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#158 - Y'know, if it weren't for getting fired, I would too. Mayb…  [+] (4 replies) 12/09/2012 on olive garden 0
#161 - ieagle (12/09/2012) [-]
or (more than likely) somebody changed their name to olive garden and put that picture up.
#170 - barehype (12/09/2012) [-]
That would take longer than a minute
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#167 - Screenshotman (12/09/2012) [-]
I have no idea why I didn't think of that.
#168 - ieagle (12/09/2012) [-]
#33 - what do you want the dog for? just a pet or a working/hunting …  [+] (48 replies) 12/06/2012 on tittle 0
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#36 - defeats (12/06/2012) [-]
Pet dog, but a breed that is big, strong, intelligent, curious, active, a dog I could take on walks and runs up mountains around where I live, and house.
Not really into toy dogs myself, also one that has a fine, sleek, not-to-often shedding coat.
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#59 - thedramallama (12/07/2012) [-]
Yikes, didn't see this comment when I posted earlier! German shepherds shed constantly and blow their coat twice a year, these are some of the worst shedders you'll ever find!
#63 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
No they aren't. I promise.
Picture related, it's my dog.
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#65 - thedramallama (12/07/2012) [-]
Oh yeah, those double coated breeds will do that! :p I saw a video about a woman who spins her dog's fur into clothes. You might have enough for a shirt or something there! lol
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#70 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
I know about that actually, but...are you kidding? That's from ONE hour of ONE brushing. When he's blowing his coat, I get that at least once a day for a month or so, which happens in the spring and fall. I honestly have no clue how on earth they don't go completely bald from losing it all, but it's just endless.
I would know; I have three huskies. I could have made a few hundred dog hair accessories by now if I wanted to, and if it didn't cost hundreds of dollars for one tiny coin purse.

I honestly prefer it, though, because the rest of the year is very minimal shedding, and it's always soft and cottony undercoat, not those stiff guard hairs like you find in labradors, beagles, or basically any other flat-coated breed. I'd pick my super-shedders any day, over porcupine-quill needle hairs that dig into every piece of fabric and carpet you own.
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#73 - thedramallama (12/07/2012) [-]
I know what you mean :) I didn't realize it took so much for so little, but it makes sense. My german shepherd isn't that bad, as long as I keep up on brushing him. If I brush him outside every other day or so it only takes about 10 minutes and the hair in the house is actually very manageable
#85 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
I brush my huskies for two months out of the year, when they blow their coats. You can brush them any time of course, but you usually only get one measly handful of hair any time they're not shedding. It's usually easier to pluck them first when they shed, since he fur falls out in huge clumps. They love it.

If you want a beautiful husky without all of the fur, go for a short-haired husky. This is my smooth/flat-coated female, who has the soft husky fur, but in a much shorter length. Not as cold-tolerant, but much easier to brush.
When she blows her coat, she mostly only loses the fur from her flanks and some around her neck, maybe a few handfuls per brushing compared to an entire garbage bag full like her father (pictured above with all of his hair).

Do your research before ever considering one, though; they are amazing dogs, but the shedding is FAR from their only trait that can be difficult to deal with.
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#92 - thedramallama (12/07/2012) [-]
My boyfriend's aunt had one, she said it was very loud, tore up her yard, and got out of every fence she put up. I wouldn't mind getting one after my shepherd grows up a bit more, he's taking up most of my time at the moment.
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#99 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
Yeah, no offense but it was sheer ignorance to trust a fence to hold a husky anyway. They are very social dogs who crave companionship -- though they do love the outdoors and they can withstand very cold temperatures, they are NOT good outside dogs because they will be isolated from their human family members, which is torture for them.

They WILL be lonely and miserable and they will do everything they can to get loose. Even a happy husky left unattended will be driven by the urge to explore, and they can hop six foot tall fences with grace and dig under them in a matter of minutes.

Any fence expected to hold them has to be specially built. There are ways to do it, but you're much better off just supervising your dog whenever it is outside -- that's what I do to mine and I don't have any problems.

