycle-gang-diy-firearms-surface/

There are more articles but all of them say about the same shit.

Not nearly causing an issue as big as Australia had before gun control.

Seeing as Australia's gun homicide rate has fallen to ~0.1 and the US has rate of ~3.5 (on phone, but this is easily verifiable) I'm gonna guess it's not nearly at the same scale as usage of real guns. The only stat I could find on how many guns were homemade was "10%" from a non reputable site.
You don't really get what I'm saying. I'm not saying people aren't going to make homemade guns, or even that a mass production would be attempted, I'm saying they would not have nearly the same impact as the guns that are freely available. There is, at present, no evidence that home made firearms can produce gun homicide rates to the same degree as pre-gun control levels, or even that they can outnumber the amount of illegally owned guns (that may or may not be true in the future).
Australia saw a massive drop in gun homicide rates that can only be attributed to their gun control laws. If the home-made guns problem becomes so large that gun ownership returns to pre-gun control levels and gun homicide rates raise that high as well, I would concede that the bigger issue is their out control criminal population.

If you firmly believe that gun control will not solve the issue of frequent mass shootings, and that limiting the access to deadly firearms will not lower the body count, despite the evidence, then what is the solution?

Gun crime armed robberies and other acts involving a gun, not just having one in Australia went up after the ban and it took years for their gun deaths to go down. But their intentional homicide rate stayed about the same.

I'm on mobile right now other wise I would cite my claims.

You're right, my bad, I had my figures mixed up. The number of mass shootings dropped significantly but the actual homicide rate was already beginning a downward trend due to other security measures like the NHMP. While it doesn't prove that home-made guns are a massive issue, because they make up a small percentage of guns in circulation, it does prove that gun control itself is not an all-in-one solution, although I do believe it has had a strong long term effect. Gun crime likely continued because of the number of guns that remained in circulation, but it has gone down overall, save for a couple anomaly years.
Looking more into the statistics, even though Aus saw a drop in their firearm related homicides, they already had a much lower rate of homicide than the US, like incredibly lower. Banning firearms would not immediately solve the issue, and would take many many years to take those guns out of circulation, assuming the police could remove them faster than gangs could smuggle them in. There is a wealth of other issues in the US, and while I do firmly believe that in the long term that limiting access will be beneficial, in the meantime other solutions need to be provided.

www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html

That's why I say that it isn't a gun problem with the US.. We just have shitty people in a country who doesn't have the resources to better them.

We have so many problems here that the US doesn't like to admit that are factors in crime and homicide in general.

I think the trend of people who don't live criminal lifestyles and aren't involved with or associate with criminals, but get involved with mass shootings is a problem of accessibility.
Besides that, I don't feel that gun advocates in the US, specifically the Republican party and the NRA, do nearly enough for all the other reasons they blame. You'd think that they'd be pioneering those advancements in mental health or in sponsoring single parents in poor neighbourhoods, right?

Do you have to take tests aswell to prove you know how to handle it or is it just simply show up and stay for a while and you can have one.

I know, isn't it crazy? You wouldn't download a car right?

Seriously though, it's kind of common sense that people who want to get guns illegally or use them for evil means will have an easier time doing it with more guns in circulation and with guns easier to get somewhere else in the country

Drugs aren't made readily available to anyone in the country, but anyone can buy them... Or make them.

It takes $10 worth of material to make a shot gun and we already have a big problem with guns being smuggled into the country by Mexicans and Cubans. Taking them away from people is stupid, there are more ways Grant you, they are harder to achieve to stop gun crime in the US.

Making a gun is much harder than making drugs. The average joe can follow an ingredient list and make some drugs. I meant they won't be crystal blue but they'll be drugs. In fact a huge problem with drugs is that people who don't really know what they're doing make shitty drugs that are laced with other shit but people buy it anyways not knowing for sure what they're taking. Getting access to a machine shop is also much harder than going in your kitchen and using household supplies.

An expert wood worker can make a musket, and a master machinist might be able to make a quality handgun, and someone whose extensively trained might be able to make an AR, but there's only so many people skilled enough, and a tiny percentage of them would be pumping out guns at a very slow rate, compared to drugs where you have everyone skilled enough and that same tiny percentage.

Youtube.com/watch?v=aQsp7vz4Cyc

Countries who've imposed strict gun laws haven't seen an outbreak of homemade guns that creates a significant increase in gun violence that is even somewhat proportional to gun violence without those laws.

Not to mention, it's home made with tools and parts not everyone owns and skills not everyone has. You're going to have to at least own some power tools, and some machine tools if you don't want to carve the stock out with a knife, and even then it won't be exactly fast. I said you could make a musket if you know you're an expert woodworker, you can make this shotgun as well but we can downgrade expert to knowledgeable. What I said about the rate of production still stands.