Once they do get loose, you often won't find them. Even if they don't get hurt or killed, hit by cars, attacked by other animals or cruel people or just shot dead in a field for looking too much like a wolf, they are true runners.

An annual dog sled race is held every year where hundreds of teams of dogs run 1100 miles in just nine days, so you if they DO get out, you will NOT find your dog waiting for you on the porch when you get home like an obedient labrador.

If you're lucky, you might find them a few counties or even states away, if they live that long on their own with all the dangers of a modern world, and if you find them at all.

Obviously, if you're looking for an off-leash dog whom you can trust with commands alone, a husky or malamute is NOT the right breed.
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#104 - thedramallama (12/07/2012) [-]
Definitely, I don't even allow my shepherd to be off leash outside of my fenced-in yard, and he only goes in the backyard for 5-10 minutes at a time, and I always stand out there with him. I do that because I'm afraid he'll jump the fence or someone will steal him, or something. And my dog hates to spend even a minute alone, he gets stressed when he can't keep an eye on everyone lol
#110 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
Some would call you overprotective or too controlling, but I strongly admire you for your devotion and vigilance.
I'm glad you're a responsible owner who genuinely cares about the wellbeing of your dog, because you're absolutely right, he could very easily get out of the yard or even be stolen to be resold or used as a breeder to make money, or worse, a bait dog. Horrible, but it can and does happen.

We have a yard with a six foot fence, but I never leave mine alone because I've seen them sail over a six foot barrier with nothing but a good run, and anything else can be hopped over with no effort whatsoever.
Fortunately, mine never have any inclination to get out when I'm out there with them.

Besides, there's nothing they need to do out there that they can't do while I'm watching them and making sure they're safe.
If that means occasionally waiting out there while my goofballs chase each other and slide around in the mud for an hour and need to be hosed off before they can come in, well, that's just part of being a dog owner.
#121 - thedramallama (12/07/2012) [-]
I've been called overprotective before :p In fact I get told pretty much daily that I "baby" my dog and he's spoiled rotten and all that, but I just think that since I like having him around so much, I should do all I can to keep him around. And even if he's as spoiled as they say, he still listens to me and nowadays I barely have to give him verbal commands I just use my hands.

This is him, by the way, he'll be one year old on valentine's day :D
#127 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
..Heh. Wow. That sure brings back some memories. He looks too much like my first GSD mix, whom I had when I was seven. Your boy is a beautiful dog. I'm more a fan of the working line shepherds now, but this was my girl. It amuses me to see that neither of them ever grew into those ears.
#129 - thedramallama (12/07/2012) [-]
I know!! Those ears!!!! I thought they'd never stand up. He's still a little leggy, too. They do look just alike! She's very pretty. How can you tell working lines from show lines? I've always kind of wondered what type mine is, it's hard to tell from the examples I've seen online.

Here's his ears when he was still just a little guy and could barely hold them up lol
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#135 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
That's so weird, your other comment doesn't have a Reply button. I hope it's okay if I respond here.

Yes, of course there are physical differences between the lines.
Even comparing your boy to the sable working-line shepherd I posted above shows countless differences. Nothing alike, but she's still purebred and kennel club registered.

When it comes down to it, there are thousands of variations within every single breed, and that's just the purebreds taken into account, not others who have crossed them out with other dogs to alter or improve the breed.

Of course, each kennel club has its own specific standard (which changes all the time) of what they personally think that the dog "should" be, and every kennel club is different -- AKC, UKC, NKC and so on.

In my personal opinion (and anyone is more than entitled to disagree), I find it very unfortunate when their "breed standards" sacrifice the dogs' health, longevity or quality of life, just to make them look a certain way; especially when that dog is not kept "true to the original" as they so often claim (another example is to google 'first doberman' -- you wouldn't recognize it as a doberman today!) and more often than not, they encourage breeding bad traits.

The modern shepherd's horrible hip and joint problem is a prime example of this, where the dog is, for whatever insane reason, bred to look like its hindquarters slope downward so intensely that it has a permanent posture of "I'm about to take a shit on your rug". Even those who are not dysplastic still often have crippling problems throughout their entire lives.

For this reason, I have never personally owned a "purebred" dog, but rather, I go for a dog whose lines have had good temperaments and no health problems in the last several generations at least.

As for animal planet, even "Dogs 101" said Chihuahuas were bred with Fennec Foxes, and that's genetically impossible because they're not even the same genus (canis lupus familiaris vs. vulpes zerda).
#130 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
Working variety is generally what they're bred to do, such as herding and/or livestock guarding, schutzhund/personal protection, even drug or bomb detection. Most of the modern GSDs couldn't do half of what they were bred for, sadly; by "improving" the breed, they mostly just inbred the hell out of it and made the joints very weak and prone to genetic weaknesses, which is a huge disappointment. Google "first german shepherd" and you might be amazed.
These two even look alike as juveniles. This is that dog at about six months old when we got her.
#131 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
And this is the mother of my current german shepherd, a working variety Sable (notice the drastically different body type) from the original German war dog lines. If you look up the first german shepherds, she looks quite accurate to them.
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#133 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
Much more wolflike face, in comparison to the modern-day kennel club "breed standard" german shepherd dog. After all, a hundred years ago, the german shepherd was just a wolfdog.
#134 - thedramallama (12/07/2012) [-]
Awwww.... mine makes that face all the time! Ok, so there's no physical difference? Because that's what it seemed like people were talking about with german and american and czech lines or something like that... I do remember reading that american show lines are different in the back, seems like they bred them to look like frogs or something. And I have noticed the difference between shepherds now and then, I saw pictures of the first "real" german shepherd and they look practically nothing like what I see now, even the shepherds in WWII look different than some of the champion dogs I've seen pictures of.

I watched a show that said that shepherds weren't originally bred with wolves, then some were, but the dogs weren't stable and they stopped crossing them with wolves. But then again, that wouldn't be the first time Animal Planet was a bit off with their information... :p

<-- Mr. Eko the first day we got him :)
#64 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
And if you think that's bad, imagine THIS one...
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#61 - defeats (12/07/2012) [-]
Dang, I guess having owned cats I didn't realise how often dogs shed, I suppose it'll be a learning curve.
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#68 - thedramallama (12/07/2012) [-]
If you want something that sheds as little as possible, you need a dog that has hair, not fur. Like poodles, yorkshire terrriers, shi tzus, and cocker spaniels.
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#71 - defeats (12/07/2012) [-]
The dog breeds I like really are fur dogs, I suppose grooming isn't something I had taken into much consideration, but I think I could work it out, we all have to start somewhere.