Despite that, saying people can make their own guns isn't statistically proven to drastically effect gun violence in countries with different gun laws, so despite the elements of logic that are present in your theory, it does not have a basis in reality at the moment, unless we're talking about any militias with access to a huge work force or a factory. In Canada, a country extremely similar in culture to America (except we're less angry), we have gun violence and guns are somewhat accessible, but they're not by any means as easy to get as in some States; we have lower gun homicide rates, much much lower, and we also don't have an outbreak of home-made guns. Neither does that happen in Australia, after USA-style mass shootings forced them to enact strict gun laws, they saw a decrease in gun violence but no increase in home made guns. Production rates and accessibility are what separate them from drug usage, and what would prevent home-made guns from creating as big of an issue as guns sold en masse.

Can you provide a source for home-made guns being an enormous problem in a G8/G20 country that has imposed strict gun Laws?

Australia biker gangs like to sell them for relatively cheap,

dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/deadly-diy-homemade-guns-hit-sydney-streets-in-record-numbers/story-fni0cx12-1227581151383

www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/04/04/australian-motorcycle-gang-diy-firearms-surface/

There are more articles but all of them say about the same shit.

Not nearly causing an issue as big as Australia had before gun control.

Seeing as Australia's gun homicide rate has fallen to ~0.1 and the US has rate of ~3.5 (on phone, but this is easily verifiable) I'm gonna guess it's not nearly at the same scale as usage of real guns. The only stat I could find on how many guns were homemade was "10%" from a non reputable site.
You don't really get what I'm saying. I'm not saying people aren't going to make homemade guns, or even that a mass production would be attempted, I'm saying they would not have nearly the same impact as the guns that are freely available. There is, at present, no evidence that home made firearms can produce gun homicide rates to the same degree as pre-gun control levels, or even that they can outnumber the amount of illegally owned guns (that may or may not be true in the future).
Australia saw a massive drop in gun homicide rates that can only be attributed to their gun control laws. If the home-made guns problem becomes so large that gun ownership returns to pre-gun control levels and gun homicide rates raise that high as well, I would concede that the bigger issue is their out control criminal population.

If you firmly believe that gun control will not solve the issue of frequent mass shootings, and that limiting the access to deadly firearms will not lower the body count, despite the evidence, then what is the solution?

Gun crime armed robberies and other acts involving a gun, not just having one in Australia went up after the ban and it took years for their gun deaths to go down. But their intentional homicide rate stayed about the same.

I'm on mobile right now other wise I would cite my claims.

You're right, my bad, I had my figures mixed up. The number of mass shootings dropped significantly but the actual homicide rate was already beginning a downward trend due to other security measures like the NHMP. While it doesn't prove that home-made guns are a massive issue, because they make up a small percentage of guns in circulation, it does prove that gun control itself is not an all-in-one solution, although I do believe it has had a strong long term effect. Gun crime likely continued because of the number of guns that remained in circulation, but it has gone down overall, save for a couple anomaly years.
Looking more into the statistics, even though Aus saw a drop in their firearm related homicides, they already had a much lower rate of homicide than the US, like incredibly lower. Banning firearms would not immediately solve the issue, and would take many many years to take those guns out of circulation, assuming the police could remove them faster than gangs could smuggle them in. There is a wealth of other issues in the US, and while I do firmly believe that in the long term that limiting access will be beneficial, in the meantime other solutions need to be provided.

www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html

That's why I say that it isn't a gun problem with the US.. We just have shitty people in a country who doesn't have the resources to better them.

We have so many problems here that the US doesn't like to admit that are factors in crime and homicide in general.

I think the trend of people who don't live criminal lifestyles and aren't involved with or associate with criminals, but get involved with mass shootings is a problem of accessibility.
Besides that, I don't feel that gun advocates in the US, specifically the Republican party and the NRA, do nearly enough for all the other reasons they blame. You'd think that they'd be pioneering those advancements in mental health or in sponsoring single parents in poor neighbourhoods, right?

If criminal justice taught me anything crime also occurs less in colder climates. That is a reason why death penalty is backed more in hotter states
If Sweden became a desert then the sand in their ass would probably make them more violent.

That's the spirit.

no, you gotta earn it

how would one go about earning your appovr abuse?

How does one earn the glory of admin abuse, oh wise one?

I'll cock slap you with my mother's tranny cock if you say that shit again to me.

That's the spirit.

Not really
This is literally the gun version of that wage gap thing

no other factors even referred to

This says next to nothing
At best it says that the united states is somewhat unique in it's set-up

remind me never to go to honduras

See that line in there? That line shows that more guns in a country actually mean less homicides.

Not really
This is literally the gun version of that wage gap thing

no other factors even referred to

This says next to nothing
At best it says that the united states is somewhat unique in it's set-up

yeah that doesnt help

replied to the wrong comment.

>>#103

Out of every country in this planet, Sweden is ranked 9th on how many guns are inside of their country.

And if I pointed out that over 75% of all shooting deaths are criminal/gang related, another 8% are suicides and hunting accidents, 6% are from police and less than 1% are people who own their guns legally using the guns illegally.

But sure, that situation would have been much better of the 10 nutjobs had access to guns instead of knives.

yeah but at least I would be able to do more than beg them not to kill me.

That was done by 10 fully grown men, not a kid in high-school.

Thank you

isis take credit yet?

Nah, the guys have families here and shit. Went to college here and all that.

And yes. I said retards. I'd say that word if they haven't had a tragedy, why should I censor myself now?