How often do you have to brush your dog per week? And how long does each session take?
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#75 - thedramallama (12/07/2012) [-]
I brush him two or three times a week and it takes about 10-15 minutes each time. I do that outside and that keeps the hair inside to a minimum, but that's for a dog that sheds fairly heavily, if you got a doberman I'd think once a week brushing would be fine.
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#77 - defeats (12/07/2012) [-]
Awesome, two to three times a week for 15 minutes sounds quite al right actually.
I'm wondering too about bathing, obviously cats are fairly impossible to bath, not that you need to as often as I expect dogs need it, what sort of routine do you have regarding that?
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#79 - thedramallama (12/07/2012) [-]
I give my dog a bath once a month, sometimes longer if he's not too stinky. If they are bathed too often you'll dry out their skin and the oils in their fur, so they don't need very many baths at all. Most dogs I've had tolerated bathing pretty well. :)
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#90 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
Actually, once a month is pretty vigorous. You're absolutely right; over-washing can be much more harmful. Their coats can become damaged and actually make them smell worse, because the natural, healthy oils in their skin and fur are fighting to replenish themselves. I only wash my dogs about once or twice a year, and rinse them without soap if they get dirty or muddy when necessary. Super healthy, shiny coats and mine never have any odor, not even if you snuggle your face against their fur and smell them. I use them as pillows sometimes.
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#96 - thedramallama (12/07/2012) [-]
Dogs make the best pillows!!
#100 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
My kitty agrees!
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#87 - defeats (12/07/2012) [-]
I'll add that I would not be mountaineering in days with 40+°C, as a Scottish person, I'd likely fry.
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#86 - defeats (12/07/2012) [-]
Good stuff, I hear they're very high energy and strong dogs, would they enjoy and benefit from very long walks up and around mountains etc? I think they would, but I also walk during the heights of summer, and I currently live in the south west of France, and it can get very hot (49°C was the peak last summer) it's generally around 30-35°C during sunny summer days.
So how do they cope with the heat? I know some dogs fur helps keep them cool as well as warm, but I don't know about all breeds.
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#94 - thedramallama (12/07/2012) [-]
That I'm not very sure about, but my shepherd doesn't take heat so well.
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#98 - defeats (12/07/2012) [-]
Neither do I, really, which means that on hot days the extent of my own exercise will be limited during the hottest hours.
With regards to cooling dogs down, can they cool down from just drinking water, or do that have to rest?

Before I ever get a dog I'll consult a vet etc as to which breed would be best, and it won't be for some time. For now I'm just curious.
#102 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
Most dogs, even cold-tolerant breeds like huskies and malamutes, usually do well as long as they have plentiful shade and water, when outdoors in hot climates. Shepherds are the same, but obviously a cool house would be strongly preferable.

As for exercising, it's best to avoid doing that in the heat of the day; early mornings and evenings are ideal.

Be careful with letting your dog drink quickly or excessively before, during or after exercising, it can cause pancreatitis and bloat, which are often fatal, especially in larger breeds like these.

It's best to let them rest for a while (at least half an hour or so) before offering water. Bloat is one of the top causes of death for dogs, but sadly one of the least well-known.
Picture related, it's my husky mix on an urban mushing outing.
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#105 - defeats (12/07/2012) [-]
Early mornings and evenings I could do, and houses here are made to be cool during the summer, so we shouldn't have much issue there.
And rest before drinking, noted!

How long have you been looking after dogs? And do you do it as a profession or just an enthusiast?
#112 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
Also, you have my utmost respect for researching dogs before getting one of your own.
Most cannot say the same, and often times, the poor dog is the one who winds up in an unfortunate position due to a poorly-prepared owner who wasn't ready to take on such responsibility.
I wish there were more people like you in the world.
Enjoy my Siberian Shepherd puppy as my thanks. <3
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#116 - defeats (12/07/2012) [-]
Thanks man, and that is a cute pup, really nice eyes.
And yeah, research is going to be my main focus when it's time for me to finally choose a dog breed, I think it's great that people want to have a pet dog, but I know many dog owners who are not equipped for their pets.
One such family (and this put me off of German Shepherds for a long time) had two German Shepherds, which they had raised from puppies, I think the second was the offspring of their first. The problem was the dogs were poorly trained and were often quite aggressive towards strangers, I'm fairly sure there was an instance when first the dog bit someone. After that, the dogs were kept in the utility room most of the day, and they would bark constantly when they had visitors.

I've also been wondering about adopting, I've never been to the places where they keep rescued or abandoned dogs (I don't even know what those places are called), I'm wondering if these dogs can bond to you as strongly as one raised from a pup, and are there times when you adopt a rescued dog and they have problems? (temperament wise)
#128 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
Again, not going to lie; german shepherds are the number one dogs who get reported for biting humans, outranking breeds such as pit bulls by miles, although those get more negative publicity for it.
They are versatile dogs who have no qualms about using those teeth on someone if they feel the need to; it could save your life or it could gore you up pretty badly if that drive is not properly curbed and directed.
Of course, the major biters like small breeds don't actually get reported for it, so it would be better stated that they are "the number one large-breed people-biter". I myself was bitten by a GSD.

It's a shame that happened, but I can't say it was bad that they kept the dog separated. After the aggression has escalated like that, even a professional trainer may not be able to reverse long-term behaviors like that. They're just lucky the dog wasn't confiscated or put down for their failure to properly socialize it.

Concerning rescue dogs, they absolutely can bond with you as well as a puppy -- sometimes more so.
However, there's the sad truth that, with abuse comes trauma, and with unknown pasts comes issues such as bad experiences, poor socialization and many other issues.

You may expect a rescue dog to shower you in appreciation, and it may be a forever skittish dog who shakes and cowers in the corner, wets itself and/or growls at you when you approach it, snaps at you over its food or toys, and takes months, if not years to come out of any of that.

I've rescued a dog who was obviously beaten without mercy, and if you as much as picked up an item like a stick to play fetch, she would bristle up, tuck her tail and bark at you (this was the GSD who bit me).

But, because a pampered puppy has never had to go through the hardships of neglect or abuse, and many will attest that a rescue dog can often times be eternally grateful and grow to be the most loyal companion ever, with a bit of love and care.

So, again, it really does vary with the individual.
#111 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
Just an enthusiast. My family has had dogs since I was a baby (including a low-content wolfdog and a 110 pound rottweiler / doberman gentle giant whom I used as a stepping stool to get into my bed).
I've studied and researched canine behavior and psychology for over a decade now, with huskies, malamutes, shepherds and wolfdogs being my favorites.

I've owned huskies and low-content wolfdogs for going on six years now, and I started with a half-husky mix when I was twelve years old.
We live in California where 110 degree summers are perfectly normal, and with nordic breeds made for subzero temperatures, I know a thing or two about dogs and high temperatures.

It gets so hot here that I don't even run my dogs in the summer, because the exertion can put them at risk for heat stroke.
I bought a cheap $10 treadmill and mine love it, they can get rid of that hyperactivity and energy without roasting and they adjusted to it very quickly. Also works great for when it's pouring down rain. Not as good as a walk, but it works.

As much as they love exercise, they hardly want to go outside when it's hot. I let them out and they do their business and they're already back at the door, trying to get me to take them back inside.
Not all are like that, though; some will eagerly run until they drop, so don't expect them to know their own limits..or obey them, even if they do.

If you're into shepherds I wouldn't necessarily suggest it due to being genetically prone to hip and joint problems, but urban mushing is a passion of mine, for my huskies.
I have three of them and by far the easiest and most enjoyable way to wear them out is to harness them up and hook them up to a scooter.
They even make snowless rigs, or "dirt sleds", for your dog to pull you. Bikes are inadvisable without the proper equipment, and rollerblades or in-line skates are just accidents waiting to happen, but there are safer ways to do it.
Here's a photo of two of mine when my younger girl was still in training.
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#113 - defeats (12/07/2012) [-]
Thanks for the info, dude.
And it's great that you got brought up in a household with dogs, I wish I had dogs growing up, but my parents aren't particularly dog people, my dad owned a brown Doberman when he was in his early twenties, so he has suggested them as a breed. My two favourite breeds are Doberman and German Shepherds, the hip and joint problems do put me off quite a bit though.

Would you recommend a doberman, or what breed of dogs would you recommend, I'm very active physically, and one of the reasons I'd like a dog is to take with me when I exercise.
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#117 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
Not a problem at all. You're welcome to contact me any time you have questions, I'm always happy to help and talk about animals. I even have instant messengers if you'd prefer for quicker responses.

I've known a few dobermans in person. With the right training, they are often very pack-oriented dogs who are very devoted to their families. I like them.

Training is an absolute must, because you don't want that drive redirected onto you if the dog is particularly stubborn or dominant; nip bad behaviors in the bud early so they don't escalate to aggression later.
It might be kind of cute or funny when that puppy growls at strangers or guards his toy from you when he's the side of a football, but when he's a seventy pound dog and he snaps at you or someone else, it's much less appealing, not to mention ten times harder to break.

Like most purebreds, they are not devoid of health problems, so make sure you're prepared.
As for purchasing any purebred dog, ALWAYS buy from a reputable breeder, and make absolutely sure that the parents are health checked. This means tests done; for example, shepherds should always have their hips and elbows examined and given a passing grade before being bred, to better ensure that the pups will not be subjected to bad joints.

Buying from a good breeder WILL cost you more, but it could very likely save you thousands of dollars in vet appointments, surgeries, and heartache with your new companion.
Don't go for the breeder who only brags about how good-looking their dogs are, or how many kennel clubs they're registered in; you want to see healthy, happy, good-natured dogs (not neglected puppy machines who are just used for their owners to make a quick dollar), because the parents will of course have a huge impact on the pup.

Just about any dog can make a great companion, if you're devoted enough and if your lifestyle can accommodate one; not just for now, but for the ten, fifteen or even twenty or more years that they will spend with you.
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#118 - defeats (12/07/2012) [-]
Thank you dude, you are a great help.
That's one daunting thing for me, is the prospect of finding good breeders.
And as far as breed goes, personally I'm not after "pure bred perfection" that some people want, I'd like a nice dog, and I've heard many arguments that mixed breed dogs are generally healthier.
Do you recommend pure breeds or mixed? I know some people are either/or and some are happy with both, but from what I gather you have a lot of experience with mixed breeds, and if it's true that they can avoid many health dilemmas then it would be worth consideration.
#125 - Dember (12/07/2012) [-]
Again, not a problem.

When it comes to breeders, I strongly advise that you do not settle, and don't ever be in a rush. You're going to pick out a new family member, and the next decade or two of your life (and theirs) isn't something that should be taken lightly.

You may "ooh" and "aah" at the adorable puppies, and rightfully so; but do you really want one if the mother has her tail tucked, cowering in the corner or worse, growling at you? That could be the exact behavioral issue you're looking at in about a year or so with the pup you bring home.

As for health, just make sure the breeder is well recommended by others who have adopted pups from them, and insist upon seeing vet records and health tests where applicable. If a breeder refuses any of that, you can be assured that they're not who you want to give your money to in the first place. That's about the best you can do, since the dog's actual health is still a very individual thing, of course.

As for the age-old "purebreds vs. mixed breeds", it could go on for hours. When it comes to health, the most accurate conclusion is that it is nowhere near as simple as "purebreds are healthier than mixed breeds" or vice-versa. It's often said that mutts are healthier, which is true to an extent; their health problems are nowhere near as predictable, because you often don't know what you're getting. You're also mixing up the DNA, so for example, a boxer (which is highly prone to cancer due to excessive inbreeding, a whopping fifty percent will usually get some form of it in their lifetime) is going to be a lot more likely to have poor health, even if it's well bred, than even a boxer mix.

This is one more reason I adored my Husky / Shepherd's breeds, because they offset each other well.

Basically: if the parents, grandparents and other ancestors have few, or optimally no health issues, then that dog is more likely to be healthier than another, whether it's been selectively bred and kept to a specific line or not.
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#101 - thedramallama (12/07/2012) [-]
I've heard putting water on their chest and paws helps to cool them down in addition to drinking water, I let mine lay in a kiddie pool during the summer if he's particularly miserable. But I also don't give him much exercise when it's really hot because the heat just sucks all the energy from him and he gets overheated very quickly.
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#103 - defeats (12/07/2012) [-]
Thanks man, it's helpful to know beforehand.
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#106 - thedramallama (12/07/2012) [-]
No problem, it's good to ask questions and really think about it before you get a dog, too many people don't then give the dog up when it's too much. :(
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#42 - Screenshotman (12/06/2012) [-]
Black Labs/Golden Retrievers fit everything except the little-shed. Almost all dogs have a lot of shedding though.

So yeah, a golden or a lab would be good.